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3 hours ago, Headntac said:

Excuse my ignorance but how the fuk do you find out how many skippers are in these races...??..

100 percent is not an answer

Usually, it's shown on the main page, but they suppressed it when they announced there would be a prize for the 1,000,000th entry.  They'll probably bring it back when they return from holiday and announce who won that.

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Good morning, This is that last update from me - the happy threesome have had a close finish with great relief all round.  There are still 5 SAists out there.  @vibroman abruptly turned left

Good morning (just, it's almost lunch time here), As pointed out the ranking are starting to make sense.  We are back to regular programming with @Your Mom back on top.  shockwave11 has managed t

Good morning, I see that @chuso007's  8yr old has pulled off some masterful strategy over the last few days, but is now in the middle of a heaving, sweating mass of SAers.  A place which may make

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Good morning,

The group just behind the leaders are currently negotiating the centre of a large low, trying to hit the middle and keep going on a fairly straight course.  The front three have already been through and are heading NEwards.  Anyone who went too far east got swallowed up by some high pressure and lost a lot of places.

My apologies to m2for - it is him that is almost at the Horn in glorious isolation, Muratai Watt is trying to stay ahead of the pack of Corinthians who are viewing Sticky's driving skills with concern.....

There is a rather annoying area of high pressure just before we get to the northerly trades, where we start the upwind slog to somewhere off Recife.

29-Dec      
01:15UTC      
Place SA Name Boat Name Dist to Leader
1 Blue Mountain YC  shockwave11 5574.25
2 Gufmiester BigBalls 5.19
3 Your Mom Your Mom SA 7.06
4 12345 Siafu 68.4
5 yeahbuoy Cool J 74.3
6 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 75
7 viper43 viper64043 75.5
8 Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 77.2
9 daan62 hutspot77 77.9
10 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 81.9
11 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 82
12 Iced Tea rule69 84.4
13 Will Lee Lorraine III 84.6
14 TocToc Vuvuzela 92.9
15 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 93.5
16 Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 96.8
17 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 97.9
18 kea.nn kea.nn SA 108.6
19 Raz'r SVKahoots 116.6
20 Hydrogene Eau Gazeuse 150.8
21 sailon2 jahmbo SA 173.8
22 Vibroman Vibroman_SA 199.4
23 MasterRobin MasterRobin 207.3
24 Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 284.5
25 arr4ws Arr4ws 325.4
26 TPG Hooperdrivestheboat 328.9
27 gavinbpk PGB 355.8
28 bushsailor rushour 399.2
29 Flaming Flaming 409.1
30 F15 AUS AUS3572 411.4
31 Giddy Up G-Troit_Express_SA 421
32 CordRipper RumHam 425.9
33 ttc546 ChrisAero2542 432
34 MalahideGreener The GreeneMachine 432.9
35 SteveJH Stephen_1987 440.4
36 Mike G MikeVentura 440.7
37 x2sea m2for-SA 1588
38 Headntac Ryoochi 2900
39 PB2207 Chi-2207 3023
40 Wattie MuritaiWatt 3921
41 rhenders The Hooded Fang 4191
42 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 4208
43 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 4214
44 Laser1 Hotfoot 4239
45 Knut Grotzki SA_KnutG 4334
46 mad Sticky 4361
47 Kenny Dumas SA_ Kenny Dumas 4415
48 klymen klymen 4826
49 CapnK KR deCap 5278
50 MobyBick MobyBick 5343
51 Mid SA_Mid 6441
52 Vin Divided Sky 8427
53 gary Hschutz 9122

 

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On 12/25/2020 at 4:58 PM, winchfodder said:

I see Matt Johnson has just squeezed ahead of needyeux in the battle for the watch. The two boats are keeping a tight cover.

The Nemo leaders are locked together. Not sure who is covering who. 

I wonder if there are other Nemoists near them or ahead?

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9 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said:
9 hours ago, WetHog said:

The game keeps crashing on me. 

WetHog  :ph34r:

They are out to get you!

And me, fucking thing is sending me all over the place...........that and general Christmas distractions with no wi-fi.  

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Good morning,

The three leaders are well through the high pressure area just off S Brazil.  The main pack is still wallowing through the light wind section, although Eau Gazeuse has played a bit of a blinder with his Buffalo Girls around the north of the fleet to race up the leader board, however he is just entering the high pressure and it is uncertain whether the long term strategy will pay off, but it is looking hopeful for him.

The Horn is not living up to it's reputation for m2for who is inching his way along at 2.6kts! 

The Corinthians are at it again, 8Nm between the front three, behind them, Sticky seems to have lost control....... that is assuming that he ever had any.

