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October 29, 20205:00 AM ET

The New Hope Missionary Baptist Church in Waterloo. The senior high school in Fort Dodge. The Masonic Temple in Council Bluffs.

Iowa voters won't be able to cast their ballot at those locations this Election Day, or at many of the state's other usual polling places. Closures and consolidations have rippled across Iowa due to the coronavirus pandemic, resulting in hundreds fewer Election Day polling places than the state had in 2016.

Another Tarrant County Polling Site Closes After Worker Contracts COVID-19

FORT WORTH (CBSDFW.COM) – Another North Texas poll worker has tested positive for the coronavirus.


Brevard County Closes Palm Bay Voting Site After Election Workers Test Positive for COVID

By Greg Pallone Brevard County

UPDATED 3:55 PM ET Oct. 30, 2020 PUBLISHED 7:22 AM ET Oct. 30, 2020

BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. — A Brevard County early voting site is still shutdown after election workers tested positive for coronavirus.

Hidalgo polling site shut down after poll worker tests positive for COVID-19

October 30, 2020
 

A Hidalgo County polling location has been shut down after a poll worker tested positive, the county elections administrator, Yvonne Ramon, announced Friday. 

The polling location at Hidalgo City Hall, at 704 E. Ramon Ayala Drive, was shut down at around 4:30 p.m. Friday, about two-and-a-half hours before it was scheduled to close, out of an abundance of caution, Ramon said in a news release issued by the county.


 
Brevard County Closes Palm Bay Voting Site After Election Workers Test Positive for COVID
Brevard County Closes Palm Bay Voting Site After Election Workers Test Positive for COVID

Brevard County Closes Palm Bay Voting Site After Election Workers Test Positive for COVID

By Greg Pallone Brevard County
UPDATED 3:55 PM ET Oct. 30, 2020 PUBLISHED 7:22 AM ET Oct. 30, 2020
 
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Wouldn't it be ironic if the Trumpists that are waiting to vote in person on election day missed their chance to vote because their polling place was shut down by the fake wuhan virus?

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1 minute ago, Willin' said:

Wouldn't it be ironic if the Trumpists that are waiting to vote in person on election day missed their chance to vote because their polling place was shut down by the fake wuhan virus?

Pretty sure this is the point from the OP - 

Overall, this affects some 670,000 Iowans, 30% of the state's registered voters. Those affected by the changes overwhelmingly live in the state's urban areas, which reliably vote Democratic. And the closures are happening at a time of multiple competitive races in the state, including the presidential contest.

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It would be the cruelest of ironies if Trump won re-election because the virus he denied the seriousness of for months wound up shutting down polling place in mostly Democratic areas.

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1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

Pretty sure this is the point from the OP - 

Overall, this affects some 670,000 Iowans, 30% of the state's registered voters. Those affected by the changes overwhelmingly live in the state's urban areas, which reliably vote Democratic. And the closures are happening at a time of multiple competitive races in the state, including the presidential contest.

Cities are breeding grounds for disease.  Doesn't have a damn thing to do with the politics.

 

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12 minutes ago, Saorsa said:
1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

Pretty sure this is the point from the OP - 

Overall, this affects some 670,000 Iowans, 30% of the state's registered voters. Those affected by the changes overwhelmingly live in the state's urban areas, which reliably vote Democratic. And the closures are happening at a time of multiple competitive races in the state, including the presidential contest.

Cities are breeding grounds for disease.  Doesn't have a damn thing to do with the politics.

I have little doubt you believe this is about the health of citizens. 

All of the actions taken, and statement made, by the President certainly support that belief.

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13 minutes ago, Saorsa said:
1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

Pretty sure this is the point from the OP - 

Overall, this affects some 670,000 Iowans, 30% of the state's registered voters. Those affected by the changes overwhelmingly live in the state's urban areas, which reliably vote Democratic. And the closures are happening at a time of multiple competitive races in the state, including the presidential contest.

Cities are breeding grounds for disease.  Doesn't have a damn thing to do with the politics.

Oh, right

That's why the steepest and most threatening spikes in the pandemic are in rural counties, these last few weeks

- DSK

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46 minutes ago, jerseyguy said:

It would be the cruelest of ironies if Trump won re-election because the virus he denied the seriousness of for months wound up shutting down polling place in mostly Democratic areas.

That was the plan.

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3 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Anybody still working for him.

