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4 hours ago, DRIFTW00D said:

Got the app, I’m in the warm up 0$ to see what has changed before the big one. Me Rongo Rekohu SA

ZEZO  seems to need a update...

Hello,  I can't find you under that name......mind you, the search function on VR is almost as bad as the search function here!

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10 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said:

Mr Hog, long time no see.  You seem to have just left the Escort Frigate, how was the partying on board?

Yes long time no see.  The festivities were fantastic.  A proper send off. :lol:

WetHog  :ph34r:

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Mr t rAT your game boat name is? Porky who the f did u get up there last nigh? Jus keep it nice an slow for a while will wa... got a new free sail with some game money, a light gennaker last night, should a got a 0..note to self ; well never but sails after 9 pm

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If you plan to use Zezo for routing, here's a FAQ thread in the Zezo forum that should answer most of your questions about Zezo, as well as some questions about game mechanics, etc:

http://zezo.org/forum.pl?tid=7877

If Vendee will be your first time playing in a while (such as...  since the last Vendee) then some things have changed.  Here are a few key points that have changed in recent years...

  • The wind continuously evolves now with interpolations between GFS forecasts, rather than suddenly changing once every 6 or 12 hours.
  • If you don't buy a Full Pack, you'll have to obtain Cards.  You get two to start and then can open a barrel every 11 hours.  The barrel can give you two cards face-up, or three face-down.  The cards will be Autosails, Programmation, or Waypoints.  (If you've played with Help or Stealth cards before, those are gone).  I think all three functions have existed for years, and it's just the concept of needing to "play a card" to use a function that's relatively new...  so I'm not going to explain how each works.  I think the game has a tutorial for new users.
  • You can buy more cards using credits if necessary...  for example, if you need 3 programmations to sail through the night while sleeping, and only have one, you can buy a 5-pack using credits.  Which is fine if you have credits, but a bummer if you don't.  It's possible to spend real money to buy credits, but obviously preferable to avoid that.
  • Along those lines...  you can get credits for finishing races.  After you finish, go back into the finished race, and click the "Get" button next to the credit balance.  So...  if you're planning to do Vendee, and you want to be able to buy some Programmation cards, but you don't want to have to spend real money on credits, consider doing a couple races between now and then, even if you're starting the prologue late.  Consider buying zero sails and zero cards and just trying to get to the finish line.  Claim your credits for your finish position, and then have those available to spend on sails and/or cards for the real Vendee.
  • If you're thinking Full Pack for Vendee...  anticipate it'll cost a lot more than in the past.  I'm not sure what the Full Pack costs on a Category 1 event, because Cat 1 events are rare...  Probably somewhere in the US$28-35 range.  But if you have Full Pack, then Autosails is always on and you have unlimited Programmation and Waypoints.  The only limits are a cap of 9 Programmations or Waypoints at any particular time, and a general inability to use Programmation and Waypoints simultaneously.  I tend to buy Full Packs on inexpensive races with coastal racing where I'll want a lot of waypoints, and then I use the credits from those races to race without Full Packs on longer offshore events.  I'll probably break from that and buy the Full Pack for Vendee, just because it's the biggest event they do and I want to contend.

I can try to answer questions here, but please review both VR's own FAQ and tutorial and the Zezo FAQ linked above before posting questions.

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20 hours ago, DRIFTW00D said:

So Mom is Chrome the only browser that Zezo will open up on with the menu button showing in iPads / iPhones? Firefox and Safari don’t show the menu tab in iOS.

You're meant to download and use the app if you're on an IOS device.  It works much better that way anyway.  It won't run in Safari on IOS.  I don't know comprehensively what you can run it on if you want to avoid the app, but I know it'll work on Puffin.  I put Puffin on my phone a couple years ago when the app briefly had a fatal bug, to keep myself going until the bug was corrected.  But in my experience, everything was still sized for a larger screen, whereas the app is sized for the smaller screen.  Hence the app being preferable.

