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1 hour ago, Kate short for Bob said:

ften not based on science and not replicated globally or even nationally.

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The private sector has embarked on a major campaign to reassure the public that they will not release a vaccine until they are confident it is safe and effective. We can expect a joint statement from

As many of you know I am right of center politically.  I dont think vaccines are a political issue or at least they should not be.  My family are all vaccinated. I tried to think of how I should

You are such a bag of shit wrapped in a thin veneer of pseudo self esteem. You are a walking around killer of strangers free riding on those who got vaccinated. Sponger.

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25 minutes ago, Wess said:

You could always leave.  You might enjoy China. 

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1 hour ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Those are not health reasons but are Government rules and regulations.  Often not based on science and not replicated globally or even nationally.

 

CV19 is an airborne virus that infects the respiratory system, N95 masks reduce the probability of spreading CV19.

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4 minutes ago, IPLore said:

 

CV19 is an airborne virus that infects the respiratory system, N95 masks reduce the probability of spreading CV19.

Your point is?  You list Government rules, regulations and restrictions as justification for vaccination.  Those restrictions are Government reactions to their interpretation of science. 

"Do this and we'll give you your freedom back!"

As for an N95 mask how many people have access to one let alone know how to wear amd remove them properly?  It is an ineffective NPI.  Sweden didn't enforce a mask mandate and did way better than the USA.

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11 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

Still haven't heard any good reason for a healthy person to get vaccinated.


Masks still forced in certain places.
PCR test to travel int'l.
Draconian lockdowns can come back at anytime.

No @Kate short for Bob, It was BE who listed Masks, tests and lockdowns.

He asked for good reasons and then listed 3.

I have been vaccinated . In our YC everyone bar a handful have been vaccinated.  We ask unvaccinated members to wear masks so that the rest of us can relax and enjoy life.  It only seems fair that they should identify themselves and they willingly comply.

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13 minutes ago, IPLore said:

I have been vaccinated . In our YC everyone bar a handful have been vaccinated.  We ask unvaccinated members to wear masks so that the rest of us can relax and enjoy life.  It only seems fair that they should identify themselves and they willingly comply.

How do you know that those that say they have been vaccinated have been vaccinated?

How do you know that any of the vaccinated are not currently infected and infectious as in have a "breakthrough infection"?

How do you treat those that have had Covid-19 and have fully recovered?  That is have immunity.

Assuming your club is a Sailing/Yachting Club is your membership predominantly aged and well off?  That is you have a declining youth membership and little interest in introducing young people to sailing.

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I love these socialist libs who keep telling everyone else what to you and want to force them to do it. They just can’t help themselves. They also can’t understand why half the world hates them and will not comply with their demands to surrender their freedom and instead insist on making their own healthcare choices. 
 

Poor IPL need a good reason to not get vaccinated. First off I don’t owe you any reason; nor does anyone else. But since you will forever whine how about because I don’t want to and my health care choices are none of your fucking business? And no; never have and never willI follow any of your stupid rules or covid restrictions either. 

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3 minutes ago, Wess said:

I love these socialist libs

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This topic is not complicated.

The fastest way to end the pandemic is for as many people as possible to get vaccinated.

There are 3 types of people who are not getting vaccinated:

1. Those who understand that vaccines work but place no importance on eliminating SAR Covid 19 and oppose vaccine advocacy as interfering with freedom. Let everyone take care of themselves. . Best summed up as "Im alright and I couldnt give a fuck about anybody else....everyone should take care of themselves"

2. Those that are wholly antivax, think that the vaccines are a bad thing.  The Tess Lawrie's of this world who pull together spurious science to scare people about vaccines.

3.   A less educated group who have been scared by all these rumors and believe them.

So despite all the science on our side since the last global pandemic , we did better with vaccines in the flu pandemic of 1957.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This topic is not complicated.

Those wishing to tell others what to do should drop dead and rot in hell.

https://news.yahoo.com/france-allows-visitors-indian-made-094200320.html

Even the french think you socialist vaccine pushing libs are stupid and they are a bunch of pussies for gosh sakes.

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55 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

How do you know that those that say they have been vaccinated have been vaccinated?

How do you know that any of the vaccinated are not currently infected and infectious as in have a "breakthrough infection"?

How do you treat those that have had Covid-19 and have fully recovered?  That is have immunity.

Assuming your club is a Sailing/Yachting Club is your membership predominantly aged and well off?  That is you have a declining youth membership and little interest in introducing young people to sailing.

