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15 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Canada has the 38th largest population but is 26th on the covid hit parade. The are batting above their weight in terms of infections but this probably is due to sharing a boarder with the heavy weight champion of the world in covid fuckupery. Stay safe, aye.

I appreciate that you want to pass as someone from the Great White North (although green/brown in Southern Ontario), so I will help you out with the spelling, 'Stay safe, eh!' Later we can talk about how to say 'eh'. Depending on how you say it, it has quite different meanings, eh.

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Canada has a population about 11.5% of the US so the per capita rate in the US is more than 3X Canada. I'd say Canada's doing pretty well considering that they've got a giant festering pool of infecti

I think one contributing factor to Canada's success is the CBC.   Our national broadcaster (radio, TV and Internet) reaches (pretty much) every corner of the country.  While the news is certainly

JHC you are a fokin idiot , do nothing was what tRump did , how many died .   oxygen is wasted on you .

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Well, that's it. Day 14 of quarrantine. No one checked in on us. We did have to check in on the app everyday. We've seen everything on Netflix. 

Kinda disappointed in my Canadian friends who have a home in Palm Springs. They left on the first for three months as is their normal custom. I asked if they were going to quarantine for 10 days as is required if you come in to California from abroad. They said no, we don't have COVID. Uh okay. Straight to Costco and then to his tee time. 

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2 hours ago, no shoes said:

Well, that's it. Day 14 of quarrantine. No one checked in on us. We did have to check in on the app everyday. We've seen everything on Netflix. 

Kinda disappointed in my Canadian friends who have a home in Palm Springs. They left on the first for three months as is their normal custom. I asked if they were going to quarantine for 10 days as is required if you come in to California from abroad. They said no, we don't have COVID. Uh okay. Straight to Costco and then to his tee time. 

Thanks for doing the right thing.

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3 hours ago, no shoes said:

Well, that's it. Day 14 of quarrantine. No one checked in on us. We did have to check in on the app everyday. We've seen everything on Netflix. 

Kinda disappointed in my Canadian friends who have a home in Palm Springs. They left on the first for three months as is their normal custom. I asked if they were going to quarantine for 10 days as is required if you come in to California from abroad. They said no, we don't have COVID. Uh okay. Straight to Costco and then to his tee time. 

Do you think the Palm Springs health department would appreciate a heads-up?

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On 12/31/2020 at 10:01 AM, Bristol-Cruiser said:

I appreciate that you want to pass as someone from the Great White North (although green/brown in Southern Ontario), so I will help you out with the spelling, 'Stay safe, eh!' Later we can talk about how to say 'eh'. Depending on how you say it, it has quite different meanings, eh.

On our last cruise into BC, a very nice Canadian Couple at the bar at the Brentwood Bay Resort  instructed us in the spelling of Canada-  “C eh N eh D eh”.  They also pointed out that depending on the way you pronounced it, it had quite different meanings.  And after we played around with that :lol: for a while, the conversation turned to the different ways ‘Mother Fucker’ is pronounced across N America.  Even the Bartenders got in on that one....  Now I’m wondering how ‘vacation’ is spelled in Canada. :)  

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4 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

This is my favorite chart about Canada.

CNN was happy to say 'Canada won!'
And lots of studies about how masks worked so well.

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Canada has a population about 11.5% of the US so the per capita rate in the US is more than 3X Canada. I'd say Canada's doing pretty well considering that they've got a giant festering pool of infection along their entire 3000 mile southern border. 

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13 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

This is my favorite chart about Canada.

CNN was happy to say 'Canada won!'
And lots of studies about how masks worked so well.

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Thanks for presenting excellent evidence that the situation would have been much worse if we didn't wear masks.  This is just as reasonable a conclusion from this data as your assertion.  

The truth of this graph is that Canada moved indoors about the middle of October, and transmission between family members and visitors to homes skyrocketed.  Almost no-one wore masks inside their homes even if they wore them outside.  The virus didn't care, it just infected them too.

Canada still has 1/3 the death rate per capita of the USA, so there's that.  

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Want to know when you might get the jab in Canada. No idea how accurate to this. According to this I am in Stage 1 and should get two shots (if needed between late January and mid May. There are between 0 and 5.6 million people ahead of me.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/01/09/when-will-you-be-vaccinated-this-calculator-can-help-you-to-figure-that-out.html

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51 minutes ago, Maxx Baqustae said:

Our backyard but these people are wankers in the first place: 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7597926/great-canadian-gaming-ceo-wife-yukon-vaccine-ticket/

Well, at least said wanker "resigned" from his position.  And I doubt any production company will hire his "actress" wife for a role no matter how much he offers to pay them - unless it's something along the likes of "Backdoor Soviet Sluts II".

