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Like Robin Williams said about cocaine - "It's God's way of telling you that you have too much money".

Anyone who would buy something like that has got some serious psychological issues.

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A few places it can't go with 107m high mast: 

San Francisco Golden Gate Bridge = 67m

Bridge of the Americas (Panama Canal) = 61m

Verazanno = 70m so no bright lights of NY for you

QE bridge (into London) = 58m

I'm sure there are more. Sucks to be so rich that your boat don't fit

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24 minutes ago, Zonker said:

A few places it can't go with 107m high mast: 

San Francisco Golden Gate Bridge = 67m

Bridge of the Americas (Panama Canal) = 61m

Verazanno = 70m so no bright lights of NY for you

QE bridge (into London) = 58m

I'm sure there are more. Sucks to be so rich that your boat don't fit

The fact that it would not clear the Verrazano Bridge by about 123 feet is ridiculous

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80T tug rental - about $1500/hr in NYC.   Thinking about it, I wonder if an 80T tug would be enough to even do the job...

 

I was at a talk by Ron Holland about Mirabella V (mast height 89m). One of the things they hadn't thought about was "how do you get the forestay clevis pin?". This was by far the biggest boat he had designed.

Because the chainplate was hidden belowdeck to get the furler low, it was in a little pocket. Only enough room for 1 guy. Clevis Pin was 60 or 70 lbs or kg (can't recall). Guy couldn't pick it while trying to align the holes at the same time.  Needed an extra crane to pick up the clevis pin. 

These are the sort of things you don't think about when you scale up a thing to a larger % than what you have done before. Stuff bites you because the jump in size is considerable and beyond your experience.

"Well the mast whistles because the top is so high it's in the jet stream, which causes a low pressure area to suck noise through the halyard exit slots". Stuff like that. Scale effects are interesting.

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1 hour ago, Son of a Sailor said:

The fact that it would not clear the Verrazano Bridge by about 123 feet is ridiculous

To overcome the air height issue you simple build a few boats.. one for touring the Atlantic , one for the pacific , one for the Indian Ocean ...

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It will be "for sale" one week after the new owner takes delivery.

Charter for some reasonable weekly rate of many decimal points.

Where it goes doesn't matter.  This is for bragging rights only in the elite upper echelons of society.

Enjoy it if it gets built.  Keeps lots of people employed.  People who buy this sort of thing look at expenses like this as sofa cushion money and a tax dodge since it is for charter purposes.

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8 minutes ago, Windward said:

It will be "for sale" one week after the new owner takes delivery.

Charter for some reasonable weekly rate of many decimal points.

Where it goes doesn't matter.  This is for bragging rights only in the elite upper echelons of society.

Enjoy it if it gets built.  Keeps lots of people employed.  People who buy this sort of thing look at expenses like this as sofa cushion money and a tax dodge since it is for charter purposes.

Yah, after a season or two  the new GIGA yacht  becomes faceless and disappears into charter 

time to upgrade to  BIGGA yacht 

 

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Those jumbos are obnoxious  to sail 

a mate of mine runs a jumbo 

close reaching in the carribean at 20 knots  creates so much apparent  wind on deck that guests sunglasses get blown off their faces 

crew must glue their baseball caps to the top of their heads and talk via headphone mic setups 

 

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Just now, slug zitski said:

Those jumbos are obnoxious  to sail 

a mate of mine runs a jumbo 

close reaching in the carribean at 20 knots  creates so much apparent  wind on deck that guests sunglasses get blown off their faces 

crew must glue their baseball caps to the top of their heads and talk via headphone mic setups 

 

Can you imagine going to weather? Must feel like being on a skyscraper during an earthquake and a hurricane. 

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3 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Like Robin Williams said about cocaine - "It's God's way of telling you that you have too much money".

Anyone who would buy something like that has got some serious psychological issues.

