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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

What exactly is the thought process that equates rubbing a flag on your stinky pits with "patriotism" or "nationalism?" Buying flag-themed stuff made in China because it's the cheapest possible?

Your country is not a sports team.  

Re David Brooks article above... it's well written, I don't disagree. Kind of saccharine though, he veers away from mapping out what "American values and ideals" are other than diversity yes, extreme individualism no. Of course, that could be a very long article. But in condemning Donald Trump, he's on the same page as I am, that Trump and his most enthusiastic supporters are in fact anti-American no matter how vigorously they wave the flag.

- DSK

Totally agree with the concept of wearing American flag clothing and such.  I am not a fan.  

Good points on the Brooks article.  Maybe there should be another thread on what are American "Values and Ideals"? 

But I think it is that notion of extreme individualism that has been pushed by the left in the past that has been the real killer of this country's values.  And not only has individualism been pushed, but I believe there has been an active effort to tear down and mock the notion of patriotism and love of country by many on the left as well.  

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/03/how-views-patriotism-vary-by-party/

On Tuesday, for example, Gallup released survey data looking at the extent to which respondents said they were proud to be Americans. The percentage saying they were “very” or “extremely” proud to be American is at its lowest point since Gallup first asked the question in 2001. As many people say they were very or extremely proud to be an American today as said they were extremely proud 16 years ago.

Democrats have driven this drop: The percentage of Democrats saying they’re extremely proud to be American has sunk from 56 percent in 2013 to 22 percent this year. There was a drop among independents as well over that period, from 50 to 41 percent. Among Republicans, though, pride has risen since 2015, from 68 to 76 percent. The Trump effect.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Totally agree with the concept of wearing American flag clothing and such.  I am not a fan.  

Good points on the Brooks article.  Maybe there should be another thread on what are American "Values and Ideals"? 

But I think it is that notion of extreme individualism that has been pushed by the left in the past that has been the real killer of this country's values.  And not only has individualism been pushed, but I believe there has been an active effort to tear down and mock the notion of patriotism and love of country by many on the left as well.  

 

:lol: Karen man, #1 autofellationist in PA, blames the left for his dumbfuckery. Look in a fucking mirror, moron. Your whole “I need a gun to protect myself from the gubmint” is individualism writ large, dumbfuck. Dumbfucks like trailertrash Tom ray with their libertarian bullshitery.

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This is an even better article on the concept of patriotism and nationalism:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/opinion/nationalism-patriotism-liberals-.html

The resurgence of blood-and-soil nationalism around the world seems to prove that appeals to nationhood are too racist, too tribal and too dangerous to be of value. Yet surrendering patriotism to champions of the ethno-state abdicates the fight for the soul and meaning of the American project.

The American left, from the center of the Democratic Party to its insurgent challengers, needs a dose of national vision. One of the core lessons of Trumpian politics is that Americans are starved for a meaningful politics of what it means to be American. Getting rid of the vainglorious Trump administration is only a partial solution. The causes of his rise remain.

Call what is needed a reinvigoration of “civic nationalism” or “civic republicanism” (a reference to the ancient political ideal, not the party). This is a revival of the “bond of common faith,” the “bond of common goal,” as Robert Kennedy once put it, which needs constructive outlets if what is left of American democracy is to survive.

In recent decades, progressive forces in the United States have split between two positions, both of which surrender a robust and hopeful sense of national citizenship. On one track can be found a cosmopolitan economic elite that embrace a multicultural world order shaped largely by the politics of corporate globalization. On the other track are radical critics of the racism and imperialism of the American state who often support local community and transnational solidarity but maintain a deep cynicism, even despair, about the American project. Both groups have abdicated the national story to their shared political enemies. What remains is a fervent hybrid of nationalism and anti-statism, an echo of the rebel yell.

The American past, according to the historian Gary Gerstle in his book “American Crucible,” can be understood as a struggle between “two powerful and contradictory ideals” — a civic and racialized national vision. Yet the dissolution of a progressive civic dimension has left us with an unchallenged ethno-racial nationalism.

Globalization has further complicated the problem. In a dizzying world of oppressive economic and political inequality, global trade, immigration and technological disruption, voters seek grounding not in technocratic detail but in place, in time, in tradition and, above all, in the shared fate, history and meaning of the nation.

The unhealed wounds of the 2008 financial crisis may have laid the way for Donald Trump, but the full mosaic of the American working class has long been looking desperately for routes to make America great again. As globalization expanded, it pounded foreign cars with sledge hammers, sponsored protective tariffs, promoted “Buy American” campaigns, tried to defeat Nafta, tried to organize unions and fought against undocumented migrant labor. But the plants closed anyway, domestic and foreign capital moved around, mass migrations happened, attacks on worker protections proceeded at a relentless pace, and the increasingly complicated world of national politics seemed more focused on Davos than Peoria.

