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20 hours ago, Matagi said:

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Nice! What is it?  Small Waarschip?

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20 hours ago, Matagi said:

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Nice! What is it?  Small Warschip?

 

Can’t find it on their website, gotta link?

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1 hour ago, Crash said:

Nice! What is it?  Small Warschip?

 

Can’t find it on their website, gotta link?

No link, I made this ;). Here's what went into it:

My thinking was triggered by looking at videos of the Dehler 30OD and the L30, its complicated design and construction process and the myriad of lines you can twist and tweak to get it to speed in races like the Silverrudder. And then there is an avalanche of headsails: genoa, jib, staysail, Code 0, A2, A5, some boats have an Asym and a Sym. Furling, cableless or a jib with a reef? Anything goes. 

To me, that sounds overdoing it for amateur racing. You will find yourself changing sails so much because you fear you might lose 0.3 knots here or there. It is exhausting and lures you away from tactics and gaining miles by simply sailing well. It's also not much fun.

So: what is the simpliest way to do away with all that? And what would also be fun when tackling a 24-48 h race alone or with 2? I want to be able to tow it from my local lake, set it up in an hour and enjoy having time to look at weather and routing, while all the others are still fiddling with their ropes. Also, I believe it's a game of SA/D especially in the smaller classes. A catboat design, especially with three reefs and a wingmast should be very capable in all conditions, can provide safety like a large yacht and speed like a dinghy.

The idea above is a mixture of many designs I like a lot. Mainly they are:

The Hadron H 1 dinghy:

P1000830cs.jpg

It is ca. 4.20m and thus 2m smaller as my idea, but its construction is very close to what I have in mind. Of course, this is a centreboard, and is very, very light, just 80 kg for the hull. My design will weigh around 400 kg, which I think is doable at a length of 6.20m and a beam of ca. 2.2 m. 200kg / 50% will be in the bulb, ca. 1.40 m below. Keel and rudder should be lifting for ease of transport or even ramp launching.

Another design I like very much and from which I'd like to take some classic reminescences for the bow is the Pabouk

6797612d15aabb7048e8f74232ddd668.jpg

Here, the mast is extremely forward. But I still think it is a good idea to give catboat a slightly fuller bow. I would also like to have a watertight bulkhead in front of the mast that you can reach via a watertight hatch inside and also from the top. You could store things there for smaller trips, but in racing mode it would be filled with foam bags to ensure insubmersibility even in case of a hull cracking collision. 

The last design I looked at is the Marblehead 22, I mentioned earlier.

Zurn%20Marblehead%2022%20(3).jpg

I like how it looks classic, but I'm not as much a fan of Wishbone rigs. It's also pretty heavy for its length, and the aft sections are not good for a dinghy-like run. I think of ca. 18sq metres (194sq ft) main sail with three reefs on a carbon mast with three Dyneema stays (maybe even not). With 400kg of displacement, that gives us a SA/D of 33.7, that is more than a Farr 280.

Inside, it's very simple: two bunks below, with watertight sections below them. Another insubmersible section aft, below a slightly elevated aft deck, like in this Saffier. You can put large solar panels on in racing mode, or cushions for cruising. I would also give my design its extremely clever foldable windshield and roof for better protection.

DSC_2437.jpg

I think electrics would be something to closely look at. Propulsion should be electric, but I would also spend an extra dollar on a good navigation package and autopilot. The mainsheet could be splitted in a 1:2 part that goes to an electric captive winch, while the other end is for fine tuning.

Here is another version, with a slightly different bow, stern and mast position:

catboot2.thumb.jpg.7212c256b9223598aec787de26a7b6d0.jpg

 

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Lovely design, @Matagi.  Apart from the pot-catcher keel, I'd be very tempted.  Some of my own sketches go in that direction, but I haven't a fraction of your design skills.

15 minutes ago, Matagi said:

My thinking was triggered by looking at videos of the Dehler 30OD and the L30, its complicated design and construction process and the myriad of lines you can twist and tweak to get it to speed in races like the Silverrudder. And then there is an avalanche of headsails: genoa, jib, staysail, Code 0, A2, A5, some boats have an Asym and a Sym. Furling, cableless or a jib with a reef? Anything goes. 

To me, that sounds overdoing it for amateur racing. You will find yourself changing sails so much because you fear you might lose 0.3 knots here or there. It is exhausting and lures you away from tactics and gaining miles by simply sailing well. It's also not much fun.

