CapnK 109 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 I was this close to mad and Wattie a week or ten days ago, and, as has happened with too much regularity throughout this race, since the day I started - I got stuffed by a light wind pocket which formed just head of my track, and they zoomed out 400 miles or so ahead in the good wind on the other side... That had happened enough already that back at C. Horn, of frustration and hoping to at least having had done something 'interesting' with my time to that point, I decided I would forego any ranking result (ha, as if I had a chance...) and see if these VR boats could make it through the Straits of Magellan. I never found out. I did find out, after 3 or 4 tries, that on backtracking and once past the mark, the server changed my status to having never cleared the CH checkpoint. Nice waste of time learning that... Not wanting a DNF, I gave up on the idea and resumed following the 'forced course'. So then, unknown and undeclared to mad and Wattie, I made them "The Reason", and have been tracking them relentlessly since. If the server forecast holds, I might finish between them. I'm ~50 miles behind Wattie, and only 30 behind mad right now, and a few miles enough further south that I have 2-3mph more wind than they do for the next 12-18 hours. I intend to make it close, even if they don't give a shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Headntac 6 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Anybody know how many skippers in the Sydney to Auckland race... Finished 2 hours behind Your Mom SA..exactly 1600th ..7 days and 7 minutes. Fell asleep at the wrong time twice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 547 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 hours ago, Headntac said: Anybody know how many skippers in the Sydney to Auckland race... 147896 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,955 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 1/20/2021 at 1:47 AM, Tunnel Rat said: Good morning, No one has managed to finish since the last update. It is looking slow at the moment for everyone in the mid Atlantic, things should speed up soon for m2for after his interesting quadrilateral. Mid has made it around the Horn and is chasing the rest of the pack in the S Atlantic. It will be interesting to see if Sticky's eastern route will pay off, I have my doubts! 20-Jan 01:30UTC Place SA Name Boat Name DTF Days Hours Minutes Seconds Overall Finish 1 Your Mom Your Mom SA 68 22 25 45 23 2 Blue Mountain YC shockwave11 0 0 12 3 126 3 daan62 hutspot77 0 2 58 54 2202 4 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 0 3 4 35 2440 5 Will Lee Lorraine III 0 3 12 50 2853 6 Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 0 3 14 29 2928 7 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 0 3 20 18 3210 8 MasterRobin MasterRobin 0 3 20 50 3249 9 Gufmiester BigBalls 0 3 28 8 3648 10 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 0 3 28 36 3675 11 Iced Tea rule69 0 3 35 51 4039 12 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 0 3 39 30 4221 13 TocToc Vuvuzela 0 3 45 45 4541 14 Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 0 4 28 45 6046 15 Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 0 4 37 15 6263 16 12345 Siafu 0 5 26 53 7273 17 TPG Hooperdrivestheboat 0 6 42 32 8236 18 viper43 viper64043 0 8 40 1 8820 19 Hydrogene Eau Gazeuse 0 11 1 8 9366 20 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 0 22 21 8 11333 21 kea.nn kea.nn SA 1 5 14 45 15428 22 yeahbuoy Cool J 1 7 58 17 16694 23 gavinbpk PGB 1 14 30 24 17688 24 arr4ws Arr4ws 2 5 1 58 21927 25 ttc546 ChrisAero2542 2 5 28 27 22671 26 sailon2 jahmbo SA 2 5 39 49 23093 27 Raz'r SVKahoots 2 6 42 55 25949 28 SteveJH Stephen_1987 2 6 49 24 26185 29 Giddy Up G-Troit_Express_SA 2 10 42 57 38366 30 bushsailor rushour 2 11 50 51 41602 31 F15 AUS AUS3572 2 12 29 54 43229 32 Flaming Flaming 2 12 45 49 43894 33 Mike G MikeVentura 2 13 11 45 44881 34 CordRipper RumHam 2 13 16 42 45057 35 MalahideGreener The GreeneMachine 2 16 43 33 48843 36 x2sea m2for-SA 1882.76 37 Vibroman Vibroman_SA 140.1 38 Headntac Ryoochi 270.9 39 bbl Gjallarhorn 749.1 40 PB2207 Chi-2207 811.6 41 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 871.1 42 klymen klymen 910.4 43 rhenders The Hooded Fang 923 44 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 1390 45 Laser1 Hotfoot 1563 46 Kenny Dumas SA_ Kenny Dumas 1577 47 Knut Grotzki SA_KnutG 1663.4 48 mad Sticky 1665.7 49 Wattie MuritaiWatt 1730.1 50 CapnK KR deCap 2987 51 Mid SA_Mid 4587 52 MobyBick MobyBick 5xxx 53 gary Hschutz 10xxx 54 Vin Divided Sky 12xxx I didn't have a massive amount of faith, but just for once decided on a flier.................it didn't work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,955 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Thank fuck that's over and done with. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CapnK 109 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 21 minutes ago, mad said: Thank fuck that's over and done with. Amen! I think you crossed the line about 15 miles ahead of me. Congrats, good race! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,955 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 12 minutes ago, CapnK said: Amen! I think you crossed the line about 15 miles ahead of me. Congrats, good race! I was watching to see who was around. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,955 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Having just played around around on Syd-Auck race, it’s plain to see the advantage of a full pack. The people I normally follow are back to being Corinthian and miles back again. The new format is getting clunky, change course and 10 minutes later it’s reverted back to the original or exactly 180 degrees opposite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marty6 428 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Yeah, those 10 minute update intervals are a pain in the ass, especially in close quarters to land. Don't really know why they went for that since the server load should me much less after deactivation of the automatic updates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,955 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 33 minutes ago, Marty6 said: Yeah, those 10 minute update intervals are a pain in the ass, especially in close quarters to land. Don't really know why they went for that since the server load should me much less after deactivation of the automatic updates. Put me on the rocks in the Syd-Auck race and took me an hour to get back off, also paid for a CZ with points and never able to use it. I'll never part cash for something so unreliable, and get some of the junk of the new upgrade screen as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Dumas 295 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 It was way more interesting having one design boats. I’m done for a while but recommend it for the future Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,159 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Good morning, This is that last update from me - the happy threesome have had a close finish with great relief all round. There are still 5 SAists out there. @vibroman abruptly turned left just before the finish, bounced off Greenland and then stranded himself on the Labrador coast of NE Canada. @Mid had some R&R on the beaches of Southern Brazil and is currently heading in roughly the correct direction in the middle of the S Atlantic. @MobyBick is ashore on King George Island just around the corner from The Machu Picchu Scientific Base which is a Peruvian polar scientific research facility in Antarctica (redundant fact time!). @gary (Divided Sky) spent quite a long time in a pub just south of Perth, but has relaunched and is heading towards the Horn, just north of Point Nemo. And lastly @Vin and his boat Hschutz are firmly aground in Fjordland of SW New Zealand between Dusky Sound and Taiari Inlet. Thanks to everyone for participating and making this thread a fun place to be. See you for the next big one. Tunnel Rat. 8-Feb 01:15UTC Place SA Name Boat Name DTF Days Hours Minutes Seconds Overall Finish 1 Your Mom Your Mom SA 68 22 25 45 23 2 Blue Mountain YC shockwave11 0 0 12 3 126 3 daan62 hutspot77 0 2 58 54 2,202 4 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 0 3 4 35 2,440 5 Will Lee Lorraine III 0 3 12 50 2,853 6 Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 0 3 14 29 2,928 7 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 0 3 20 18 3,210 8 MasterRobin MasterRobin 0 3 20 50 3,249 9 Gufmiester BigBalls 0 3 28 8 3,648 10 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 0 3 28 36 3,675 11 Iced Tea rule69 0 3 35 51 4,039 12 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 0 3 39 30 4,221 13 TocToc Vuvuzela 0 3 45 45 4,541 14 Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 0 4 28 45 6,046 15 Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 0 4 37 15 6,263 16 12345 Siafu 0 5 26 53 7,273 17 TPG Hooperdrivestheboat 0 6 42 32 8,236 18 viper43 viper64043 0 8 40 1 8,820 19 Hydrogene Eau Gazeuse 0 11 1 8 9,366 20 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 0 22 21 8 11,333 21 kea.nn kea.nn SA 1 5 14 45 15,428 22 yeahbuoy Cool J 1 7 58 17 16,694 23 gavinbpk PGB 1 14 30 24 17,688 24 arr4ws Arr4ws 2 5 1 58 21,927 25 ttc546 ChrisAero2542 2 5 28 27 22,671 26 sailon2 jahmbo SA 2 5 39 49 23,093 27 Raz'r SVKahoots 2 6 42 55 25,949 28 SteveJH Stephen_1987 2 6 49 24 26,185 29 Giddy Up G-Troit_Express_SA 2 10 42 57 38,366 30 bushsailor rushour 2 11 50 51 41,602 31 F15 AUS AUS3572 2 12 29 54 43,229 32 Flaming Flaming 2 12 45 49 43,894 33 Mike G MikeVentura 2 13 11 45 44,881 34 CordRipper RumHam 2 13 16 42 45,057 35 