1. How do you know that those that say they have been vaccinated have been vaccinated?

We ask.  We trust each other. There is no shame in not being vaccinated. You just wear a mask, and understand if people use social distancing.  But I want to say that in the survey, 95% of membership have been vaccinated. It was never a big deal.  When the age groups opened up, folks in our community just got vaccinated. No weirdness like on SA.

2. How do you know that any of the vaccinated are not currently infected and infectious as in have a "breakthrough infection"?

We dont know if there is a break through.  But the odds are massively better.  If I am vaccinated among a population of unvaccinated people, I have 90% protection. The vaccine is 90% effective . So in theory I have a 10% chance of break through infection.  Ifthe people around me are vaccinated. Then the chance of me getting infected falls to 10% of 10%  = 1%The power of compounding is magnificent. Then if they only interact with vaccinated individuals, that compounds again to 0.1%. 99.9% protection sure feels like a safe community. Thus far, nobody has had a break through infection, but it may happen at work or somewhere.

3. How do you treat those that have had Covid-19 and have fully recovered?  That is have immunity.

We have had several members who caught Covid as well as our dockmaster. I dont know the details except a close friend who got very sick.   We dont distinguish. Its too complicated. The people I know decided to get vaccinated to be on the safe side. The friend who got very sick has not been vaccinated , he has not fully recovered and his physician wants him to recover before getting vaccinated. Sadly, still not well enough to come to the club.

4. Assuming your club is a Sailing/Yachting Club is your membership predominantly aged and well off?  That is you have a declining youth membership and little interest in introducing young people to sailing.

We actively promote junior sailing. There is a discounted membership for anybody under 35 and the rate gets progressively lower so we are really affordable for early 20s and effectively free for teenagers out of the junior sailing program. The junior sailing program is large and fully sold out with a waiting list every year.   The instructors are required to be vaccinated (sorry Wess, we must be a bunch of socialists mandating vaccine to protect our families....but our club, our choice so fuck off)  The younger full members all seem to be vaccinated.  They have a very active team racing program. We have a thriving younger membership. 

I cannot explain it fully, we just dont have all these weird discussions about vaccines. It is SOP when arranging a new crew to ask if vaccinated.

This whole antivax/vaccine hesitancy thing is another world.   The location is a reasonable  educated demographic that is not going to take any notice of microchips and scare tactics.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Wess said:

What I like is that you dopes just don’t understand why so many people (virtually half the population) disagree with your never ending hyperbole, BS, outright lies and scare tactics, as well as your desire to force your approach and views on others. If this hadn’t been politicized by both sides, if this hadn’t been attempted to be forced on people, the outcomes would have been better. 
 

The biggest effect of this virus has been and will continue to be less trust in government, less trust in the press, and greater discord and likely violence  in society in general. 

More than half of the US believe in a sky fairy, with a socialist son.....

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4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

They need to get their defective genes out of our pool?

Just a suggestion.

 

Ouch. It's ramping up again, just like a historic plague or something. I am really really hoping that the number of breakthrough infections does not rise to the level of producing a new virus-defeating variant. It inevitably will, that's how nature works, but hopefully not for a long time.

It's a shame that we don't have some big island of medieval dwellers we can exile the anti-vaxxers to, so they can experience what a plague taking it's natural course looks like.

- DSK

 

 

Britain seems to have put their hands up for that experiment....

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1 hour ago, Ease the sheet. said:

More than half of the US believe in a sky fairy, with a socialist son.....

Well the good news is they tend to be the half with the guns and the ability to shoot straight! 

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1 hour ago, Ease the sheet. said:

More than half of the US believe in a sky fairy, with a socialist son.....

Less than 10% of Victorians are fully vaxed.

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3 hours ago, Wess said:

This topic is not complicated.

Those wishing to tell others what to do should drop dead and rot in hell.

Do you have a drivers License?

 

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2 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:
39 minutes ago, 00seven said:

Less than 10% of Victorians are fully vaxed.

And?

Vaccination is the topic, not sky fairies stupid. 

Had yours yet? Or are you like Randy?

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7 hours ago, Wess said:

nd no; never have and never willI follow any of your stupid rules or covid restrictions either. 

DO you have a drivers license?

 

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14 minutes ago, random. said:

DO you have a drivers license?