I think there are two ways of looking at a racing boat.  One is to make to the best boat for collecting silverware.  If that's the prime goal, then the simplest way of collecting silverware is good.

The other way of looking at the purpose is to make the chase for silverware a spur for the priority of the fun of getting a group of people out on the water and keeping them busy working together. Teamwork feels good, and lots of string-pulling sail-trimming is good teamwork.

I have often peeked at boats on the docks and thought "too much string".  But OTOH, the boat with lots of string is best for teamwork, which is why for example the sail training vessels have deliberately labour-intensive rigs.

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Bob Perry's stout little 20' is for sale again...

https://www.sailingtexas.com/202101/sperry20101.html

...for pennies on the dollar. If I had the scratch I'd buy it!

Featured in Sailing:

https://sailingmagazine.net/article-797-perry-20.html

He posted here about it too.

 

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7 hours ago, blurocketsmate said:

Bob Perry's stout little 20' is for sale again...

https://www.sailingtexas.com/202101/sperry20101.html

...for pennies on the dollar. If I had the scratch I'd buy it!

I have a hunch that if that boat was shipped to somewhere there is more of a traditional boat culture, such as Maine or Port Townsend, it would fetch a higher price.

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20 hours ago, Matagi said:

No link, I made this ;). Here's what went into it:

My thinking was triggered by looking at videos of the Dehler 30OD and the L30, its complicated design and construction process and the myriad of lines you can twist and tweak to get it to speed in races like the Silverrudder. And then there is an avalanche of headsails: genoa, jib, staysail, Code 0, A2, A5, some boats have an Asym and a Sym. Furling, cableless or a jib with a reef? Anything goes. 

To me, that sounds overdoing it for amateur racing. You will find yourself changing sails so much because you fear you might lose 0.3 knots here or there. It is exhausting and lures you away from tactics and gaining miles by simply sailing well. It's also not much fun.

So: what is the simpliest way to do away with all that? And what would also be fun when tackling a 24-48 h race alone or with 2? I want to be able to tow it from my local lake, set it up in an hour and enjoy having time to look at weather and routing, while all the others are still fiddling with their ropes. Also, I believe it's a game of SA/D especially in the smaller classes. A catboat design, especially with three reefs and a wingmast should be very capable in all conditions, can provide safety like a large yacht and speed like a dinghy.

The idea above is a mixture of many designs I like a lot. Mainly they are:

The Hadron H 1 dinghy:

P1000830cs.jpg

It is ca. 4.20m and thus 2m smaller as my idea, but its construction is very close to what I have in mind. Of course, this is a centreboard, and is very, very light, just 80 kg for the hull. My design will weigh around 400 kg, which I think is doable at a length of 6.20m and a beam of ca. 2.2 m. 200kg / 50% will be in the bulb, ca. 1.40 m below. Keel and rudder should be lifting for ease of transport or even ramp launching.

Another design I like very much and from which I'd like to take some classic reminescences for the bow is the Pabouk

6797612d15aabb7048e8f74232ddd668.jpg

Here, the mast is extremely forward. But I still think it is a good idea to give catboat a slightly fuller bow. I would also like to have a watertight bulkhead in front of the mast that you can reach via a watertight hatch inside and also from the top. You could store things there for smaller trips, but in racing mode it would be filled with foam bags to ensure insubmersibility even in case of a hull cracking collision. 

The last design I looked at is the Marblehead 22, I mentioned earlier.

Zurn%20Marblehead%2022%20(3).jpg

I like how it looks classic, but I'm not as much a fan of Wishbone rigs. It's also pretty heavy for its length, and the aft sections are not good for a dinghy-like run. I think of ca. 18sq metres (194sq ft) main sail with three reefs on a carbon mast with three Dyneema stays (maybe even not). With 400kg of displacement, that gives us a SA/D of 33.7, that is more than a Farr 280.

Inside, it's very simple: two bunks below, with watertight sections below them. Another insubmersible section aft, below a slightly elevated aft deck, like in this Saffier. You can put large solar panels on in racing mode, or cushions for cruising. I would also give my design its extremely clever foldable windshield and roof for better protection.

DSC_2437.jpg

I think electrics would be something to closely look at. Propulsion should be electric, but I would also spend an extra dollar on a good navigation package and autopilot. The mainsheet could be splitted in a 1:2 part that goes to an electric captive winch, while the other end is for fine tuning.