Some of his elk are so dumb they couldn’t spell cat if you spotted them the c and the t.

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2 minutes ago, Muldoon said:

Says the guy who can't spell "ilk."

Would someone be kind enough to explain to the newbie what “elk” is all about.  Otherwise his socially unaware ass goes on ignore.

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I heard a good segment on NPR on this very subject.  The state election guy they interviewed said they had been begging younger people to come volunteer at the polls due to the covid issue, because the traditional older retired poll worker is rightly scared to expose themselves.  So far the youts have said "no thanks, we don't have the time" and then immediately went back to spending hours on wastebook, instasham, and fuktok.  

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I've never had an older retired poll worker expose themselves to me..... Never had a younger one expose themselves to me either..... At least not on erection day.

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3 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

I have little doubt you believe this is about the health of citizens. 

All of the actions taken, and statement made, by the President certainly support that belief.

Shouldn't be difficult for you to prove. 

How many polling places have been closed down without a COVID outbreak?

Are you sure they are primarily in democrat dominated precincts? 

Have there been provision for those closed locations to have their precinct vote elsewhere; like the nearest uncontaminated location?

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29 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Shouldn't be difficult for you to prove. 

How many polling places have been closed down without a COVID outbreak?

Are you sure they are primarily in democrat dominated precincts? 

Have there been provision for those closed locations to have their precinct vote elsewhere; like the nearest uncontaminated location?

sorry, not interested in rubbing your nose in the facts, again. 

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For an old woman, Saorsa sure sounds like a little girl with her labia stuck in her zipper.

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12 hours ago, Gouvernail said:

Once a sleazy dictator and his regime get in power, it is extremely difficult to get power back to the people. 
   Maybe the coalition that invaded Iraq could come liberate America. 

maybe the Iranians and the Iraqis should come and liberate the USA.

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9 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Shouldn't be difficult for you to prove. 

How many polling places have been closed down without a COVID outbreak?

Are you sure they are primarily in democrat dominated precincts? 

Have there been provision for those closed locations to have their precinct vote elsewhere; like the nearest uncontaminated location?

Haha..how many polling stations don't have a covid outbreak? just hover.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

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15 hours ago, Willin' said:

Wouldn't it be ironic if the Trumpists that are waiting to vote in person on election day missed their chance to vote because their polling place was shut down by the fake wuhan virus?

:)

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19 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

Hmmmm.  Didn't think the fall of the USAnian empire would happen during my lifetime.  What a shitshow.

What could go wrong?

 

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57 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Haha..how many polling stations don't have a covid outbreak? just hover.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

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Not here- but we’re taking pictures of the unmasked and posting them.  When you whip out the iPhone, they run, thank God....

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13 hours ago, Amati said:

Not here- but we’re taking pictures of the unmasked and posting them.  When you whip out the iPhone, they run, thank God....

Unmasked?  Unmasked what?  Just as in unmasked people in general, or unmasked at polling places?

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On 10/31/2020 at 10:04 AM, Saorsa said:

Cities are breeding grounds for disease.  Doesn't have a damn thing to do with the politics.

 

Tokyo, Shanghai, Osaka, Beijing are four of the world’s largest 10 cities.   Any explanation how they escaped carnage that doesn’t involving good governance?   

 

 

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15 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Hmmmm.  Didn't think the fall of the USAnian empire would happen during my lifetime.  What a shitshow.

 Whoa...The Roman empire wasn't dead just because Caligula tried to suck his own dick, or Nero fiddled out a COVID outbreak. The empire lasted until Rome was sacked.    

 

   

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13 minutes ago, Mark K said:

 Whoa...The Roman empire wasn't dead just because Caligula tried to suck his own dick, or Nero fiddled out a COVID outbreak. The empire lasted until Rome was sacked.       

Rome's sack by the Visigoths in 410 only ended the Western half of the empire, the one based in Rome. The Eastern half based in Constantinople lived on until it was captured by the Ottoman Turks in 1453, or as my Roman Civ prof put it in the last lecture of class as he fast forwarded through Byzantium, Welcome to the Middle Ages (fall of Rome through to the fall of Constantinople). The empire was split by Constantine in 330 and then further split religiously in 451 into Rome, Alexandria, Antioch (Turkish Syrian border) and Jerusalem. That's when we get da popes. Before that he was just the Bishop of Rome.

