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13 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Can you explain that paragraph a bit more?

 

There are a number of great interviews with the top neuroscientists that study this stuff. Free Will is an illusion. If asked for a figure, most of them will give 95% or more....can't help ourselves. Most of our decision making comes from places we have no control over - it would be like willing yourself not to ever toilet or even breathe.

There are a number of ways they test for this. Some might sound strange, but all together they still add up. Examples- and summary of one of the top guys.

Some of it involves using brain scans while providing input. 

One low-tech study used pictures of Women and showed them to 100's of guys and asked them to be rated on how attractive they were. Most all the women were attractive, but there was a slight difference in some of them. That crowd was ovulating. Guess what? The men found the ovulating women more attractive! I'm not sure if they wired up those guys or just used the selection.

So there is a "signal" that none of the men had the free will to ignore. 

" the intentions to take voluntary actions are strongly influenced by events occurring after the execution of the action"

There is a lot of studies you can look up. It's an interesting topic.

One of the top neuroscientists says, in the future, we will not have Courts of Law that attempt to apply equal justice. Rather, we will have an almost perfect measurement of the brain and add that into the mix - not "John did this", but rather "this brain" did that.

We can surely see this already in society - that trauma and many other things play into why people do things we consider "bad". Often these trauma are not the fault - at all - of the person taking the actions

Anyway, maybe a subject for another thread?

*did the Boulder Shooter do what he did because of trauma from the family back in Syria (and the endless wars in Iraq that bleed over)? Was that reinforced by Trump era ultra-racism and hate mongering? I'm not asking the question for now because we obviously are immature as a society...but someday they might ask this. Or, better yet, avoid it. 

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The private sector has embarked on a major campaign to reassure the public that they will not release a vaccine until they are confident it is safe and effective. We can expect a joint statement from

As many of you know I am right of center politically.  I dont think vaccines are a political issue or at least they should not be.  My family are all vaccinated. I tried to think of how I should

You are such a bag of shit wrapped in a thin veneer of pseudo self esteem. You are a walking around killer of strangers free riding on those who got vaccinated. Sponger.

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4 minutes ago, craigiri said:

There are a number of great interviews with the top neuroscientists that study this stuff. Free Will is an illusion. If asked for a figure, most of them will give 95% or more....can't help ourselves. Most of our decision making comes from places we have no control over - it would be like willing yourself not to ever toilet or even breathe.

There are a number of ways they test for this. Some might sound strange, but all together they still add up. Examples- and summary of one of the top guys.

Some of it involves using brain scans while providing input. 

One low-tech study used pictures of Women and showed them to 100's of guys and asked them to be rated on how attractive they were. Most all the women were attractive, but there was a slight difference in some of them. That crowd was ovulating. Guess what? The men found the ovulating women more attractive! I'm not sure if they wired up those guys or just used the selection.

So there is a "signal" that none of the men had the free will to ignore. 

" the intentions to take voluntary actions are strongly influenced by events occurring after the execution of the action"

There is a lot of studies you can look up. It's an interesting topic.

One of the top neuroscientists says, in the future, we will not have Courts of Law that attempt to apply equal justice. Rather, we will have an almost perfect measurement of the brain and add that into the mix - not "John did this", but rather "this brain" did that.

We can surely see this already in society - that trauma and many other things play into why people do things we consider "bad". Often these trauma are not the fault - at all - of the person taking the actions

Anyway, maybe a subject for another thread?

*did the Boulder Shooter do what he did because of trauma from the family back in Syria (and the endless wars in Iraq that bleed over)? Was that reinforced by Trump era ultra-racism and hate mongering? I'm not asking the question for now because we obviously are immature as a society...but someday they might ask this. Or, better yet, avoid it. 

That's all fascinating.  But at the end of the day should society try and protect everyone?  Take it to its extreme - "all good you can eat all the bad food you want and drink all the alcohol you want because society will look after you as you are one of us.  It's not your fault because your free will has been subjugated to the power of corporate advertising." 

 

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6 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

 

Why did I suddenly click with regard to Biochemistry?  For the simple reason that the Professor related the concepts to real life examples that I could understand.  For example - "there are 450 different alcohols in your average Rum.  If you consume one bottle of Rum you convert that alcohol in glycogen and if you don't use it you make fat!"  Excuse me if I have that slightly wrong but it was a few decades ago.