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RumHam here, will be joining for the Vendee. In races so far have not been aware that there are routing programs like Zezo so will be great start using that. Have just used what was available within the app. 

I've always kind of figured that if I can see @Your Mom, I must be doing something right. Thanks for posting the link to Zezo

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I'm @ "KR deCap" - following all of y'all in race. At present I'm midway betwixt Mudsailor and WetHog.

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Seems like almost half the time I log on to the app, the thing times out before opening the actual race page, whether on wifi or cell Are y'all experiencing the same?

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Apparently they just rolled out some changes in the last couple days.  They haven't communicated anything about it yet, but probably will eventually.  If you're doing the Vendee Prologue without the Full Pack, you will have noticed.  Also, if you're running the app on IOS or Android, it may not have updated there yet.  I'm not doing the prologue, but my understanding is...

-It forces you to enter the game in 3D mode, which is pretty much just an annoying delay.

-The card game is gone.  So if you never played with cards before and jump straight into Vendee and are confused by my comments in Post #10 about the card game...  don't worry about it.  That was something new since the last Vendee, but apparently now it's gone again.

-The BIG thing is with the programmation and waypoint schedulers.  The last couple years, everyone has had 9 slots for whichever they're doing (or 15 if you have the VIP monthly premium service, but I don't know of anyone who does).  So anyone could schedule 9 maneuvers or a string of 9 waypoints.  If you didn't pay for the Full Pack, you'd spend a card for each maneuver or waypoint.  If you had the Full Pack, you could do it freely up to the max of 9 at a time.  Apparently the change is...  With the card game gone, people who don't pay for the Full Pack are also feely able to schedule (good news) but...  with a max of 2 (bad news).

Most of the time in offshore races like Vendee, the limit of 2 actually won't be too much of a disadvantage, as long as you can connect a few times a day.  It'll be a bigger problem if you can only connect once or twice.  The main disadvantages will be in places like the doldrums, where you can incur rapid windshifts requiring a chain of scheduled maneuvers.  The real nightmare will be in other races, not Vendee...  Coastal races where you need a string of waypoints to properly navigate a shoreline, for example.  In races like that, Full Pack boats will have a huge advantage.

Anyway...  give this some thought before deciding whether or not to pay for a Full Pack.

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"If'n it ain't broke...".

None of that sounds like improvement - not for the players, at least...

Thanks for the heads up. I'm running the app on 'droid, haven't seen these changes that I have noticed.

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Hello,

Well done to Gufmeister AKA BigBalls for taking the win.  shockwave11 pipped me at the post by a cunning use of VMG as opposed to my random pointing at wide variety of targets.

Cambondunum_VSC and prowler_1-SA should be in soon, coming down opposite laylines, then a bit of a tussle between Me Rongo Rekohu SA in the north and KR de Cap coming along the middle with Sticky sniffing at their tails. WetHog-SA and hooperdrivestheboat are currently bringing up the rear.

I can't find SA_Mid or SA_ Mid or SA-Mid or any combination of these......

I'll be around to do the usual rankings if anyone is interested.  There doesn't seem to be the STUPID limit on number of friends so it may be easier this time around.

Standing by.

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16 hours ago, Your Mom said:

Apparently they just rolled out some changes in the last couple days.  They haven't communicated anything about it yet, but probably will eventually.  If you're doing the Vendee Prologue without the Full Pack, you will have noticed.  Also, if you're running the app on IOS or Android, it may not have updated there yet.  I'm not doing the prologue, but my understanding is...

-It forces you to enter the game in 3D mode, which is pretty much just an annoying delay.

-The card game is gone.  So if you never played with cards before and jump straight into Vendee and are confused by my comments in Post #10 about the card game...  don't worry about it.  That was something new since the last Vendee, but apparently now it's gone again.