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35 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

Guam has more cases per 100,000 than Westchester County, NY right now.  As do So. Dakota and North Dakota.  Also the Yukon Census territory in AK and Denali.  But keep bullshitting bullshitter.

The shithole county soreass lives in has more cases per 100k yesterday than NYC. Facts don’t matter to that dumb motherfucker.

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55 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Rome's sack by the Visigoths in 410 only ended the Western half of the empire, the one based in Rome. The Eastern half based in Constantinople lived on until it was captured by the Ottoman Turks in 1453, or as my Roman Civ prof put it in the last lecture of class as he fast forwarded through Byzantium, Welcome to the Middle Ages (fall of Rome through to the fall of Constantinople). The empire was split by Constantine in 330 and then further split religiously in 451 into Rome, Alexandria, Antioch (Turkish Syrian border) and Jerusalem. That's when we get da popes. Before that he was just the Bishop of Rome.

Yes but when it was solely based in Byzantium it was no longer the Roman Empire. The Western branch became the Holy Roman Empire which never achieved any of the three.      

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1 hour ago, roundthebuoys said:

Guam has more cases per 100,000 than Westchester County, NY right now.  As do So. Dakota and North Dakota.  Also the Yukon Census territory in AK and Denali.  But keep bullshitting bullshitter.

Guamians can't vote. 

maybe this should go in the voter suppression thread. Puerto Rico, Guam..  how many other American citizens are denied suffrage under the constitution?  

The US Navy brought Covid to Guam and there's not a damn thing they can do.  It's like Smallpox and natives all over again.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-01/us-citizens-in-guam-cant-vote-in-election-trump-biden/12821762

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3 hours ago, Mark K said:

Yes but when it was solely based in Byzantium it was no longer the Roman Empire. The Western branch became the Holy Roman Empire which never achieved any of the three.      

Well, the official language of Byzantium was Latin; so I'll go with that. As for the Holy Roman Empire, yeah, the Visigoths invaded Rome and then Catholicism invaded the Visigoths (in the same way that a minor Jewish sect invaded Rome after Rome ruled Jerusalem; funny how it works out that way). Germans revere Tacitus because of his Germania which recorded their mythic past. They had no written history prior. They didn't really have writing as much as runes for signs.

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1 minute ago, The Joker said:

If polling places are not open because of Covid.  Do any of you really think there will not be provisions made to allow voters to exercise their constitutional right to vote?  

Yes.

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10 minutes ago, The Joker said:

If polling places are not open because of Covid.  Do any of you really think there will not be provisions made to allow voters to exercise their constitutional right to vote?  

:lol::lol: our rightwing bullshitter thinks there’s a constitutional right to vote, under his Supreme Court 

fuck you, traitor.

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40 minutes ago, The Joker said:

If polling places are not open because of Covid.  Do any of you really think there will not be provisions made to allow voters to exercise their constitutional right to vote?  

Depends. Are you in a blue state or red state?

if a red state, a blue district or a red district?

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2 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:
2 hours ago, The Joker said:

If polling places are not open because of Covid.  Do any of you really think there will not be provisions made to allow voters to exercise their constitutional right to vote?  

Yes.

Not of the Trump campaign lawyers can help it.

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16 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

Guam has more cases per 100,000 than Westchester County, NY right now.  As do So. Dakota and North Dakota.  Also the Yukon Census territory in AK and Denali.  But keep bullshitting bullshitter.

OHHH, so now you want to go on a per capita basis.  I thought the absolute number was the key. 

That means that Trump must actually be doing a good job.

Lets see

Population 350 Million

Total cases to date 9.8 million 2.8% of the population

Total deaths 231 Thousand   2% of cases and 0.06% (less than one tenth of 1%of population.

Maybe it's not so scary after all.  But it's sure an opportunity for politicians to spread fear and "do something".

Meanwhile, (If you actually follow the science) you can minimize the spread with simple hygienic measures and progress toward a preventive vaccine are moving at their normal pace which is about a year to develop.  Other COVID specific therapeutics are also in development.

The major difference there isn't so much scientific as it is logistical.  We are in the process of bulk manufacture of an unapproved vaccine.  The risk being assumed by the government with Operation Warp Speed.

https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explaining-operation-warp-speed/index.html

 

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11 hours ago, The Joker said:

If polling places are not open because of Covid.  Do any of you really think there will not be provisions made to allow voters to exercise their constitutional right to vote?  