As for punishment, being perpetually ass raped by Satan when they get to their final destination sounds about right.

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44 minutes ago, 12 metre said:

Well, at least said wanker "resigned" from his position.  And I doubt any production company will hire his "actress" wife for a role no matter how much he offers to pay them - unless it's something along the likes of "Backdoor Soviet Sluts II".

As for punishment, being perpetually ass raped by Satan when they get to their final destination sounds about right.

isn't there a massive fine for this kind of thing?

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10 minutes ago, basketcase said:

isn't there a massive fine for this kind of thing?

Depends on how you define "massive"

The article says: "They each received two $575 fines for failing to self isolate and failing to behave in a manner consistent with their declaration, according to the tickets filed in the court registry"

I will let you decide whether $2,000 is massive.  But in my books $2,000 is not massive.  That's barely a slap on the wrist - especially for someone with their financial means.

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8 minutes ago, basketcase said:

isn't there a massive fine for this kind of thing?

Not yet.  No-one ever thought that a Canadian could be this much of an asshole. Sure, there are Canadian assholes, but they are not normally on the GOAT asshole level.

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1 hour ago, 12 metre said:

Depends on how you define "massive"

The article says: "They each received two $575 fines for failing to self isolate and failing to behave in a manner consistent with their declaration, according to the tickets filed in the court registry"

I will let you decide whether $2,000 is massive.  But in my books $2,000 is not massive.  That's barely a slap on the wrist - especially for someone with their financial means.

true that.

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On 1/28/2021 at 5:03 PM, basketcase said:

true that.

If you read/watch the vid feed that these people are millionaires. A 2 million condo in the high rent district of Vancouver's west end. He had a tax receipt of 5 million for 2019. And working/owning the: Great Canadian Gaming (Casinos) is a little iffy at best. Our news has been full of it for years for money laundering etc. Only now all of this being investigated by the RCMP. Not nice people in the first place. They were probably involved with private parties in the towers like that.

 https://bc.ctvnews.ca/vancouver-police-shut-down-private-party-with-100-attendees-on-new-year-s-eve-1.5250977

And from August! 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7256362/private-parties-vancouver-coronavirus/

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On 1/7/2021 at 5:39 PM, no shoes said:

Well, that's it. Day 14 of quarrantine. No one checked in on us. We did have to check in on the app everyday. We've seen everything on Netflix. 

Interesting no one called. I had a daily reminder message to check in on the app and a phone call about mid-way from a real person asking the usual questions and reiterating how important quarantine is. 

I have an external hard drive loaded with about 400 movies... Was fine. Phone calls also filled the time.

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4 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

Canada is now in the top 1/3 of countries with the worst Coronavirus outcomes (deaths per 1M population).

And yet based on current numbers from Johns Hopkins, Canada's stats are better than nearly 3/4 of the G20 member countries...  Funny how one can twist the numbers to portray whatever agenda one wishes, eh BE?

No matter, carry on...

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52 minutes ago, CriticalPath said:

And yet based on current numbers from Johns Hopkins, Canada's stats are better than nearly 3/4 of the G20 member countries...  Funny how one can twist the numbers to portray whatever agenda one wishes, eh BE?

No matter, carry on...

i like to compare where i am to where i want to be........

new mexico has 1/3 the population of the greater toronto area, in 1/3 the area of ontario and as of yesterday new mexico has 46 946 active cases compared to 31 357 for all of canada. canada would rank as the 30th state, just ahead of maine. as far as total deaths go, canada would rank as the 8th worst state just behind illinois.

we can do better.

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13 hours ago, Ncik said:

Comparing any regions at a particular time is irrelevant, the only meaningful comparisons are over a period of time.

how long of a period of time? the six months ive been here? half of the pandemic? the numbers where i am living have been dogshit for a very long time.

 

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8 hours ago, basketcase said:

how long of a period of time? the six months ive been here? half of the pandemic? the numbers where i am living have been dogshit for a very long time.

 

Whatever is meaningful. From start of outbreak (100th case) seems to be a common one. Particular waves, seasons, since a certain action (lockdown, masks, closed borders), etc are also useful, but don't necessarily paint the full picture.

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1 hour ago, Ncik said:

Whatever is meaningful. From start of outbreak (100th case) seems to be a common one. Particular waves, seasons, since a certain action (lockdown, masks, closed borders), etc are also useful, but don't necessarily paint the full picture.

you know what, i think you missed the whole point of my post. what i am saying is that this shitty little state of 2 million people, a year in, still cant social distance or wear a fucking mask on their stupid fucking faces well enough to get the number of active cases lower than my home country of almost 38 million people. and its been that way for a very long time. thank you.