Here is another version, with a slightly different bow, stern and mast position:

catboot2.thumb.jpg.7212c256b9223598aec787de26a7b6d0.jpg

 

I could show you a fistful of my own sketches. (And I DO mean sketches, pencil only alas) They all follow these same identical thoughts and ideas.      Someday.... they may become a reality.... someday...!

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15 hours ago, blurocketsmate said:

Bob Perry's stout little 20' is for sale again...

https://www.sailingtexas.com/202101/sperry20101.html

...for pennies on the dollar. If I had the scratch I'd buy it!

Featured in Sailing:

https://sailingmagazine.net/article-797-perry-20.html

He posted here about it too.

 

I love this in Bob's @Bob Perry review:

"Dr. Rob just wanted the porta potty but I could see myself cruising the San Juans in this boat so I added a mini-galley, some V-berths, racks for binoculars, ChapStick, flashlight and a corn cob pipe or two and some lockers for the Dinty Moore."

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On 1/24/2021 at 3:28 PM, Matagi said:

No link, I made this ;). Here's what went into it:

My thinking was triggered by looking at videos of the Dehler 30OD and the L30, its complicated design and construction process and the myriad of lines you can twist and tweak to get it to speed in races like the Silverrudder. And then there is an avalanche of headsails: genoa, jib, staysail, Code 0, A2, A5, some boats have an Asym and a Sym. Furling, cableless or a jib with a reef? Anything goes. 

To me, that sounds overdoing it for amateur racing. You will find yourself changing sails so much because you fear you might lose 0.3 knots here or there. It is exhausting and lures you away from tactics and gaining miles by simply sailing well. It's also not much fun.

So: what is the simpliest way to do away with all that? And what would also be fun when tackling a 24-48 h race alone or with 2? I want to be able to tow it from my local lake, set it up in an hour and enjoy having time to look at weather and routing, while all the others are still fiddling with their ropes. Also, I believe it's a game of SA/D especially in the smaller classes. A catboat design, especially with three reefs and a wingmast should be very capable in all conditions, can provide safety like a large yacht and speed like a dinghy.

The idea above is a mixture of many designs I like a lot. Mainly they are:

The Hadron H 1 dinghy:

P1000830cs.jpg

It is ca. 4.20m and thus 2m smaller as my idea, but its construction is very close to what I have in mind. Of course, this is a centreboard, and is very, very light, just 80 kg for the hull. My design will weigh around 400 kg, which I think is doable at a length of 6.20m and a beam of ca. 2.2 m. 200kg / 50% will be in the bulb, ca. 1.40 m below. Keel and rudder should be lifting for ease of transport or even ramp launching.

Another design I like very much and from which I'd like to take some classic reminescences for the bow is the Pabouk

6797612d15aabb7048e8f74232ddd668.jpg

Here, the mast is extremely forward. But I still think it is a good idea to give catboat a slightly fuller bow. I would also like to have a watertight bulkhead in front of the mast that you can reach via a watertight hatch inside and also from the top. You could store things there for smaller trips, but in racing mode it would be filled with foam bags to ensure insubmersibility even in case of a hull cracking collision. 

The last design I looked at is the Marblehead 22, I mentioned earlier.

Zurn%20Marblehead%2022%20(3).jpg

I like how it looks classic, but I'm not as much a fan of Wishbone rigs. It's also pretty heavy for its length, and the aft sections are not good for a dinghy-like run. I think of ca. 18sq metres (194sq ft) main sail with three reefs on a carbon mast with three Dyneema stays (maybe even not). With 400kg of displacement, that gives us a SA/D of 33.7, that is more than a Farr 280.

Inside, it's very simple: two bunks below, with watertight sections below them. Another insubmersible section aft, below a slightly elevated aft deck, like in this Saffier. You can put large solar panels on in racing mode, or cushions for cruising. I would also give my design its extremely clever foldable windshield and roof for better protection.

DSC_2437.jpg

I think electrics would be something to closely look at. Propulsion should be electric, but I would also spend an extra dollar on a good navigation package and autopilot. The mainsheet could be splitted in a 1:2 part that goes to an electric captive winch, while the other end is for fine tuning.