 

Well, like obviously not, because having one would mean Wess would be required to follow rules and other stupid shit like that.   He can't be a sailor either, because there's that stupid rule book that can't possibly apply to him.

"My body; my choice" - at least he supports abortion rights.

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1 hour ago, Rain Man said:

Well, like obviously not, because having one would mean Wess would be required to follow rules and other stupid shit like that.   He can't be a sailor either, because there's that stupid rule book that can't possibly apply to him.

"My body; my choice" - at least he supports abortion rights.

Wess's argument falls down the moment he leaves his basement.

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4 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

Why do you want to know my level of sexual excitement?

Like, creepy......

So, unvaccinated then. Like Randy....

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Do I have a drivers license LOL.  Dope should have asked if I have a gun permit to better make his point. The answer is yes to both. 

Irregardless I still didn’t and don’t follow your covid rules anymore than I or most anyone else always drives at the speed limit. 

That you think you can force your healthcare decision on others and that doing so is like a road or drivers license is amusing. Equally it is and will continue to fail. 

You vaccine Nazis have failed.
 

 

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11 hours ago, IPLore said:

If I am vaccinated among a population of unvaccinated people, I have 90% protection. The vaccine is 90% effective . So in theory I have a 10% chance of break through infection.  Ifthe people around me are vaccinated. Then the chance of me getting infected falls to 10% of 10%  = 1%The power of compounding is magnificent. Then if they only interact with vaccinated individuals, that compounds again to 0.1%. 99.9% protection sure feels like a safe community.

 

Being serious for a moment you maybe want to rethink this given you are so scared of getting covid.  Your analysis hinges on a flawed assumption - assumptions actually - and the math is wildly wrong as a result.  Go google what the ex-FDA Commish had to say recently about the spread of delta and why its almost certainly hugely under counted and undetected.  Of course he was appointed by Trump so he must be wrong.  But CNN has him as a frequent guest so he must be right... I mean left.  B)

Anyway for my parent who are at significant risk of covid mortality and are vaccinated there is a reason I urge them, and they do, avoid crowds.  Their risk of catching covid (especially the delta variant) is much... MUCH... higher than your numbers indicate.

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31 minutes ago, Wess said:

Being serious for a moment you maybe want to rethink this given you are so scared of getting covid

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12 minutes ago, Wess said:

Being serious for a moment you maybe want to rethink this given you are so scared of getting covid.  Your analysis hinges on a flawed assumption - assumptions actually - and the math is wildly wrong as a result.  Go google what the ex-FDA Commish had to say recently about the spread of delta and why its almost certainly hugely under counted and undetected.  Of course he was appointed by Trump so he must be wrong.  But CNN has him as a frequent guest so he must be right... I mean left.  B)

Anyway for my parent who are at significant risk of covid mortality and are vaccinated there is a reason I urge them, and they do, avoid crowds.  Their risk of catching covid (especially the delta variant) is much... MUCH... higher than your numbers indicate.

I wish you would support the kind of vaccination campaign that would at least reduce spread of the Delta variant and get us faster to a place where your parents can start to get out and lead a normal life, and maybe even save their lives and thousands others.

Wess, I am also being serious for a moment.  I dont think you will ever change your mind.   But perhaps recognize that the men and women in healthcare advocating vaccination and administrating vaccines are not Nazis but people who care for their fellow Americans. 

We are not trying to trample on your liberty or take your gun from you. We are trying to save lives , avoid short and long term effects of catching covid and help return society to normal.

I dont know if you realize but your posts have evolved from a passionate defense of the freedom to choose, to a screeching, vindictive, insulting rhetoric that comes across as anti-vax , even if you say you are not. 

 

 

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On 7/16/2021 at 11:32 PM, spankoka said:

Barroom bouncers can figure out myriads of IDs, and are pretty good at identifying hinky IDs. Probably the CBSA will end up sending lots of people with questionable vaccine docs to secondary. I doubt the state laws against vaccine passports will be held against people, because their doctor's notes and so on would be accepted in good faith, unless the CBSA officer thought something was up. This is just how the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act works, and the regulations used at the front line are intended to be compliant with IRPA. 

Border crossings will be slow as officials have to sort this all out. I get a sense that the unvaccinated tend not to be international travellers so there is that.

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Eye - If you care and have a brain then you would change your approach given how badly the path you are on is failing.  In that regard BE's point is well made.  Approximately 50% of people have told your side to fuck off.  And the resistance is growing.  Not just in the US but around the world.  Yet all you folks do is get madder and yell louder.

