IStream 3,410 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 This one definitely deserves its own thread. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 old bloke without bikini wife buys yet another four knot shit box nothing to see here move on lads 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,410 Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 What about all the other old blokes without bikini wives who want to watch? It's a pandemic, please take pity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kimbottles 825 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Yeah, some of us think your videos are far superior to those silly young kids flittering around in skippy attire. My non bikini wife and I very much enjoy your vids. So glad you found your motorsailer!! 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I used to sail one of these then in mid life one of these now...... a telephone box on small tug 16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panope 584 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Most excellent, Dylan. I look forward to the forthcoming video of a fogbound fjord shot from the comfort of that wheel house. Is the outboard motor intended to be primary propulsion or secondary? Steve 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, Panope said: Most excellent, Dylan. I look forward to the forthcoming video of a fogbound fjord shot from the comfort of that wheel house. Is the outboard motor intended to be primary propulsion or secondary? Steve it is for two reasons the boat has not been to sea for five years - the engine has been run but there will be crud to stir up and I sail close to the edge when sailing. Twice a year I get fisherman's detritis and gear around my prop - not the same fisherman obviously he would be quite justified in being pissed off at me if it was always the same bloke the outboard gives me a plan B when the old volvo shits on me as sailing out of trouble would be a challenge in a tub called the whale I have done most of my sailing with an outbard bracket on the back and a long shaft slumbering aboard somewhere. It has saved me a lot of embarassment over the years. Being owed into port is too humiliating to contemplate D 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panope 584 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, dylan winter said: it is for two reasons the boat has not been to sea for five years - the engine has been run but there will be crud to stir up and I sail close to the edge when sailing. Twice a year I get fisherman's detritis and gear around my prop - not the same fisherman obviously he would be quite justified in being pissed off at me if it was always the same bloke the outboard gives me a plan B when the old volvo shits on me as sailing out of trouble would be a challenge in a tub called the whale I have done most of my sailing with an outbard bracket on the back and a long shaft slumbering aboard somewhere. It has saved me a lot of embarassment over the years. Being owed into port is too humiliating to contemplate D Cool. Maybe outboard could also be used on a shore boat. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Panope said: Cool. Maybe outboard could also be used on a shore boat. Steve 6hp long shaft tohatsu on the 9 foot clinker tender would be a challenge D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jim in Halifax 593 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 In the other thread, you mention launching, coming down the North Sea, and eventually into the Deben and home...where is the boat lying and how long do you anticipate the delivery will take? Delivery crew? I assume you will be documenting this first adventure in the whale...we shall look forward to it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jim in Halifax said: In the other thread, you mention launching, coming down the North Sea, and eventually into the Deben and home...where is the boat lying and how long do you anticipate the delivery will take? Delivery crew? I assume you will be documenting this first adventure in the whale...we shall look forward to it! it is about 330 miles from Blyth - near newcastle to the Deben first bit is day hops - lots of places to stop after the humber it gets a bit harder but two days and one night should do that bit I have three days of sea trials this week so will see what progres I can expect during daylight hours and how easy she is to single hand light at six am - dark at 8pm - but daylight hours dropping fast I would rather not be arsing around in the dark in the north sea too much. But I have time to sit in port waiting for the weather windows. as this is the east coast and westerlies are prevailing here it is generally sheltered and not too many lee shores. D 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 following my post on here PF has offered to send me a Maxie Metho with a grill he has had floating around his shed all the way from Tassie the web can be a wonderfully heart warming thing I promise to keep it clean and cook only gourmet food on it as well as grilled cheese on toast baked beans and Fray Bentos pies flat chips egg banjos D 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2airishuman 324 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 3 hours ago, dylan winter said: 6hp long shaft tohatsu on the 9 foot clinker tender would be a challenge D You could always make a higher transom. I have a longshaft/high transom project going on now albeit on a 12 footer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fah Kiew Tu 3,214 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, dylan winter said: following my post on here PF has offered to send me a Maxie Metho with a grill he has had floating around his shed all the way from Tassie the web can be a wonderfully heart warming thing I promise to keep it clean and cook only gourmet food on it as well as grilled cheese on toast baked beans and Fray Bentos pies flat chips egg banjos D They're nice little stoves. I 'modified' one (or a very similar unit) not so long ago for Troy & Pascale of Free Range Sailing. We took the griller part off to reduce the height. FKT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