Or a little dick

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4 hours ago, Zonker said:

A few places it can't go with 107m high mast: 

San Francisco Golden Gate Bridge = 67m

Bridge of the Americas (Panama Canal) = 61m

Verazanno = 70m so no bright lights of NY for you

QE bridge (into London) = 58m

I'm sure there are more. Sucks to be so rich that your boat don't fit

Not to mention that IT (too dumb to be a SHE) does not fit in the fancy Mediterranean ports, and there is no helipad, so when they fancy a few spins of the roulette, they will have to arrive in Monaco in a drab, proletarian motorboat.

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Maybe the lonely lady made the mistake of eating shrooms and in the lapse of four hours realized how empty her life is, that her friends are only interested in her money, and her husband cannot explain their children what he does.  Yep, she is ready to jump.

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1 hour ago, SeattleB said:

When so many people are struggling right now, this just reeks of stupidity and arrogance.  

So the mega rich should just hang on to their money?

What a dumb arse leftist idiot.

If it was to start being built now, thousands of people will be employed in the yard and all of the businesses that support the build. Then there are the taxes paid by these employees which will help finance the people less fortunate. We need more mega rich ordering new boats, supercars, jets and mansions because their construction puts money into the economy.

 

 

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1 hour ago, The Dark Knight said:

So the mega rich should just hang on to their money?

What a dumb arse leftist idiot.

If it was to start being built now, thousands of people will be employed in the yard and all of the businesses that support the build. Then there are the taxes paid by these employees which will help finance the people less fortunate. We need more mega rich ordering new boats, supercars, jets and mansions because their construction puts money into the economy.

 

 

Drinking a little too hard on trickle down nonsense!

Employing a few hundred or even a few thousand people for a few years does not make for sustainable economic growth....

 

The boat is vaporware anyway!

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1 hour ago, The Dark Knight said:

So the mega rich should just hang on to their money?

What a dumb arse leftist idiot.

If it was to start being built now, thousands of people will be employed in the yard and all of the businesses that support the build. Then there are the taxes paid by these employees which will help finance the people less fortunate. We need more mega rich ordering new boats, supercars, jets and mansions because their construction puts money into the economy.

You sound like JerKZ younger brother.

"Think of all the serfs they provide work for".

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7 hours ago, Black Sox said:

What’s her draft? There are some so-called super yachts, small ships really, that can’t get into nice places like Monaco. Wouldn’t that suck?

Easily solved. Just anchor off and have Monaco flown out to the boat. Monaco's really not that big.

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26 minutes ago, See Level said:

Serf wages and lifestyle seems to be a lot better these days.

 

https://www.crew4crew.net/discover/index.php/discover/yacht-crew-salaries

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In us dollars Those numbers are generally correct 

add in health insurance , plus expenses 

then consider   Nationality and income tax  savings 

It’s  common on many yachts to received 13 months salary , the extra month is a pension contribution 

rich folks spread  plenty of money around 

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6 hours ago, Liquid said:

Drinking a little too hard on trickle down nonsense!

Employing a few hundred or even a few thousand people for a few years does not make for sustainable economic growth....

But it's still better than if the rich Gits saved their money.

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On ‎9‎/‎23‎/‎2020 at 6:51 PM, Zonker said:

A few places it can't go with 107m high mast: 

San Francisco Golden Gate Bridge = 67m

Bridge of the Americas (Panama Canal) = 61m

Verazanno = 70m so no bright lights of NY for you

QE bridge (into London) = 58m

I'm sure there are more. Sucks to be so rich that your boat don't fit

They will use their dinghy. It will still be bigger than your sailboat and will have his own dinghy because why not.

 

22 hours ago, Alaris said:

Surprised they didn’t go for round numbers like 300’ LOA or 100M LOA. 279’ / 85M doesn’t have the same ring to it. 

85m is a common length for inland vessels and coasters.

 

 

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23 hours ago, slug zitski said:

Those boats consume many thousands of construction  man hours and millions in annual running costs 

Get your share of this cash and skip the guilt trip 

That old saw is just wrong in so many ways.

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On 9/23/2020 at 12:21 PM, Black Sox said:

What’s her draft? There are some so-called super yachts, small ships really, that can’t get into nice places like Monaco. Wouldn’t that suck?

Na, They simply take the 100' tender to the races..  You are so bourgeois...  sheesh...