-The BIG thing is with the programmation and waypoint schedulers.  The last couple years, everyone has had 9 slots for whichever they're doing (or 15 if you have the VIP monthly premium service, but I don't know of anyone who does).  So anyone could schedule 9 maneuvers or a string of 9 waypoints.  If you didn't pay for the Full Pack, you'd spend a card for each maneuver or waypoint.  If you had the Full Pack, you could do it freely up to the max of 9 at a time.  Apparently the change is...  With the card game gone, people who don't pay for the Full Pack are also feely able to schedule (good news) but...  with a max of 2 (bad news).

Most of the time in offshore races like Vendee, the limit of 2 actually won't be too much of a disadvantage, as long as you can connect a few times a day.  It'll be a bigger problem if you can only connect once or twice.  The main disadvantages will be in places like the doldrums, where you can incur rapid windshifts requiring a chain of scheduled maneuvers.  The real nightmare will be in other races, not Vendee...  Coastal races where you need a string of waypoints to properly navigate a shoreline, for example.  In races like that, Full Pack boats will have a huge advantage.

Anyway...  give this some thought before deciding whether or not to pay for a Full Pack.

Hooray pay to win!

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I found Mid by searching with:

(caps)SA(underscore)(space)mid

...altho I think Mid is spelled with a cap M in-game.

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11 hours ago, DtM said:

Is Mid in the right ocean !!!

 

10 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said:

....or the right planet???

cheeky fokers ...

17 minutes ago, CapnK said:

I found Mid by searching with:

(caps)SA(underscore)(space)mid

...altho I think Mid is spelled with a cap M in-game.

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2 days out :)

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+1 Mom just restarted in the new time wasting screen.. barrels gone, auto sail change is locked to 24 hr at a time PITA. May be a server space move to free up some files space with out adding new server space..I got a feeling there’s a game freeze up coming after the Vendee start!

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   the problems are here now, I can’t see any boat or even my boat settings and thus it’s Lat and Long by clicking on said boat. A to quick announcement said something about too many players, disabled features, new and too many changes.

Big BUGS in the game now, is a  update coming ? Paying players pleas bend over....to late yourve been f.‘Ed again

New problem no other boat on screen at login. Let’s see it’s dark here no ones sails after dark we will fix it Tomorrow ya tomorrow...

Question: Where is the logout button for the Vendee to switch to another game?

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37 minutes ago, DRIFTW00D said:

Question: Where is the logout button for the Vendee to switch to another game? 

Go back to the Home page via the 3 Bars Menu at top right.

Saw same "Too many players..." message on phone and features disabled; desktop not even logging in at all.

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On iPad Air 2 iOS 14 reloaded the app can not log in at all....So went to Wife’s iPad Air iOS 12.4.8 old app no changes card barrel still there ,logged in game  no update changes I set a slow waypoint to finish the prolog Vendee. On the other game the Genova tries  barrel still there. Set a program to get to the finish area. 

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1 hour ago, DRIFTW00D said:

On iPad Air 2 iOS 14 reloaded the app can not log in at all....So went to Wife’s iPad Air iOS 12.4.8 old app no changes card barrel still there ,logged in game  no update changes I set a slow waypoint to finish the prolog Vendee. On the other game the Genova tries  barrel still there. Set a program to get to the finish area. 

Right now it looks like I'll be coming in about 10 minutes after you finish. :)

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Finally found SA_ m(M)id - proves he is in the correct ocean, just not the right part of it! :ph34r:

Final places from me:

Rank SA Name Boat Name DTF Days Hours Minutes Seconds
1 Gufmiester BigBalls   9 7 26 16
2 Blue Mountain YC  shockwave11   0 0 30 21
3 Tunnel Rat Mongrel   0 0 35 18
4 Marty6 Cambodunum   0 9 33 36
5 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA   0 10 22 56
6 Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA   1 3 29 14
7 CapnK KR deCap   1 4 2 20
8 mad Sticky 16.96        
9 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 99.4        
10 TPG hooperdrivestheboat 113.9        
11 Mid SA_ Mid 186.1        
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I may be missing something completely obvious here... I've finished the Vendee Prologue and had a notification saying that my reward credits were available. However when I open the app I can't see anything to collect the credits that I've been awarded. 