:funny::funny::funny:

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On 10/31/2020 at 9:18 PM, Bus Driver said:

I have little doubt you believe this is about the health of citizens. 

All of the actions taken, and statement made, by the President certainly support that belief.

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Lol... Republicans have no trouble getting to the polls, nor are they immune from the China Virus... simply no excuse for not being able to vote or have voted in the 2020 election... early voting, absentee voting, walk up day of election voting... no excuse 

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1 hour ago, Saorsa said:

OHHH, so now you want to go on a per capita basis.  I thought the absolute number was the key. 

That means that Trump must actually be doing a good job.

...

 

Not really, on a per-capita basis the USA is one of the worst countries in the world

But you just go sit in the corner and chant ORANGE MAN GOOD!!

- DSK

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4 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Going to break 9.5 million, today.

Little more than a week and we'll break 10 million.

So much "winning".  Who else is getting tired of all this "winning"?

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Can’t have a novel virus sweeping the globe without “cases”...  life must go on. The death rate is actually very tame and acceptable for engaging in prudent activities as long as appropriate risk profiles are factored in. 

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18 hours ago, Lark said:

Tokyo, Shanghai, Osaka, Beijing are four of the world’s largest 10 cities.   Any explanation how they escaped carnage that doesn’t involving good governance?   

 

 

Check out the public sanitation in those cities and compare to NYC.  I've ridden the subways in Tokyo and NYC.  The levels of sanitation are vastly different in those two.  Hey, "Who knew you could clean a subway?".  General sanitation in the cities is equally different.  I don't lay that on the government so much as the citizenry.

They also managed to isolate the cases of COVID rather than expecting folks to sit around their apartment.  In Japan, no one was alllowed off the Diamond Princess.  In China you might recall the timelapse videos of a 'hospital' being built in ten days.  That was a sanitarium, the infected were moved there and isolated.  This is an entirely different approach where the states used (and contaminated) the existing medical facilities.  That led to different protocols for PPE and a lot of other differences.

Since you bring up governance, let us discuss that.

Although the word governance implies some order and control dictated from above that is not so much the case in the USA.  Our constitution begins with We The People and signifies a willingness to be governed by laws which we set.  It's a lot simpler in a single party state or one with a history of being ruled by royalty.  Parliamentary democracies with weak regional governments also work that way.

That is not the case in the USA.  We have strong State governments which most directly affect the citizenry.  There is often conflict when the federal government tries to dictate something.  That is true of our public health system.  The Federal Government provides oversight, advice and coordination but execution is left to the state and local governments.

The first thing you need for effective governance is a willingness to be governed.  "We are the resistance" almost sounds seditious but I just put it down to losers bitterly clinging to their sense of entitlement.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Saorsa said:

Check out the public sanitation in those cities and compare to NYC.  I've ridden the subways in Tokyo and NYC.  The levels of sanitation are vastly different in those two.  Hey, "Who knew you could clean a subway?".  General sanitation in the cities is equally different.  I don't lay that on the government so much as the citizenry.

They also managed to isolate the cases of COVID rather than expecting folks to sit around their apartment.  In Japan, no one was alllowed off the Diamond Princess.  In China you might recall the timelapse videos of a 'hospital' being built in ten days.  That was a sanitarium, the infected were moved there and isolated.  This is an entirely different approach where the states used (and contaminated) the existing medical facilities.  That led to different protocols for PPE and a lot of other differences.

Since you bring up governance, let us discuss that.

Although the word governance implies some order and control dictated from above that is not so much the case in the USA.  Our constitution begins with We The People and signifies a willingness to be governed by laws which we set.  It's a lot simpler in a single party state or one with a history of being ruled by royalty.  Parliamentary democracies with weak regional governments also work that way.

That is not the case in the USA.  We have strong State governments which most directly affect the citizenry.  There is often conflict when the federal government tries to dictate something.  That is true of our public health system.  The Federal Government provides oversight, advice and coordination but execution is left to the state and local governments.

The first thing you need for effective governance is a willingness to be governed.  "We are the resistance" almost sounds seditious but I just put it down to losers bitterly clinging to their sense of entitlement.

 

 

Why do you hate America?