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On 2/23/2021 at 2:59 AM, basketcase said:

...as of yesterday new mexico has 46 946 active cases compared to 31 357 for all of canada

it's a meaningless comparison...what was it like a week/month/quarter ago? The stats could've been flipped or atleast on par as a percentage of population.

Maybe my googlefu is failing me, but that new mexico active cases stat is phenomenal. Do you have a source?

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1 hour ago, basketcase said:

shitty little state of 2 million people, a year in, still cant social distance or wear a fucking mask on their stupid fucking faces well enough

this observation is not what I have a problem with, it is just the comparison seems meaningless to me.

See below, the sources are different, and up for debate, but Canada appears to have been hit harder and is on a downward slope, but the 7-day average is much larger.

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57 minutes ago, Ncik said:

it's a meaningless comparison...what was it like a week/month/quarter ago? The stats could've been flipped or atleast on par as a percentage of population.

Maybe my googlefu is failing me, but that new mexico active cases stat is phenomenal. Do you have a source?

nah, you are right, my watching the numbers on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries for both here in new mexico and in canada over the last six months are meaningless.

last week, new mexico hit a point where it had over twice the number of active cases as all of canada. its a bit better now.

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and you know what... it matters a fuck load for me. it is a daily comparison of where i am, to where i want to be. and where i want to be is doing so much better than where i am.

 

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16 hours ago, basketcase said:

and you know what... it matters a fuck load for me. it is a daily comparison of where i am, to where i want to be. and where i want to be is doing so much better than where i am.

 

The border isn't closed - if you can, come on back up here.  Bring a warm coat, and see if you can get the vaccine before you come though, Canada is looking like not much in the way of vaccinations will happen until June/July.  

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20 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

The border isn't closed - if you can, come on back up here.  Bring a warm coat, and see if you can get the vaccine before you come though, Canada is looking like not much in the way of vaccinations will happen until June/July.  

if it were only that easy..... long story short, im stuck in new mexico until my step daughter is old enough to say she wants to move to Canada. upside is it should only be a few years.

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Re-opening of schools is killing us slowly. A big % of transmission is there. 2nd wave started in September.

At least, death % is way lower than 1st wave. Now that all long time care units patient had their first dose, they are safe. We even had an eclosion in one place, some had symptoms, but nobody died.

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In Quebec, groceries, hardware store, Costco, Ikea, open as usual since May2020 IIRC. Sometime with huge lineup (for toilet paper, like). One thing I refused was to do lineups, I just turned around and chosed when to go.

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Cases are exploding in BC, and hospitalizations are going up but deaths are staying steady.  More young people are dying and becoming long-haulers now.  PHO refuses to impose new restrictions.  Many are questioning whether we should do a short circuit-breaker lockdown to get the cases down.

Easter weekend is coming up and the ferry reservations are sold out.  It is going to get worse before it gets better.  

We will get to the over-60's in about a month for vaccination, but we are running out of Pfizer and Moderna and switching to the somewhat-less-effective Astra-Zeneca.  That means cases will be high for a long time yet.

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5 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

I thought these things worked?

Lockdown?

Travel restrictions?

Closing restaurants?

 

What happened?

 

Non-conformance happened (and continues to happen)...

I never understood that you "thought these things worked".  Did you change your mind?  Or is that fake news?

No matter, I get it that misinformation is a core value of your twisted diatribes...

Cheers!

 

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16 hours ago, CriticalPath said:

Non-conformance happened (and continues to happen)...

I never understood that you "thought these things worked".  Did you change your mind?  Or is that fake news?

No matter, I get it that misinformation is a core value of your twisted diatribes...

Cheers!

 

Ahhhh, right.  Blame the humans.

Successful virus mitigation that requires ~1 year of complete compliance to anything the government says.
 

Two weeks, became 52 weeks.  And still it doesn't work.
And STILL people are blaming other humans - instead of realizing it was never ever going to work.

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Well sure, your solution would have worked. What was it again?

Partially applied solutions provide partial results. Imagine, if you can, what would it be like if nothing had been done, as you propose nothing.

My solution is to stay away from the beast, and keep as many barriers as possible between me and it. Funny, it is in line with what our gouvernment is recommending. Up to now, it is been working for me.

As a good Canadian, sorry BlatantE. I'm just alergic to stupidity.

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Never say never, but I never said we did everything right. The first thing we did was; in March 2020, we acknowledge that there was a problem, and tried something.

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No need to put it in my face, I see it each day, very disappointing. This is mainly caused by the variants in Ontario. Spreading rapidly to the other provinces. 50% of new cases are variants.

Seriously asking, what do you have to propose. Just trying to wake up the good in you.

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BC went lock down ( bars, restaurants etc) as of yesterday. And will stay that way for 3 weeks. I don't mind with that but my yacht club - yes. It's my second home. They are doing take out, like many, but not even close. Some on Wastebook are blaming De. Bonnie but frankly - grow up! It's difficult situation and it doesn't help to bitch & whine on the net! 