And so you get what you give.  You may not realize it but you come across as a vaccine nazi.  For example you for sure are intelligent enough to know the flaw in and how misleading the CDC quote that IPL used is.  But do you speak up or tell the truth?  No.  So come on its not a honest discussion.

Oh and finally its SA for gosh sake.  Do you really think this is the place to change the world? Or a place to blow off steam and have a laugh?

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22 minutes ago, Wess said:

Eye - If you care and have a brain then you would change your approach given how badly the path you are on is failing. .....

ummm, yeah

Because it's vaccinated people that are dying by the hundreds, soon to be thousands, every day

"Failing"    ... that word does not mean what you think it means.

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So if you think that is true then you can sit back secure in the knowledge that you are safe and your enemy is dying in droves, only further strengthening your position.  You can sit quietly and let Darwin do his work.  So why so mad?

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12 minutes ago, Wess said:

So why so mad?

because you need to ask .

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44 minutes ago, Wess said:

Eye - If you care and have a brain then you would change your approach given how badly the path you are on is failing.  In that regard BE's point is well made.  Approximately 50% of people have told your side to fuck off.  And the resistance is growing.  Not just in the US but around the world.  Yet all you folks do is get madder and yell louder.

And so you get what you give.  You may not realize it but you come across as a vaccine nazi.  For example you for sure are intelligent enough to know the flaw in and how misleading the CDC quote that IPL used is.  But do you speak up or tell the truth?  No.  So come on its not a honest discussion.

Oh and finally its SA for gosh sake.  Do you really think this is the place to change the world? Or a place to blow off steam and have a laugh?

I do care.   Is that a bad thing?

I have not responded to the vaccine hesitancy by yelling louder or getting mad, but by trying to understand it.

It may be a place for you to blow off steam and accuse healthcare workers of being Nazis. For me, SA has been a social network of sailors where we share experience and insights in a direct and sometimes humorous way that we do not always get from the sailing press.   I just dont find the pandemic as humorous as you do.  I also simply do not like people who discourage vaccination based on misinformation and catchphrases "My body, my choice " etc. 

I advocate vaccination.  You know my view. Im not yelling or supplying quotes from the CDC . I just look at the trial results and the data since vaccination started and advocate the vaccine as the safest and most effective way to contain this disease/pandemic.  

Im sorry that you feel the need to call me a Nazi.

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Yes, I know your view.  You clearly don't know mine.  You misrepresent it endlessly.  For example I don't find the pandemic humorous.  I do find SA and many of those posting here quite humorous.

 

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38 minutes ago, Wess said:

So if you think that is true then you can sit back secure in the knowledge that you are safe and your enemy is dying in droves, only further strengthening your position.  You can sit quietly and let Darwin do his work.  So why so mad?

I don't consider you an enemy at all, just a person who has unfortunately believed a series of damaging lies. It's like talking with a teenager who genuinely believes that drinking a certain brand of soda will give him sparkly-white teeth and get him a pretty girlfriend.

- DSK

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18 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

They need to get their defective genes out of our pool?

Just a suggestion.

 

Ouch. It's ramping up again, just like a historic plague or something. I am really really hoping that the number of breakthrough infections does not rise to the level of producing a new virus-defeating variant. It inevitably will, that's how nature works, but hopefully not for a long time.

It's a shame that we don't have some big island of medieval dwellers we can exile the anti-vaxxers to, so they can experience what a plague taking it's natural course looks like.

- DSK

 

 

OK, sure.

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20 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

They need to get their defective genes out of our pool?

Just a suggestion.

 

Ouch. It's ramping up again, just like a historic plague or something. I am really really hoping that the number of breakthrough infections does not rise to the level of producing a new virus-defeating variant. It inevitably will, that's how nature works, but hopefully not for a long time.

It's a shame that we don't have some big island of medieval dwellers we can exile the anti-vaxxers to, so they can experience what a plague taking it's natural course looks like.