 

One day I read how far a chocolate bar would take me - up steps. Truly amazing. It didn't make me hate on fat people, but rather gave me an appreciation for how efficient this machine is. Amazing!

Listen, we are obviously in a new world - it's only existed for a short time - where we live longer and the Ammonia process and other discoveries have resulted in a vast excess of calories - while, at the same time, mechanization have reduced our need for consuming calories. 

I tend to hold a more futuristic view - as opposed to individual. This is a problem that will be solved by a combination of things. 

I'm sure you have read about concentration camp survivors (military and non-military) who almost killed themselves by eating too much when they got out! In a sense, what we are seeing is a stretched out version of that - and we have to fix society just like we had to moderate the diets of those survivors until their systems caught up. There is already a general tendency toward healthy food starting.

But it remains true that many forces - advertising, marketing, lobbying are being allowed to fatten up those masses - and we have to pay. Capitalism, in a sense, allows for the offloading of costs to others...it's "good business" to take the profits now and leave society to clean up the mess. 

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1 minute ago, Kate short for Bob said:

That's all fascinating.  But at the end of the day should society try and protect everyone?  Take it to its extreme - "all good you can eat all the bad food you want and drink all the alcohol you want because society will look after you as you are one of us.  It's not your fault because your free will has been subjugated to the power of corporate advertising." 

 

In general, if people (leaders, wealthier, etc.) accepted economics they WOULD help everyone because it's much less costly AND it creates more general welfare and happiness.

It's like the ignorance of the US Health Care system - even if we were all healthier our costs would be at least double what they should be. People rally against universal coverage - as if paying MORE for lack of such...or getting worse results, is a good outcome.

So that is the answer. It generally costs less to do it right. Therefore the answer is yes, we should take care of everyone.

That brings us back to the "life" crowd and the people who truly believe that it is the choice of a family to have as many children as they want - some kind of God Given Right. This is not more the case than my right to do my business on the sidewalk. Both might have been fine in the old days but when others have to deal with the result, the calculations change. Economics fixes that also...to an extent. 

We'll never touch these problems as long as Fundie Religion is in power. I mean - it's a heck of a long way from Gold Tablets being found by a Con Man in a cornfield in NY (that only he saw) to the type of leadership and common sense I am pushing for. 

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7 minutes ago, craigiri said:

I'm sure you have read about concentration camp survivors (military and non-military) who almost killed themselves by eating too much when they got out! In a sense, what we are seeing is a stretched out version of that - and we have to fix society just like we had to moderate the diets of those survivors until their systems caught up. There is already a general tendency toward healthy food starting.

But it remains true that many forces - advertising, marketing, lobbying are being allowed to fatten up those masses - and we have to pay. Capitalism, in a sense, allows for the offloading of costs to others...it's "good business" to take the profits now and leave society to clean up the mess. 

I've been through lean times recently.  What surprised me was how much less I could live on and actually feel better.

But then I'm a feast and famine person which is probably deeply ingrained into the human genome.

 

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9 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

I've been through lean times recently.  What surprised me was how much less I could live on and actually feel better.

But then I'm a feast and famine person which is probably deeply ingrained into the human genome.

 

That falls under "programming" which is a great solution for many of our problems. My life was formed at 8 years old when my parents sent me to a primitive Quaker camp. I then spent 3 years of my adulthood in the woods living on a dollar per day per person (1975). If you've been tight then you can probably imagine the level we lived at. That's about $5 a day per person today. 

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7 hours ago, dorydude said:
12 hours ago, Rain Man said:

"Almost" exclusively.  Last time I checked, young people hate the idea of premature death as much as older people.  Adolescent males, on the other hand, like cheating death, so there's that.

The seasonal flu kills young people every year and always has.

"The seasonal flu kills young people every year and always has".

 

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6 hours ago, dorydude said:

 

Just listen to this doctor's testimony in the Texas legislature on TREATMENT of Covid-19:

https://youtu.be/QAHi3lX3oGM

 

Just one quote: "COVID - 19 has always been a treatable sickness"

 

 

 

The doc's point is that we might have been able to avoid some of the hospitalizations and fatalities with intervention prior to the disease becoming severe.   I guess your point in posting this is that the health care system is reactive rather than proactive when it comes to treatment.  This is a valid criticism of almost every health care system.

I think the point the doctor misses is that the world's health care systems aren't set up to handle preventative treatment of covid cases on a large scale.  He talks about some of the therapies available - many of these are expensive, and there is a large portion of the world population without health insurance.  So, if his point is that something could have been done to prevent all the death that has happened, he is right, but his solution isn't practical.  