Can anyone point me in the right direction? 

Cheers 

Tris 

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1 hour ago, Tris.c said:

I may be missing something completely obvious here... I've finished the Vendee Prologue and had a notification saying that my reward credits were available. However when I open the app I can't see anything to collect the credits that I've been awarded. 

Can anyone point me in the right direction? 

Cheers 

Tris 

If you check the VR forums, you'll see multiple threads from people who are angry about recent changes.  Some of it is about the issue you're describing.  I'm not sure if they intend to fix that or if they consider it to be correct as-is and are now expecting people to pay for every credit.

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Is it because I started late...? When I first checked in yesterday post-finish, it had me ranked at 11,000-something for the Prologue race. Later I noticed that number kept rising, and today my rank is 20,000-something. I don't think that it matters - or does it WRT these "credits"? Just wondering...

VR could use some help on the Documentation end of things, eh? As large as they are, it sure seems like they'd be making enough money to pay someone for that.

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VR produces a good game, but is awful at communication.

And they have a habit of rolling out adjustments just before a major race (Vendee, VOR, etc) without communication and without any evidence of anticipating bugs.

New users freak out.  Experienced but recent users who are emotionally invested in the game get angry and some quit.  More deeply experienced users who have chosen to stick with it go into a mindset of "here we go again, I guess it's been a few months so we were due.  Let me see if I can figure out what's going on and managed as best I can until they fix the bugs".

I'm confident their first priority right now is to resolve user interface bugs ASAP, before they open Vendee for registration.  Secondary priorities would be to solve whatever's wrong with the Prologue's credits and final rankings, and probably be to update their FAQ pages to align with the recent changes, hopefully also before Vendee starts.  But I doubt they'll ever actually publish anything to summarize what changed, as they should have done before launching the change.

Regarding the fears at the start of Vendee...  I'm confident they're making a hard push to resolve all gameplay related bugs before then, and will likely have it running smoothly.  The biggest problems there will be confusion about the definition of "running smoothly" in absence of communication.  But...  Those who did some of the older virtual VORs will remember server crashes at the starts of VOR legs.  VR went to a cloud model a couple years ago.  I believe they can ramp up server capacity temporarily for the starts of large races like Vendee.  I haven't seen the game crash at a start recently, so I'm optimistic that it won't be a problem.  But...  can't say I'm 100% confident.  Back in the older VOR days, I'd have said 50/50 on a server crash at the start.  Now I'd say maybe 15/85.  Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.  Watch the real race start in another window and enjoy it, in the meantime.

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AHAHAHAHA.....Ya Good Game not GREAT. ...Just the same old same old BS Game. So went sailing in the Genova I m playing around the finish with the update programation, just o to sorta testing how close to the white serf line on auto TWA I can get. Found dirt next time I went online.

tried again and boats found dirt again but this time auto TWA has it headed the boat out, yet it’s still planted in the dirt not moving. WTF

 

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2 minutes ago, DRIFTW00D said:

it’s still planted in the dirt. WTF

A few possible explanations...  

-You have to get a pretty steep angle from the shoreline that you hit, and you came in from the West, so it's possible that you haven't turned far enough back to the West to get offshore.  That's the only point that could possibly be at all "on you".

-Get this...  The UI can be out of sync with the server.  If you install the "dashboard" app described in Zezo, you can get the server data and see the discrepancies.  To be clear: The vast majority of the time, the differences are intangible.  But...  When a windshift is occurring fast, particularly in light winds, you can see significant differences.  You're in 2.7 kts of wind, so I'm guessing maybe a windshift is going through rapidly.  If so, then the wind on the server might be off by 10 degrees or more from what you're seeing in the UI.  If so, then that might explain why your TWA angle is failing to get you off the beach.  When sailing extremely close to land in rapidly shifting winds, I generally sail straight lines (usually with waypoints).  It gets very tricky though if you want to do VMG short-tacking or short-gybing.