- DSK

 

 

I’ve been advocating free for all zones with hermetically sealed borders requiring testing, quarantine and tracking to leave since this thing started.  Think of the bogus drugs sold within, each one with a Trumpesque figure ruling with filthy hands.  Not a new idea, but the inverse of the usual notion… what if the Medici’s were the good guys, a rational reaction to the realities Black Death?  Ah, the free flow of different opinions……:blink:

 

https://www.theflorentine.net/2013/02/28/sailing-tortoises-and-a-ufo/

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Regarding the original thread title--- I was most definitely going to get the vax when available, and am definitely glad I did.  Two weeks ago my band-- five guys age 48-68-- rocked the hell out of a private party in semi-rural Solvang, CA.  We were all vaxxed.  We all tested positive for Covid the following week with varying symptoms from pretty crummy to mild.  The drummer, who had gotten covid in December, was the only one who tested negative.  Several others at the party, also vaxxed, were positive, so basically it had to be the Delta.  My wife and daughters tested negative, as did the house partners of various members; just anecdotally it feels like the vaccination was effective in preventing severe symptoms and spread of the virus.  Just as hoped/predicted.   

 

 

 

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Ummm... you just reported that many (virtually all in your group)  - all of whom were vaccinated - did get covid, no?  So how exactly did it "stop the spread of the virus?"  I think you are saying that within your band 4 of 5 (so a whopping 80%) all of whom were vaccinated got covid.  And that it was only the guy who previously had covid that didn't get it again.  Right?

Not busting your chops and frankly its not a surprise at all.

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It quite apparently reduced the effects of the virus and prevented its spread to immediate family members (who were also vaxxed).  No surprise claimed, just a firsthand account of current and relevant experience. 

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Serious suggestion... those immediate family members might want to get tested.  Some very real chance they are simply asymptomatic. 

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Curious if you know…. Did any of those family members and associates have antibody tests such that you / they know with absolute certainty if any of them had covid prior? 

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I don't know if that was part of our tests.  I do know that strict adherence to prior guidelines on most of our parts (the one who got it is an essential worker who did his best but has multiple contacts in his work) makes it very unlikely.  We intend to continue/restart masking and distancing, although it was a nice break from masking for a while. 

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48 minutes ago, Wess said:

Ummm... you just reported that many (virtually all in your group)  - all of whom were vaccinated - did get covid, no?  So how exactly did it "stop the spread of the virus?"  I think you are saying that within your band 4 of 5 (so a whopping 80%) all of whom were vaccinated got covid.  And that it was only the guy who previously had covid that didn't get it again.  Right?

Not busting your chops and frankly its not a surprise at all.

Umm, you really have been ignoring everything true that's been told to you?

Are you under the impression that somehow the vaccine magically prevents you from catching the virus (any virus... or bacteria for that matter)?

Are you under the impression that somehow, the vaccine magically prevents the virus from using your cells to reproduce itself (this is what viruses do at the basic level, about 6th grade science where I come from)?

Are you under the impression that all people with roughly similar levels of exposure (above zero, that is) will all have exactly the same test results?

- DSK

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OMG that is funny.  Never has there been a better example of you don’t know what you don’t know Steam.

I love it when you fools make my case and don’t even realize it. 

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

Umm, you really have been ignoring everything true that's been told to you?

Are you under the impression that somehow the vaccine magically prevents you from catching the virus (any virus... or bacteria for that matter)?

Are you under the impression that somehow, the vaccine magically prevents the virus from using your cells to reproduce itself (this is what viruses do at the basic level, about 6th grade science where I come from)?

Are you under the impression that all people with roughly similar levels of exposure (above zero, that is) will all have exactly the same test results?

- DSK

Seems you are finally onto it.

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8 hours ago, Owen said:

Regarding the original thread title--- I was most definitely going to get the vax when available, and am definitely glad I did.  Two weeks ago my band-- five guys age 48-68-- rocked the hell out of a private party in semi-rural Solvang, CA.  We were all vaxxed.  We all tested positive for Covid the following week with varying symptoms from pretty crummy to mild.  The drummer, who had gotten covid in December, was the only one who tested negative.  Several others at the party, also vaxxed, were positive, so basically it had to be the Delta.  My wife and daughters tested negative, as did the house partners of various members; just anecdotally it feels like the vaccination was effective in preventing severe symptoms and spread of the virus.  Just as hoped/predicted.   

 

 

 

We had a wonderful vacation in SoCal and based ourselves at the wonderful hotel in Solvag for a week exploring wine country and hiking on trails in the national forest, before heading North and then down to the cost and finally back to Sta B and LA..  It was in 2018 and turned out to be our last vacation pre-pandemic. We didnt know that at the time as we had trips planned in 2019 and 2020  which got cancelled, but it was wonderful. 

Wonderful food and wine, stunning hikes and scenery, and.....I found Californians to be great company.