Here is another version, with a slightly different bow, stern and mast position:

catboot2.thumb.jpg.7212c256b9223598aec787de26a7b6d0.jpg

 

I agree about thee T-bulb being an issue if you are somewhere where there are weed issues. Have you seen Mark Ellis' Naiad? It is an open 18' Nonsuch basically. I am a fan of the wishbone does simplify things. Thirty five years ago (I must of been very young at the time) I sailed the first of these which was a custom cold-moulded boat, built for Gordon Fisher who commissioned the original Nonsuch 30. They only built about 20 f/g ones, I think because they were pricey.

 

 

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That is a very nice looking boat, it reminds me of Hubert Raudaschl's 'Spirit of Piran', or 'RN 20'.

It's ca 6m long, 1,75m wide and weighs just 150 kg, it has a lifting keel with ballast.

Raudaschl is sailmaker and gave this boat a latin sail and later on a junk rig of sorts, very cool.

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5 hours ago, Matagi said:

That is a very nice looking boat, it reminds me of Hubert Raudaschl's 'Spirit of Piran', or 'RN 20'.

It's ca 6m long, 1,75m wide and weighs just 150 kg, it has a lifting keel with ballast.

Raudaschl is sailmaker and gave this boat a latin sail and later on a junk rig of sorts, very cool.

rn20_2.jpg

The sails for my Wayfarer were built by Raudaschl, the top boats used them or North. 

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38 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

The sails for my Wayfarer were built by Raudaschl, the top boats used them or North. 

The toronto Raudaschal, sailmaker rausaschal also fronted a small keel boat design...late '80's???...20 ft, open keel boat??

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The only thing worse than a boat that doesn’t sail to weather is one that won’t go down wind. Cat rigs suck DDW. Gotta balance the COE somehow. 

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That's why we make it fast enough never to go DDW ;)

But it's easier in a dinghy to play with weight. That's why I think, there is a size limit around 20 to 22 ft where qn essentially large Hadron with a keel would still work. Above that, other weight factors dominate.

You can do a lot with mast positioning, rake and fwd volume, though.

 

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I'm too lazy to scroll up, what ever happened with the A28 in Idaho?

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17 hours ago, Kenny Dumas said:

The only thing worse than a boat that doesn’t sail to weather is one that won’t go down wind. Cat rigs suck DDW. Gotta balance the COE somehow. 

If you trim the main a little, the force off the sail includes a vector pulling the bow to leeward, partially reducing weather helm. This trick does not work in sloops because the mast is too far aft.

A good catboat design has enough sail area that you can afford to trim for balance,  not for best aerodynamic efficiency. 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, SemiSalt said:
17 hours ago, Kenny Dumas said:

The only thing worse than a boat that doesn’t sail to weather is one that won’t go down wind. Cat rigs suck DDW. Gotta balance the COE somehow. 

If you trim the main a little, the force off the sail includes a vector pulling the bow to leeward, partially reducing weather helm. This trick does not work in sloops because the mast is too far aft.

A good catboat design has enough sail area that you can afford to trim for balance,  not for best aerodynamic efficiency. 

Besides, it's a catboat. If stuff like that bothers you, don't get one.

Or, you can set a blooper.

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22 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Besides, it's a catboat. If stuff like that bothers you, don't get one.

Or, you can set a blooper.

I like the idea of a catboat with blooper.  A fine way to screw with the heads of onlookers

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On 1/28/2021 at 5:10 AM, bmiller said:

I'm too lazy to scroll up, what ever happened with the A28 in Idaho?

We're in the process of buying her!  Updates soon.  

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On 1/28/2021 at 5:24 AM, SemiSalt said:

If you trim the main a little, the force off the sail includes a vector pulling the bow to leeward, partially reducing weather helm. This trick does not work in sloops because the mast is too far aft.

A good catboat design has enough sail area that you can afford to trim for balance,  not for best aerodynamic efficiency. 

 

 

 

Indeed, also, if you practice on a Laser, you'll figure out how to make it go downwind. DDW, no. By the lee? oh yeah.

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1 hour ago, socalrider said:

We're in the process of buying her!  Updates soon.  

How did the survey happen?

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On 1/29/2021 at 11:38 AM, Bull City said:

How did the survey happen?

I found a well reputed local shipwright to take a close look at her and spend an hour on the phone with me running through the boat.  I'll get an insurance survey done once she arrives here.  I also did a bunch of research into the owner & the yard where she's kept which made me comfortable enough to recommend moving forward.  