Before the 1960s, dissenting and progressive movements regularly invoked nationalist and patriotic themes. The 19th-century Knights of Labor — one of the more inclusive labor organizations in American history — couldn’t get enough of the Fourth of July and the Declaration of Independence. Teddy Roosevelt advocated his “New Nationalism” as a counterbalance to the seemingly unchecked power of the robber barons. The socialist leader Eugene V. Debs drew on American traditions to frame his radical critiques of corporate power. The labor upheavals of the 1930s openly expressed faith in a “working-class Americanism.” Even the American Communist Party cloaked itself in “Americanism” and the words and visage of Abraham Lincoln. In Franklin Roosevelt’s efforts to reconfigure class power, he did not attempt to speak for workers or the poor but simply said that tax on the rich was “the American thing to do.

In the midst of the Cold War, when Paul Robeson was questioned by House Committee on Un-American Activities about his association with the African-American radical Ben Davis, he replied, “I say that he is as patriotic an American as there can be, and you gentlemen belong with the Alien and Sedition Acts, and you are the nonpatriots, and you are the un-Americans, and you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.”

Reviving this older stream of dissenting rests on the active interests and lost authority of its citizens and its fading democratic values. This would replace “my country right or wrong” with the centuries-long struggle, as the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. put it, “to be true to what you said on paper.” This is the position from which voting rights, civil rights, immigrant rights and economic rights can be fought: with a vision of what is acceptably American and what is not. Decent people will rise to the challenge.

The nation is the only “imagined community,” as Benedict Anderson put, where everything from mass transit to health care to wealth distribution to a green economy can find traction. A rejuvenated national vision would transcend the backward-looking — and often reactionary — search for an America in arrested decay that has too often informed politics since Ronald Reagan first promised to make America great again.

Civic patriotism must also be an aspirational story of struggle and inclusion. The narcissistic and racist politics of right-wing nationalism must be challenged with an expansive and inclusive civic vision about hope and potential. It’s what Barack Obama spoke of at the 50th anniversary of the Selma march. Standing before the Edmund Pettus Bridge, he asked, “What greater form of patriotism is there than the belief that America is not yet finished, that we are strong enough to be self-critical, that each successive generation can look upon our imperfections and decide that it is in our power to remake this nation to more closely align with our highest ideals?”

To be sure, the rhetoric of nationalism can be dangerous in a place with a history of settler colonialism, slavery, anti-immigrant hysteria and territorial expansion. Any civic framing risks fomenting exclusion by drawing lines between those who are in and those who are out — an especially profound problem in an era of mass migration. Yet when the American left abandons any vision of social patriotism because of the racist ugliness it has come to symbolize, it concedes the American story to the voices of exclusion and avarice.

The pragmatist philosopher Richard Rorty made many of these arguments 20 years ago in a book, “Achieving Our Country.” That book became famous after the 2016 election for having predicted the rise of a “strongman” to fill the void in national politics. He feared that indulging in cultural politics rather than emphasizing the material interests of American working people, and surrendering the struggle to shape the national vision where that can happen, would lead to such a catastrophe. While his nightmare of the nationalist demagogue has come to pass, few people are talking about the foundation of his predictions.

Patriotism may well be the last refuge of the scoundrel, but as a pragmatist like Mr. Rorty would tell you, it is too powerful and too important to leave to the scoundrels. Voters are in search of a place of vision for average Americans, a place of idealism in an age of cynicism, a place of unity in a time of fracture and a place where policy can be embedded in something greater than technocracy.

While commentators are getting worked up over the revival of “socialism,” an increasing number of insurgent blue-collar Democrats across the country are looking to recapture a sense of nation. The dark-horse candidate from Kansas, the Army veteran James Thompson, for instance, promises to “Fight for America.”

As we approach midterm elections, we urgently need to hear these messages in good faith and rise to their challenge.

 

 

Note this was written in 2018 before the mid-terms.  The democrats ignored this message then and they are ignoring it again now.  As the red bolded states above, getting rid of trump is only the first step.  Americans are craving a sense of national vision and definition.  And it is NOT to be found in the multicultural cat herding the Dems have been doing for decades now.  Unless Biden and the dems find a vision and purpose for what 'Murica is and should be and work to achieve that unifying goal, there WILL be more trumps to come.  The one and only reason trump won in 2016 and why there's a decent chance he can still win despite the complete shitshow of the last 4 years is because he at least is offering a vision of America, as twisted as his version is.  The dems are offering nothing along those lines other than "not trump".  That may just barely eke out a win for Biden in a few days.  But it will not last if this issue is not addressed ASAP.  And the dems continuing to make patriotism, nationalism and pride in country a dirty word is shooting yourselves in the foot and ultimately will put another shitstain back in office eventually.  

Just saying.  