30-Dec      
01:15UTC      
Place SA Name Boat Name Dist to Leader
1 Blue Mountain YC  shockwave11 5375.07
2 Your Mom Your Mom SA 1.72
3 Gufmiester BigBalls 2.68
4 Hydrogene Eau Gazeuse 41.6
5 12345 Siafu 45.3
6 viper43 viper64043 48.8
7 yeahbuoy Cool J 49.5
8 Iced Tea rule69 49.7
9 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 49.8
10 Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 50.7
11 daan62 hutspot77 52.5
12 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 53.7
13 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 56
14 Will Lee Lorraine III 58
15 Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 62.6
16 TocToc Vuvuzela 64
17 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 65.9
18 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 71.5
19 Vibroman Vibroman_SA 71.9
20 kea.nn kea.nn SA 78.3
21 MasterRobin MasterRobin 78.8
22 sailon2 jahmbo SA 92.4
23 Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 103.5
24 arr4ws Arr4ws 120.1
25 TPG Hooperdrivestheboat 129.7
26 Raz'r SVKahoots 134.3
27 gavinbpk PGB 196.7
28 Flaming Flaming 219.4
29 CordRipper RumHam 235.9
30 SteveJH Stephen_1987 241.2
31 Giddy Up G-Troit_Express_SA 241.4
32 F15 AUS AUS3572 241.6
33 ttc546 ChrisAero2542 262.5
34 Mike G MikeVentura 279.4
35 MalahideGreener The GreeneMachine 304.9
36 bushsailor rushour 427.9
37 x2sea m2for-SA 1603
38 Headntac Ryoochi 2701
39 PB2207 Chi-2207 2845
40 Wattie MuritaiWatt 3876
41 rhenders The Hooded Fang 4121.5
42 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 4122.3
43 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 4129.4
44 Laser1 Hotfoot 4135.6
45 Knut Grotzki SA_KnutG 4180
46 mad Sticky 4208
47 Kenny Dumas SA_ Kenny Dumas 4236
48 klymen klymen 4645
49 CapnK KR deCap 5287
50 MobyBick MobyBick 5395
51 Mid SA_Mid 6247
52 Vin Divided Sky 8626
53 gary Hschutz 9244
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Well passing the Horn has been a little too painful.  Thought I'd stop off for a while, check the real estate, knock back a few, and let a couple go buy and maybe get Ryoochi excited for his belated xmas present.  But the movie ended, I'm back at sea. Crap.

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10 hours ago, x2sea said:

Well passing the Horn has been a little too painful.  Thought I'd stop off for a while, check the real estate, knock back a few, and let a couple go buy and maybe get Ryoochi excited for his belated xmas present.  But the movie ended, I'm back at sea. Crap.

Man..if I catch you it would be a miracle...I mean you sailed away leaving me to sit still for 4 to 5 days in the hole of holes..

and yes I like Xmas presents 

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Good morning,

The last update of 2020 sees Your Mom back on top. The last day has been all about fine nuances in the fetching/tight reaching through the northerly trades.  It looks as if we will be doing this for another couple of days before tacking as the wind shifts more to the NE, and then head north.  However I see that Me Rongo Rekohu SA has been practicing his tacking....... fat fingers or enjoying the nightcap too much?

Eau Gazeause's bid for glory came to a rather sticky end in the high with not enough pressure to break free, he is roughly on the same latitude as the main pack, but a long way west. 
m2for has passed the Falklands after an extended tour of the Horn, The Marie Straits and Isla De Los Estados and is now into double digit speeds.

The swingers are passing underneath Point Nemo in relatively good order.

The next update will be on the 4th January 2021.  Wishing you a healthy and enjoyable 2021.

31-Dec      
01:30UTC      
Place SA Name Boat Name Dist to Leader
1 Your Mom Your Mom SA 5137.57
2 Blue Mountain YC  shockwave11 1.05
3 Gufmiester BigBalls 2.02
4 daan62 hutspot77 46.1
5 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 49
6 12345 Siafu 50.7
7 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 54
8 Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 54.1
9 Will Lee Lorraine III 54.4
10 yeahbuoy Cool J 57.5
11 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 58.1
12 viper43 viper64043 61.1
13 TocToc Vuvuzela 64.9
14 Iced Tea rule69 68
15 Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 68.5
16 kea.nn kea.nn SA 79.5
17 Hydrogene Eau Gazeuse 79.6
18 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 80.8
19 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 97.4
20 sailon2 jahmbo SA 107.1
21 MasterRobin MasterRobin 113
22 Vibroman Vibroman_SA 122.7
23 Raz'r SVKahoots 129.9
24 Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 165.2
25 arr4ws Arr4ws 199.4
26 TPG Hooperdrivestheboat 206
27 gavinbpk PGB 211.1
28 F15 AUS AUS3572 252.8
29 SteveJH Stephen_1987 265.1
30 Giddy Up G-Troit_Express_SA 269
31 Flaming Flaming 274.6
32 MalahideGreener The GreeneMachine 278
33 CordRipper RumHam 278.1
34 ttc546 ChrisAero2542 289.5
35 Mike G MikeVentura 319.7
36 bushsailor rushour 382.5
37 x2sea m2for-SA 1586
38 Headntac Ryoochi 2575
39 PB2207 Chi-2207 2746
40 Wattie MuritaiWatt 3794
41 rhenders The Hooded Fang 3860
42 Laser1 Hotfoot 3889
43 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 3901
44 Knut Grotzki SA_KnutG 3948
45 mad Sticky 3955
46 Kenny Dumas SA_ Kenny Dumas 4001
47 klymen klymen 4412
48 MobyBick MobyBick 5345
49 CapnK KR deCap 5372
50 Mid SA_Mid 6282
51 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 6872
52 Vin Divided Sky 8864
53 gary Hschutz 9515
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On 12/29/2020 at 10:58 AM, winchfodder said:

The Nemo leaders are locked together. Not sure who is covering who. 