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11 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

A year of restrictions, for this:

 

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Which is it... restrictions and masks etc etc don't work, or is it that Canada started with masks and restrictions early & more strictly, and suffered very considerably fewer Covid-19 casualties?

Or is it somehow, thru the miracle of being very stupid, BOTH!!

- DSK

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14 hours ago, Maxx Baqustae said:

BC went lock down ( bars, restaurants etc) as of yesterday. And will stay that way for 3 weeks. I don't mind with that but my yacht club - yes. It's my second home. They are doing take out, like many, but not even close. Some on Wastebook are blaming De. Bonnie but frankly - grow up! It's difficult situation and it doesn't help to bitch & whine on the net! 

Yes, it is easy to second guess.  They are walking a tightrope with employment at one end, and deaths from the virus at the other.  

I still think the handwriting was on the wall weeks ago, and if they had done the 3 week lockdown weeks ago, it could have been a two week lockdown.  

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20 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

A year of restrictions, for this:

 

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It is important to note that while Canada's cases are high, the death rate per million is still low, and staying low though there was a recent small up-tick.

Compare this to the USA, which has had consistently 4 times the death rate per million that Canada has had, with much fewer restrictions.   Which approach do you think was more successful?  The numbers speak for themselves.

Israel, the country with the most vaccinated people in the world, only just in the last day or two managed to get their death rate down to something approximating Canada's.  For a time Israel's death rate was 10 times higher.

So, while the case numbers are bleak and rising, the death rate is remaining comparatively low and constant.  In another two months we will have most of the people at risk of dying vaccinated.  After that, we just have to we have to carefully monitor ICU capacity to take care of the severe cases, and while those can be very devastating, at least people will almost surely escape with their lives.  

All in all, the country has if anything erred on the side of being too quick to ease restrictions and get people back to work, and too slow to re-impose restrictions when things got bad.  I would have thought that you, of all people, would be applauding that.

 

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22 hours ago, PeterSailor said:

No need to put it in my face, I see it each day, very disappointing. This is mainly caused by the variants in Ontario. Spreading rapidly to the other provinces. 50% of new cases are variants.

Seriously asking, what do you have to propose. Just trying to wake up the good in you.

Lol, ok.  The good in me is alive and well.  I'm free, living my life without restrictions and fear. 
Trying to encourage all of you that got sold up the river, to do likewise.

The *correct* response here, that I was saying since February 2020 - was to do NOTHING.
The curve would have looked the same. That data is in, and very clear.

Compare Florida to California.
Compare Sweden to any European Country.
Compare Texas to Michigan. 

Lockdowns / Masks / Social Distancing have, statistically, zero correlation with declines in cases or deaths.
The death rate for Covid 19 is LOWER than the flu (if you're under 70 or so)


You need to look at the data, and realize that:
You're government was wrong (and never corrected)
Your media was wrong.
Your social media friends were wrong.

 

The world is crumbling everywhere. The global supply chain is a disaster.
Hundreds of millions of people are starving and suffering.

So that 5% more old rich people in the first world could live an extra 6 months.

 

You guys fucked up the entire world, so you could sit on your laptop, smugly complaining that this was the worst thing ever.
Forgetting that YOU created it.  

Your silence, your complicity, your head in the sand.
You killed millions. 

And you just keep denying it.

 

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7 minutes ago, BlatantEcho said:

The *correct* response here, that I was saying since February 2020 - was to do NOTHING.

JHC you are a fokin idiot , do nothing was what tRump did , how many died .

 

oxygen is wasted on you .

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19 minutes ago, BlatantEcho said:

Lol, ok.  The good in me is alive and well

Finally, a breath of fresh air.  I might even climb out of my bomb shelter.

I will test my covid detector to see what's blowing in the wind.  I sure hope it works.

It's quite a joke that the human race got this thing wrong universally.

Thanks so much for straightening out my granny pants.

The benefit you bring to life overwhelms my tear ducts.

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1 hour ago, BlatantEcho said:

...   ...

You need to look at the data, and realize that:
You're government was wrong (and never corrected)
Your media was wrong.
Your social media friends were wrong.....

- DSK

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5 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

Lol, ok.  The good in me is alive and well.  I'm free, living my life without restrictions and fear. 
Trying to encourage all of you that got sold up the river, to do likewise.

The *correct* response here, that I was saying since February 2020 - was to do NOTHING.
The curve would have looked the same. That data is in, and very clear.

Compare Florida to California.
Compare Sweden to any European Country.
Compare Texas to Michigan. 