 

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1 minute ago, Burning Man said:

This is an even better article on the concept of patriotism and nationalism:

 

 

Note this was written in 2018 before the mid-terms.  The democrats ignored this message then and they are ignoring it again now.  As the red bolded states above, getting rid of trump is only the first step.  Americans are craving a sense of national vision and definition.  And it is NOT to be found in the multicultural cat herding the Dems have been doing for decades now.  Unless Biden and the dems find a vision and purpose for what 'Murica is and should be and work to achieve that unifying goal, there WILL be more trumps to come.  The one and only reason trump won in 2016 and why there's a decent chance he can still win despite the complete shitshow of the last 4 years is because he at least is offering a vision of America, as twisted as his version is.  The dems are offering nothing along those lines other than "not trump".  That may just barely eke out a win for Biden in a few days.  But it will not last if this issue is not addressed ASAP.  And the dems continuing to make patriotism, nationalism and pride in country a dirty word is shooting yourselves in the foot and ultimately will put another shitstain back in office eventually.  

Just saying.  

 

I guess you haven’t been listening to Joe. Ahh well, typical. 

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7 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

I guess you haven’t been listening to Joe. Ahh well, typical. 

No, I have been.  And I just voted for Joe - by mail.  (Buh by, donnie).

But no, I have not heard any true unifying vision of what it means to be American or to recapture a sense of national pride or patriotism.  And it's not just his words.....  there are too many factions within the democRAT party who are violently opposed to a unifying vision and sense of national pride.  Instead, they want to push the notion of anger, shame and penance for past injustices.  Those are diametrically opposed ideas to a unifying sense of national pride.  

Edit to add:  I don't really expect Joe himself to address this on day one.  He's going to have his hands busy hopefully undoing all the damage shitstain has done and firing all his lackeys and purging them out of the gov't.  So I'm fine with Joe dealing with the immediate alligators closest to the canoe for now.  But this has to be something both parties need to reckon with.  And soon.  Certainly by 2024.

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From the Brooks article:

Donald Trump says he is a nationalist, but you can’t be a nationalist if you despise half the nation.

Similarly, you can't be a patriot if you fly the flag as a political rather than as a national symbol. So when dickhead Republicans coyly fly the flag in blue areas because they know better than to put up Shitstain signs, that isn't patriotism. That's just a scoundrel taking his last refuge.

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4 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

So when dickhead Republicans coyly fly the flag in blue areas because they know better than to put up Shitstain signs, that isn't patriotism. That's just a scoundrel taking his last refuge.

How much do you make as a mindreader?  Does it pay well?  However, I suggest you don't quit your day job just yet.

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5 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

How much do you make as a mindreader?  Does it pay well?  However, I suggest you don't quit your day job just yet.

That's your plausible deniability acting up. You just need to up your hydroxychloroquine dosage a tad. That and look up the word coyly.

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7 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

No, I have been.  And I just voted for Joe - by mail.  (Buh by, donnie).

But no, I have not heard any true unifying vision of what it means to be American or to recapture a sense of national pride or patriotism.  And it's not just his words.....  there are too many factions within the democRAT party who are violently opposed to a unifying vision and sense of national pride.  Instead, they want to push the notion of anger, shame and penance for past injustices.  Those are diametrically opposed ideas to a unifying sense of national pride.  

Edit to add:  I don't really expect Joe himself to address this on day one.  He's going to have his hands busy hopefully undoing all the damage shitstain has done and firing all his lackeys and purging them out of the gov't.  So I'm fine with Joe dealing with the immediate alligators closest to the canoe for now.  But this has to be something both parties need to reckon with.  And soon.  Certainly by 2024.

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I don't think you've actually heard much that actual Democratic politicians are saying. It really sounds like you listen more to what the Right-Wing Noise Machine says about Democrats.

There are minority factions who -generally- align with the Democratic Party (because they're welcome there) who do NOT want a knee on their necks.

This is seen as arguing for some kind of black supremacy, by the white supremacists.

You're welcome.

- DSK

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Just now, Olsonist said:

That's just your plausible deniability acting up. You just need to up your hydroxychloroquine dosage a tad. That and look up the word coyly.

I'm well aware of what coyly means without looking it up.  Here, I'll use it in a sentence:

"Olsen's boyfriend slid his dick in O's ass while pretending it happened by accident, all the while coyly smiling"

I'm simply saying that you have no idea why some people fly flags.  Are some political?  Sure.  But I was not aware there is a rule against flying a 'Murican flag in a Blue area.  What motivations do you ascribe to D's flying 'Murican flags in red areas?  Oh wait, never mind.  Dems are embarrassed to own, much less fly American flags.  Hence proving my entire fucking point above.  

As evadent.

 

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14 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

No, I have been.  And I just voted for Joe - by mail.  (Buh by, donnie).