MalahideGreener The GreeneMachine 2 16 43 33 48,843 36 x2sea m2for-SA 9 18 1 51 56,427 37 bbl Gjallarhorn 11 7 54 39 57,975 38 Headntac Ryoochi 11 17 9 51 59,646 39 PB2207 Chi-2207 11 17 38 44 59,840 40 rhenders The Hooded Fang 11 17 39 58 59,847 41 klymen klymen 11 22 41 57 63,478 42 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 11 23 1 8 63,949 43 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 14 7 35 33 135,208 44 Laser1 Hotfoot 14 18 36 32 141,895 45 Kenny Dumas SA_ Kenny Dumas 15 14 23 21 152,099 46 Knut Grotzki SA_KnutG 16 4 46 42 158,251 47 Wattie MuritaiWatt 20 22 0 56 206,199 48 mad Sticky 20 22 26 44 212,732 49 CapnK KR deCap 21 0 10 43 233,928 50 Vibroman Vibroman_SA 2529 51 Mid SA_Mid 2016 52 MobyBick MobyBick 4695 53 gary Divided Sky 6801 54 Vin Hschutz 9106 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DtM 561 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Well done Rat. Thank you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,955 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 10 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said: Good morning, This is that last update from me - the happy threesome have had a close finish with great relief all round. There are still 5 SAists out there. @vibroman abruptly turned left just before the finish, bounced off Greenland and then stranded himself on the Labrador coast of NE Canada. @Mid had some R&R on the beaches of Southern Brazil and is currently heading in roughly the correct direction in the middle of the S Atlantic. @MobyBick is ashore on King George Island just around the corner from The Machu Picchu Scientific Base which is a Peruvian polar scientific research facility in Antarctica (redundant fact time!). @gary (Divided Sky) spent quite a long time in a pub just south of Perth, but has relaunched and is heading towards the Horn, just north of Point Nemo. And lastly @Vin and his boat Hschutz are firmly aground in Fjordland of SW New Zealand between Dusky Sound and Taiari Inlet. Thanks to everyone for participating and making this thread a fun place to be. See you for the next big one. Tunnel Rat. 8-Feb 01:15UTC Place SA Name Boat Name DTF Days Hours Minutes Seconds Overall Finish 1 Your Mom Your Mom SA 68 22 25 45 23 2 Blue Mountain YC shockwave11 0 0 12 3 126 3 daan62 hutspot77 0 2 58 54 2,202 4 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 0 3 4 35 2,440 5 Will Lee Lorraine III 0 3 12 50 2,853 6 Gybe Turkey Gybe Turkey 0 3 14 29 2,928 7 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 0 3 20 18 3,210 8 MasterRobin MasterRobin 0 3 20 50 3,249 9 Gufmiester BigBalls 0 3 28 8 3,648 10 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 0 3 28 36 3,675 11 Iced Tea rule69 0 3 35 51 4,039 12 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 0 3 39 30 4,221 13 TocToc Vuvuzela 0 3 45 45 4,541 14 Mud Sailor Mudsailor SA 0 4 28 45 6,046 15 Driftwood Me Rongo Rekohu SA 0 4 37 15 6,263 16 12345 Siafu 0 5 26 53 7,273 17 TPG Hooperdrivestheboat 0 6 42 32 8,236 18 viper43 viper64043 0 8 40 1 8,820 19 Hydrogene Eau Gazeuse 0 11 1 8 9,366 20 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 0 22 21 8 11,333 21 kea.nn kea.nn SA 1 5 14 45 15,428 22 yeahbuoy Cool J 1 7 58 17 16,694 23 gavinbpk PGB 1 14 30 24 17,688 24 arr4ws Arr4ws 2 5 1 58 21,927 25 ttc546 ChrisAero2542 2 5 28 27 22,671 26 sailon2 jahmbo SA 2 5 39 49 23,093 27 Raz'r SVKahoots 2 6 42 55 25,949 28 SteveJH Stephen_1987 2 6 49 24 26,185 29 Giddy Up G-Troit_Express_SA 2 10 42 57 38,366 30 bushsailor rushour 2 11 50 51 41,602 31 F15 AUS AUS3572 2 12 29 54 43,229 32 Flaming Flaming 2 12 45 49 43,894 33 Mike G MikeVentura 2 13 11 45 44,881 34 CordRipper RumHam 2 13 16 42 45,057 35 MalahideGreener The GreeneMachine 2 16 43 33 48,843 36 x2sea m2for-SA 9 18 1 51 56,427 37 bbl Gjallarhorn 11 7 54 39 57,975 38 Headntac Ryoochi 11 17 9 51 59,646 39 PB2207 Chi-2207 11 17 38 44 59,840 40 rhenders The Hooded Fang 11 17 39 58 59,847 41 klymen klymen 11 22 41 57 63,478 42 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 11 23 1 8 63,949 43 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 14 7 35 33 135,208 44 Laser1 Hotfoot 14 18 36 32 141,895 45 Kenny Dumas SA_ Kenny Dumas 15 14 23 21 152,099 46 Knut Grotzki SA_KnutG 16 4 46 42 158,251 47 Wattie MuritaiWatt 20 22 0 56 206,199 48 mad Sticky 20 22 26 44 212,732 49 CapnK KR deCap 21 0 10 43 233,928 50 Vibroman Vibroman_SA 2529 51 Mid SA_Mid 2016 52 MobyBick MobyBick 4695 53 gary Divided Sky 6801 54 Vin Hschutz 9106 Thanks for all the updates TR, when are we assembling again? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vin 155 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Yeah sorry....went to sleep on this one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,159 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 12 hours ago, mad said: Thanks for all the updates TR, when are we assembling again? No problem - it has been enjoyable. Here is the list in the VR calendar. I might well do the RORC 600 and see how many islands I can bounce off. Is there much interest from the rest of the gang? Looking ahead the only other one that grabs my attention is the Fastnet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,040 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 I kinda have to do C600. I have a bit of a reputation to uphold there. I've done it five times, finishing 6th in 2020, 6th in 2019, 4th in 2018, 1st in 2017, 11th in 2016. The 11th was my best finish at the time, and the win was my second win (only about 2 weeks after my first win). I like that event. With that said... The Auckland race that just finished has me less confident than usual. I shanked every decision in that one, and the spike in interest from Vendee has a huge number of people playing with fervor. We'll see. If you like coastal sprints, those events would be C600, SMQ, NCR, and Fastnet. I'll probably do most of those. Maybe all. Depends on how much sleep I lose trying to do well in the first couple. If you prefer long ocean passages, then the Transat, or the ongoing Tara Ocean thing (Isla Noir - Puerto Montt is starting in 5 days, and then Montte - Valpo, Valpo-Iquique, Iquique - Panama, Panama-Pitre, Pitre-Cayenne). I'm not doing Tara, and I'll probably skip the transat because transats get dull to me... The French really like transat races, so there are several per year. I might think about the Mini Transat or Sables Horta. The Tara would probably be fun if you've never done Clipper... Long passages on slowish boats can make for interesting strategy. But I've done two Clippers and last year's Magellan event (15 legs to circle the world in a caravelle that tacks through 130 degrees), so I'm a little tired of long passages on slowish boats. They add events all the time, so the calendar is far from set. They also generally have at least one record going. Right now, it's Jules Verne, though mid-April. You could start that any time in the next 2-3 weeks and still finish. I've never done very well in it, but I keep trying. (For those who don't know, records are events where you can start anytime, and the ranking is based on elapsed time, so finding a good start window is key... You can also pay credits to restart anytime, and can restart free after a finish, completing multiple runs if there's time). They haven't added whatever's next to the calendar yet. If they do LA-Honolulu, I've won that the last two years. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DRIFTW00D 114 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Have fun Mommie and Thank You Mr Rat.... BYEBYE... oh and one last thing!!! a big round of applause for one overly big wet PIG who took my idea and ran way to fastaway with it, Go Faster! Out 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuso007 641 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 6 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said: Looking ahead the only other one that grabs my attention is the Fastnet. Same here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,955 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 8 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said: No problem - it has been enjoyable. Here is the list in the VR calendar. I might well do the RORC 600 and see how many islands I can bounce off. Is there much interest from the rest of the gang? Looking ahead the only other one that grabs my attention is the Fastnet. probably the R600, channel race and Fastnet I think. Possibly one of the others if there's plenty of lumpy bits to avoid. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 547 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 New to VR. I looked years & years ago at the start of a Volvo and thought it was pay to play by default so canned that. Vendee was the first one but will do other bits & bobs home & work time permitting. Hoping to earn a few freebee points to buy some proper gear in the big events :-) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,040 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 4 hours ago, Laser1 said: Hoping to earn a few freebee points to buy some proper gear in the big events :-) If you just want to earn credits and you don't mind posting some awful finishes, my recommendation would be to just enter as many events as you can stand to deal with, without buying any options for any. Try to check in once a day and keep pointing in the right general direction. They usually give you far more time before the race closure deadline than even the most casual users need to finish. Literally just checking in once a day to re-activate autosails and set a decent straight-line course for the next 24 hours should get you to the finish, and will earn you some credits without much work. Of course, if you occasionally find one that you want to invest more time into, you'll get more credits out of that. The important thing is to remember to check into the race after finishing, and click the "Get" button to actually claim your credits. If you never do that, you don't get any credits for your finish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,159 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 RORC600 VR thread opened down the hallway. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hike, Bitches! 288 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I did the 1st leg of that Tara Ocean thing, and it was painful. An event that is only a few days might be fun like the RORC 600.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Hike, Bitches! said: I did the 1st leg of that Tara Ocean thing, and it was painful. An event that is only a few days might be fun like the RORC 600.. Tara leg 1 was quite painful, I spend 1/3 race at 1.5kts and not sail later legs. Looking forward to 600, should be fun! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,040 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 I also skipped the Tara, but FWIW... Apparently they improved the boatspeed starting with leg 2. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 8 hours ago, Your Mom said: I also skipped the Tara, but FWIW... Apparently they improved the boatspeed starting with leg 2. Was only really painful race I have ever sailed in (virtually). Looks as nice offerings ahead for 2021. Unsure regarding new scoring, ELO seems fairer but we will see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,040 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 4 hours ago, Jean-Baptiste said: Unsure regarding new scoring, ELO seems fairer but we will see. The new VSR is a participation contest. You can be ranked higher finishing 1,000th in every race than entering only 70% of races and winning every race you enter. Don't allow yourself to care about it unless you want to race in every event. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 9 hours ago, Your Mom said: The new VSR is a participation contest. You can be ranked higher finishing 1,000th in every race than entering only 70% of races and winning every race you enter. Don't allow yourself to care about it unless you want to race in every event. Precisely, unsurprisingly they have put economics ahead of accuracy. I think best plan is to just enter races that find of interest and not be concerned with ranking. I may just hold you off across the line in the Verne, my 11 day head start seems to have given me the required margin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/17/2021 at 10:48 PM, Your Mom said: The new VSR is a participation contest. You can be ranked higher finishing 1,000th in every race than entering only 70% of races and winning every race you enter. Don't allow yourself to care about it unless you want to race in every event. My apologies, I did believe I was up voting, turn out wss doing opposite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DtM 561 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 You da man Mid. Congrats. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bump-n-Grind 906 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Nord Stream Series anyone? 9 days out... SA_Bump is in..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shorthanded 731 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I’m in. What else do I have to to until the snow melts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,955 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I'm in as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,159 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 I'm in. Not paying anything, but I have quite a lot of credits so I will probably get some bells and whistles - to be decided on when a clearer forecast is available. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 547 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Yeah, why the heck not. The real thing is still quite a way off. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 13 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said: I'm in. Not paying anything, but I have quite a lot of credits so I will probably get some bells and whistles - to be decided on when a clearer forecast is available. My plan, I will get foils and see about sails when forecast becomes more clear. Bonne chance à tous! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bbl 9 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Gjallarhorn is in. Full pack: I want to know that it's me and not my boat when I sail badly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,159 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 New thread started, just down the hallway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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