Perhaps it might have worked in countries like Canada with single-payer universal health care.  

There are other things that could have been done too, like strict lockdowns.   Those may also not have been practical in many places.

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5 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Do a tally up of all the money spent on testing non symptomatic people.  Then re-evaluate "expensive"!

Mikey still on the COVID denial bandwagon?

His family must be hungry.  If he post just a few more he will be able to afford to give his wife her false teeth back so she can eat again.

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6 hours ago, rantro said:

Mikey still on the COVID denial bandwagon?

His family must be hungry.  If he post just a few more he will be able to afford to give his wife her false teeth back so she can eat again.

No wifie...  He is going through the big D...

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Got my 1st Moderna shot last night. Have been on the call up list.  Shot did not hurt. ran a small temp for a bit. slight headache. slightly achy. Feeling better by the hour.  It looks up for summer travel and renewed socialization.

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WARNING DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU ARE PRONE TO PISSING YOUR PANTS

 

 

So the Republicans are responsible for the weather?  

 

 

Maybe Texas was motivated by the 2003 North East blackout affecting 35-40 million people.

 

 

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

 

 

No my post was stating facts. 

How is it a deflection?

 

 

Do you ever allow facts to get in the way?

Can't fix stupid, can't stop it from posting.

 

 

It is Mikey the Unaposter, Expert On Everything (especially trailer-park science)

 

 

Bye bye, Mikey.

 

 

YOU apologists overlook that Texas has had the lowest power charges. 

 

 

Dear Shit Fur Brains, recently revealed Texas has paid $28 billion more since deregulation.

 

 

More than what?

 

 

Um how did that help in 2003?

 

 

That's Mikey all right... superb math skills

 

 

Texas has had higher average rates than 3 of 4 of it's neighbors and isn't that far from the national average.

 

 

So it is better than 25 States at least?

 

 

No, it's the worst. 

 

 

What does it prove?  I'd be really interested to see your cogent analysis.

 

 

Are you suggesting all the residents of the urban areas in TX and FL went camping on the prairie or the everglades?

 

 

So where is the new Ignore button??

 

 

Overall your points are a nonsense and not supported by the actual data nor many studies that have been done. 

 

 

A certain Imperial College model immediately comes to mind when forecasting deaths. 

 

 

Can you please cite that "certain Imperial College model" 

 

 

For hospitalisations/deaths 21-28 days  So your "surge" should be well and truly visible.  It isn't.   

 

 

Daily cases are where they were early Sept - over 3k per day,

I live in Texas..

 

 

So vaccinations are not having an effect yet nor is the continued wearing of masks?

 

 

What counties?  What rate of "increase"?  Wouldn't be imported cases from Mexico would they?

 

 

Since the positivity rate of immigrants coming across the Mexican border is lower than the positivity rate for the general Texas population....

NO

 

 

What Texas counties are increasing and at what rate?

 

 

Backup old boy you missed answering this post.

 

 

What counties Jacko?  Can we see your detailed analysis. 

 

 

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I haven't mentioned the word "counties".

 

 

That wasn't a diversion Jacko.  Classic troll behaviour. 

 

 

That's for bacterial reasons more than viral. 

 

 

An infected person does not exhale free-floating virus.

Fairly basic science BTW

 

 

Now you are getting into a different topic - viral load and the size of exhaled aerosols.    Basic physics.

 

 

Umm, no

It's the exact same thing.

 

 

Steamer the evidence based research shows it didn't make a difference. 

 

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J&J shot done and did.  No real side effects except for the desire to download a new Windows operating system and I'm pretty sure the microchip that was implanted gives out an AIS signal...so I have that going for me...which is nice

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49 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

WARNING DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU ARE PRONE TO PISSING YOUR PANTS

 

 

So the Republicans are responsible for the weather?  

 

 

Maybe Texas was motivated by the 2003 North East blackout affecting 35-40 million people.

 

 

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

 

 

No my post was stating facts. 

How is it a deflection?

 

 

Do you ever allow facts to get in the way?

Can't fix stupid, can't stop it from posting.

 

 

It is Mikey the Unaposter, Expert On Everything (especially trailer-park science)

 

 

Bye bye, Mikey.

 

 

YOU apologists overlook that Texas has had the lowest power charges. 

 

 

Dear Shit Fur Brains, recently revealed Texas has paid $28 billion more since deregulation.