I wonder if there are other Nemoists near them or ahead?

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Matt has managed to make a break to the east from the gaggle of nemoists with needyeux in the back. This could be his chance!

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Health, wealth, and joy to all for 2021.  

Thank you TR, good job!  Congratulations Your Mom for ending a wretched year on a high point and thank you also for your leadership in constructive commentaries.

 

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37 minutes ago, x2sea said:

Health, wealth, and joy to all for 2021.  

Thank you TR, good job!  Congratulations Your Mom for ending a wretched year on a high point and thank you also for your leadership in constructive commentaries.

 

Thanks, but I need to move up if I want to improve on my 107th from 2016.  

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10 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

Thanks, but I need to move up if I want to improve on my 107th from 2016.  

That's an impressive ranking whichever way, how many raced in that edition?

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Fleet size isn't as good an indicator of the quality of a result in the virtual races as in real life (although it's still a relative indicator).  The game's race history just shows the total finishers, which was 233,583 in 2016.  I think the number of entries was something like 500,000.  The trouble is...  Events like this and VOR get a lot of promotion, so a ton of people drop in to check it out, and then get bored with it and jump overboard while their boat runs up onto a Brazilian beach.

We might have 500,000 finishers this edition.  So...  maybe twice 2016.

But the real measure of course needs to account for what options you've paid for in credits or cash, how many others are genuinely trying to get to the finish, and how you finish against those with similar options.  This edition definitely has the most skilled full pack boats I've ever seen in a single event, by a solid margin.  Some very experienced racers are apparently racing multiple boats, with their secondary (and beyond) boats being new and therefore unrecognized to me.  I can't imagine paying for and managing multiple boats in the same events, but I guess if you don't mind investing the time and money, it allows you to play multiple strategies and then focus at the end on your best boat.  Anyway...  I think there are roughly 30,000-40,000 full pack boats putting solid effort in.  Maybe more.  The gap between 50,000th and 60,000th is enormous and I'm guessing that has something to do with options carried.  So...  That's probably 10 times as many full pack boats as in most events, or more.  So...  The honest answer is that I am indeed happy with my current position.  But I'd still be happier with a 2-digit rank, and am gunning for the win as much as anyone.

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OK, the header has hit, I'm tacking in 30. Lets see what happens when we re-converge. I'm about 200 miles east of y'all and now am basically heading 350 + or minus for the next 10 days

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Went back into the archives to remember where I finished in 2012 -

“Temporary finish 549th - 88D 13H 15M - I crack a beer to celebrate. ahh...

To those still out there sailing along keep it coming. I made it to the end of this adventure with only the tools provided by our Evil French Masters and a little Luck... OK, full disclosure... The last 5000 miles I had a Text Pact with Sparx, the fine gentleman he is, where he would accept my occasional Full on Drunk Text asking for a wake up call... Even then it did not work all the time and I have woke hours later loosing spots by the 100’s.  :lol: No weather routing, no polars, no fancy overlays. This game took a ton of time but it was worth suffering with you all.”

 

Now I have a reference tome for this run. 

 

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3 hours ago, Raz'r said:

OK, the header has hit, I'm tacking in 30. Lets see what happens when we re-converge. I'm about 200 miles east of y'all and now am basically heading 350 + or minus for the next 10 days

FWIW...  Consider tracking BossHogg, on your route just ahead.  He'll make a good rabbit for you.

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1 hour ago, Your Mom said:

FWIW...  Consider tracking BossHogg, on your route just ahead.  He'll make a good rabbit for you.

thanks

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16 hours ago, Your Mom said:

Some very experienced racers are apparently racing multiple boats, with their secondary (and beyond) boats being new and therefore unrecognized to me.  I can't imagine paying for and managing multiple boats in the same events, but I guess if you don't mind investing the time and money, it allows you to play multiple strategies and then focus at the end on your best boat.

Welcome to when pay to win really flexes its muscles. The developer makes a buttload of money from the whales that either pay up for every race, run multiple boats, or both.

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33 minutes ago, TPG said:
17 hours ago, Your Mom said:

Some very experienced racers are apparently racing multiple boats, with their secondary (and beyond) boats being new and therefore unrecognized to me.  I can't imagine paying for and managing multiple boats in the same events, but I guess if you don't mind investing the time and money, it allows you to play multiple strategies and then focus at the end on your best boat.