-When you run aground, all sorts of bad things happen (which I guess is realistic, in its own way).  Any future programmations or waypoints are deleted. So a scheduled maneuver to unground you won't occur.  Additionally, if you make moves every minute, you can confuse the server in ways I don't entirely understand.  If you look at my track in Genova, you'll see I hit Italy's toe and sailed a few minutes straight away from shore before resuming sailing.  (That sucked...  I was running top 20, maybe top 10, and lost a lot there).  I could have sailed away from shore for one minute and then turned East, but chose not to.  Why?  Well, I have had cases where I've tried that, and then the server has lost track of the fact that I sailed the "away from shore" angle for a minute.  It has backed me up to the grounding and then turned me to my newest course from there, which is of course still into the shoreline.  So now, if I run aground, I turn away from shore, get confirmation, exit the game, wait two minutes (twitching and angry the whole time), go back into the game, wait for a minute to tick by to see the boat still going the right way, and then turn to resume the race.  Maybe overkill, maybe not.  Better to avoid running aground in the first place, of course.  I was pretty unhappy that time because I was pretty confident my course was in safe water.  But I was pushing it, trying to win, and when you do that, sometimes you find a rock.

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OK Thanks . LOL mom gots no wheels too...

The photo above is the way the boat looked as I logged in. Stuck , facing out.
 

I just logged in again after getting off. I had set up to be grounded again. Same thing boat facing out stuck. I touched the ATW lock on to off, clicked the green check mark and it was off ground next time I looked.
 

Locked On TWA changes boat direction when grounded. User has to click the green check to unlock a grounded boat.

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Seems the free game now has opened up waypoints and programation to users. Thing is both are limited to two points. Game shows 9 boxes but the add + sign is gone after both are used. They will reset to two if canceled or the boat passes both.
 

auto sails is limited to 1 24 hrs at a time before it can be extended Start it at a easy to reset time.

I am not seeing any way to buy an more boxes in waypoints or programation or auto sails on the game board.

Could be part of the limited features bug fix session.

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On 10/10/2020 at 10:44 AM, DRIFTW00D said:

Seems the free game now has opened up waypoints and programation to users. Thing is both are limited to two points. Game shows 9 boxes but the add + sign is gone after both are used. They will reset to two if canceled or the boat passes both.
 

auto sails is limited to 1 24 hrs at a time before it can be extended Start it at a easy to reset time.

I am not seeing any way to buy an more boxes in waypoints or programation or auto sails on the game board.

Could be part of the limited features bug fix session.

better than nothing , allows a less demanding schedule

need to know who's full pack $$$$$ and who's cheap charlie ?

I'm in the cheap charlie division :)

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Apparently they introduced a pile of additional new changes and it's a total cluster.  If anyone is doing the Jamaica Express race, you'll know what I'm talking about.  I'm not in the race but am looking at the Zezo forum topic about it.  Forget everything I said in Post 10.  By the time Vendee starts, it may be a very different game from what it was when I wrote that.  They'll probably run a few more Category 6 races as beta test events between now and Vendee.

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Sounds like a good idea to do some of these races to get a handle on the changes before the Vendee starts.  It may not be fast to be wrestling with a whole new system at the beginning of the Vendee.  Maybe I'll jump in mid-race into the Jamaica Express to see how things work......or don't as the case may be.

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1 hour ago, DRIFTW00D said:

OK I’m in the Jamakenmecrazy race.

No zxpress to the front on the chase boat. Harbor start for late boats.