 

 

More than what?

 

 

Um how did that help in 2003?

 

 

That's Mikey all right... superb math skills

 

 

Texas has had higher average rates than 3 of 4 of it's neighbors and isn't that far from the national average.

 

 

So it is better than 25 States at least?

 

 

No, it's the worst. 

 

 

What does it prove?  I'd be really interested to see your cogent analysis.

 

 

Are you suggesting all the residents of the urban areas in TX and FL went camping on the prairie or the everglades?

 

 

So where is the new Ignore button??

 

 

Overall your points are a nonsense and not supported by the actual data nor many studies that have been done. 

 

 

A certain Imperial College model immediately comes to mind when forecasting deaths. 

 

 

Can you please cite that "certain Imperial College model" 

 

 

For hospitalisations/deaths 21-28 days  So your "surge" should be well and truly visible.  It isn't.   

 

 

Daily cases are where they were early Sept - over 3k per day,

I live in Texas..

 

 

So vaccinations are not having an effect yet nor is the continued wearing of masks?

 

 

What counties?  What rate of "increase"?  Wouldn't be imported cases from Mexico would they?

 

 

Since the positivity rate of immigrants coming across the Mexican border is lower than the positivity rate for the general Texas population....

NO

 

 

What Texas counties are increasing and at what rate?

 

 

Backup old boy you missed answering this post.

 

 

What counties Jacko?  Can we see your detailed analysis. 

 

 

What on earth are you smoking, Kate? Screen Shot 2021-03-23 at 9.16.10 PM.png

 

 

I haven't mentioned the word "counties".

 

 

That wasn't a diversion Jacko.  Classic troll behaviour. 

 

 

That's for bacterial reasons more than viral. 

 

 

An infected person does not exhale free-floating virus.

Fairly basic science BTW

 

 

Now you are getting into a different topic - viral load and the size of exhaled aerosols.    Basic physics.

 

 

Umm, no

It's the exact same thing.

 

 

Steamer the evidence based research shows it didn't make a difference. 

 

Geez Jacko that kept you busy for an hour or so!  Although it wouldn't surprise me if you collect posts for your cut and past database.  Yes I am pissing my pants laughing at the extremes you go to to make not one iota of a difference!

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1 hour ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Day 3 after Moderna #1

 

arm pain 90% gone

all other effects gone. 

second round on my birthday

I was told by the pharmacist who gave me the Moderna shot that the second one is the doozy. She said she was knocked out for a full day with full flu symptoms with the second after mild first shot and could not get out of bed. Hydration and tylenol helped she said. 

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On 3/24/2021 at 10:27 PM, dorydude said:

 

Just listen to this doctor's testimony in the Texas legislature on TREATMENT of Covid-19:

https://youtu.be/QAHi3lX3oGM

 

Just one quote: "COVID - 19 has always been a treatable sickness"

 

 

 

Everything is treatable except death,

Whether you survive after treatment or survive in a good condition after treatment, is entirely another matter..

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Welcome to the vaccinated, Clean. Yes, second shot is worse as most everyone attests. Mine knocked me out for one day, my wife for two, my daughter just went rock climbing! Now we are happily socializing and planning summer travel. Life is good. I even managed to lose a few pounds as my shoulder surgery recovery progresses and I'm able to be more active. Might even be able to gently kitesurf at Cape Hatteras by the end of next month. Can't wait to get back to my boat in Panama. Dreaming of kitesurfing in Cape Town in December. Sorry that Kate thinks that's indulgent, but I worked hard for 40+ years post BSc, I'm happy to be a self-indulgent retiree.

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19 hours ago, The Q said:

Everything is treatable except death,

Whether you survive after treatment or survive in a good condition after treatment, is entirely another matter..

Oh, they can treat death, too.

They just can't cure it

- DSK

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My wife and I got our 2nd shots (Pfizer) yesterday.  Hospital was a model of efficiency.  In and out in 25 minutes.

I'm having fewer reactions to the 2nd one than the first. First shot my arm was a bit tender for a couple of days.  If it weren’t for the bandaid on my arm I’d be hard pressed to know where I got the shot.

My wife says her her does hurt and she woke up in the middle of the night feeling a bit achy.

No other reactions/symptoms to report at this time.

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8 minutes ago, jerseyguy said:

My wife and I got our 2nd shots (Pfizer) yesterday.  Hospital was a model of efficiency.  In and out in 25 minutes.