Welcome to when pay to win really flexes its muscles. The developer makes a buttload of money from the whales that either pay up for every race, run multiple boats, or both.

What's the financial gain/win for all this effort?

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14 minutes ago, mad said:

What's the financial gain/win for all this effort?

You won. Its a game. Pay to win is a thing.

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5 minutes ago, TPG said:

You won. Its a game. Pay to win is a thing.

Like funding an AC or just about any other boat campaign then.:P

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11 minutes ago, mad said:

Like funding an AC or just about any other boat campaign then.:P

Except sitting on your couch and not having a cool trophy to show for it. It's really not a good thing because if there's enough people paying, the developers will just make more and more features only available if you pay. ie: this game, if you're unwilling to commit to paying for the main pack (not VIP) then there's absolutely no way on earth you can win a race. Even the worst potato of a sailor will still beat you.

 

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In some games, players who are willing to pay for special items, downloadable content, or to skip cooldown timers may be able to gain an advantage over those playing for free who might otherwise hardly be able to access said items. Such games are called "pay-to-win" by critics. In general a game is considered pay-to-win when a player can gain any gameplay advantage over their non-paying peers. Market research indicates that pay-to-win mechanics are considered much more acceptable by players in China than in Western countries, possibly because Chinese players are more habituated to recurring costs associated with gaming, such as gaming café fees.[37]

 

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Or is it a pay to even get a chance to place hi? To Win in this fleet is a throw of the dice. At least this addition keeps the top players close... or has so far..

 

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2 minutes ago, DRIFTW00D said:

Or is it a pay to even get a chance to place hi? Win in this fleet is a throw of the dice. At least this addition keeps the top players close... or has so far..

How does it "keep the top players close? That makes absolutely no sense. There's no "level playing field" if that's what you're trying to refer to. "Top players" always sought out zezo or other sources of routing. That hasn't changed.

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Let’s see Mommy, Slide show, xmangina, 3ves3vs, noballs, Nicky... et all, +couple thousand all in the same system after circling the globe. No runners yet just killing it!  keeps the interest up for the rest of us.

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1 minute ago, DRIFTW00D said:

Let’s see Mommy, Slide show, xmangina, 3ves3vs, noballs, Nicky... et all, +couple thousand all in the same system after circling the globe. No runners yet just killing it!  keeps the interest up for the rest of us.

Again, you're making no sense, they all paid for the full pack. If it wasn't p2w, they'd all still be at the front of the pack. People "running away" with the race is rare.

What precisely is interesting about people who paid up front, people who didn't pay at the back?

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23 minutes ago, TPG said:
32 minutes ago, mad said:

Like funding an AC or just about any other boat campaign then.:P

Except sitting on your couch and not having a cool trophy to show for it. It's really not a good thing because if there's enough people paying, the developers will just make more and more features only available if you pay. ie: this game, if you're unwilling to commit to paying for the main pack (not VIP) then there's absolutely no way on earth you can win a race. Even the worst potato of a sailor will still beat you.

Definitely makes it a 2 or 3 tier race. 

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Well before the zoo, remember way back, as a dfl player in the square wind game they gave away full packs.. In the bot boat days.. the runners were bots..this is fun, yes it’s pay for some, but I’m playing on a points full pack boat. Way the F up here with the FAST big dogs who are just idling along in another around the world thing.

 

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5 minutes ago, DRIFTW00D said:

Way the F up here with the FAST big dogs who are just idling along in another around the world thing.

 

They're call whales. They just drop a couple bucks and they're just as fast as you who had to grind races for months to get the full pack. 

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It all fun, minimal cost, enjoy! I currently 30,000 or so with full pack. Negligible cost for 70+ days entertainment

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23 hours ago, Your Mom said:

The gap between 50,000th and 60,000th is enormous and I'm guessing that has something to do with options carried.

That separation started at the ice line "hump" below Leeuwin with a huge dead spot and then shift that had us behind sitting and then gybing the ice limit while you guys had 20+ kn dead straight sailing. We were the last of the original group to catch the SE swing towards CoGH, which shut out everyone behind us. Anyone behind the leaders by about 18 hrs were dead in the water at the Leeuwin ice limit, regardless of sails. Since then our group has stretched out over 1000+ miles between the guys with and without the full pack I think, but none of us gaining or losing so much as a couple hundred places over the last two weeks. @x2sea and I were pretty close for a while after that until there were a few days of reaching and foil weather, then he took a good line and I got shut out by another dead spot (and couple trips south of the ice limit :). My heavy sails have kept me in my group, but I can tell when we get C0 and foil weather for a day or two I'm dropping places.  At this point I'm just hoping I don't make a mistake and let the group I left in my wake all the way back at CoGH catch back up. 