Im sorry to hear about the covid. Thank you for sharing your personal experience.

 

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Thanks Eye, I'm glad to share info and glad you enjoyed your visit!  

To continue the story while we're up-- I tested negative six days after positive, both confirmed legit with followup email etc.  While driving up to join my family camping at Patricks Point on the Humboldt coast, I couldn't help thinking, "yeah, Fuck Solvang!"... but yes it's a charming town in the middle of some of my favorite California oaks and grass.

To our health!

 

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https://www.jpost.com/omg/20-percent-of-americans-believe-microchips-are-inside-covid-19-vaccine-study-674272

"20% of Americans believe microchips are inside COVID-19 vaccines - study"

"False content has been published on social media regarding the microchip theory, with many conspiracy theorists saying that COVID-19 is just a coverup to track people using the vaccines."

 

Go rotate the food in your bug out bunker......... tick, tick, tick.

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Yeah; but as has been noted, it's probably not the hillbilly crowd that will be the CBSA's concern. US sportsmen and people who transit from WA to AK are actually pretty up on how to declare their firearms and so on, to the CBSA. Presumably if the same people know how to cross the border with a gun, they will be up on their vaccines. 

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21 hours ago, random. said:
On 7/18/2021 at 8:05 AM, Wess said:

nd no; never have and never willI follow any of your stupid rules or covid restrictions either. 

DO you have a drivers license?

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15 hours ago, Wess said:

Being serious for a moment you maybe want to rethink this given you are so scared of getting covid.  Your analysis hinges on a flawed assumption - assumptions actually - and the math is wildly wrong as a result.  Go google what the ex-FDA Commish had to say recently about the spread of delta and why its almost certainly hugely under counted and undetected.  Of course he was appointed by Trump so he must be wrong.  But CNN has him as a frequent guest so he must be right... I mean left.  B)

Anyway for my parent who are at significant risk of covid mortality and are vaccinated there is a reason I urge them, and they do, avoid crowds.  Their risk of catching covid (especially the delta variant) is much... MUCH... higher than your numbers indicate.

So your parents need to moderate their behaviour because you want to do what you want to do?

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1 hour ago, Keith said:

 

"20% of Americans believe microchips are inside COVID-19 vaccines - study"

 

Does anyone know a good Ad-Blocker for the microchip?

I've been getting targeted ads in my peripheral vision ever since I got the vaccine!

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On 7/17/2021 at 5:13 PM, d'ranger said:

Funny that Wess who repeatedly states he is not an antivaxxer likes the BlatantAsshole who is.

Lol, I'm not an 'anti-vaxxer' - what a stupid, lazy insult.


I am vaccinated from:

YellowFever
Typhoid
HepA
HepB
Meningitis
TDep

 

I'm not getting a 'Covid-19 vaccine' because :   I'm not at risk.

If you're old, fat or have co-morbidities... sure, get it.
Why they fuck would I, or anyone get a vaccine for something they aren't at risk for??  Are you completely moronic?

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24 minutes ago, BlatantEcho said:

 

 

I'm not getting a 'Covid-19 vaccine' because :   I'm not at risk.

If you're old, fat or have co-morbidities... sure, get it.
Why they fuck would I, or anyone get a vaccine for something they aren't at risk for??  Are you completely moronic?

Oh dear.

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7 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

So your parents need to moderate their behaviour because you want to do what you want to do?

I am zero incremental risk to my parents. You are just too stupid to understand why. You are going to convince people to think the covid vaccine rots brains and reduces IQ given you seem to be a shining example of that. 

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4 minutes ago, Wess said:

I am zero incremental risk to my parents. You are just too stupid to understand why. You are going to convince people to think the covid vaccine rots brains and reduces IQ given you seem to be a shining example of that. 

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6 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Does anyone know a good Ad-Blocker for the microchip?

I've been getting targeted ads in my peripheral vision ever since I got the vaccine!

There you go again.  Attempting to us humour to inject bullshit here.

I neva ends.

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9 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

We had a wonderful vacation in SoCal and based ourselves at the wonderful hotel in Solvag for a week exploring wine country and hiking on trails in the national forest, before heading North and then down to the cost and finally back to Sta B and LA..  It was in 2018 and turned out to be our last vacation pre-pandemic. We didnt know that at the time as we had trips planned in 2019 and 2020  which got cancelled, but it was wonderful. 