I'm having fewer reactions to the 2nd one than the first. First shot my arm was a bit tender for a couple of days.  If it weren’t for the bandaid on my arm I’d be hard pressed to know where I got the shot.

My wife says her her does hurt and she woke up in the middle of the night feeling a bit achy.

No other reactions/symptoms to report at this time.

My wife and I also got  our second (Pfizer) shoot yesterday.   I slept about 10 hours and woke up feeling like a had a few YC Dark and Stormies (we didnt drink last night), she woke up 3 times during the night and had a low grade fever.  We are both feeling better this morning with coffee.  From what we have heard from other friends everything clears about in about 24 hours.   

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My wife and I got our first shot of Pfizer five days ago. Only was a bit tender at the injection zone the next day. Not even a bandaid.

Did not feel the nanobots. Oh wait, they just received a major update, I have to reboot...

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These GAVI financed gene-therapies currently being pimped?

No.. though maybe in 2023 when the final completed trial data is in for some of these novel new products.

Meanwhile here is todays read from that well-known conspiracy theorist journal the UKs BMJ.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425

Science is being suppressed for political and financial gain. Covid-19 has unleashed state corruption on a grand scale, and it is harmful to public health.1 Politicians and industry are responsible for this opportunistic embezzlement. So too are scientists and health experts. The pandemic has revealed how the medical-political complex can be manipulated in an emergency—a time when it is even more important to safeguard science.

 

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For those, like my family, receiving one of the two mRNA vaccines, I recommend this article in the New York Times by the excellent science journalist Gina Kolata. It is about a scientist who persisted early on trying to use mRNA to generate novel proteins in animal cells, the basis for these vaccines. There were numerous other advances required for the success of the Moderna and BioNTech vaccines, like the modified sequence of the spike protein itself (changing a few amino acids to proline to stabilize its structure), and the lipid droplets that the mRNA is enclosed in to facilitate introduction of the mRNA into cells, but the fundamental work on getting the mRNA to work and avoid stimulating an immune response against the mRNA itself was critical.

There is an interesting science social angle to it too, she struggled to obtain a permanent position, moving from one grant-supported position to another, dependent on the patronage of more senior scientists. I was lucky to get straight through the standard career progression of BSc, PhD, postdoc, assistant, associate, and full professor (now emeritus), but I have watched some colleagues struggle like this woman did.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-mrna-kariko.html

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You'd appear more credible if you stopped quoting the NYT.

That place jumped the shark 4 years ago, and it's not the same.  
'The netflix of journalism' as people refer to it as.

We give you the content you want, and lots of it.

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On 4/10/2021 at 4:44 AM, BlatantEcho said:

You'd appear more credible if you stopped quoting the NYT.

That place jumped the shark 4 years ago, and it's not the same.  
'The netflix of journalism' as people refer to it as.

We give you the content you want, and lots of it.

Perhaps you could read the article and tell me what aspects of it are incorrect or inaccurate. 

I paid attention to this kind of research, especially the development of the lipid microdroplets used to deliver the vaccine, because 20 years ago I was involved in research to develop methods for genetic engineering of various organisms and we considered using that technology. I find nothing wrong with the article, perhaps you could educate me more.

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On 4/10/2021 at 5:44 AM, BlatantEcho said:

You'd appear more credible if you stopped quoting the NYT.

That place jumped the shark 4 years ago, and it's not the same.  
'The netflix of journalism' as people refer to it as.

We give you the content you want, and lots of it.

Generally RWNJ bullshitters hate the NY Times, because 1- they're told to and 2- it does not pander to what they want to hear and 3- it generally proves that what -they- prefer to hear/spout is bullshit.

On rare occasions, the Times publishes info that is wrong. They almost always print admission of error and corrections... and I have no proof it isn't ALWAYS but I am cynical enough to think that mistakes must slip past them. They're only human

They actually fire reporters who knowingly submit false info as NEWS.

Get back to us when -any- of your favorite "news" sources do any of that.

- DSK

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14 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Generally RWNJ bullshitters hate the NY Times, because 1- they're told to and 2- it does not pander to what they want to hear and 3- it generally proves that what -they- prefer to hear/spout is bullshit.

On rare occasions, the Times publishes info that is wrong. They almost always print admission of error and corrections... and I have no proof it isn't ALWAYS but I am cynical enough to think that mistakes must slip past them. They're only human

They actually fire reporters who knowingly submit false info as NEWS.