olaf hart 779 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Sweet Hart is pleased her broccoli have made it to Sailing Anarchy.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamz 9 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Beautiful boat. Love it. I like me a proud, tiny motorsailer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Congratulations Dylan. That looks like the class of boat that you said you wanted a few years ago and it has a heater. Woohoo ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kris Cringle 2,153 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 This is great news, Dylan! I can hardly wait for your films. You have some fettlin' to do by the sounds. Knowing how you feel about fettlin',...I am concerned about that so please post the problems. We may supply the needed therapy you'll require to get through this stage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ajax 2,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 16 hours ago, dylan winter said: old bloke without bikini wife buys yet another four knot shit box nothing to see here move on lads Oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no, we're going to have great fun with this. "interior walls like a chip shop." I died laughing when I read that. I observed the green paint of a Volvo inboard. Yuck. You do realize you could have applied anti-foul 3X faster with a roller than that itty bitty chip brush, right? If that plotter is functional and has charts of a reasonable age, I'd think carefully before removing it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elegua 1,840 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Did it come with a bog brush? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jim in Halifax 593 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 ^^^ LMAO! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SemiSalt 282 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 In your place, I'd be tempted to remove everything not bolted down, and only put back what you want or need. But, you might need a dumpster to hold it all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,410 Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Elegua said: Did it come with a bog brush? How do you think the interior got so sticky? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
usedtobeoldestsailor 26 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Good on ya Dylan, really looking forward to following this. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Ajax said: Oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no, we're going to have great fun with this. "interior walls like a chip shop." I died laughing when I read that. I observed the green paint of a Volvo inboard. Yuck. You do realize you could have applied anti-foul 3X faster with a roller than that itty bitty chip brush, right? If that plotter is functional and has charts of a reasonable age, I'd think carefully before removing it. lenovo tablet seems to do it all and play music at the same time D 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,537 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, SemiSalt said: In your place, I'd be tempted to remove everything not bolted down, and only put back what you want or need. But, you might need a dumpster to hold it all. The first thing I do with every new boat. It's amazing the amount of useless crap that accumulates on a neglected boat. I filled multiple dumpsters with the crap from a 43' I bought once. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
efrank 134 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Love the boat. Sorry if I missed it, but what is the make and model? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kris Cringle 2,153 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Fishcer 25. We need a drawing. I find this an amazingly clever layout in 25 feet of boat. 3D using varying levels, brilliant. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, Kris Cringle said: Fishcer 25. We need a drawing. I find this an amazingly clever layout in 25 feet of boat. 3D using varying levels, brilliant. Engine access is a nightmare though Three hatches in the floor under the wheel House It is like working down a man hole Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ajax 2,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 There's always a compromise. You mentioned sticking and outboard on the stern. Is that supplemental or meant as a total replacement for the inboard? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elegua 1,840 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, Kris Cringle said: Fishcer 25. We need a drawing. I find this an amazingly clever layout in 25 feet of boat. 3D using varying levels, brilliant. Cool boat! Didn't Dylan look at one of these on his trip to Scotland? Seems the perfect vessel for sailing up North in the Summer. I'd be loathe to get rid of the in-board and that prop that's so nicely deep in the water. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, Elegua said: Cool boat! Didn't Dylan look at one of these on his trip to Scotland? Seems the perfect vessel for sailing up North in the Summer. I'd be loathe to get rid of the in-board and that prop that's so nicely deep in the water. Engine is staying The outboard is for when the valve does what valves inevitably do D 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
py26129 175 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, dylan winter said: Engine access is a nightmare though Three hatches in the floor under the wheel House It is like working down a man hole I know the feeling. When we bought our Island Packet 31 tub, I was most impressed with the access via the lifting cockpit floor. Then I found out that working on the engine requires one to dive in head first while supporting one's weight with one hand. Grrrrr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