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34 minutes ago, PB2207 said:

 At this point I'm just hoping I don't make a mistake and let the group I left in my wake all the way back at CoGH catch back up. 

You're only 2.5 days ahead of the cheap seats.  Be afraid .... be very afraid .....  hahahahahaaaaaa 

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I f’d up the horn I’m not seeing the strong band of wind and the impact of it. Went from ~5k to 12k in a day. Everyone went north right away so decided there was a bit of leverage available to the east. A flyer for sure but following doesn’t do much. Dropped to 30k, but was on the right side for the righty. Now it’s a drag race north. Back in the 21000s

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Back in the cheap seats....I got a little sidetracked with American Foosball and beer...almost bought the farm on the west coast of Chile...little late on the jibe!

Gonna have to weave my way around these islands...lol! 

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47 minutes ago, Hike, Bitches! said:

Back in the cheap seats....I got a little sidetracked with American Foosball and beer...almost bought the farm on the west coast of Chile...little late on the jibe!

Gonna have to weave my way around these islands...lol! 

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Well at least you can stop for a beer.

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Good morning,

I hope you all enjoyed the festive season and that your hangover is now at manageable proportions.

The New reporting Year has started as the old one finished with Your Mom leading the way, closely pursued by shockwave and Big Balls.

Eau Gazeuse has played a stormer up the west side of the fleet and is now well north, but still quite a bit west of the main fleet, will his worse angle outweigh the less distance, or will the siren call of the beaches of Brazil win out?  The jury is still out on that one.

Ryoochi and Chi-2207 have safely negotiated the Horn and are well up the S Atlantic.  Further back the Corinthians are approaching the Horn in their typically rambunctious manner.  Some going for orderly gybes along the ice limit, while others are making close inspections of the hostelries of Chile.

Muratai Watt seems to have abandoned himslef to the middle of a high in the manner of HSchultz, giving Mid an opening for yet another pass.

The main pack will pass Recife in just over a day trying to follow the Goldilocks zone with less pressure near the shore and well out.  The doldrums do not look too worrying with at least 10kts of breeze forecast.  NE trades seem to be well established, but then the mid Atlantic where the Azores High should be will be a mess if models are to be believed, however, that will probably all change by the time we get there.

Zezo is currently predicting about 13.5 days from here.....that beer is getting closer..... except I am off the booze for January. 

EDIT - I would also like to accuse Big Balls of getting a call out on last week's edition of the Bar Karate podcast - so much for flying under the radar!  Good job!

4-Jan      
01:30UTC      
Place SA Name Boat Name Dist to Leader
1 Your Mom Your Mom SA 4214.54
2 Blue Mountain YC  shockwave11 6.22
3 Gufmiester BigBalls 8.09
4 Hydrogene Eau Gazeuse 47.8
5 daan62 hutspot77 53.2
6 Will Lee Lorraine III 54.6
7 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 58.1
8 Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 58.2
9 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 61
10 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 61.3
11 viper43 viper64043 65.3
12 Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 65.7
13 12345 Siafu 66.1
14 TocToc Vuvuzela 71.7
15 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 72.3
16 Iced Tea rule69 76.1
17 kea.nn kea.nn SA 76.9
18 MasterRobin MasterRobin 82.9
19 yeahbuoy Cool J 83.5
20 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 94.9
21 Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 99.3
22 Vibroman Vibroman_SA 105.2
23 sailon2 jahmbo SA 112
24 TPG Hooperdrivestheboat 123.5
25 gavinbpk PGB 129.4
26 Raz'r SVKahoots 130
27 arr4ws Arr4ws 142
28 F15 AUS AUS3572 176.9
29 SteveJH Stephen_1987 196.6
30 ttc546 ChrisAero2542 207
31 Flaming Flaming 228.6
32 Mike G MikeVentura 248.2
33 CordRipper RumHam 262.2
34 MalahideGreener The GreeneMachine 284.7
35 bushsailor rushour 331.9
36 Giddy Up G-Troit_Express_SA 366.6
37 x2sea m2for-SA 1524
38 Headntac Ryoochi 2058
39 PB2207 Chi-2207 2149
40 rhenders The Hooded Fang 2959
41 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 3018
42 Wattie MuritaiWatt 3115
43 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 3172.4
44 Laser1 Hotfoot 3173.3
45 mad Sticky 3268.8
46 Knut Grotzki SA_KnutG 3277
47 Kenny Dumas SA_ Kenny Dumas 3312
48 klymen klymen 3571
49 CapnK KR deCap 5102
50 MobyBick MobyBick 5981
51 Mid SA_Mid 6192
52 gary Hschutz 9589
53 Vin Divided Sky 9786
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51 minutes ago, Tunnel Rat said:

Zezo is currently predicting about 13.5 days from here.....that beer is getting closer..... except I am off the booze for January. 