Get back to us when -any- of your favorite "news" sources do any of that.

- DSK

Lololol

What planet do you live on?

 

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4 hours ago, Keith said:

Can you explain why the data in this article doesn't match the latest data on the source website?  The article quotes sources from the Brazil ICU Project.

http://www.utisbrasileiras.com.br/en/covid-19/benchmarking-covid-19/

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4 hours ago, dorydude said:

A new study by Israeli researchers found that a South African variant of COVID may put people who have been vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine at higher risk of breakthrough infection compared to unvaccinated people.

The study also showed an increased incidence of the UK variant in those who received one dose of the Pfizer shot.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.06.21254882v1

Hmm...rushed vaccines....

 

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Yeah we should wait until even more variants come out

- DSK

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5 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

so why hasnt small pox continued to mutate?

not enough critical mass due to a successful vaccination program .

 

what do I win ?

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1 hour ago, Ease the sheet. said:

so why hasnt small pox continued to mutate?

Buzz.  Wrong!  It has continued to mutate but it is a type of DNA virus that is comparatively stable.  It also doesn't have a known non-human reservoir like corona viruses (many mammalian species) so less opportunity to mutate.   DNA viruses don't make as many "mistakes" during replication as RNA viruses do.  DNA viruses still mutate they just do it at a much slower rate.

Ironically some research has shown that small pox mutated more in vaccinated people than those that weren't.  That was because of evolutionary pressure from the immune system.  In that there is a lesson for those advocating deferment of second doses of those vaccines that require two shots.

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2 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Buzz.  Wrong!  It has continued to mutate but it is a type of DNA virus that is comparatively stable.  It also doesn't have a known non-human reservoir like corona viruses (many mammalian species) so less opportunity to mutate.   DNA viruses don't make as many "mistakes" during replication as RNA viruses do.  DNA viruses still mutate they just do it at a much slower rate.

Ironically some research has shown that small pox mutated more in vaccinated people than those that weren't.  That was because of evolutionary pressure from the immune system.  In that there is a lesson for those advocating deferment of second doses of those vaccines that require two shots.

So the eradication of small pox is a lesson?

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On 3/24/2021 at 7:38 AM, MR.CLEAN said:


 

Moderna at a big box clinic. 
 

pretty sleepy on day two and some arm pain. Otherwise unremarkable. 

OMG you managed to swallow your pride and take a Trump vaccine authorized by Trump appointees.  Good on ya, you big bald moron.  :D

Wondering if I need to use the purple font or if he will get it.

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16 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

So the eradication of small pox is a lesson?

A lesson in what?  Smallpox is a virus that has attributes that enable it to be eradicated e.g. it mutates slowly and has no non-human reservoirs.

Coronaviruses mutate more quickly and have numerous non-human reservoirs - e.g. bats, pangolins, mink, domestic cats.  You can't vaccinate all of them.  Eradication or even elimination is not an option. The human race is fortunate that Covid-19 isn't as deadly as Smallpox, measles or Ebola.

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3 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

A lesson in what?  Smallpox is a virus that has attributes that enable it to be eradicated e.g. it mutates slowly and has no non-human reservoirs.

Coronaviruses mutate more quickly and have numerous non-human reservoirs - e.g. bats, pangolins, mink, domestic cats.  You can't vaccinate all of them.  Eradication or even elimination is not an option. The human race is fortunate that Covid-19 isn't as deadly as Smallpox, measles or Ebola.

do you wonder why people think your an idiot?

i mean, im sure you dont. but still.

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1 hour ago, Kate short for Bob said:

What did I post that is factually incorrect?  Surely the idiocy lies with those that don't believe the facts.

the idiocy lies with those that dont understand the facts. like you, for example.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ease the sheet. said:

the idiocy lies with those that dont understand the facts. like you, for example.

 

 

So what part of my post is not factual?  

7 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

A lesson in what?  Smallpox is a virus that has attributes that enable it to be eradicated e.g. it mutates slowly and has no non-human reservoirs.

Coronaviruses mutate more quickly and have numerous non-human reservoirs - e.g. bats, pangolins, mink, domestic cats.  You can't vaccinate all of them.  Eradication or even elimination is not an option. The human race is fortunate that Covid-19 isn't as deadly as Smallpox, measles or Ebola.

 

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16 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:
19 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

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do you wonder why people think your an idiot?

i mean, im sure you dont. but still.