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3 hours ago, socalrider said:

I found a well reputed local shipwright to take a close look at her and spend an hour on the phone with me running through the boat.  I'll get an insurance survey done once she arrives here.  I also did a bunch of research into the owner & the yard where she's kept which made me comfortable enough to recommend moving forward.  

That sounds like a very sensible approach. You were dealing with a well regarded production boat, not too old, and not a lot complicated systems.

Please post photos of Mom and Dad sailing her! :D

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Yeah, I want to see her sailing in San Diego, with mom and dad aboard, too.

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1 hour ago, Bull City said:

That sounds like a very sensible approach. You were dealing with a well regarded production boat, not too old, and not a lot complicated systems.

Please post photos of Mom and Dad sailing her! :D

Exactly - and the price was good enough that we'll still be in good shape even if there are a few surprises.  

49 minutes ago, Alan H said:

Yeah, I want to see her sailing in San Diego, with mom and dad aboard, too.

Me too!  I'll certainly take some pics once we're up and running.  Still have to get her here, re-rigged, deal with the trailer, etc. etc...  But the parents are very excited.  Even though it's 10x the price of an older plastic boat, she's beautiful, and should be easier for them to manage.  She's small and straightforward enough that my daughters should be able to take them out sailing as well once they've got her figured out.  

Edit: checking back to my original post 6 pages ago the A28 was the first serious candidate I mentioned.  Thanks all for the input - this is a great thread.  

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13 hours ago, socalrider said:

Exactly - and the price was good enough that we'll still be in good shape even if there are a few surprises.  

Me too!  I'll certainly take some pics once we're up and running.  Still have to get her here, re-rigged, deal with the trailer, etc. etc...  But the parents are very excited.  Even though it's 10x the price of an older plastic boat, she's beautiful, and should be easier for them to manage.  She's small and straightforward enough that my daughters should be able to take them out sailing as well once they've got her figured out.  

Edit: checking back to my original post 6 pages ago the A28 was the first serious candidate I mentioned.  Thanks all for the input - this is a great thread.  

Congratulations. Beautiful boat.

Is it a done deal?

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3 hours ago, Ripply said:

It's like somebody read the title of this thread. 

"KISS22:  The daysailer for every senior racing sailer"

Kiss22-sailplan.jpg

https://www.kiss22-daysailer.info/

 

They pat themselves on the back for finally coming up with the solution...

Apparently, they missed the Marblehead 22. (Discussed previously in this thread, as was this one also mentioned).  It’s for ‘senior’ sailors but has a cockpit for young’ uns.  There’s no comfort there.  Back to the drawing board boys and also add about 8 or 10’ loa.  (But you’re on the right track...)

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5 hours ago, Veeger said:

They pat themselves on the back for finally coming up with the solution...

Apparently, they missed the Marblehead 22. (Discussed previously in this thread, as was this one also mentioned).  It’s for ‘senior’ sailors but has a cockpit for young’ uns.  There’s no comfort there.  Back to the drawing board boys and also add about 8 or 10’ loa.  (But you’re on the right track...)

Whoops I missed that one being mentioned earlier.  Good point about comfort- have to agree there.  Squeezing into that interior looks like a young person's game also.  And seniors certainly don't need lifelines or pulpits, right?  ;) 

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23 hours ago, Ripply said:

It's like somebody read the title of this thread. 

"KISS22:  The daysailer for every senior racing sailer"

Kiss-D.jpg

https://www.kiss22-daysailer.info/

 

Yeah, I had seen that, it is very close to what I had in mind. I'm not sure of the progress of this project, though, last I saw was that the yard in question is building a Waarschip 30 CR, not something like this. They also have the Waarschip 700, which is very close to the proportions of this one. Might just as well change the rig and off you go.

A lifting keel and rudder would help ramp launching it. I'm not a fan of Wishbone rigs, I think much of what you gain aerodynamically with an unstayed mast gets lost with turbulence created from this boom that sits right across where most lift is created.

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Btw: The idea is not that new, the Wyliecat 17 is a very similar concept, much smaller of course.

Wyliecat-17-Sail-Data_1.jpg?resizeid=3

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Update: funds have been transferred & documentation is complete!  We have a boat!  