But no, I have not heard any true unifying vision of what it means to be American or to recapture a sense of national pride or patriotism.  And it's not just his words.....  there are too many factions within the democRAT party who are violently opposed to a unifying vision and sense of national pride.  Instead, they want to push the notion of anger, shame and penance for past injustices.  Those are diametrically opposed ideas to a unifying sense of national pride.  

Edit to add:  I don't really expect Joe himself to address this on day one.  He's going to have his hands busy hopefully undoing all the damage shitstain has done and firing all his lackeys and purging them out of the gov't.  So I'm fine with Joe dealing with the immediate alligators closest to the canoe for now.  But this has to be something both parties need to reckon with.  And soon.  Certainly by 2024.

I agree vision matters. That you can’t see the vision says more about you.

oh, and the Dems have always been herding cats, they have noisy factions. It is what it is.

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7 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

I don't think you've actually heard much that actual Democratic politicians are saying. It really sounds like you listen more to what the Right-Wing Noise Machine says about Democrats.

There are minority factions who -generally- align with the Democratic Party (because they're welcome there) who do NOT want a knee on their necks.

This is seen as arguing for some kind of black supremacy, by the white supremacists.

You're welcome.

- DSK

I don't listen to any RWNM outlets.  100% of my news comes from NPR, PBS and the NYT.  And I have been listening to what Joe and the Dems are saying.  Mostly it's "not trump".  Which is fine for now.  But it won't carry the water from much longer.  

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2 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

I agree vision matters. That you can’t see the vision says more about you.

oh, and the Dems have always been herding cats, they have noisy factions. It is what it is.

Please give me an example of the vision then.  What is he going to do to specifically address the ideas I've stated above such as a return to patriotism and nationalism or at least a national sense of civic pride and love of country?

And the issue is that many of your cats are loudly saying they hate America and want nothing to do with it.  THAT will continue to be a problem for Dems.  Until you corral those and get them to tone it down and work FOR the country and not against it, you guys will face an uphill battle on this.

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2 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

I'm simply saying that you have no idea why some people fly flags.  Are some political?  Sure.

How much do you make as a mindreader?

Seriously, you just admitted that people (the aforementioned dickhead Republicans) do this and yet you're complaining about people noticing it. That's your inner Karen acting up. You just need to up your hydroxychloroquine dosage a tad. 

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3 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Please give me an example of the vision then.  What is he going to do to specifically address the ideas I've stated above such as a return to patriotism and nationalism or at least a national sense of civic pride and love of country?

And the issue is that many of your cats are loudly saying they hate America and want nothing to do with it.  THAT will continue to be a problem for Dems.  Until you corral those and get them to tone it down and work FOR the country and not against it, you guys will face an uphill battle on this.

Ahhh, the cry for fascism from our little mastershit.

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And @Raz'r I'm not talking about a "vision" for HC or the green new deal, or whatever other specific topic.  I'm asking what is the unifying vision of the democratic party for ALL of America?  What are the ideas that bind us all together?  Like or not, it was the concept of MAGA that was shitstain's unifying vision.  And it worked and is still working to a point.  I think one of the biggest mistakes you all made back in 2016 and are doing again now was to rail against MAGA.  Hillary and the D's made is sound like America wasn't great and that we didn't have any right to be great, given our past mistakes and injustices.  You made America being great a dirty word.  I hate shitstains implementation of MAGA.  But he was on the right track to address it.  As the articles above correctly said, people from both sides of the divide are craving it.  Not having it is what has created the divide in the first place.  And furthermore, the progressives actively trying to destroy the concept of patriotism, a sense of national identity, etc. has furthered the divide.  And it ceded the playing field to the GOP who took advantage of it and created a twisted vision of MAGA.  Instead you guys desperately need to offer a competing vision of what MAGA means and how to achieve it.  The more you mock it, the more this shit will continue.  

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10 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:
14 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Please give me an example of the vision then.  What is he going to do to specifically address the ideas I've stated above such as a return to patriotism and nationalism or at least a national sense of civic pride and love of country?

And the issue is that many of your cats are loudly saying they hate America and want nothing to do with it.  THAT will continue to be a problem for Dems.  Until you corral those and get them to tone it down and work FOR the country and not against it, you guys will face an uphill battle on this.

Ahhh, the cry for fascism from our little mastershit.

See @Raz'r, asking for patriotism and a national sense of pride = fascism for your elk kitties.  And you wonder why you guys continue to get your asses handed to you in most national and state elections.  

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3 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

See @Raz'r, asking for patriotism and a national sense of pride = fascism for your elk kitties.  And you wonder why you guys continue to get your asses handed to you in most national and state elections.  

When mixed with Darwinian survival of the fittest, a desire to purge 1/4 of th3 population, rambles about superiority, and racism.

Yes.

I realize you are a stupid entitled ignorant twat who thinks your views can be separated at your desire. That’s not how things work.