Wonderful food and wine, stunning hikes and scenery, and.....I found Californians to be great company.

Im sorry to hear about the covid. Thank you for sharing your personal experience.

Nice,

The guy posts detailed account of COVID after being vaccinated, all you can do is talk about your holiday and the food an wine?

Nice ... oh look over there!   Something shiny!!!

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5 minutes ago, random. said:

There you go again.  Attempting to us humour to inject bullshit here.

I neva ends.

What you picking on Eyesailor for?

Give it a rest. He/She has acknowledged he/she has vested interests in the Vax companies, other than that, She/he's a pretty solid source of credible information.

What's your problem?

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17 minutes ago, Wess said:

I am zero incremental risk to my parents. You are just too stupid to understand why. You are going to convince people to think the covid vaccine rots brains and reduces IQ given you seem to be a shining example of that. 

Hmm. That's what a couple of young men here thought last week. Mum found dead from Covid at home this morning.

I suspect they'll be distraught today. But it won't bring her back.

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20 minutes ago, Wess said:

I am zero incremental risk to my parents. You are just too stupid to understand why. You are going to convince people to think the covid vaccine rots brains and reduces IQ given you seem to be a shining example of that. 

Putting 2 and 2 together leaves you stumped, hey?

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8 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

What you picking on Eyesailor for?

Give it a rest. He/She has acknowledged he/she has vested interests in the Vax companies, other than that, She/he's a pretty solid source of credible information.

What's your problem?

 

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7 minutes ago, random. said:

 

I neva ends.

Never has a typo said a truer word.

 

You and Wess are opposite ends of the same spectrum. Wess attacks anyone pro vaccine without ever contributing any real information or data to the discussion. You do the same for everyone who you think (wrongly in my case) is against the population embracing the vaccine.  
 

When Wess suggested young healthy people were at risk of dying from the vaccine…..I pointed out that in the only 3 studies that implied  a mRNA vaccine might have impacted life expectancy, none of the patients were young and healthy.   You immediately jumped on this as an anti vaccine data , even though the Norwegian report concluded that the vaccine was highly advisable because the risk of elderly and infirm dying from covid is very high and the risk to young people dying from the mRNA vaccine is nigh non existent. 
 

I am offended to be branded as anti vaccine as I have consistently taken the position in favor of vaccination.    The difference is that I listen to the concerns of the vaccine hesitant and suggest factual data that may help them overcome those concerns


 

 

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52 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

What you picking on Eyesailor for?

Give it a rest. He/She has acknowledged he/she has vested interests in the Vax companies, other than that, She/he's a pretty solid source of credible information.

What's your problem?

I dont have any connections with the vax companies although I believe there is a small position in Pfizer in my IRA

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1 hour ago, BlatantEcho said:

Lol, I'm not an 'anti-vaxxer' - what a stupid, lazy insult.


I am vaccinated from:

YellowFever
Typhoid
HepA
HepB
Meningitis
TDep

 

I'm not getting a 'Covid-19 vaccine' because :   I'm not at risk.

If you're old, fat or have co-morbidities... sure, get it.
Why they fuck would I, or anyone get a vaccine for something they aren't at risk for??  Are you completely moronic?

 

BE,

Glad to hear you are not anti-vaxx.  I have never responded to your posts before.  I mean these comments to be constructive. But if you are dead set against a covid vaccination , no matter hos safe it is, probably nothing will change your mind.

You are at a much greater risk of catching Covid-19 than any of the other diseases that you mention.

You are prepared to risk catching a novel and dangerous disease which can have long term effects because you perceive that you have a lower risk of death from the disease than when you get older.

The reason you will not get diptheria, even though the vaccine is  95% effective (so if diptheria was present, there would still be a risk) is because everyone has been vaccinated such that the disease has been effectively snuffed out in the developed world.

If the mRNA covid vaccine is safe, which I believe is becoming increasingly assured. Then you avoid catching a novel and dangerous disease which might cause you harm.....and you contribute to snuffing the disease out so that it will not be around for the rest of your long and enjoyable life.  

It is up to us whether we want to live with this disease of get rid of it.

 

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1 hour ago, Ease the sheet. said:
1 hour ago, Wess said:

I am zero incremental risk to my parents. You are just too stupid to understand why. You are going to convince people to think the covid vaccine rots brains and reduces IQ given you seem to be a shining example of that. 

Putting 2 and 2 together leaves you stumped, hey?