She should arrive here on Wednesday or Thursday; Driscoll yard will splash her and Rigworks will tension the rig, then we'll take her over to her slip at Harbor Island West.  

Just so happens we came to the top of the wait list for a mooring ball for our trawler at America's Cup Harbor last week after seven years!  So I will keep the A28 and a dinghy at HIW and the trawler on the mooring - for a total moorage of about 30% what it would be at Kona Kai.  That buys a lot of boat parts.  

Couple of pics from the seller attached.  I'll take some fresh ones once she's back in salt water.  

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Excellent - congrats! Beautiful color and everything.

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Glad this worked out, lovely boat.

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Ya done good for the 'rents!

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Very nice boat!

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Sweet. Looks like she had been home ported in Naples, Florida.

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2 hours ago, Bull City said:

Sweet. Looks like she had been home ported in Naples, Florida.

Yup. One owner, in FL until moved to ID four years ago. 

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On 2/4/2021 at 12:12 PM, socalrider said:

Update: funds have been transferred & documentation is complete!  We have a boat!  

She should arrive here on Wednesday or Thursday; Driscoll yard will splash her and Rigworks will tension the rig, then we'll take her over to her slip at Harbor Island West.  

Just so happens we came to the top of the wait list for a mooring ball for our trawler at America's Cup Harbor last week after seven years!  So I will keep the A28 and a dinghy at HIW and the trawler on the mooring - for a total moorage of about 30% what it would be at Kona Kai.  That buys a lot of boat parts.  

Couple of pics from the seller attached.  I'll take some fresh ones once she's back in salt water.  

DSCF9487 2.jpeg

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Congrats. One of my favourites boats of all time.  Also love the name Boadicea, which happens to be the name of my gravel bike!  That was woman with stones!

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Altair is looking forward to meeting her sister!  (Not sure why the image got rotated.)IMG_2752.JPG.c538476ae179cbf121c911f523ef0062.JPG

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1 hour ago, Son of Hans said:

Altair is looking forward to meeting her sister! 

Thanks so much for letting us take a look at her!  Not sure we would have had the confidence to buy remotely if it wasn’t for your generous offer to show us your baby!

Lets start a one design fleet!  :)

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1 hour ago, Son of Hans said:

Not sure why the image got rotated.

There are people here who can fix that.

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All packed up and ready to go.  Should arrive on Thursday!

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6 hours ago, kinardly said:

Looks great. You've got to be besides yourself with anticipation.

We are. Been a rough year, but the parents are vaccinated now and we have a boat on the way. Things are looking up. 

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Awesome! I look forward to seeing pics of your parents sailing their new boat.

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19 hours ago, socalrider said:

All packed up and ready to go.  Should arrive on Thursday!

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Impressive job prepping the boat for a road trip. I like the custom built cradle carrying the mast, fits nicely around the jib boom.

 

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2 hours ago, Bull City said:

@socalrider She looks beautiful. Who's going to keep up the brightwork? ;)

Well so far we've had mixed results in our varnish training program for 7-12 year old girls.  Wife seems to genuinely enjoy it, though mostly I suspect because it pulls her away from all the other 7-12 year old girl training programs to which she has been committed, and of course commits me to said programs in her stead.  Which drives me in turn to develop a previously undiscovered affinity for brightwork.  

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Like the look of that boat, it looks most suitable.

Love the name, well I would living in Bouddicca's Iceni tribe homeland.. Which is Norfolk, UK..

Coincidentally this picture is taken at Norfolk Broads Yacht Club,  I've sailed there occasionally. image.thumb.png.05a161feab28c593d04137d364df4644.png

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34 minutes ago, socalrider said:

Well so far we've had mixed results in our varnish training program for 7-12 year old girls.  Wife seems to genuinely enjoy it, though mostly I suspect because it pulls her away from all the other 7-12 year old girl training programs to which she has been committed, and of course commits me to said programs in her stead.  Which drives me in turn to develop a previously undiscovered affinity for brightwork.  

Brightwork as escape. I like it.

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32 minutes ago, The Q said:

Like the look of that boat, it looks most suitable.

Love the name, well I would living in Bouddicca's Iceni tribe homeland.. Which is Norfolk, UK..

Coincidentally this picture is taken at Norfolk Broads Yacht Club,  I've sailed there occasionally. image.thumb.png.05a161feab28c593d04137d364df4644.png

that's one seriously hot dinghy...what is it?

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