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22 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

When mixed with Darwinian survival of the fittest, a desire to purge 1/4 of th3 population, rambles about superiority, and racism.

Yes.

I realize you are a stupid entitled ignorant twat who thinks your views can be separated at your desire. That’s not how things work.

:lol:

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7 hours ago, astro said:

And they let these people breed.

And vote.

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1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

Please give me an example of the vision then.  ...

For somebody who claims to not listen to the RWNJ media, you seem to repeat a lot of their favorite expressions, and apparently you never heard "Build back better" which was badly overplayed this summer

- DSK

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The Reich endlessly disparages the skeptical patriotism of actual war heroes 

such as George McGovern and Howard Zinn . . 

(I'm not a big John Kerry fan, but the Reich gave him that treatment too) 

The Reich demands unthinking knee-jerk obedience; 

they have zero interest in an honest exchange of views.  

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3 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Tell us again how smart, motivated and reasonable you are teatsucker.

Very  :lol:

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3 hours ago, JimBowie said:

Why no American flags at Biden signed homes?  Couple theories:

1. No need, the Biden sign alone means the owner loves America, not Putin's Russia.

2. The owner is not a racist sack of shit, unlike Trump signers.

3. The owner is not afraid of your little queer Proud Boys driving around like children with the flags waving.

4. The owner is laying a trap hoping some little Proud Boys show up some night to vandalize the sign while targeting them with night scope and .308 bolt action.

5. The owner recently suffered a stroke and mistakenly put Biden not Trump up.

6. The owner is suffering from dementia waiting for Biden to get old enough to man-up and run.

 

So a couple of things wrong with that theory...

  1. Flying an American flag on your house does not mean you're a racist sack of shit.  Or do you think it does signify that anyone who flies a US flag is racist?
  2. The typical owner of a Biden sign would not only not know what a .308 or night scope is, much less own one.  But even if they did know, the idea would be all yucky and they would get triggered at the thought of a weapon in their vicinity and wonder why it wasn't already banned.

 

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2 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

The typical owner of a Biden sign would not only not know what a .308 or night scope is, much less own one.  But even if they did know, the idea would be all yucky and they would get triggered at the thought of a weapon in their vicinity and wonder why it wasn't already banned.

 

8 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Very  :lol:

So much so you are incapable of dealing with anything but cliche, the mark of the military man.

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1 minute ago, Cal20sailor said:

Jeff, how small is your dick?

Bigger than your strapon. :lol:

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1 minute ago, Burning Man said:

Bigger than your strapon. :lol:

You're the only one laughing asshole...

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On 10/9/2020 at 6:21 PM, Chris in Santa Cruz, CA said:

because most people can remember what country they live in without the constant reminder

flags on houses are stupid

But tje 76 flag and the 13 flags were kinda fin vack in 76

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Speaking of flags....what is with the weird black and white flag that trump supporters sometimes wave?

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Flags are only justified (more than that, they MUST be flown) when the Country’s national soccer team is playing

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4 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

But tje 76 flag and the 13 flags were kinda fin vack in 76

The bicentennial was an actual event for sure. Remember it well. Good time to display a flag. Means something then. Memorial Day? Sure. Everyday? Meaningless display of wtf.

Hey, if you have a pole and raise the thing properly every morning and take it down and fold it every night then at least you are respecting the actual flag. Putting it up and forgetting it to check a box on your "I want to fit in" list or whatever, is actually disrespectful to the flag. 

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8 hours ago, Burning Man said:

Please give me an example of the vision then.  What is he going to do to specifically address the ideas I've stated above such as a return to patriotism and nationalism or at least a national sense of civic pride and love of country?

And the issue is that many of your cats are loudly saying they hate America and want nothing to do with it.  THAT will continue to be a problem for Dems.  Until you corral those and get them to tone it down and work FOR the country and not against it, you guys will face an uphill battle on this.

Sorry, not my responsibility to let you know what the Dems have been stating for months now. Pay attention.

Now, it will be a bit more substantial than MAGA, but the Dems have never been very good at branding. Well, Kennedy was "Man on the moon" - that was clear.

 

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@Burning Man What is he going to do to specifically address the ideas I've stated above such as a return to patriotism and nationalism or at least a national sense of civic pride and love of country? 

Well Dude, first of all, we are not at your beck and call. We have no obligation to address any of your wacked out ideas. 

But in truth, I would love to be able to be more patriotic - all the oligarchy has to do to get me to salute smartly is to stop torturing and arrest the perps, stop lying us into wars of aggression, stop gummint officials from murdering folks, indict and convict a couple of hundred bankster thieves, do M4A, do a living wage . .    

for openers. 

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3 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

for openers. 

Cantte leave it openned endid licke that, thast a catche thelle nevere opt foire..............                         :)

Sette youre goalles and revise when needid.                                :)

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1 minute ago, Snaggletooth said:

Cantte leave it openned endid licke            :)

Say Whaaaaaat  ??? 