Mikey doesn't do "wonder," he's cocksure about all his misinformation and made-up bullshit.

I wonder how many people have seen some of his denialist bullshit and died because of it.

- DSK

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3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Mikey doesn't do "wonder," he's cocksure about all his misinformation and made-up bullshit.

 

Typical trolling behaviour working on the premise that if you keep saying something is misinformation or BS then everyone will eventually believe you.  But never actually detail what is misinformation and what is BS.

I'm still waiting for Ease to tell me what is incorrect about the following:

23 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Coronaviruses mutate more quickly and have numerous non-human reservoirs - e.g. bats, pangolins, mink, domestic cats.  You can't vaccinate all of them.  Eradication or even elimination is not an option.

 

4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

I wonder how many people have seen some of his denialist bullshit and died because of it.

What have I denied?  Again you are using the classic trolling technique of assigned a negative label based on no evidence but in the hope that if you keep applying the label it will stick. You then roll out the irrational "granny killer" label.  Plus when challenged to debate the issues using science, data and facts it all becomes too much for you.

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On 4/17/2021 at 2:33 PM, Kate short for Bob said:

So what part of my post is not factual?  

 

You're comparing the behaviour of an individual virus to other completely different viruses and calling them the same.

You're bullshitting.

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Update for @EYESAILOR from before this thread degenerated, with 131.2M vaccinated and eligibility open to all in my state, my wife and I just got our first jab with Pfizer. The 17yo gets his tomorrow.

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10 hours ago, IStream said:

Update for @EYESAILOR from before this thread degenerated, with 131.2M vaccinated and eligibility open to all in my state, my wife and I just got our first jab with Pfizer. The 17yo gets his tomorrow.

Why is a 17 year old getting a vaccine?

What is the reasoning behind that?

 

Society would be infinitely better served sending god vaccines overseas to protect old people in other countries - actually at risk.

But a 17 year old??

 

What science is this following?

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7 minutes ago, BlatantEcho said:

Why is a 17 year old getting a vaccine?

What is the reasoning behind that?

 

Society would be infinitely better served sending god vaccines overseas to protect old people in other countries - actually at risk.

But a 17 year old??

 

What science is this following?

Umm, the science that 17 years olds catch and spread the virus?

Pretty difficult advanced stuff for you

- DSK

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13 hours ago, IStream said:

Update for @EYESAILOR from before this thread degenerated, with 131.2M vaccinated and eligibility open to all in my state, my wife and I just got our first jab with Pfizer. The 17yo gets his tomorrow.

Sounds like we had similar weekends. I got my first round of Pfizer on Saturday. I already had Covid, so wasn’t in any rush, but now that there’s plenty available, I didn’t see the point in waiting any longer. 

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3 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

Why is a 17 year old getting a vaccine?

What is the reasoning behind that?

 

Society would be infinitely better served sending god vaccines overseas to protect old people in other countries - actually at risk.

But a 17 year old??

 

What science is this following?

I'm guessing you think vaccinating men against a virus that causes cervical cancer is silly too?

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6 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

I'm guessing you think vaccinating men against a virus that causes cervical cancer is silly too?

The same virus causes penile cancer, throat and mouth cancer.  It isn't gender specific however many Government vaccination programmes have made it so.

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37 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

The same virus causes penile cancer, throat and mouth cancer.  It isn't gender specific however many Government vaccination programmes have made it so.

What's the death rate of penile cancer?

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22 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

What's the death rate of penile cancer?

Greater than cervical cancer.  But what is the point of your question?  Surely you are not suggesting that only half the transmission vectors should be vaccinated and that only the most vulnerable should be vaccinated?

Throat cancer of which HPV is a significant cause has half the survival rate of cervical cancer.

 

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4 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Greater than cervical cancer.  But what is the point of your question?  Surely you are not suggesting that only half the transmission vectors should be vaccinated and that only the most vulnerable should be vaccinated?

Throat cancer of which HPV is a significant cause has half the survival rate of cervical cancer.

 

Surely you're not arguing against that?

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5 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Surely you're not arguing against that?

No I'm not arguing against vaccinating pre-sexually active young people for protection from HPV.  It is a thoroughly tested vaccine that is safe.  I'm arguing that it shouldn't be limited to vaccinating just females as it is in some countries and states.

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2 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

No I'm not arguing against vaccinating pre-sexually active young people for protection from HPV.  It is a thoroughly tested vaccine that is safe.  I'm arguing that it shouldn't be limited to vaccinating just females as it is in some countries and states.