Lockdowns / Masks / Social Distancing have, statistically, zero correlation with declines in cases or deaths.
The death rate for Covid 19 is LOWER than the flu (if you're under 70 or so)


You need to look at the data, and realize that:
You're government was wrong (and never corrected)
Your media was wrong.
Your social media friends were wrong.

 

The world is crumbling everywhere. The global supply chain is a disaster.
Hundreds of millions of people are starving and suffering.

So that 5% more old rich people in the first world could live an extra 6 months.

 

You guys fucked up the entire world, so you could sit on your laptop, smugly complaining that this was the worst thing ever.
Forgetting that YOU created it.  

Your silence, your complicity, your head in the sand.
You killed millions. 

And you just keep denying it.

 

Right off the deep end.  You are an interesting piece of work.  The young people dying at the moment due to this virus will haunt you for the rest of your pathetic life.

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19 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

Lol, ok.  The good in me is alive and well.  I'm free, living my life without restrictions and fear. 
Trying to encourage all of you that got sold up the river, to do likewise.

The *correct* response here, that I was saying since February 2020 - was to do NOTHING.
The curve would have looked the same. That data is in, and very clear.

Compare Florida to California.
Compare Sweden to any European Country.
Compare Texas to Michigan. 

Lockdowns / Masks / Social Distancing have, statistically, zero correlation with declines in cases or deaths.
The death rate for Covid 19 is LOWER than the flu (if you're under 70 or so)


You need to look at the data, and realize that:
You're government was wrong (and never corrected)
Your media was wrong.
Your social media friends were wrong.

 

The world is crumbling everywhere. The global supply chain is a disaster.
Hundreds of millions of people are starving and suffering.

So that 5% more old rich people in the first world could live an extra 6 months.

 

You guys fucked up the entire world, so you could sit on your laptop, smugly complaining that this was the worst thing ever.
Forgetting that YOU created it.  

Your silence, your complicity, your head in the sand.
You killed millions. 

And you just keep denying it.

 

Truly sad how the American k to 12 system turns out such poorly educated Americans.

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Lol, bunch of 80 year olds on this forum.

 

The part I struggle with, is this:

At the start?  I get it.  Be scared.  Be afraid.   Wait for data.
I wasn't, but, most were.  Ok!

 

But now?  A year later?
The Data Is In.

IFR of Covid is .1 - .15%.
That's similar to the flu.

 

Seriously, that's just a fact from the CDC.
For about 80% of the population (the working class) - it's LESS deadly than the flu.  LESS.

And, you guys don't change your tone.

You don't look at the facts, objectively, and say 'huh, yeah, the story the media told us, doesn't fit reality'

 

You are just so hooked on the story you've been sold.
You're so convinced MSNBC/FOX/NY Times/facebook are all just 100% altruistic and correct.

 

No one here says 'huh, you know, none of this lines up with what we were told a year ago.  That seems odd.
All these media companies have made $$$$$$$ off this.  And yet, they are wrong about 50% of what they said.
Weird'

 

You Just Keep Nodding Your Heads.  In complete blind agreement that Covid is the first thing that has happened in the history of the world - to kill other humans - to save the rich ones.

 

I will never understand how, good, rational, smart people - don't see the forrest for the trees.
They would rather see the ship sink, cheering wildly on twitter, instead of change course and realize 'hey, this story doesn't add up at all.'

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3 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

Lol, bunch of 80 year olds on this forum.

 

The part I struggle with, is this:

At the start?  I get it.  Be scared.  Be afraid.   Wait for data.
I wasn't, but, most were.  Ok!

 

But now?  A year later?
The Data Is In.

IFR of Covid is .1 - .15%.
That's similar to the flu.

 

Seriously, that's just a fact from the CDC.
For about 80% of the population (the working class) - it's LESS deadly than the flu.  LESS.

And, you guys don't change your tone.

You don't look at the facts, objectively, and say 'huh, yeah, the story the media told us, doesn't fit reality'

 

You are just so hooked on the story you've been sold.
You're so convinced MSNBC/FOX/NY Times/facebook are all just 100% altruistic and correct.

 

No one here says 'huh, you know, none of this lines up with what we were told a year ago.  That seems odd.
All these media companies have made $$$$$$$ off this.  And yet, they are wrong about 50% of what they said.
Weird'

 

You Just Keep Nodding Your Heads.  In complete blind agreement that Covid is the first thing that has happened in the history of the world - to kill other humans - to save the rich ones.

 

I will never understand how, good, rational, smart people - don't see the forrest for the trees.
They would rather see the ship sink, cheering wildly on twitter, instead of change course and realize 'hey, this story doesn't add up at all.'

https://apnews.com/article/d43aade61cf70abe1f9de070a8d1280b
 

 

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Funny how we can make number say anything we want.