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7 hours ago, Burning Man said:

So a couple of things wrong with that theory...

  1. Flying an American flag on your house does not mean you're a racist sack of shit.  Or do you think it does signify that anyone who flies a US flag is racist?
  2. The typical owner of a Biden sign would not only not know what a .308 or night scope is, much less own one.  But even if they did know, the idea would be all yucky and they would get triggered at the thought of a weapon in their vicinity and wonder why it wasn't already banned.

 

Seems like a good place to put this

 

- DSK

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Eddie Izzard for President. Can't possibly be worse, and he dresses way better than Mr. I Found This Suit in a Rental Car.

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8 hours ago, Burning Man said:

The typical owner of a Biden sign would not only not know what a .308 or night scope is, much less own one.  But even if they did know, the idea would be all yucky and they would get triggered at the thought of a weapon in their vicinity and wonder why it wasn't already banned.

So your typical US flag waver knows all about night scopes ?  

This dumb-ass comment reveals what sort of nationalist you are . . 

i.e., the chauvinist batshit crazy kind. 

They just love those 308 or night scope thingies over a SniperCountry 

Gunz = freedom = flag = nationalism       is a pathology - get help 

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2 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

So your typical US flag waver knows all about night scopes ?  

This dumb-ass comment reveals what sort of nationalist you are . . 

i.e., the chauvinist batshit crazy kind. 

They just love those 308 or night scope thingies over a SniperCountry 

Gunz = freedom = flag = nationalism       is a pathology - get help 

Gwynne Dyer had the best description of mercs like Jeffie.

"Gormless space wasters".

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Recent outing..the wind is barely enough to fill the sails, it’s getting dark and we’re chasing the sunset, drinks in hand, a quiet conversation ensues but in fits and starts. It’s one of those lethargic moments where you are just happy to be on the water and soak it all in. The conversation is about Covid-19 and the oddities of our local response, masks are still a rarity yet hand sanitizer and maintaining distance and minimising contact has become commonplace and done almost without thought.

This led the conversation into musing about if a nationality can be linked to their ‘rona response, which then wandered into opining on what we thought it meant to be Aussie. Then it became about characterising the Kiwis and other near neighbours, with the usual generalisations and bullshit interspersed with some quite astute observations that kept the conversation flowing. Then we got to America, and the conversation died.

After a few minutes, I looked around and realised no-one was offering an opinion, which was odd in itself, normally it’s quite easy to get an opinion from an Aussie on our mates across the pond. But there was silence, till someone piped up and said ‘Fucked if I know, dunno how you describe the Yanks anymore.”

What struck me the most was the silence after this comment. I remember thinking how odd it was nobody even felt like offering even a caustic opinion…It felt kinda like discussing a friend that you know really well that then goes and does something so completely out of character its doesn’t even feel right to hang shit on them about it.

So a question for our US mates to help out a few enquiring minds… how would you describe what it means to be American? I'm curious what image forms in your mind and whether its different from when you were younger? 

Cheers,

SB

 

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4 minutes ago, shaggybaxter said:

So a question for our US mates to help out a few enquiring minds… how would you describe what it means to be American?

I went to a Dandy Warhol's concert the evening Obama  was elected, but we had forgotten and were just having fun.

Suddenly the band stopped, broke out champagne and said "For the first time in years, we are not embarrassed to be Americans.  Cheers everyone, here's to America!"

Well, they had no fucking comprehension of how it was going to be after he left.

 

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8 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:
16 hours ago, Burning Man said:

The typical owner of a Biden sign would not only not know what a .308 or night scope is, much less own one.  But even if they did know, the idea would be all yucky and they would get triggered at the thought of a weapon in their vicinity and wonder why it wasn't already banned.

So your typical US flag waver knows all about night scopes ?  

This dumb-ass comment reveals what sort of nationalist you are . . 

i.e., the chauvinist batshit crazy kind. 

They just love those 308 or night scope thingies over a SniperCountry 

Gunz = freedom = flag = nationalism       is a pathology - get help 

Agree with last sentence but don't try to correct their misunderestimation

Apparently they've forgotten how we kicked their ass last time.

- DSK

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On 10/9/2020 at 9:03 PM, BobJ said:

Realtors run around putting the little flags on every house, with their business cards underneath.  It's a marketing thing.

 

Oh wait - I just posted for the first time in PA.  I'm screwed.  I really do have a sailboat - honest!

And messing with private mailboxes is a fed crime.  Mostly the reason our mailboxes do not get stuffed with adverts that do not come through the USPS.