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27 minutes ago, See Level said:

Ok, but I'm not signing up for the bowman position

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I would have killed to do that in me yut...  now, I back o da bus, you go son, and watch the 3rd spreader, she's alittle wably... ;) 

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On 9/23/2020 at 11:21 AM, Zonker said:

80T tug rental - about $1500/hr in NYC.   Thinking about it, I wonder if an 80T tug would be enough to even do the job...

 

I was at a talk by Ron Holland about Mirabella V (mast height 89m). One of the things they hadn't thought about was "how do you get the forestay clevis pin?". This was by far the biggest boat he had designed.

Because the chainplate was hidden belowdeck to get the furler low, it was in a little pocket. Only enough room for 1 guy. Clevis Pin was 60 or 70 lbs or kg (can't recall). Guy couldn't pick it while trying to align the holes at the same time.  Needed an extra crane to pick up the clevis pin. 

These are the sort of things you don't think about when you scale up a thing to a larger % than what you have done before. Stuff bites you because the jump in size is considerable and beyond your experience.

"Well the mast whistles because the top is so high it's in the jet stream, which causes a low pressure area to suck noise through the halyard exit slots". Stuff like that. Scale effects are interesting.

First world problems on steroids

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12 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

It's an idiots understanding of socioeconomics.

So all those employees work for free?  Cool!  
 

I’m not trying to argue in favor of the trickle down nonsense being effective on a large scale, but in specific situations, it’s technically correct. This boat is a perfect example. 

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14 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

But it's still better than if the rich Gits saved their money.

I suppose there's the third option of taxing them.

 

JUST KIDDING! Who in their right mind would argue that a 90% marginal tax rate on wealth above $100M makes any sense at all?

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10 minutes ago, IStream said:

I suppose there's the third option of taxing them.

 

JUST KIDDING! Who in their right mind would argue that a 90% marginal tax rate on wealth above $100M makes any sense at all?

Dwight D. Eisenhower

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Ok,

What's the over/under on the number of times this thing goes engine-off sailing (excluding the genset, of course) in its lifetime?   My guess is 25.

What's the over/under of the longest distance sailed on one sailing.  My guess is 50nm.

What are the dollar-per-mile-sailed costs going to total?  My guess is $200,000

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9 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

Ok,

What's the over/under on the number of times this thing goes engine-off sailing in its lifetime?   My guess is 25.

What's the over/under of the longest distance sailed on one sailing.  My guess is 50nm.

What are the dollar-per-mile-sailed costs going to total?  My guess is $200,000

Does the massive genset count in the over/under for motor off sailing?  I doubt that thing would ever move without at least a little diesel smoke coming out the back. 

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2 hours ago, Monkey said:

So all those employees work for free?  Cool!  
 

I’m not trying to argue in favor of the trickle down nonsense being effective on a large scale, but in specific situations, it’s technically correct. This boat is a perfect example. 

It’s amazing that some people here seem to struggle to understand that a boat like this will result in probably hundreds of lucrative contracts being signed by companies in Holland and around the world employing thousands. then there will be the full time jobs for the crew and so on.

much better than having the money sitting in a bank in a tax haven so that left idiots don’t get depressed by someone flaunting their wealth.

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1 hour ago, Left Shift said:

Dwight D. Eisenhower

Yeah, that fucking asshole was also an Anti – Fascist.  In fact, as Rush Chairman Eric Stratton once said, “Let me tell you about a few other anti-fascists – Air Marshal Arthur Tedder, Admiral Bertram Ramsay, General Walter Bedell Smith and Air Marshal Trafford Leigh-Mallory.

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30 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

It’s amazing that some people here seem to struggle to understand that a boat like this will result in probably hundreds of lucrative contracts being signed by companies in Holland and around the world employing thousands. then there will be the full time jobs for the crew and so on.

much better than having the money sitting in a bank in a tax haven so that left idiots don’t get depressed by someone flaunting their wealth.

Agreed, mega-yachts are at least one step above shoving $100,000,000 at an art dealer for a Picasso and putting it in a vault, in terms of "job creation". 

But they are a whole lot less societally useful than using that capital to venture a new idea, upgrade factories, pay your workers well, or, god forbid, pay your taxes and help rebuild our infrastructure.