For US, from the CDC site for 2019

Deaths involving influenza and pneumonia: 49,783
Influenza only: 5,902
Deaths from all causes: 2,854,838

From CDC for the last 12 months

Deaths involving Covid: 535,477
Deaths from all causes: 4,147,522

So very similar to the flu

 

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19 hours ago, Keith said:

Target Product Profile Analysis of COVID-19 Vaccines in Phase III Clinical Trials and Beyond: An Early 2021 Perspective
 

https://www.novateur.ca/Target-Product-Profile-Analysis-of-COVID-19-Vaccines-in-Phase-III-Clinical-Trials-and-Beyond

Great article, thanks.

One of the recent news articles I've seen is about cross-testing vaccines... what happens if you give a person 1 dose of Pfizer and 1 dose of NovaVax, etc.

Given that medicines are never tested in combinations, the best answer so far "we don't know" but so many people are on multiple meds and are unwitting walking chemistry experiments already.

- DSK

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They accidently tested the cross-vaccine in Quebec. One patient in LTCU in Montreal got 2 doses of different vaccine, probably Pfizer & Moderna at the time, in 3 weeks interval. Pretty sure they are monitoring that one closely. She is 97.

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On 4/3/2021 at 5:27 AM, Rain Man said:

Right off the deep end.  You are an interesting piece of work.  The young people dying at the moment due to this virus will haunt you for the rest of your pathetic life.

Define young?  It is a subjective term surely.

Once you have worked that out then state how many "young" people have actually died from Covid-19?

Only 150 under the age of 40 died WITH Covid-19 in Sweden.  They kept all their schools open for those under 15.  

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On 4/3/2021 at 11:38 PM, BlatantEcho said:

Seriously, that's just a fact from the CDC.
For about 80% of the population (the working class) - it's LESS deadly than the flu.  LESS.

And, you guys don't change your tone.

They won't change their tone because the collateral damage done won't affect them.   Unless of course they are on a Government pension and the Government starts to struggle to pay it.

They are also lucky because their comorbidities have been already diagnosed prior to Covid-19 and they are being treated.  Those that haven't had that benefit don't concern them.

 

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Heard you guys are going to do more lockdowns.  LOL.
I guess since the first ones worked so well, got to repeat the success?

 

The original point, A YEAR AGO, was to make sure hospitals don't get overrun.
Now, what's the justification?

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I'm sure you the public will be happy to try more lockdowns again with these trends.
You guys love this don't you?  Do as your told.
Buy into the Neo-Science that says masks, and lockdowns work - all because your politicians and media tell you what to believe?
Unreal.

 

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BE, we have not had anything like a lockdown though we have had mask and social distancing rules in place. One of the significant issues is the number of people not wearing masks in some settings. Having family over for a birthday or other celebrations is often cause to go without masks and there are job sites where the people working do not wear their masks finding them intrusive or stretching the rules to say they are outside and distanced. 

I believe masks and lockdowns whether partial or complete are effective but certainly the data tells us they are not completely working. There is a possibility that they will ultimately find out that there is another channel of transmission that they have not yet identified. 

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12 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

I'm sure you the public will be happy to try more lockdowns again with these trends.
You guys love this don't you?  Do as your told.
Buy into the Neo-Science that says masks, and lockdowns work - all because your politicians and media tell you what to believe?
Unreal.

The problem is that in Canada or BC at least the "lockdowns" are like the Pirates Code - more like guidelines than rules.

Don't want to wear a mask in a store?  Just tell the store employees you're exempt - simple as that.

Feel like spending a weekend in Whistler?  Go ahead.  Millions of Brazilians (of the P1 variety) have recently made Whistler their home - so a little something to take home with you as well.

Take the Ferry to the Island for Easter Weekend?  Be our guest and don't forget to dine in our onboard cafe (although every other restaurant is closed to dining as of last week).

We have done a very good job of talkin' the talk - but I am reminded of the DOA slogan  "Talk - Action = 0"

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17 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

I'm sure you the public will be happy to try more lockdowns again with these trends.
You guys love this don't you?  Do as your told.
Buy into the Neo-Science that says masks, and lockdowns work - all because your politicians and media tell you what to believe?
Unreal.

 

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Take your self-righteous, anti-science attitude and shove it right up your ass.  Please.  

Lockdowns don't work?  Australia.  New Zealand.  Fuck off.

Though I am glad to hear you won't be getting vaccinated, because it doesn't work, and it is just a government plot to control people, right?

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7 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Take your self-righteous, anti-science attitude and shove it right up your ass.  Please.  

Lockdowns don't work?  Australia.  New Zealand.  Fuck off.

Though I am glad to hear you won't be getting vaccinated, because it doesn't work, and it is just a government plot to control people, right?

You pointed to two islands that are super easy to isolate, in total and in the different states of Australia.

Lockdowns don't work.

