Matagi 1,010 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Looks good to me. Logical next step after the 36. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terrorvision 143 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 As a graphically-driven person, I would suggest that having the lower half of the 'g' in Pogo falling off the chine may have been a mistake. It now looks like it has 'pooo' down the side.... Apart from that, yes please, I will have one. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teener 199 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Makes me want one all the more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Upp3 228 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Teener said: Makes me want one all the more. The pooo on the side? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teener 199 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 As long as it's on the side of a Pogo 44. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matagi 1,010 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Terrorvision said: As a graphically-driven person, I would suggest that having the lower half of the 'g' in Pogo falling off the chine may have been a mistake. It now looks like it has 'pooo' down the side.... Apart from that, yes please, I will have one. Let me provide you with a quick self-assessment to test if you're seeing ghosts. What do you see? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teener 199 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 I might get on board with the Junior Jazz Dance Aasses too but I'm afraid that they are under age so I'll just have to watch from the bleachers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
apophenia 252 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Definitely not catering to the Asian market with this one. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roleur 328 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 To cruise, not to race, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
apophenia 252 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 The word for the number 4 sounds like the word for death in many Asian languages and is avoided half-seriously sort of like the number 13 is avoided in the West. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JL92S 319 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 9 hours ago, Roleur said: To cruise, not to race, right? I’m sure there are those who will try and race it but I’m not sure it will work for them! There was one boat that did the Route de Rhum a few years back that was a Pogo 12.50 but managed to obtain a class 40 measurement certificate and was a hybrid of the 12.50 cruiser and the S3 class 40. I’d love a 44 that’s been turbo’d up a little but can still be cruised Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikkom 12 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 11 hours ago, apophenia said: The word for the number 4 sounds like the word for death in many Asian languages and is avoided half-seriously sort of like the number 13 is avoided in the West. Just rename it 88/2 or 8+8/2 (if metric reference is better).. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid 415 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 3:53 AM, Matagi said: Weird spreader spacing. Is that the new thing these days? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,141 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Liquid said: Weird spreader spacing. Is that the new thing these days? Not really new - Pogo's carbon rigs are always high tensioned and err on the side of being conservative and safe. No backstays needed to keep the rig up, wide beam - might as well take advantage of the inherent design. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matagi 1,010 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, Liquid said: Weird spreader spacing. Is that the new thing these days? I thought so as well. I suspect you can get overlapping headsails, esp. C0 more closely? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid 415 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Miffy said: Not really new - Pogo's carbon rigs are always high tensioned and err on the side of being conservative and safe. No backstays needed to keep the rig up, wide beam - might as well take advantage of the inherent design. It's the vertical spacing that looks strange to me, like it's missing a 3rd set... Maybe it's that the bottom spreader is closer to the deck than the top spreader is to the top of the mast...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoramix 1,541 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Liquid said: Weird spreader spacing. Is that the new thing these days? I suspect that the first spreader is low because it is deck stepped... Also it looks like there are 2 D3s with one stabilising the upper panel in the middle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,141 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Liquid said: It's the vertical spacing that looks strange to me, like it's missing a 3rd set... Maybe it's that the bottom spreader is closer to the deck than the top spreader is to the top of the mast...? Maybe? The spreader spacing look more conventional if you take in a reef and 2nd spreader is just above where the 3rd reef would be, and not knowing what her design brief are, I wouldn't be surprised if they speced that rig to have enough sail area to get moving under 8-10 knots of breeze but the plan is to sail with a reef virtually all the time you would be in the trades. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roleur 328 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Miffy said: Maybe? The spreader spacing look more conventional if you take in a reef and 2nd spreader is just above where the 3rd reef would be, and not knowing what her design brief are, I wouldn't be surprised if they speced that rig to have enough sail area to get moving under 8-10 knots of breeze but the plan is to sail with a reef virtually all the time you would be in the trades. That would be a change from recent Pogo designs. The 40 and 30 certainly don't carry reef early sail plans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gspot 233 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Liquid said: Weird spreader spacing. Is that the new thing these days? It's clearly designed around simplified hanging of the yacht club burgee! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Irrational 14 257 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Liquid said: Weird spreader spacing. Is that the new thing these days? It looks like they are experimenting with some tip flex/auto de-powering with that config. Any windy pics with the boat going upwind straight on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,141 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 32 minutes ago, Roleur said: That would be a change from recent Pogo designs. The 40 and 30 certainly don't carry reef early sail plans. Maybe? The 36 and 30 with the new evo rig is a lot more canvas than when it was first launched. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don 35 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 The Pogo 44's rig is designed to run a inner furling staysail (about 20 square meters in area) using a removable torsion stay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ctutmark 259 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Irrational 14 said: It looks like they are experimenting with some tip flex/auto de-powering with that config. Any windy pics with the boat going upwind straight on? Class 40s run similar rig configurations, there are two things at play, the chainplate width (beam of the boat) and the cap shroud angle to the mast. In the case of the 44 the upper spreader is probably a slight bit shorter than the chainplate width but not hugely different. In some of the pics you can see the upper intermediate shroud which offsets the inner forestay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JL92S 319 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Like @ctutmark said it’s become a trend that started in class 40s and has been done by Pogo in their boats for the 30. Beneteau and Jeanneau now also do it with the performance rig version of the OC41.1 and with other models. The big reason is lowering cog of the boat and reducing windage up the rig. The MD of Z Spars in France told me that by adopting this spreader arrangement on a Jeanneau SO410 they can take 80kg out the keel and therefore lighten the structure by a couple of percent and the list goes on, when you build 400+ boats that represents a large cost saving 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Jack 469 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Fashions fads come and go... this new pogo seems to want their transom to have more wide open access. I can see the advantages of doing more Mediterranean moorings with the sporty configuration. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,141 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Haha... has Pogo ever made a closed transom? Even the 8.5 & 10.50s were open access Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matagi 1,010 Posted October 29, 2020 Author Share Posted October 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Black Jack said: Fashions fads come and go... this new pogo seems to want their transom to have more wide open access. I can see the advantages of doing more Mediterranean moorings with the sporty configuration. Sorry... You were saying...?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yoyo 208 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Not knocking the boat. I realize the graphics are part of the advertising ploy. But I would rather see a clean understated paint scheme. The boat looks nice from most angles - however I find the side view to be chunky and unflattering (but adds volume below). Handrails on the seat backs are an interesting choice. I'd like to see some photos of how they configured the cabin top and sail handling business end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,141 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 From Finot Conq Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snowden 398 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I prefer the way they did the swim platform / traveler area on the 50 - any ideas why they didn't keep the sheerline flat all the way aft? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Dumas 335 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 So you can step to a dock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ultraman 46 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 On 10/30/2020 at 6:26 AM, yoyo said: Not knocking the boat. I realize the graphics are part of the advertising ploy. But I would rather see a clean understated paint scheme. The boat looks nice from most angles - however I find the side view to be chunky and unflattering (but adds volume below). Handrails on the seat backs are an interesting choice. I'd like to see some photos of how they configured the cabin top and sail handling business end. That f@cking sock! I know that's basically the only way to get that big bastard down by yourselves/two-up in a blow, but still... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longy 653 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I fully realize the advantages of the swept spreaders in removing the backstay (s). But at some points, you need to go deep downwind. Like the Hunter B&R rigs, the only way to keep the main in one piece is to drop it altogether when running. I'd prefer about 1/2 the sweep angle & runners. Easy enuff to design so that runners are not critical to rig staying up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snowden 398 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 10/31/2020 at 7:54 PM, longy said: swept spreaders ... but at some points, you need to go deep downwind I wonder if that's another advantage of having the top spreader so low - you can set the main up with a load of twist and the top will open up forward of the spreader tip? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snowden 398 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 10/31/2020 at 1:39 AM, Kenny Dumas said: So you can step to a dock good point.. but it sure is fugly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,141 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 10/31/2020 at 2:54 PM, longy said: I fully realize the advantages of the swept spreaders in removing the backstay (s). But at some points, you need to go deep downwind. Like the Hunter B&R rigs, the only way to keep the main in one piece is to drop it altogether when running. I'd prefer about 1/2 the sweep angle & runners. Easy enuff to design so that runners are not critical to rig staying up. I’ve never heard of any downwind limitations on the pogo axxon rigs - they’re nothing like hunters and the rig tension is like multiple times higher than conventional rigs 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plugger 16 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Miffy said: I’ve never heard of any downwind limitations on the pogo axxon rigs - they’re nothing like hunters and the rig tension is like multiple times higher than conventional rigs Apparent wind sailing too...completely different type of sailing... even when I was solo watch on my 40 with 25-30 up the bum down the Portuguese coast, was still gybing usual angles with just solent and main...why plod DDW, when a little hotter is on the step and smoking...only PITA is reefing while deep- but I just over sheet the heady, poke it up a bit and let the main sit back winded while sorting it...Not that hard in what I’ve sailed in so far! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plugger 16 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 The 44 looks nice. Lazy- but any interior info/pics? Guessing similar to the 12.5 etc? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JL92S 319 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 10/31/2020 at 7:54 PM, longy said: I fully realize the advantages of the swept spreaders in removing the backstay (s). But at some points, you need to go deep downwind. Like the Hunter B&R rigs, the only way to keep the main in one piece is to drop it altogether when running. I'd prefer about 1/2 the sweep angle & runners. Easy enuff to design so that runners are not critical to rig staying up. 22.5° is the minimum angle you need on a spreader to do away with the backstay or runners entirely. Like others have said you’ll sail this boat on higher angles downwind and use the vast stability the hull has to offer. Also like all class 40s the new Pogo also does without a vang so you’re fully reliant on the sheet and traveller to control twist. It’s almost impossible to keep a mainsail off the spreaders these days but as long as you have patches on the sail for them I don’t see it being a problem. We have a 3di Endurance mainsail that has done nearly 5000 miles and that sits on the spreaders all the time and is perfectly fine. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yoyo 208 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 9 hours ago, plugger said: .why plod DDW, when a little hotter is on the step and smoking Deep and flat will be more comfortable ride for the cruiser/passengers the boat is supposed to be targeted for. Sure -- sail on the step for speed, better VMG and fun but trying to do anything "cruisie" down below heeled over will not be enjoyable. I can hear the yelling ...... "honey for the 10th time please crack off and flatten the boat I'm trying to cook" I hope there are plenty of hand holds in the cabin ceiling.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,141 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 3 hours ago, yoyo said: Deep and flat will be more comfortable ride for the cruiser/passengers the boat is supposed to be targeted for. Sure -- sail on the step for speed, better VMG and fun but trying to do anything "cruisie" down below heeled over will not be enjoyable. I can hear the yelling ...... "honey for the 10th time please crack off and flatten the boat I'm trying to cook" I hope there are plenty of hand holds in the cabin ceiling.. I've sailed on Pogo 12.50 and Pogo 30s & the 10.50; they really sit rather nicely in a steady heel & let the hull & deep keel do its thing and keep the boat steady. If I were cooking I wouldn't want to be DDW. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Dumas 335 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I expect the dynamic stability of a keel to increase with hydrodynamic load but have never seen a model or measurement. We know that flow increases dynamic stability, but how much does angle of attack, and why? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yoyo 208 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Miffy said: If I were cooking I wouldn't want to be DDW. That's why I said deep and flat. Not necessarily DDW - just not arced up on the step. A reduction in heel does wonders for passenger comfort especially down below when cooking, eating or anything else. Arc it up after the meal if you must -- its a cruiser disguised as a race boat. I know if I wasn't racing I'd flatten things out at least for the meals. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JL92S 319 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 It’s still a cruising boat, just a Frenchman’s interpretation of cruising! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plugger 16 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/3/2020 at 3:06 AM, Miffy said: I've sailed on Pogo 12.50 and Pogo 30s & the 10.50; they really sit rather nicely in a steady heel & let the hull & deep keel do its thing and keep the boat steady. If I were cooking I wouldn't want to be DDW. Just confirmed- the misso says it’s fine as the motion and heel is generally quite easy to deal with. DDW or similar is worse... and up breeze in high wind. 27-33 gusting into the low 40’s at 65 TWA sucks balls... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plugger 16 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 On 11/3/2020 at 5:24 AM, yoyo said: That's why I said deep and flat. Not necessarily DDW - just not arced up on the step. A reduction in heel does wonders for passenger comfort especially down below when cooking, eating or anything else. Arc it up after the meal if you must -- its a cruiser disguised as a race boat. I know if I wasn't racing I'd flatten things out at least for the meals. Agreed mate. We’ve found her pretty steady so far- I can’t help but push it...to chew the miles! But cannot avoid the yells every now and then...it happens haha “keep it fucking flat- I’m trying to cook” Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaggybaxter 2,110 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 hour ago, plugger said: Just confirmed- the misso says it’s fine as the motion and heel is generally quite easy to deal with. DDW or similar is worse... and up breeze in high wind. 27-33 gusting into the low 40’s at 65 TWA sucks balls... Yeah, but 27-33 gusting into the low 40's at 150-160 TWA is fingertip control and just fucking awesome . Even with just white sails.... 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,141 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 hours ago, shaggybaxter said: Yeah, but 27-33 gusting into the low 40's at 150-160 TWA is fingertip control and just fucking awesome . Even with just white sails.... Honestly Pogo's ppl are always very honest about the boats they're trying to build - easy, safe with lots of margin for fast cruising. But seems like there's still a lot of ppl buying/considering them thinking they're going to chew it up in IRC or something. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jono 80 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Single mainsheet. Is it sheeting to the cabin top? Shaggy - what does yours do? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaggybaxter 2,110 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 hours ago, Miffy said: Honestly Pogo's ppl are always very honest about the boats they're trying to build - easy, safe with lots of margin for fast cruising. But seems like there's still a lot of ppl buying/considering them thinking they're going to chew it up in IRC or something. Yep, I was looking at a Ker 40 as one of the options when I was shopping, if I wanted to win IRC pickle dishes I would've gone for the Ker. My tick box list was short handed capable, race as well as cruise, shallow water capable, fast, tough, safe and fun to sail. Structures and JPK nailed that to a tee and why I went for the pogo. JPK were a close second. 1 hour ago, Jono said: Single mainsheet. Is it sheeting to the cabin top? Shaggy - what does yours do? HIya Jono, Mainsheet is a single line tethered to the traveller car with a 3:1 in the boom, sheeted to the port cabin top winch. The traveller is just in front of the helm positions and takes up the full length of the cockpit floor, about 3.5mtrs. Its easy to sheet in second gear even in heavy airs, the trade off is its a lot of line when you've got the mainsheet fully eased and you want to throw in a fast gybe. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plugger 16 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 11 hours ago, shaggybaxter said: Yep, I was looking at a Ker 40 as one of the options when I was shopping, if I wanted to win IRC pickle dishes I would've gone for the Ker. My tick box list was short handed capable, race as well as cruise, shallow water capable, fast, tough, safe and fun to sail. Structures and JPK nailed that to a tee and why I went for the pogo. JPK were a close second. HIya Jono, Mainsheet is a single line tethered to the traveller car with a 3:1 in the boom, sheeted to the port cabin top winch. The traveller is just in front of the helm positions and takes up the full length of the cockpit floor, about 3.5mtrs. Its easy to sheet in second gear even in heavy airs, the trade off is its a lot of line when you've got the mainsheet fully eased and you want to throw in a fast gybe. My tick box list was short handed capable, race as well as cruise, shallow water capable, fast, tough, safe and fun to sail. Second that Amen! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,612 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 3:06 PM, shaggybaxter said: Yep, I was looking at a Ker 40 as one of the options when I was shopping, if I wanted to win IRC pickle dishes I would've gone for the Ker. My tick box list was short handed capable, race as well as cruise, shallow water capable, fast, tough, safe and fun to sail. Structures and JPK nailed that to a tee and why I went for the pogo. JPK were a close second. HIya Jono, Mainsheet is a single line tethered to the traveller car with a 3:1 in the boom, sheeted to the port cabin top winch. The traveller is just in front of the helm positions and takes up the full length of the cockpit floor, about 3.5mtrs. Its easy to sheet in second gear even in heavy airs, the trade off is its a lot of line when you've got the mainsheet fully eased and you want to throw in a fast gybe. what is your main sq ft? Sailmaker? Winches for the main sheet? If you’ve already posted those, somewhere? The traveller car control blocks are deliciously trick... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaggybaxter 2,110 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Amati said: what is your main sq ft? Sailmaker? Winches for the main sheet? If you’ve already posted those, somewhere? The traveller car control blocks are deliciously trick... Thanks Amati, Mainsail is 50m2, so that's about what ..500ft2? Sail wardrobe is from Incidence, but my local sailmaker savant is Hood Sails. Winches are Harken 46ST with the top starboard winch as two speed electric (main halyard). It's a lot of work hoisting the main manually when your solo, so I girled out and upgraded that one to electric. Best thing I ever did, it's a cinch to hoist the main even solo in a breeze. The mainsheet lives on the top port winch, 5 wraps, jammer open and in the self tailor. It's a handy spot, you can stand in the cabinway and grind, or pop up from below and ease when big gusts come through without getting all suited up. Cheers! SB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trovão 551 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 21 hours ago, shaggybaxter said: Thanks Amati, Mainsail is 50m2, so that's about what ..500 538 ft2? Sail wardrobe is from Incidence, but my local sailmaker savant is Hood Sails. Winches are Harken 46ST with the top starboard winch as two speed electric (main halyard). It's a lot of work hoisting the main manually when your solo, so I girled out and upgraded that one to electric. Best thing I ever did, it's a cinch to hoist the main even solo in a breeze. The mainsheet lives on the top port winch, 5 wraps, jammer open and in the self tailor. It's a handy spot, you can stand in the cabinway and grind, or pop up from below and ease when big gusts come through without getting all suited up. Cheers! SB FIFY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
us7070 296 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 interior pics on FB https://www.facebook.com/Pogo-Chantier-Naval-Structures-263630182346/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackolantern 495 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, us7070 said: interior pics on FB https://www.facebook.com/Pogo-Chantier-Naval-Structures-263630182346/ You sound like you're itching a bit there, 7070 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaggybaxter 2,110 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 31 minutes ago, jackolantern said: You sound like you're itching a bit there, 7070 It's making me all itchy. I might go sailing for the afternoon. Work can wait half a day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plugger 16 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, shaggybaxter said: It's making me all itchy. I might go sailing for the afternoon. Work can wait half a day. stooooop it...Bingo is sitting all lonely on the hard in Athens. Still...i hope. Fingers crossed- boat manager has been MIA for weeks. Lucky ive had a mate who lives there check her not long ago...Waiting for the morning I wake up and the world is back sane again...and we can all enjoy the freedoms in our life again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaggybaxter 2,110 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 33 minutes ago, plugger said: stooooop it...Bingo is sitting all lonely on the hard in Athens. Still...i hope. Fingers crossed- boat manager has been MIA for weeks. Lucky ive had a mate who lives there check her not long ago...Waiting for the morning I wake up and the world is back sane again...and we can all enjoy the freedoms in our life again! Man, that must suck Plugger, sorry to hear it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,141 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Thanks for sharing the link to the pics - got to say a little underwhelmed re the layout. Totally understand Finot Conq and Roseo Design carrying the DNA of the very successful Pogo36 forward... but for a boat this big, that aft starboard head seems a bit awkward and the lack of forward visibility is a little disappointing. Kind of similar to what RM's interior layout can be but somehow more claustrophobic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plugger 16 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 11/20/2020 at 7:59 AM, shaggybaxter said: Man, that must suck Plugger, sorry to hear it. Thanks mate. Could be worse though Shaggy... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoramix 1,541 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 11/5/2020 at 12:06 AM, shaggybaxter said: Yep, I was looking at a Ker 40 as one of the options when I was shopping, if I wanted to win IRC pickle dishes I would've gone for the Ker. My tick box list was short handed capable, race as well as cruise, shallow water capable, fast, tough, safe and fun to sail. Structures and JPK nailed that to a tee and why I went for the pogo. JPK were a close second. JPKs can win IRC pickle dishes... to the point that there are nearly indispensable to win one in their class! When IMS was more used Pogo could win but a Pogo is against all the ideas the RORC (and YCF) have of a racing boat so don't stand a chance in IRC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don 35 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Have ordered one. Hull 31 About 3 years waiting list 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaggybaxter 2,110 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Don said: Have ordered one. Hull 31 About 3 years waiting list Wahoo! Congratulations Don! Can I come down and beg/welch/bribe a sail when you get her? Cheers! SB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don 35 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 17 hours ago, shaggybaxter said: Wahoo! Congratulations Don! Can I come down and beg/welch/bribe a sail when you get her? Cheers! SB Absolutely. Has Fusion sold yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaggybaxter 2,110 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 G'day mate, Under contract, survey on Friday, so I am madly trying to squeeze in a shit ton of punters wanting a last hurrah sail Am heading out again on Wednesday arvo finishing with a full moon twilight sail, there is still a few seats if anyone is keen! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,612 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 9:58 AM, Matagi said: Let me provide you with a quick self-assessment to test if you're seeing ghosts. What do you see? Edit- please ignore the bug..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fishingbobber 2 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 This is the way I look at it .. and ive thought about this before I saw their spreader spacing ... a keel stepped mast can be way thinner... why bc its being grasped and there are secondary stresses .. like a canterleavered one peice beam that runs continuious over three posts ,instead of the same overall span but the beam breaks in the middle ,,,, the beam can be way smaller... the low spreader and guys are like the deck and the bottom is like the mast on keel... also there is less penalty in windage and weight than up high, with the first set lower ,,.. I have wondered if you had just guys attached to a deck stepped mast at 6 feet.. all around,, comming in at a low angle,, could that be the similar to a keel stepped mast Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ALL@SEA 333 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 7 hours ago, fishingbobber said: This is the way I look at it .. and ive thought about this before I saw their spreader spacing ... a keel stepped mast can be way thinner... why bc its being grasped and there are secondary stresses .. like a canterleavered one peice beam that runs continuious over three posts ,instead of the same overall span but the beam breaks in the middle ,,,, the beam can be way smaller... the low spreader and guys are like the deck and the bottom is like the mast on keel... also there is less penalty in windage and weight than up high, with the first set lower ,,.. I have wondered if you had just guys attached to a deck stepped mast at 6 feet.. all around,, comming in at a low angle,, could that be the similar to a keel stepped mast That reads like a 2am text form a mate out on the piss. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pantouf 24 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Pogos are great boats to sail. I sailed a 40 on various occasions. I have considered one, but I think I am heading to the world of multihulls. Similar sort of speed potential, but just more comfy to be on. But this new 44 looks awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Al about boats 0 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 11/30/2020 at 12:57 AM, Don said: Have ordered one. Hull 31 About 3 years waiting list Woop woop! I must have got in just before you. Hull 26. Test sail booked for Sept.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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