efrank 134 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Kris Cringle said: Fishcer 25. We need a drawing. I find this an amazingly clever layout in 25 feet of boat. 3D using varying levels, brilliant. Thank you Kris! I like it even more after seeing the drawing. Although being 6'4" I think I would have to go full fetal to fit in the v birth. Considering where Dylan sails though, that may be a feature. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,370 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, efrank said: 1 hour ago, Kris Cringle said: Thank you Kris! I like it even more after seeing the drawing. Although being 6'4" I think I would have to go full fetal to fit in the v birth. Considering where Dylan sails though, that may be a feature. In the years-ago, I remember seeing pics of a catamaran built of two Fishers bolted together. Now I know what to get you for Christmas! Didn't increase the V-berth space though. FB- Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Willin' 1,691 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Our dock neighbor in SoCal lived aboard his Fischer 25 for many years. Nice size for a single guy without too much stuff to live aboard. One day he invited us out for a day sail around Anacapa Island. It was a beautiful, flat 12 knots from the west day and after 3 hours we were only halfway to the island 12 miles offshore. In our H-28 in those conditions we would have already rounded the island and been well into the channel homeward by then. We politely asked him to fire up the deisel and head in as we had plans for supper that night. Nice boat, well conceived and executed, and perhaps even fun to sail in a gale, but otherwise it's a motorboat IMHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 24 minutes ago, Willin' said: Our dock neighbor in SoCal lived aboard his Fischer 25 for many years. Nice size for a single guy without too much stuff to live aboard. One day he invited us out for a day sail around Anacapa Island. It was a beautiful, flat 12 knots from the west day and after 3 hours we were only halfway to the island 12 miles offshore. In our H-28 in those conditions we would have already rounded the island and been well into the channel homeward by then. We politely asked him to fire up the deisel and head in as we had plans for supper that night. Nice boat, well conceived and executed, and perhaps even fun to sail in a gale, but otherwise it's a motorboat IMHO. Speed has not been important since I stopped racing I am a patient man I sailed the slug for 5 years Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, dylan winter said: Engine is staying The outboard is for when the valve does what valves inevitably do D I meant volvo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,410 Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 If she sucks a valve, you'll be doubly right. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, IStream said: If she sucks a valve, you'll be doubly right. Volvos suck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Sox 1,125 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 hours ago, dylan winter said: Engine access is a nightmare though Three hatches in the floor under the wheel House It is like working down a man hole You need a gynaecologist, those guys can wallpaper a hall, stairs and landing through the letterbox. Your engine would be no problem. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDragon 898 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Amazingly good price for an essentially brand new boat, if you are into this. https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2018/fisher-25-3238864/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 5,159 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 hours ago, dylan winter said: Volvos suck Only if they have a turbo..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
olaf hart 779 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Turbos blow... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,410 Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 I have one. I wish I didn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, olaf hart said: Turbos blow... Can something blow without sucking Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, IStream said: I have one. I wish I didn't. If it craps out on me I will probably convert to electric 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,537 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 hours ago, dylan winter said: Volvos suck Old big flywheel Volvo's were great - except for that weird dynastarter and of course their extortionate parts prices. To my mind they were what a marine diesel should be - heavy, slow turning lunkers with a monster flywheel to smooth things out 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fah Kiew Tu 3,214 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, dylan winter said: If it craps out on me I will probably convert to electric I'd really, really like to see you do that. For a person who self-confessed hates 'fettling' any such conversion attempt will be hugely entertaining. And when you're finished - if ever - you'll be able to enjoy maybe 20nm of range under power, in a boat designed to be a motor-sailer. FKT 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fah Kiew Tu 3,214 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, SloopJonB said: Old big flywheel Volvo's were great - except for that weird dynastarter and of course their extortionate parts prices. To my mind they were what a marine diesel should be - heavy, slow turning lunkers with a monster flywheel to smooth things out Pretty much why I bought a Bukh. FKT 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corryvreckan 351 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Congrats Dylan - she bears a delightful resemblance to a Bob Perry cartoon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, SloopJonB said: Old big flywheel Volvo's were great - except for that weird dynastarter and of course their extortionate parts prices. To my mind they were what a marine diesel should be - heavy, slow turning lunkers with a monster flywheel to smooth things out My md1 had a flywheel that would do justice to a tractor It would also run at v low revs V useful given that the cones were stuck in fwd gear Made coming into a marina berth a ticklish affair d the dynastart was horrible Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Just now, Corryvreckan said: Congrats Dylan - she bears a delightful resemblance to a Bob Perry cartoon And will sail almost as well D 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,410 Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, SloopJonB said: Old big flywheel Volvo's were great - except for that weird dynastarter and of course their extortionate parts prices. To my mind they were what a marine diesel should be - heavy, slow turning lunkers with a monster flywheel to smooth things out Same thing with those Ford Lehman 4 and 6 cyls. Stone axe technology that just won't die. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 2,238 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Congrats on the new boat, Dylan. ideal for your purpose. A winter of fettling, and then come the spring you can be off filming again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 11 hours ago, IStream said: Same thing with those Ford Lehman 4 and 6 cyls. Stone axe technology that just won't die. the volvos rot from the inside outwards and volvo parts are made of unobtainium I worked as a tractor and forklift mechanic for a couple of summers so easy to work on no bilges to lose stuff in for starters D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muddy Saltwaters 10 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 This is the best news in sailing documentary filmmaking ever. Very pleased for you. Hope it all goes smoothly. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Lucky One 65 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Very happy to see you back, Dylan. Ought to be a bit more dry than the cockpit of a Centaur, though getting to the back end of my MD2B feels the same. I just lay down in the cockpit and work halfway upside down, best with a lady friend to pass tools down and what not. Quality relationship time. Good luck on the clutter. I've been clearing stuff out of the Centaur for six months now, and still sorting out the wheat from the chaf. Found leather cup seals for the hand pump on the kerosene heater's tank yesterday... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kris Cringle 2,153 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 8 hours ago, dylan winter said: the volvos rot from the inside outwards and volvo parts are made of unobtainium I worked as a tractor and forklift mechanic for a couple of summers so easy to work on no bilges to lose stuff in for starters D Is there reason to believe the Volvo has problems? What are the details (age, history), of this engine? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Just now, Kris Cringle said: Is there reason to believe the Volvo has problems? What are the details (age, history), of this engine? 1998, volvo 2030 2,500 hours indirect cooling new exhaust elbow not run at sea for seven years I am expecting the fuel supply to give me gyp no glass water trap, no fuel guage fingers crossed = and god bless the tohatsu - which is now in the back of the prius and will be driven to northumberland in the morning hopefully the new outboard bracket will be delivered to the marina weds and I can drill soome holes in the transom launching at 5.30 in the evening mankie weather thursday/friday so I will head out into the north sea and give the boat a bit of a thrashing - see if anything is minded to break D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kris Cringle 2,153 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, dylan winter said: 1998, volvo 2030 2,500 hours indirect cooling new exhaust elbow not run at sea for seven years I am expecting the fuel supply to give me gyp no glass water trap, no fuel guage fingers crossed = and god bless the tohatsu - which is now in the back of the prius and will be driven to northumberland in the morning hopefully the new outboard bracket will be delivered to the marina weds and I can drill soome holes in the transom launching at 5.30 in the evening mankie weather thursday/friday so I will head out into the north sea and give the boat a bit of a thrashing - see if anything is minded to break D You could have a good one there. Not that old, not that many hours. It may have survived the storage period unscathed. Have you been able to start it or are you waiting to launch? The outboard bracket is a smart insurance move. I found a shot of access from above. Doesn't look too bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Kris Cringle said: You could have a good one there. Not that old, not that many hours. It may have survived the storage period unscathed. Have you been able to start it or are you waiting to launch? The outboard bracket is a smart insurance move. I heard it start from cold and fired right up after two seconds of cranking - this was ashore - so not run long enough to get hot. it was the only thing I asked the owner to do - the rest I can see for myself I am a bit of a pessimist with inboards I remember staring down at the broken MD1 through cockpit hatch the dimensions of a teatray on the mirror offshore and having no idea how to get the spares other than buy another dead engine and cannibalising the two bastard things I prefer outboards in wells because you can just go buy another one from ebay - and carry a spare but I hope the engine should be okay - heat exchanger and not yet that old fingers crossed D 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,410 Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 A well-found inboard diesel is wonderful thing. Here's my drill with a new-to-me diesel: Replace everything made of rubber (belts, hoses, impeller) Pickle the heat exchanger Sort out the fuel filter setup and make sure you have an easy way to bleed air out of the fuel lines Clean and coat the starter and alternator electrical connections Change the oil and filter, run her hard for 30 minutes, and change them again After that, you're very likely to enjoy thousands of trouble-free hours with just the usual oil and impeller changes. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jim in Halifax 593 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, dylan winter said: I heard it start from cold and fired right up after two seconds of cranking - this was ashore - so not run long enough to get hot. it was the only thing I asked the owner to do - the rest I can see for myself I am a bit of a pessimist with inboards [...] bastard things[...] but I hope the engine should be okay - heat exchanger and not yet that old fingers crossed D I love a good diesel...or getting an old diesel purring again. Just my outlook. I had a Volvo MD6A that everyone told me was junk; it was reborn and is still going strong 20 years later AFAIK. The only complaint I had with Volvo was the cost of parts, but they were cheaper in the UK at that time, as I recall. I prefer Yanmar nowadays but I wouldn't give up on a Volvo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Just now, Jim in Halifax said: I love a good diesel...or getting an old diesel purring again. Just my outlook. I had a Volvo MD6A that everyone told me was junk; it was reborn and is still going strong 20 years later AFAIK. The only complaint I had with Volvo was the cost of parts, but they were cheaper in the UK at that time, as I recall. I prefer Yanmar nowadays but I wouldn't give up on a Volvo. I will not give up on it until it gives up on me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andykane 195 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I think the 2030 is based on a Perkins industrial diesel, so you might be able to track down some reasonably priced spares - unlike the old Volvos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kris Cringle 2,153 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, dylan winter said: I heard it start from cold and fired right up after two seconds of cranking - this was ashore - so not run long enough to get hot. D That it started right up means a great deal. I feel good about this one,.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kris Cringle said: That it started right up means a great deal. I feel good about this one,.... the volvo in the first centaur needed a lot of heat and 20 seconds of agonising cranking the second centaur had a one hour old beta that started right away this 20 year old lump kicked into life just as quickly - so I am optimistic but also pessimistic too I have also got used to having a boat free of the reek of diesel while sailing the traiiler sailer which had petrol and meths on board but no diesel this one smells like an oil refinery D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jim in Halifax 593 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Ah, the smell of diesel in the morning... I don't mind it actually - too much time spent on offshore oil rigs. For me will always be the smell of money and making a decent wage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
olaf hart 779 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 The VP 2030 is a great engine, Perkins base. Not surprisingly I also have a spare one in my shed Dylan... My local boat has a 2003 on a saildrive, the 2030 is a direct replacement if the old motor ever plays up, I am not wasting my money on repairing a 2003. If the PO started your 2030 up without connecting the cooling water, the impeller will be toast.... I am really a Yanmar guy, but living with a Volvo has been interesting, they have their quirks but are surprisingly good engines. The story I heard to explain their market share is that builders don’t have to pay VP for the motor until the boat is sold, so they get credit right through the build and commissioning period. Then VP has a captive owner to milk for the rest of the boats life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 It would be a good idea to hire a fuel polisher to clean your tanks. There is bound to be plenty of goop in there and probably a little water too. The machines those guys use clean both the tank itself and the fuel in it. Even if the fuel is 7 years old you can still use it after polishing. The process will also remove whatever water is in the tanks. Drain and refill the separator bowl, change the impeller, replace the filter and you should be good to go. Saying that the engine runs well on land doesn't cut it. As soon as the boat starts bouncing around on the ocean the goop will lift up into suspension and clog the filter. I agree that you should replace everything made of rubber and you should also pull out the heat exchanger and clean it. There is bound to be a pile of salt scale in there. I have been through this routine. My boat had been sitting in a yard for 3 years when I bought it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 8,370 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 ^ this ^ A good fuel filter, that can be easily accessed and filter changed and water seperator bowl drained, is really a must-have on a boat that relies on a diesel engine. Not a bad idea for gasoline engines, either, but really important for diesels. I'm constantly amazed at the number of cruisers with persistent fuel problems who chase after some magic pill instead of fixing the basics. FB- Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
olaf hart 779 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Even better, two fuel filters and a couple of two way taps, so you can change elements on the move and replace them at your leisure. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,537 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, dylan winter said: the volvo in the first centaur needed a lot of heat and 20 seconds of agonising cranking the second centaur had a one hour old beta that started right away this 20 year old lump kicked into life just as quickly - so I am optimistic but also pessimistic too I have also got used to having a boat free of the reek of diesel while sailing the traiiler sailer which had petrol and meths on board but no diesel this one smells like an oil refinery D If you can smell diesel then you have a leak. Fix it. No smell. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,410 Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, dylan winter said: the volvo in the first centaur needed a lot of heat and 20 seconds of agonising cranking the second centaur had a one hour old beta that started right away this 20 year old lump kicked into life just as quickly - so I am optimistic but also pessimistic too I have also got used to having a boat free of the reek of diesel while sailing the traiiler sailer which had petrol and meths on board but no diesel this one smells like an oil refinery D With a clean bilge and a fuel system that doesn't leak, you should never smell diesel inside the boat. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elegua 1,840 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, IStream said: With a clean bilge and a fuel system that doesn't leak, you should never smell diesel inside the boat. If you have a puke bottle, re-breather on an older unit or a very good engine fan. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IStream 3,410 Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 Good point. I've always had a factory or self-installed re-breather. It's a simple thing to add and makes a big difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bull City 2,577 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Reminds me of the Eastward Ho 24. Kinda, sorta. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Sox 1,125 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 11 hours ago, dylan winter said: I will not give up on it until it gives up on me Pretty much mirrors Jill’s approach to her long-term project, one imagines, however hopeless from the start. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
savoir 219 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Here is some of the goop that came out of one of my tanks. You don't want this much clogging thee fuel lines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ajax 2,960 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, savoir said: Here is some of the goop that came out of one of my tanks. You don't want this much clogging thee fuel lines. Savoir is absolutely correct. @dylan winter, you hate fettling. In order to minimize the amount of fettling that you'll have to do to the engine, clean the fuel, clean the tank, replace the filters and carry plenty of spare filters. Based on the fact that the engine started and ran easily, if you just clean the fuel, the tank and replace the filters you might forestall any other corrective maintenance. I will say that my boat sat on the hard for 6 years with 1/4 tank of diesel in it. That means lots of empty volume for water condensation to accumulate over the years. Like you, I had the owner perform a very brief engine test on the hard. The engine fired up in 3 revolutions and I was stunned. I had him shut it down after just a few minutes. I pumped out the remaining fuel, swabbed out the tank, replaced the filters before launching the boat and I've had nothing but happy times for the last 4 years. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kris Cringle 2,153 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 It doesn't sound like Dylan has that much time. All good advice on fuel but why assume the tank is dirty? If he has no gauge then perhaps he has a fill pipe that you 'stick' to check fuel tank contents. If so, he could easily run a hose down the fill pipe that is attached to a drill pump, find the bottom or lowest corner, and pull out a pint or so from the bottom into a clear container. That would tell him if he had water or other contamination. I had to remove the fuel sender and run a hose down to the bottom of my tanks. They had not been cleaned for at least 30 years and spend most of the year varying between 1/2 and full. I pumped from the lowest crevice the stiff hose could find and filled a couple of coke bottles full. This is one of the samples. Maybe it's our colder climate but I've never had problems with growth type contaminations in diesel tanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ajax 2,960 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Yes, it's a shame that he's under pressure from a schedule. Your advice to plumb the tank for a sample is the next best thing to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
olaf hart 779 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Kris Cringle said: It doesn't sound like Dylan has that much time. All good advice on fuel but why assume the tank is dirty? If he has no gauge then perhaps he has a fill pipe that you 'stick' to check fuel tank contents. If so, he could easily run a hose down the fill pipe that is attached to a drill pump, find the bottom or lowest corner, and pull out a pint or so from the bottom into a clear container. That would tell him if he had water or other contamination. I had to remove the fuel sender and run a hose down to the bottom of my tanks. They had not been cleaned for at least 30 years and spend most of the year varying between 1/2 and full. I pumped from the lowest crevice the stiff hose could find and filled a couple of coke bottles full. This is one of the samples. Maybe it's our colder climate but I've never had problems with growth type contaminations in diesel tanks. If you can see inside the tank, even through a small hole, an oil suction extractor pump on a bit of aluminium pipe does the trick. I have a removable port, and suck out all of the crappy fuel I can see, but if I didn’t have a port I could do the job through a small opening with the help of an endoscopic camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ajax 2,960 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I did it by removing my fuel tank level sender and snapping photos with my phone camera pressed against the opening. I was able to cran the camera around several different angles for a complete view of the tank. You can probably buy a cheap, endo cam that connects to your phone on Amazon now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 12,537 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Ajax said: Yes, it's a shame that he's under pressure from a schedule. Old saying - the most dangerous thing on a boat is a calendar. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan winter 1,960 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 It floats, does not leak yet, windy wet shitty day for a boat launch https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_EgqWlMXgX8 Now down below on pontoon in blyth Harbour Fan heater, good WiFi The rain is pounding on the windows About to start sympathetically sifting the remains of another man's marine gubbins while healthily eating gouda and ryevita the previous owner single handed her to shetland when he was 72 Goodonim D 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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