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21 hours ago, Burning Man said:

I'm well aware of what coyly means without looking it up.  Here, I'll use it in a sentence:

"Olsen's boyfriend slid his dick in O's ass while pretending it happened by accident, all the while coyly smiling"

I'm simply saying that you have no idea why some people fly flags.  Are some political?  Sure.  But I was not aware there is a rule against flying a 'Murican flag in a Blue area.  What motivations do you ascribe to D's flying 'Murican flags in red areas?  Oh wait, never mind.  Dems are embarrassed to own, much less fly American flags.  Hence proving my entire fucking point above.  

As evadent.

 

I am a D..  Flew the flag all summer.  No rules, even the nutters in our neighborhood are being low key....  Only school amendment signs and the like.  We are no longer purple in CO, so not so many signs this go around.  But...  90% in my 5 mi circle are wearing masks, so maybe people are getting smart...  

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Jeff does a good job pretending he isn't a RW nutjob then he goes full retard jacket. I know what a .308 is and a night scope and no I don't own either since I have never found it necessary to shoot anything or anyone at long range at night.

In fact I haven't shot anybody today at all, but it is still early.

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14 hours ago, Raz'r said:

the Dems have never been very good at branding

Intelligent and meaningful ideas can rarely be summed up on a hat, bumper sticker or 4 letter acronym.  GOP branding, Trump branding specifically, is meant to attract followers with as little thought as possible.  Every single Trump or MAGA flag flying in my marina is on a powerboat.  Not one sailboat.  And yet to the OP, several of the sailboats fly American flags under sail.  

(If no one caught my shade being thrown on powerboaters, yes, I believe sailing requires much more thought, intelligence and ability than powerboating, hence all the MAGA flags on the stink pots)

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7 hours ago, shaggybaxter said:

how would you describe what it means to be American?

At this point, it's a very tough question to answer.  I think part of what is happening in America is this reckoning, an entire society trying to come to terms with "being American".  The term "patriot" has been hijacked to mean "nationalistic".  I can tell you I've never been a nationalist,but I have felt very patriotic at various times in my life.  I grew up in very a very culturally diverse area of the country, New Mexico, and am very proud of that upbringing.  Being white in a very brown community never felt to me like anything abnormal.  Celebrating differences was a way of life it seemed...Spanish, Native American, Mexican, Caucasian heritage... always seemed to  co-exist.  Yet even then, some of the more troubling parts of that heritage were glossed over.  It wasn't until my 30's (I'm 45) that I learned what a bad person Oñate was.  Yet there are high schools named after the guy.  But I digress...

Being American is no easy definition, but the Trumpaloos believe it means something very simple...Pro Trump.  And if you aren't with Trump then obviously you hate America.  I certainly do not ascribe to that definition.  

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19 hours ago, Burning Man said:

So a couple of things wrong with that theory...

  1. Flying an American flag on your house does not mean you're a racist sack of shit.  Or do you think it does signify that anyone who flies a US flag is racist?
  2. The typical owner of a Biden sign would not only not know what a .308 or night scope is, much less own one.  But even if they did know, the idea would be all yucky and they would get triggered at the thought of a weapon in their vicinity and wonder why it wasn't already banned.

 

Flew my Biden 2020 flag from my spreaders as I took the boat to get hauled for winter just to piss off the stinkpotters with their Trump flags in the marina.  
i had a Winchester .308 bolt action hunting rifle. As a youth for upstate ny deer hunting but as you know I’m a shotty kinda guy so your myth has been busted 
 

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15 hours ago, Raz'r said:

 the Dems have never been very good at branding.

Are you saying they're all hat, no cattle?

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Are you saying they're all hat, no cattle?

All cattle, no hat.

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Funny.... I have an "American flag" and a Biden lawn sign.... Guess you haven't been down my dark, tree covered rural road lately.... Be careful. Banjos start pluckin' and the toothless neighbors start sneakin' outta the underbrush to butt fuck assholes like you right around sundown. Squeal like a PIG!!! COME ON! You Can do it SQUEAL!!!!!!

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On 10/11/2020 at 2:12 AM, astro said:

And they let these people breed.

They reproduce by division.

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I fly an American flag on the boat when I'm out cruising around. 

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My grand neighbors are even afraid to walk down the road at night because of the Trump signs, and Confederate battle flags.... And they're the children of idiot Trump supporters.

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44 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

I fly an American flag on the boat when I'm out cruising around. 

Is that to make the boat look bigger or to prevent being shot at by the locals?

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50 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

I fly an American flag on the boat when I'm out cruising around. 

I had one one on the radar arch and a YC burgee on the bow pulpit.  I just thought it looked cool.

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5 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

I had one one on the radar arch and a YC burgee on the bow pulpit.  I just thought it looked cool.

Same. Flag on the transom, burgee on the flag halyard 

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

I fly an American flag on the boat when I'm out cruising around. 

Saw a big Biden/Harris flag on big 40’ center console decked out with 3 humongous engines today.  Setting aside the motorboat badness it warmed my heart.