My next race day in real boats is 13.7 days from now, so I hope Zezo has it right.  It's difficult to keep the virtual boat going well while racing the real boat, particularly when the real boat is a small boat in the winter.  I've been known to steer with my ankle on the tiller while playing the main with one hand and checking the phone with the other, between races, in 15 kts...  But if it's much more than 15, or if I need to do something during a race, it isn't really do-able.

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Hey @rhenders !! Either you have a strategy I don't understand or you've fallen asleep... Wake up!!

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2 hours ago, chuso007 said:

Hey @rhenders !! Either you have a strategy I don't understand or you've fallen asleep... Wake up!!

Looks like he woke up just in time to jibe inside the ice limit :)

 

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Cheers as always TR, 
Despite a slide in the ranking i think i made it through Silly season in an acceptable position, looks like those around me have been steaming ahead while I stay, politely, around 3000 miles behind the leaders.

Around the horn now, things will get easier from here right.....? 
 

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4 hours ago, chuso007 said:

I'm such a nice guy... I was really looking forward to passing him.

Well chuso - I will warn you..be careful following me thru the gap..I lost 2,500 places stuck in 5 knots of breeze most of the day..I am just coming back up to speed. Maybe it will blow thru for you..You have already closed a lot of miles on me in the last couple hours. 

p.s.> When the hell is that flag gonna fall off in your avatar?!?!!?!?!?!? :o:P

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Dude... I fucked up a bit, wine, cheese, some jamón, I totally forgot I had to change course a couple of hours ago. Now I'm stuck in the gap, Let's hope for the best.

 

I'm starting to lose faith on the flag, it's been there for +15 years

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Good morning,

A brief update.  There has been almost nothing happening in the way of changing places.  Everyone is steaming north in their chosen lane at almost exactly the same speed.  It is time to start setting up for the doldrums crossing.

Further back the rabble are rounding the Horn and seem to have been stirred to a fever pitch of excitement by the thought of not having to follow the ice line.

Hschultz continues to examine his navel in a new high pressure area.

5-Jan      
01:00UTC      
Place SA Name Boat Name Dist to Leader
1 Your Mom Your Mom SA 3842.52
2 Gufmiester BigBalls 4.65
3 Blue Mountain YC  shockwave11 6.25
4 Hydrogene Eau Gazeuse 44.7
5 daan62 hutspot77 53.2
6 Will Lee Lorraine III 53.6
7 Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 57.5
8 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 60.1
9 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 63.6
10 Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 64.6
11 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 65.2
12 12345 Siafu 66.5
13 viper43 viper64043 68.6
14 TocToc Vuvuzela 71.9
15 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 73.1
16 Iced Tea rule69 77.3
17 kea.nn kea.nn SA 77.4
18 MasterRobin MasterRobin 82.4
19 yeahbuoy Cool J 87.3
20 Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 97
21 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 103.7
22 sailon2 jahmbo SA 115.8
23 Vibroman Vibroman_SA 121.4
24 TPG Hooperdrivestheboat 125.5
25 arr4ws Arr4ws 140.2
26 gavinbpk PGB 142
27 Raz'r SVKahoots 174.2
28 F15 AUS AUS3572 193.3
29 SteveJH Stephen_1987 207.2
30 ttc546 ChrisAero2542 221.2
31 Flaming Flaming 250.2
32 Mike G MikeVentura 275.5
33 CordRipper RumHam 283.7
34 bushsailor rushour 361.5
35 MalahideGreener The GreeneMachine 424.6
36 Giddy Up G-Troit_Express_SA 477.1
37 x2sea m2for-SA 1709
38 Headntac Ryoochi 2137
39 PB2207 Chi-2207 2395
40 rhenders The Hooded Fang 2989
41 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 3023
42 Laser1 Hotfoot 3097.9
43 Wattie MuritaiWatt 3098.5
44 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 3118
45 Knut Grotzki SA_KnutG 3163
46 Kenny Dumas SA_ Kenny Dumas 3185
47 mad Sticky 3193
48 klymen klymen 3465
49 CapnK KR deCap 5115
50 Mid SA_Mid 6247
51 MobyBick MobyBick 6370
52 gary Hschutz 9920
53 Vin Divided Sky 10158
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And that's me around the Horn in 199,289th place. Between me and the leaders of the Corinthian pack there are 370-470nm and 120,000 boats.

Keep an eye aft people: it's busy down here!

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I see a lot of complaining about pay to win. Not all of us upfront pay to win, which is why I don’t have heavy weather sails and a few other things. Currently around spot 27,000 @ about 250nm behind the leaders. I feel most of it is just not fucking up on the navigation choices. Stop blaming the equipment for your mistakes.

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2 minutes ago, paulus said:

I see a lot of complaining about pay to win. Not all of us upfront pay to win, which is why I don’t have heavy weather sails and a few other things. Currently around spot 27,000 @ about 250nm behind the leaders. I feel most of it is just not fucking up on the navigation choices. Stop blaming the equipment for your mistakes.

It turns into a complicated topic because it depends a bit on what one means by "pay" and what one means by "win".