When I started late the first screen had me in the harbour, I set up my course based on that, a few hours later I logged in again and I was at a random location in the middle of the sea, well back from the leaders, and behind the vast majority of boats. No evidence of the escort frigate.  My advice is check back in again.

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Apparently VR posted some kind of apology letter, saying the Jamaica race won't count, people who paid for full packs in it will get a free replacement race of category 5 or 6 later, and they're working hard to make sure the issues are all repaired before Vendee.  Which is great, but...  Still very worrisome that they launched such dramatic changes so close to Vendee with so many bugs.  I sure hope they can sort it out in time.

If I understand correctly, they intend to keep the Jamaica race open for bug work, rather than running more similar beta test races.

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1 hour ago, Tunnel Rat said:

One thing I am finding annoying is that I am due to harden up at the western end of Cuba and have the turn programmed and the auto sail change programmed, but the predicted path is as if I was trying to go upwind with the spinnaker still up. <_<

Prior to the changes, the predicted path would reflect sail changes, if the autosails were on with enough duration for the predicted sailchange to occur.  So as long as that's your situation, they would be viewing it as a bug to fix.  Apparently there's a thread in the VR forum where users are posting bugs, which VR has indicated they're actually paying attention to and using as a to-do list.  You could have a look in there and see if your issue is already noted, and add it if it isn't.

22 days or so to fix the bugs.  I don't envy that development team for the next 3 weeks.  But it's a mess of their own making.

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Nice beta game to play with. I did check position as you said, your right I was moved up the course with all programation gone. The new pop up window to choose which over lapping boats to view is good. The can’t log in bug got me eating dirt... so they fix it and or your f,,,ked in the dirt as they do.... it’s worth what we paid for it!

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9 hours ago, Razorblade_Romance said:

So is there a set of polars available anywhere for these boats in the foiling configuration?  Its locked under VIP in Virtual Regatta?

Can't see anything on Zezo relating to polars either.

http://toxcct.free.fr/polars/

By default, the options are all turned off, but you can of course turn them all on.

Specifics about how the foils impact boatspeed (as well as specifics of polish, pro winches, etc) are covered here:  http://zezo.org/forum.pl?tid=7877

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I just joined as SA_ Kenny Dumas 

Still wandering around North of Cuba, trying out all the buttons. Ran aground while mushroom hunting Mt Jefferson wilderness area on E bike. 1500 watt monster makes climbing hills fun. Got a few sweet Chanterelles. The devastation of Detroit from the wildfire is unreal, shocking in its capricious ferocity. 

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16 hours ago, Kenny Dumas said:

Is the site down or is there some way to reset?  All I get is the intro screen with the VR spinner, frozen. Is that the “site down “ symptom?  Sailors may die if I can’t reboot!?!?

It happens sometimes.  If it's a desktop machine, go back to VR's home page and re-enter the Offshore area.  Sometimes I find myself having to do this multiple times.  I'm not sure if rebooting helps or if it's unrelated to your machine's present status.  If you're running the app on a phone or tablet, then exit the app (entirely, not just hiding it) and re-enter, or reboot the phone or tablet.  Annoying, but...  if you just stare at the spinner, it'll go on indefinitely (assuming you've already been patient for at least 10 seconds for normal load time).

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If anyone is looking to practice in the new version, and didn't do Jamaica Express (or would just like to get more practice with fewer of the original set of bugs)...  They just opened the "Bermuda Challenge", which starts 22 hours from now.  Ft. Lauderdale to Bermuda.  IMOCA.  Category 6, so inexpensive.

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 Thanks Mom. That’s what I saw Cal 40s;). No cheep seats all free boats fully tricked out, agood practice run just pick a color... The pushers a r giving it a Away for free now... we all know why!

Heres a new twist for late starters..

1. Boat starts at start line behind the pack. You set it up and head down the leg. OK log out.

2. Log back in, boats just left port on your heading with sails set. Just off shore

3. Hit the refresh Arrow Circles in the upper right corner... BAM your boats teleported up to the fleet same settings and sails, where ever you go next is not fast just your old settings.