The WHO, CDC and every science establishment says this.
No one recommends it.  There are zero studies that say it makes any sense.

 

You're an anti-science troll if you keep telling people it works.

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Rain Man, he is not anti-science, he is using science the same way some are using it to prove the earth is flat. BE, I did not say you are a flat earth believer. What i'm saying it that science can be twisted to any one liking.

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16 minutes ago, PeterSailor said:

Rain Man, he is not anti-science, he is using science the same way some are using it to prove the earth is flat. BE, I did not say you are a flat earth believer. What i'm saying it that science can be twisted to any one liking.

When you deliberately seek a specific answer instead whatever the right answer may be, that's no longer "science"

The word "science" is badly abused, almost as badly as "technology."

Science is just a short way to say "systematically and methodically measuring every relevant factor we can think of, plus a bunch that we haven't thought of yet, to try and figure *insert difficult problem* out."

Science is difficult and boring. Spouting made-up bullshit is fun and easy. It's easy to see why it's so popular with certain types of people.

Then there's the ones that are deliberately spreading harmful nonsense.

- DSK

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5 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

You pointed to two islands that are super easy to isolate, in total and in the different states of Australia.

Lockdowns don't work.

The WHO, CDC and every science establishment says this.
No one recommends it.  There are zero studies that say it makes any sense.

 

You're an anti-science troll if you keep telling people it works.

BE and the rest of the anti-lockdown covid-denier neanderthals support herd immunity and no lockdowns.  Here is a scientific opinion on that:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32153-X/fulltext

"The arrival of a second wave and the realisation of the challenges ahead has led to renewed interest in a so-called herd immunity approach, which suggests allowing a large uncontrolled outbreak in the low-risk population while protecting the vulnerable. Proponents suggest this would lead to the development of infection-acquired population immunity in the low-risk population, which will eventually protect the vulnerable.

This is a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence."
 
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6 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

You pointed to two islands that are super easy to isolate, in total and in the different states of Australia.

Lockdowns don't work.

The WHO, CDC and every science establishment says this.
No one recommends it.  There are zero studies that say it makes any sense.

 

You're an anti-science troll if you keep telling people it works.

Bullshit.  Complete and utter bullshit.  

Actual WHO statement on lockdowns:

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19

For the anti-science, anti-mental-competence BE here is the excerpt:

"Large scale physical distancing measures and movement restrictions, often referred to as ‘lockdowns’, can slow COVID‑19 transmission by limiting contact between people.

However, these measures can have a profound negative impact on individuals, communities, and societies by bringing social and economic life to a near stop. Such measures disproportionately affect disadvantaged groups, including people in poverty, migrants, internally displaced people and refugees, who most often live in overcrowded and under resourced settings, and depend on daily labour for subsistence.

WHO recognizes that at certain points, some countries have had no choice but to issue stay-at-home orders and other measures, to buy time."

For the mentally-challenged BE, this can be summarized as:

1) Lockdowns work.

2) They have negative consequences, particularly for poor people.

3) Sometimes countries have to use them as there may be no alternative.

So, BE, please fuck off.  I mean that sincerely.  If you keep coming back here and spouting bullshit the next step is to take this to the mods.  You deserve a well-earned rest from here so you can contemplate the error of your ways.

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North Korea has a lockdown:

Border sealed, hard curfew enforced by the army.  Summary execution or re-education camps for violators.

It works - COVID transmission is very low, but the side effects are starvation and economic implosion.

 

So in Canada we get a wishy/washy lockdown light that doesn't stop transmission, but it does piss everyone off and encourages tribalism.

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12 minutes ago, Tax Man said:

North Korea has a lockdown:

Border sealed, hard curfew enforced by the army.  Summary execution or re-education camps for violators.

It works - COVID transmission is very low, but the side effects are starvation and economic implosion.

 

So in Canada we get a wishy/washy lockdown light that doesn't stop transmission, but it does piss everyone off and encourages tribalism.

On balance, I think Canada would have been better off with short (2-3 weeks), complete "circuit breaker" lockdowns each time the cases started to rise, rather than wishy/washy lockdown.  We also needed to really shut the US border to all but essential goods instead of "border closure light" (my parents crossed the border by car 4 times in the last two months) and we need legislation to permit interprovincial border closure.  We needed to shut down international and interprovincial flights too. 

Canada demonstrably protected the people and the economy with CERB and stimulus money.  Not all countries can do that, for sure, but many can. North Korea had starvation and economic implosion before the lockdown - they just had more of it after.

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3 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Bullshit.  Complete and utter bullshit.  

Actual WHO statement on lockdowns:

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19

For the anti-science, anti-mental-competence BE here is the excerpt:

"Large scale physical distancing measures and movement restrictions, often referred to as ‘lockdowns’, can slow COVID‑19 transmission by limiting contact between people.