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On 10/11/2020 at 1:16 PM, Cal20sailor said:

You're the only one laughing asshole...

You mean there is more than one laughing asshole around here??

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1 hour ago, roundthebuoys said:

I had a YC burgee on the bow pulpit.  I just thought it looked cool.

??? That's a powerboat thing.

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1 hour ago, roundthebuoys said:

I had one one on the radar arch and a YC burgee on the bow pulpit.  I just thought it looked cool.

Yup, ensign on the pole at transom with a burger on the spreader. 

 

We alternate between an american flag, bear republic (cali state flag), couple signal pennants, and a random flamingo driving a pickup truck flag on the flag pole off the front of the house (which I fashioned from a batten from windward passage). Like to cover all bases. Nothing wrong with being proud to be an american. I have raced for my country. It isn't perfect, but neither am I. 

 

Rtb, how are you man? It's been a very long time! Still in I de hoe? Shoot me a pm and we can commiserate on the idiocracy of our dads...

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59 minutes ago, notallthere said:

Yup, ensign on the pole at transom with a burger on the spreader. 

 

 

I thought that was the Trump house flag.

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3 hours ago, Raz'r said:

I fly an American flag on the boat when I'm out cruising around. 

As do I. But I'm sorta supposed to.

But I'd do it anyway, I did when cruising around domestically.

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Oh, so now this thread has totally devolved into . . 

nautical flag courtesy ? 

You may well disagree, but as for me, I am not gonna show the slightest respect for the US flag . . 

on my spiffy sailboat, or anywhere else . .. . 

as long as doing so implies in any way support for the Torture State. 

Signed,  Moi and Thousands of Vets For Peace

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35 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

I thought that was the Trump house flag.

Fucking auto correct...

Double double > big mac

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It is better to love the ideals behind the flag than to love the flag itself.

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4 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Same. Flag on the transom, burgee on the flag halyard 

i fly flags out of my ears 

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5 hours ago, astro said:

Is that to make the boat look bigger or to prevent being shot at by the locals?

it's so he looks legit.

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It's a sad commentary how far down the road of fascism this country has gone that you're now unpatriotic if you don't fly the flag.

Very Goebbels.  Very holocaust badge.

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On 10/11/2020 at 8:54 AM, Olsonist said:

How much do you make as a mindreader?

Seriously, you just admitted that people (the aforementioned dickhead Republicans) do this and yet you're complaining about people noticing it. 

Because there is a huge difference between saying SOME people do it and you then accusing ALL republicans of flying a US Flag only for political purposes.  

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On 10/11/2020 at 8:54 AM, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:
On 10/11/2020 at 8:50 AM, Burning Man said:

Please give me an example of the vision then.  What is he going to do to specifically address the ideas I've stated above such as a return to patriotism and nationalism or at least a national sense of civic pride and love of country?

And the issue is that many of your cats are loudly saying they hate America and want nothing to do with it.  THAT will continue to be a problem for Dems.  Until you corral those and get them to tone it down and work FOR the country and not against it, you guys will face an uphill battle on this.

Ahhh, the cry for fascism from our little mastershit.

So national civic pride and love of country = fascism????  Seriously?  See boyz, this ^^ is what I'm talking about.  One of your cats, @Mismoyled Jiblet., like many of the cats you're herding hates 'Murica and he is your vocal face right now.  

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On 10/11/2020 at 2:04 PM, Chris in Santa Cruz, CA said:

The bicentennial was an actual event for sure. Remember it well. Good time to display a flag. Means something then. Memorial Day? Sure. Everyday? Meaningless display of wtf.

Hey, if you have a pole and raise the thing properly every morning and take it down and fold it every night then at least you are respecting the actual flag. Putting it up and forgetting it to check a box on your "I want to fit in" list or whatever, is actually disrespectful to the flag. 

I agree with this.

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On 10/12/2020 at 12:55 AM, shaggybaxter said:

So a question for our US mates to help out a few enquiring minds… how would you describe what it means to be American? I'm curious what image forms in your mind and whether its different from when you were younger? 

Cheers,

SB

That's a fair question and I'll have to ponder on it for a while as it's obviously complicated now.  Well more so than it ever has before and it was always complicated.  The fact that it's always been complicated, IMHO, is a large part of what made 'Murica special and unique in the world.   

But while I'm working on that answer, what does it mean to be Australian?  I'm assuming you have a pretty  easy answer to that, right? I'm honestly not being sarcastic, just that your post implied that you all must be pretty clear on what your own ideals are.  TIA.  

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On 10/12/2020 at 6:58 AM, d'ranger said:

Jeff does a good job pretending he isn't a RW nutjob then he goes full retard jacket. I know what a .308 is and a night scope and no I don't own either since I have never found it necessary to shoot anything or anyone at long range at night.

In fact I haven't shot anybody today at all, but it is still early.

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Jesus.  Lighten up, Francine.  

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