Then...there's that little thing called "carbon footprint".  Yeah, that little lurking problem. 

A Picasso at least doesn't off gas very much.

 

But then, if Al Gore had a mega-yacht you'd probably cheer him on as well, as the benefactor of the working stiffs in boatyards worldwide.  Right?

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20 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

Agreed, mega-yachts are at least one step above shoving $100,000,000 at an art dealer for a Picasso and putting it in a vault, in terms of "job creation". 

But they are a whole lot less societally useful than using that capital to venture a new idea, upgrade factories, pay your workers well, or, god forbid, pay your taxes and help rebuild our infrastructure.

Then...there's that little thing called "carbon footprint".  Yeah, that little lurking problem. 

A Picasso at least doesn't off gas very much.

 

But then, if Al Gore had a mega-yacht you'd probably cheer him on as well, as the benefactor of the working stiffs in boatyards worldwide.  Right?

I think building this boat meets most of your criteria; (venture a new idea, upgrade factories, pay your workers well, or, god forbid, pay your taxes) 

Or use the left wing approach, Just have the government confiscate everybody's money (thru taxes) and they can doll it out to whomever they see fit?
Let me know how that works out for you.



 

 

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1 hour ago, woodpecker said:

It creates jobs, many many jobs. A great thing unless you are AOC.  

Not enough jobs to move any economic needle and if It did it does so for a very short time.

Simple concept: My economic outlook is not tied to the superyacht industry and neither are 99.95% of humans on this planet! Now, if you want to argue that it helps the Dutch economy OK....

 

Remember in the USA we still have a national minimum wage of $7.29. I dare any human to live on that in this country! Meanwhile, some douche that makes 500X,  while not paying taxes that his employee have to, is building a $400M yacht that rents for $4M/week....

Trickedown is a hoax! A very, very well played hoax!!!

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5 hours ago, 10thTonner said:

"There is always another billionaire out there with a smaller dick."
- Life Buoy 15

Indeed but with that kind of coin they can fix anything. They just get the next trophy bride to have a few stitches put in.

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18 minutes ago, woodpecker said:

I think building this boat meets most of your criteria; (venture a new idea, upgrade factories, pay your workers well, or, god forbid, pay your taxes) 

Or use the left wing approach, Just have the government confiscate everybody's money (thru taxes) and they can doll it out to whomever they see fit?
Let me know how that works out for you.



 

 

So, a sloop is a new idea?  And Royal Huisman built a new shed and retooled??  And which the port of convenience for are they going to register in to avoid taxes??? 

I'll grant you the workers are very likely paid well.  After all, it's a European yard in a country with a socialist government and strong unions, where they actually care about workers. 

Regarding your left-wing economic fantasy approach - LOfuckingL -  do you have a specific government in mind that does that?   Are you going to pick Cuba? 

You read that off a meme somewhere on 4chan or 8chan, didn't you?  

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4 hours ago, Monkey said:

So all those employees work for free?  Cool!  
 

I’m not trying to argue in favor of the trickle down nonsense being effective on a large scale, but in specific situations, it’s technically correct. This boat is a perfect example. 

You really chose your screen name well.

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2 hours ago, Monkey said:

Does the massive genset count in the over/under for motor off sailing?  I doubt that thing would ever move without at least a little diesel smoke coming out the back. 

A properly operating diesel produces no visible smoke or steam, but I get what you’re saying. 

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1 hour ago, Left Shift said:

But then, if Al Gore had a mega-yacht you'd probably cheer him on as well, as the benefactor of the working stiffs in boatyards worldwide.  Right?

Al Gore is a phony asshole who uses more energy to heat his fucking swimming pool - at one of his mansions - than my wife & I use in total.

And it's coal or nuke generated power to boot.

Takes limos and private jets to speaking engagements where he tells us peons that we will have to make do with less.

Fuck Al Gore - and his Internet.

 

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41 minutes ago, woodpecker said:

Or use the left wing approach, Just have the government confiscate everybody's money (thru taxes) and they can doll it out to whomever they see fit?
Let me know how that works out for you.