Actually, the stump was his math tutor

- DSK

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10 hours ago, Owen said:

Thanks Eye, I'm glad to share info and glad you enjoyed your visit!  

To continue the story while we're up-- I tested negative six days after positive, both confirmed legit with followup email etc.  While driving up to join my family camping at Patricks Point on the Humboldt coast, I couldn't help thinking, "yeah, Fuck Solvang!"... but yes it's a charming town in the middle of some of my favorite California oaks and grass.

To our health!

 

Indeed!

Thanks, Owen.

Number of days exposure and test info etc etc is helpful, even as anecdotes.  I've never tested positive even after some stupid exposures (such as going to a bar last week to play music... we left early but were still inside for about two hours). I got the Pfizer vaccine early due to volunteering at our vaccine clinic.  I helped administer just under 14,000 vaccines back in February thru April; not medical just doing all the other stuff.

To our health!

- DSK

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I love it when the left, fat, scared, and stupid all eat their own. 

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4 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

I am vaccinated from:

Then in the late 18th century a vaccine was discovered. And thanks to a series of programmes designed to eradicate the disease – which involved identifying all cases and their contacts and ensuring that they were all vaccinated – it was eliminated in the second half of the 20th century.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/how-smallpox-successfully-eradicated-covid/

The world has now a way to eliminate Covid. But no... it does not hurt me.

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https://news.yahoo.com/l-county-coronavirus-spike-hits-120023795.html

 

"L.A. County coronavirus spike hits alarming levels, with 10,000 infected in a week, as Delta variant spreads"

"Los Angeles County is now recording more than 10,000 coronavirus cases a week — a pace not seen since March — an alarming sign of the dangers the Delta variant poses to people who have not been vaccinated and heightening pressure on health officials to reverse the trend."

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3 hours ago, Wess said:

I love it when the left, fat, scared, and stupid all eat their own. 

I am right wing, in great physical shape, and graduated Summa Cum Laude .

I am under 60 and considered lower risk to covid.

I am glad to be vaccinated.

The anti-covid-vaxxers posing as right wing and proponents of freedom sound like a Jim Jones cult rather than a balanced assessment of an bipartisan health care challenge. Their stance on vaccination has as much to do with freedom as Article 35 of the Chinese Constitution.   

I am proud to support our country's efforts to contain the virus through vaccination .  I sympathize with those who are scared about vaccines. I have zero sympathy for those who are smart enough to understand the minimal risk of the covid vaccine and think that 40+% of the adult population (largely the less well off, less educated ) not getting vaccinated is somehow a victory or a good thing.  We are a developed nation with some of the very best technology in the world. We have led the development of vaccines. Yet we have allowed an important health challenge to become partisan, and we have allowed misinformation and distrust to permeate both sides of the debate.

I have always been open to hearing about the other side of the coin and why vaccines might be more risky than I thought, or why some folks have not been vaccinated.

But when a question is asked or information is exchanged...it is met by idiotic comments and insults like the above.

The Delta variant is causing real problems in other parts of the world. The infection rate is picking up in the US again. Cannot we get ahead of this thing.

 

 

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You sure do whine alot. 
 

And with a less preachy and pushy approach than you vaccine Nazis use  you would have much more success. 
 

Not telling so many white lies would help too.

You only want to yell or cry and never look on the mirror. 

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2 hours ago, Wess said:

You sure do whine alot. 
 

And with a less preachy and pushy approach than you vaccine Nazis use  you would have much more success. 
 

Not telling so many white lies would help too.

You only want to yell or cry and never look on the mirror

You've now enacted Godwin's law - ergo you've lost the argument.  

This thread is dead.

And yes, never look in the mirror and say "Biggie Smalls" 3 times

 

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Another intelligent response from the left.  Not.

You claim you really want to change the dynamic of people not getting vaccinated yet all you do is yell the same insults, and the preach the same gospel louder and louder.  No wonder why you keep failing.

# Your biggest problem isn't misinformation

 

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All you do is yell the same insults,

On 7/18/2021 at 8:35 AM, Wess said:

you vaccine nazi. 

7 hours ago, Wess said:

left, fat, scared, and stupid

On 7/18/2021 at 7:12 AM, Wess said:

You vaccine Nazis

9 hours ago, Wess said:

You are just too stupid

3 hours ago, Wess said:

 you vaccine Nazis

Erm......

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Ever hear of a two way street. You get what you give. 

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