4. This is a play that shows what MOM said about player side and game side being out of sink.

5. Solution: listen to Mom. And hit the refresh button first on log in?

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21 minutes ago, DRIFTW00D said:

Thanks Mom. That’s what I saw Cal 40s;

5 Solution listen to Mom. And hit the refresh button first on log in?

Class 40s not Cal 40s...  Not that it really matters...  It's one-design either way.

Regarding the solution to this topic...  I don't have one.  I'm not sure how the current version of late starting operates because I don't like to start a race at all if I miss the scheduled start.  The game has what's called an "escort frigate" now.  It's generally visible, and I think if you have an awful time (such as spending a night aground early in a race) you can jump straight to the frigate, for a price in credits, at any time, by clicking on it.  (Be careful to not click on it accidentally!  And if you do, then be super careful to decline the confirmation!).  Anyway, as far as I know, late starters enter at the frigate's location.  It should be smooth and immediate, though.  What you describe sounds like a bug of the new engine's mechanics.  I guess as long as it jumps you there upon the first refresh, it won't matter in the long run.

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Hello All

Viper640 is my username in the game and am looking forward to this race. I have purchased the full pack and VIP,  and have a team setup, so I'm invested. Small problem though, I can't login.... as I logged out and forgot my password. Can anyone direct me to get some help to login? I have done the reset password option multiple times but have not received any email from them. I have checked my spam folder, nada, I have gone to the VR website and looked for help but nothing. I cannot connect to support for help as i cannot login!!!!

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Thanks, TR.  NZ-Eligo have had numerous battles in records like this.  A huge part of those events is choosing the right start time, and he and I seem to have a knack for it.

Viper, I'm sorry to say I have no advice and am worried you might have a mess on your hands.  VR's support is notoriously slow to respond to support requests.  Especially in times like this when they get overwhelmed.  VIP should theoretically get you faster support, but if you can't log in, then I guess you can't log a VIP support request.  You can try logging a message in their forum (although I guess you'd have to register a sock to do it)...  Or if you have a friend with a VIP account, I guess they could log a support request on your behalf.  (I don't have VIP, so I won't get a faster response than you).  I guess just do what you can with that, and then in parallel, try logging in with every password you can think to try.  I don't think they have a limit on how much you can try.

Usually, once you've logged in on a computer or your phone, it remembers your logon, even if you reboot, until you clear your cookies or log out.  You don't even need to tell the computer to remember your password.  It simply doesn't ask you to log in again.  Of course, if you're using a shared computer, then I guess logging out is necessary.

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3 hours ago, Your Mom said:

Viper, I'm sorry to say I have no advice and am worried you might have a mess on your hands.  VR's support is notoriously slow to respond to support requests.  Especially in times like this when they get overwhelmed.  VIP should theoretically get you faster support, but if you can't log in, then I guess you can't log a VIP support request.  You can try logging a message in their forum (although I guess you'd have to register a sock to do it)...  Or if you have a friend with a VIP account, I guess they could log a support request on your behalf.  (I don't have VIP, so I won't get a faster response than you).  I guess just do what you can with that, and then in parallel, try logging in with every password you can think to try.  I don't think they have a limit on how much you can try.

Thanks for the advise Mom. I did create another account and filed a help request to VR but don't expect to hear anything back in time for the start of the race. Since I purchased the full pack and won't be able to use it, I have been in contact with my credit card company.

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I’m just using the free points so far.  Is there a class of SA’rs that race the cheap boats?  Or is there a way to sort for similar boats?  Or do you guys all just buy the full pack?  I was down to 9000+ place in the Bermuda race till I got the light air jib and worked the pressure on the right to crawl back to sub 5000. It wasn’t much fun watching boats sail by without knowing their setup. 

SA_Kenny Dumas

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