To actually win the event (finishing first overall), you need to have all of the options (except the radio).  It is possible to achieve that without ever paying any real money at all, but that requires doing multiple other events in advance, to save up enough credits to buy all of the options.  So, strictly speaking, payment of money is not required to win, but investment of either time or money is.

But...  if the goal is to simply finish well, and you have some credits saved up from prior races, then you are correct that you can buy foils, light sails, and C0 (or some other good partial combination) and still do quite well.  Some of that is weather-dependent.  This event had massive fleet compression for most of two weeks once we passed Kerguelen.  So a lot of boats who fell behind due to not having all the options could catch right back up during that time.  Anyone who did so, including you, then needed to make the right decisions after Cape Horn.  By doing so, yes, you were able to stay with the overall lead group.  You've done very well to be so close to the lead without all of the options.  

Those who use Zezo will notice red and blue dots on the map.  Those are the positions people have recently routed from.  Red is people routing with the "Full Pack" setting.  Blue is people routing with anything less than full pack.  If you zoom out a bit, you'll see a thick pile of red dots near the lead...  (Two, actually...  a smaller pack that went through or West of Falklands, and a bigger pack behind that went East of Falklands).  Then you'll see a third pack of blue dots.  Those are the less-than-full-pack boats who are working hard and making the right decisions.  That gap is the difference between what you can do with the full pack (or full options paid via credits) versus without.

"Pay to win" is the correct term for this business model.  It doesn't necessarily have negative connotations.  It just is what it is.  I like that it's possible to earn credits, use them, and be fully competitive that way (and I have won at least two races where I was running on credits instead of a paid full pack).  If they ever changed things so that you had to feed it money during the race for ongoing advantages, where the winner was whoever paid the most, rather than whoever raced the best among those who have full options, I'd quit immediately.  There would be no fun in racing in that model, as far as I'm concerned.

No matter how much you pay, though, being inattentive or making terribly incorrect strategic decisions will kill your race.  The advantages of full options versus none are not big enough to overcome that.  (Fleet compression like we had in this event can get you back into it, though, regardless of whether you have full options or not).

 

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13 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

If they ever changed things so that you had to feed it money during the race for ongoing advantages, where the winner was whoever paid the most, rather than whoever raced the best among those who have full options, I'd quit immediately.  There would be no fun in racing in that model, as far as I'm concerned.

Their track record certainly points to this. I bet waypoints are completely removed from being free and "pack" waypoints reduced from 9 to 6 or lower soon. They've already broached making features absolutely paid for (VIP) and I'd be curious to know what the buy-in percentage is. I bet its frighteningly high.

They so far have only seen growth and not shrinkage despite making less and less features "free".

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14 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

 

No matter how much you pay, though, being inattentive or making terribly incorrect strategic decisions will kill your race.  The advantages of full options versus none are not big enough to overcome that.  (Fleet compression like we had in this event can get you back into it, though, regardless of whether you have full options or not).

 

I am the poster child for this. With 10 miles of the leaders until Kergulen. Had RW commitments so set up for a safe option (terribly incorrect!) rather than push the ice line and lost 150 miles in 24 hrs. I have full pack but have not made any inroads getting back. I don't use zezo much and I am sure there are a bunch of Non Full Pack folks ahead of me. If I get to the Top 10,000 I'll be happy. I don't have the time to devote that I am sure the pointy end is devoting.

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16 minutes ago, vibroman said:

I am the poster child for this. With 10 miles of the leaders until Kergulen. Had RW commitments so set up for a safe option (terribly incorrect!) rather than push the ice line and lost 150 miles in 24 hrs. I have full pack but have not made any inroads getting back. I don't use zezo much and I am sure there are a bunch of Non Full Pack folks ahead of me. If I get to the Top 10,000 I'll be happy. I don't have the time to devote that I am sure the pointy end is devoting.

Yep, was right there to the horn then blew it. Was away for 12 hours and found myself in the gale. Oops.Now I could have followed the leader, but am trying a flyer. Probably did the absolute worst and didn't take enough of a flyer to make a difference. Ah well.

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I like the balance in the discussion and agree with all of it. The point I was trying to make was don’t bitch about paying to win when you’re placed 600,000th. You’re there because you made some bad decisions.

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For some time now, I have not been able to sail anything less than 110 degrees or so off the wind. In 12 knots wind, I have 2 knots speed with the wind at 90 degrees. At 67 degrees, my boat stands still. Is this a known issue? Workaround?

I am past the Falklands, placed 61000th or so (started a week late). Sailing on a keel-less raft is unfortunate now that I am negotiating a difficult north passage. 

Sorry if this has been cleared up earlier - new to the thread and head spinning after trying to write VR support in French.

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@bbl what do you call your boat?

one game I played had a Anchor, that slowed things down, is yours down? :ph34r:
what is your setting for speed knots MPH or ??
 

So with the wind at TWA 90 degrees what sail do you have set in what wind speed?