Should grandparents be vaccinated for whooping cough?

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On 4/19/2021 at 6:40 AM, Steam Flyer said:

Umm, the science that 17 years olds catch and spread the virus?

Pretty difficult advanced stuff for you

- DSK


This is a level of stupid I haven't seen here before.  Interesting.

 

I am sorry I don't have a wittier response here.

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10 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Should grandparents be vaccinated for whooping cough?

What's your point?  The reality is because of Covid-19 millions of young children who are not vulnerable to Covid-19 are not being vaccinated for preventable and treatable fatal diseases.

How does that fact sit with the selfish and scared save me from covid-19 acolytes?

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42 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

What's your point?  The reality is because of Covid-19 millions of young children who are not vulnerable to Covid-19 are not being vaccinated for preventable and treatable fatal diseases.

How does that fact sit with the selfish and scared save me from covid-19 acolytes?

PSA:

Whataboutism.

Also: lacks evidence that young children are not vulnerable. At all.

You're welcome.

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1 minute ago, Matagi said:

Also: lacks evidence that young children are not vulnerable. At all.

There is considerable evidence that young children are not vulnerable to Covid-19 - certainly they are many many times less vulnerable to Covid-19 than influenza.  They are also predominantly asymptomatic and thus less infectious.  

Evidence based science has been posted many many times to support that.  Just look at the CDC figures.

As for the issues with other disease vaccination programs affecting young children more than any other segment of the population you only have to listen to what WHO has been publishing to confirm that.  Again information on that problem has been published frequently.

Where is the balanced approach to health management?

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9 minutes ago, Matagi said:

Debunked. 

Anyone can write into this database. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths-idUSL1N2LV0NY

I think the point of the posting of the vax death graph is to point out that vaccinated people still die.  Some even die of Covid-19 under the classification rules.  Whether they die from being vaccinated is moot just as many Covid-19 deaths of people with multiple comorbidities.  Even I wouldn't post the vax death graph.

However you overlook the following graph.  I assume you are not debunking that one!

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8 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

There is considerable evidence that young children are not vulnerable to Covid-19 - certainly they are many many times less vulnerable to Covid-19 than influenza.  They are also predominantly asymptomatic and thus less infectious.  

Evidence based science has been posted many many times to support that.  Just look at the CDC figures.

As for the issues with other disease vaccination programs affecting young children more than any other segment of the population you only have to listen to what WHO has been publishing to confirm that.  Again information on that problem has been published frequently.

Where is the balanced approach to health management?

I'm not talking to you, you don't need to reply to me.

All others: my intention was to point out a very common theme from the playbook of Miss Information here.

Say this:

'The reality is because of Covid-19 millions of young children who are not vulnerable to Covid-19'

And when your bluff is called, row back as quickly as you can.

Experienced opponents will throw in another non-substantiated claim on the way out of the door:

'certainly they are many many times less vulnerable to Covid-19 than influenza.'

And do not forget to verbally kill ANY other (other!!!) person that does not provide a source (only you be the judge of its credibility) or somehow makes the mistake to 'generalize' or apply common sense or (Hail Mary, full of Grace!) mainstream media. 

Remember: only you judge what is to be considered mainstream. It shall henceforth be measured in 'Nugents'. Shapiro: 10 Nugents. Fauci: 0 Nugents.

Always start your post with something like 'you really don't get it' or 'Are you a descendant of an ape?' (btw: scientific consensus is: yes, you are. But to some [winkwink] the jury is still out.

End your post with something like 

'Whether they die from being vaccinated is moot'

This aims to show how you are in control and only you steer the 'conversation' (note the handcrafted ' ').

This applies especially in emergency situations when you have to make amends or someone caught you or -worse- you got caught up in your own spiderweb: e.g., note the subconscious confession that is beautifully hidden in this 'Even I':

'Even I wouldn't post the vax death graph.

However you overlook [...]'

You get the gist, right?

Never forget that there is no reality beyond what you read and that all you have read is true. Because: why else would you read it? Duh!

Also always remember that there is no other purpose in your life (left. Because she left. Why? How could she? It was only once!) then to negate and belittle others in what is now a sub-forum to Sportboat Anarchy.

Well done, young Padawan. Tomorrow, maybe we learn about graphs, visualizations and how cutting them at the right corner makes you look more intelligent than you really are.

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