Works a lot better for us and the other commie/lefty developed nations than your system does for you.

You ain't in the Fifties anymore Toto

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4 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Al Gore is a phony asshole who uses more energy to heat his fucking swimming pool - at one of his mansions - than my wife & I use in total.

And it's coal or nuke generated power to boot.

Takes limos and private jets to speaking engagements where he tells us peons that we will have to make do with less.

Fuck Al Gore - and his Internet.

 

Glad you got that off your chest.  Whew.   

Lesson, always use a purple font when mentioning Al Gore.  

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24 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Works a lot better for us and the other commie/lefty developed nations than your system does for you.

You ain't in the Fifties anymore Toto

We are doing very well here. We have the lowest poverty rate, yes since the 5o's. But that not what the Left wants you to believe.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/200463/us-poverty-rate-since-1990/

Lower than Canada. 

https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/topics-start/poverty

You guys need to stop watching CNN.

 

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41 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Al Gore is a phony asshole who uses more energy to heat his fucking swimming pool - at one of his mansions - than my wife & I use in total.

And it's coal or nuke generated power to boot.

Takes limos and private jets to speaking engagements where he tells us peons that we will have to make do with less.

Fuck Al Gore - and his Internet.

 

Fuck you. Aren’t you a Canuck anyway? 

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

Al Gore is a phony asshole who uses more energy to heat his fucking swimming pool - at one of his mansions - than my wife & I use in total.

And it's coal or nuke generated power to boot.

Takes limos and private jets to speaking engagements where he tells us peons that we will have to make do with less.

Fuck Al Gore - and his Internet.

 

 

39 minutes ago, Al Paca said:

Fuck you. Aren’t you a Canuck anyway? 

 Why does my Irish friends need a Visa to enter your country? What are Canadians afraid of?

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, woodpecker said:

Tell me again why Canada won't open there borders up to Mexicans? Also why does my Irish friends need a Visa to enter your country? What are Canadians afraid of?

People like you and the elk.

 

Border Wall.jpeg

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5 hours ago, woodpecker said:

We are doing very well here. We have the lowest poverty rate, yes since the 5o's. But that not what the Left wants you to believe.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/200463/us-poverty-rate-since-1990/

How does a link to a graph that starts in 1990 prove that?

You should stop pecking at your wood.

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4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Border Wall.jpeg

 

3 hours ago, LionessRacing said:

Cute, to America, Canada is a cartoon. No need to waste effort depicting it,  your premier is a costumed clown show all on his own.

Apparently some Americans have the same notion as the above cartoon.

And to correct, the costumed ass clown is our Prime Minister.  Premier is a provincial leader rather than federal.

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11 hours ago, Monkey said:

So all those employees work for free?  Cool!  
 

I’m not trying to argue in favor of the trickle down nonsense being effective on a large scale, but in specific situations, it’s technically correct. This boat is a perfect example. 

And meaningless as well given all of your qualifiers above.

But hey, if you want to be a serf and gratefully exist on the scraps the wealthy people throw you, by all means go for it.

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44 minutes ago, Ed Lada said:

And meaningless as well given all of your qualifiers above.

But hey, if you want to be a serf and gratefully exist on the scraps the wealthy people throw you, by all means go for it.

Apparently you and Sloop missed the part where I said I’m NOT arguing in favor of the trickle down nonsense. I was pointing out that when people cherry pick small data sets, they’re technically not wrong. They ARE fooling themselves if they think it works as a full blown economic system though. 

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59 minutes ago, Monkey said:

Apparently you and Sloop missed the part where I said I’m NOT arguing in favor of the trickle down nonsense. I was pointing out that when people cherry pick small data sets, they’re technically not wrong. They ARE fooling themselves if they think it works as a full blown economic system though. 

And that's exactly why I said your post is essentially meaningless.  

If you had just said that 'trickle down' is bull shit and left it at that, that would have been fine. 

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11 hours ago, woodpecker said:

It creates jobs, many many jobs. A great thing unless you are AOC.  

In the Netherlands the employment in the superyacht construction industry is just 3.200, the entire marine leisure industry represents just under