However, these measures can have a profound negative impact on individuals, communities, and societies by bringing social and economic life to a near stop. Such measures disproportionately affect disadvantaged groups, including people in poverty, migrants, internally displaced people and refugees, who most often live in overcrowded and under resourced settings, and depend on daily labour for subsistence.

WHO recognizes that at certain points, some countries have had no choice but to issue stay-at-home orders and other measures, to buy time."

For the mentally-challenged BE, this can be summarized as:

1) Lockdowns work.

2) They have negative consequences, particularly for poor people.

3) Sometimes countries have to use them as there may be no alternative.

So, BE, please fuck off.  I mean that sincerely.  If you keep coming back here and spouting bullshit the next step is to take this to the mods.  You deserve a well-earned rest from here so you can contemplate the error of your ways.

Why don't you quote the WHO policy BEFORE March 2020 rather than December 2020?  For that matter the policy of many countries.  Sweden for all the acrimony and vitriol fired in their direction followed the pandemic plans that were collectively agreed to and recommended by WHO AND the CDC.  The basis of those plans was that lockdown's cause more health, social and economic harm than good.  The objective being to suppress infection and to protect the vulnerable to allow health systems to cope.  Elimination was never part of the strategy.  These plans were all based on viruses with worse characteristics than Covid-19.  

There is some irony in that lockdowns have arguably extended the pandemic and allowed the emergence of supposedly more infectious and fatal variants.  Add to that the economic and social damage and the death toll from the virus itself will look insignificant.

WHO changed their policy and pandemic management strategies which were based on decades of evidence based research part way through 2020.  It was clearly a political response and not a holistic health based response.  Was it coincidental that China increased their funding while the USA decreased theirs during this period?

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13 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Why don't you quote the WHO policy BEFORE March 2020 rather than December 2020?  For that matter the policy of many countries.  Sweden for all the acrimony and vitriol fired in their direction followed the pandemic plans that were collectively agreed to and recommended by WHO AND the CDC.  The basis of those plans was that lockdown's cause more health, social and economic harm than good.  The objective being to suppress infection and to protect the vulnerable to allow health systems to cope.  Elimination was never part of the strategy.  These plans were all based on viruses with worse characteristics than Covid-19.  

There is some irony in that lockdowns have arguably extended the pandemic and allowed the emergence of supposedly more infectious and fatal variants.  Add to that the economic and social damage and the death toll from the virus itself will look insignificant.

WHO changed their policy and pandemic management strategies which were based on decades of evidence based research part way through 2020.  It was clearly a political response and not a holistic health based response.  Was it coincidental that China increased their funding while the USA decreased theirs during this period?

Ahhhh, facts!  We can't have those here!

Fauci is God!!  
Canada did great!
Sweden is awful!

 

Killing and hurting hundreds of millions of people - so old people in the first world can live a year longer is the right call.
CNN told me so!

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10 hours ago, FINS said:

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1882725955871

Sounds like they have done nothing right.

Agreed.  We needed more lockdowns, particularly when the cases started to go up at the beginning of the third wave.  We needed to actually close the borders, not pretend they were closed.  We needed to actually quarantine people in facilities, not let them out into the community on their promise to quarantine. 

Now the virus is out of control, because our health leaders hesitated to take stricter measures, opting instead for minor tweaks of the protocols and shutting down a few superspreader venues like Whistler.  Wishful thinking is now costing lives.

Our most populous province, Ontario, has this week been forced into complete lockdown for 4 weeks because the health care system is overloaded.   Had they done this a month ago, they may have been able to shorten the lockdown to two weeks.   Out here in BC, we are probably headed in the same direction, and will be there in about two weeks.  

The variants are hitting younger people hard, and causing death.  Fuck you BE, suggesting this virus only kills old people. 

On a brighter note, Israel, with a 60% vaccination rate, is only now getting their 7-day rolling average death rate/Million down to Canada's.  Canada is vaccinating at a rate of almost 1% per day now, so in another two months things should look better.  We are almost at 20% now.

Hoping for a vaccination before the end of April, but it will probably be mid-May now.

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2 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

Yikes Canada.... almost back to the highest levels of cases....ever.
Talk about not handling a pandemic well.

Any politicians  going to resign/fired/charged with crimes?

 

Yeah, Canada is doing about 8X better than the USA under Trump, that's -terrible-... almost criminal!!!

- DSK

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The most interesting metric is this one, IMHO (7 day moving average deaths/million):

 

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What is of concern is that deaths are remaining nearly constant.  Given that across the country the strategy has been to vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable first, and those vaccinations have mostly happened and they are no longer dying, that likely indicates that the death rate among younger people is increasing as the cases increase.   

 

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