 Auto sail will help keeping the right sail up at any angle and TWS depending what you have for choices. Just click  the auto blue circle and ok it by clicking the green check mark. It should stay on for ever with a all in pack. Or 24 hours and can be resend every day .

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Good morning,

We are almost at the equator and approximately one day away from the Doldrums, they are looking relatively benign, but there seem to be some differing ideas about how to cross.  Big Balls is a prime example of the eastern strategy, while Mom is heading up the western group, but this has led to a lead change.

I am uncertain how much difference the choice of Doldrums crossing point will make in the long run.  It seems that dealing with the complicated systems north and west of the Canaries will be where things get decided.

Eau Gazeuse has slotted in front of the main pack to lock down 4th place....... for the moment.  

There has been remarkably little place shuffling in the pack.  The Corinthians, however, have been swapping places with reckless abandon.   

Only 5 players are yet to make it around the Horn, I don't expect two of them to get that far.

6-Jan      
01:30UTC      
Place SA Name Boat Name Dist to Leader
1 Gufmiester BigBalls 3391.23
2 Your Mom Your Mom SA 22.5
3 Blue Mountain YC  shockwave11 25.3
4 Hydrogene Eau Gazeuse 61
5 Will Lee Lorraine III 77.3
6 daan62 hutspot77 79.8
7 Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 84.1
8 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 89.9
9 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 90.4
10 viper43 viper64043 91.3
11 12345 Siafu 97.1
12 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 97.3
13 TocToc Vuvuzela 101.2
14 Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 101.6
15 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 101.9
16 kea.nn kea.nn SA 109.9
17 Iced Tea rule69 111.8
18 MasterRobin MasterRobin 116.9
19 yeahbuoy Cool J 117.5
20 Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 133.2
21 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 145.1
22 sailon2 jahmbo SA 167.5
23 Vibroman Vibroman_SA 174.7
24 TPG Hooperdrivestheboat 183.8
25 arr4ws Arr4ws 211.4
26 Raz'r SVKahoots 219.5
27 gavinbpk PGB 222.3
28 F15 AUS AUS3572 280.2
29 SteveJH Stephen_1987 317.1
30 ttc546 ChrisAero2542 319.9
31 Flaming Flaming 324
32 Mike G MikeVentura 373.1
33 CordRipper RumHam 395.4
34 bushsailor rushour 487.1
35 MalahideGreener The GreeneMachine 521.2
36 Giddy Up G-Troit_Express_SA 650
37 x2sea m2for-SA 1892
38 Headntac Ryoochi 2373
39 PB2207 Chi-2207 2608
40 rhenders The Hooded Fang 3079
41 Laser1 Hotfoot 3159
42 Wattie MuritaiWatt 3165
43 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 3204
44 Knut Grotzki SA_KnutG 3222
45 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 3255
46 mad Sticky 3261
47 Kenny Dumas SA_ Kenny Dumas 3307
48 klymen klymen 3458
49 CapnK KR deCap 5185
50 Mid SA_Mid 6378
51 MobyBick MobyBick 6612
52 gary Hschutz 10128
53 Vin Divided Sky 10610
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1 hour ago, DRIFTW00D said:

@bbl what do you call your boat?

one game I played had a Anchor, that slowed things down, is yours down? :ph34r:
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So with the wind at TWA 90 degrees what sail do you have set in what wind speed?

Thanks. Gjallarhorn is the boat name. I have had auto sails on forever. Measuring in knots (nm/h). The weird thing is that at 115-145 degrees off the wind, the speeds are OK.

Currently sailing within that wind angle range obviously.

Can't find an anchor for my imoca.

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19 minutes ago, bbl said:

Thanks. Gjallarhorn is the boat name. I have had auto sails on forever. Measuring in knots (nm/h). The weird thing is that at 115-145 degrees off the wind, the speeds are OK.

Currently sailing within that wind angle range obviously.

Can't find an anchor for my imoca.

I'm not seeing anything to explain this...  I just looked at your boat...  It says you have Full Pack, which means Autosails will always be on...  And it says you're doing 10.6 kts with a wind angle of 93.7 under Code Zero.  Your boat looks fine.  If you're running Dashboard, or you ask someone who is to look at your boat, when you're seeing the problem you describe, it might give you more detail about what's wrong.

(And no...  There's no anchor in this game...)

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I’ve been incredibly lucky for the last few days. Grabbed a sweet jibe angle to the rock and good angles and pressure inside Staten. The windows opened and closed in perfecto timing like Miley Cyrus swinging a wrecking ball 

The coming crapshoot will test the continuation of that sweet streak....

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2 hours ago, bbl said:

Thanks. Gjallarhorn is the boat name. I have had auto sails on forever. Measuring in knots (nm/h). The weird thing is that at 115-145 degrees off the wind, the speeds are OK.

Currently sailing within that wind angle range obviously.

Can't find an anchor for my imoca.

@ rat add Gjallarhorn what ever that thing is to your list please.

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