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

Bullshit

Nope, I love living in a country where a Somalia immigrant can come to America and end up in congress.  Where an ardent member of the Democratic Socialists of America can run for office and win.  It shows that everyone is represented.

It also means that I am free to oppose turning America into a communist nation.  Socialism is the word they hide behind.

 

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7 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Nope, I love living in a country where a Somalia immigrant can come to America and end up in congress.  Where an ardent member of the Democratic Socialists of America can run for office and win.  It shows that everyone is represented.

It also means that I am free to oppose turning America into a communist nation.  Socialism is the word they hide behind.

 

You like the IDEA of America. If you r really believed in equal representation, you'd be moving hell and high water to make sure every American citizen HAD equal representation and easy access to it.

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On 10/31/2020 at 10:04 AM, Saorsa said:

Cities are breeding grounds for disease.  Doesn't have a damn thing to do with the politics.

 

Which is why homes a selling like hotcakes in rural areas all over New England that are an hour or two from Boston and Manhattan.  My former partner is busier than she's been since the go-go 80's!  I'd be tempted to get back in, but not worth the hassle.  Heard on NPR radio that Rutland VT was having such a problem losing all of their younger folks who where and are moving away.  They started paying young people to come and live there.  A bunch of city folks came, without the incentive being a factor, because they can work from home, maybe visit the city once a month or even less.  Rural New England is a beautiful place, and most places are not too far from the big city, if you must go there once in a while.  

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

You like the IDEA of America. If you r really believed in equal representation, you'd be moving hell and high water to make sure every American citizen HAD equal representation and easy access to it.

I've already suggested that we reorganize the house or representatives to be more localized by increasing the number of representatives at least tenfold and making 90% remain in their districts with their constituents.and vote via secure communications.

But, have a go Gertie.  You don't have a fucking clue.

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1 hour ago, Saorsa said:

Nope, I love living in a country where a Somalia immigrant can come to America and end up in congress.  Where an ardent member of the Democratic Socialists of America can run for office and win.  It shows that everyone is represented.

It also means that I am free to oppose turning America into a communist nation.  Socialism is the word they hide behind.

 

OO-ooo-oo scary bad communists! Be afraid, be very afraid!

Your irrational fear is an excellent reason to hate your fellow Americans, and to support their suppression, oppression, and at least partial extermination, isn't it!

- DSK

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Which is why homes a selling like hotcakes in rural areas all over New England that are an hour or two from Boston and Manhattan.  My former partner is busier than she's been since the go-go 80's!  I'd be tempted to get back in, but not worth the hassle.  Heard on NPR radio that Rutland VT was having such a problem losing all of their younger folks who where and are moving away.  They started paying young people to come and live there.  A bunch of city folks came, without the incentive being a factor, because they can work from home, maybe visit the city once a month or even less.  Rural New England is a beautiful place, and most places are not too far from the big city, if you must go there once in a while.  

Virtual jobs are absolutely changing real estate.   Small towns need to scramble for high speed communications infrastructure.   Rural (real rural) areas are still screwed.   Jobs don't have to be in the city.  Nor do they have to be in the NE.   Labor is cheaper in Oklahoma.   Its even cheaper in Mexico.   I hear we are deporting a lot of English speaking dreamers.    Interestingly, Alphabet? (one of the big tech names) announced it won't pay big city wages for its virtual employees not living in San Francisco.   Not only are the companies looking to cut costs on expensive parking lots and office space, they will cut payroll costs at the same time.   Allow a year for the dust to settle and the MBAs to finish organizing their proposals.   This will flatten the pay scale around parts of the US with decent communication very quickly, but I see no reason jobs will remain in the US.   Even when a brokers license or similar is required, if the rules don't require residency the job can still be outsourced.     The people that offshored production and outsourced customer service are about to be offshored themselves.   I hope they don't spend too much money on their new yards.

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38 minutes ago, Lark said:

Virtual jobs are absolutely changing real estate.   Small towns need to scramble for high speed communications infrastructure.   Rural (real rural) areas are still screwed.   Jobs don't have to be in the city.  Nor do they have to be in the NE.   Labor is cheaper in Oklahoma.   Its even cheaper in Mexico.   I hear we are deporting a lot of English speaking dreamers.    Interestingly, Alphabet? (one of the big tech names) announced it won't pay big city wages for its virtual employees not living in San Francisco.   Not only are the companies looking to cut costs on expensive parking lots and office space, they will cut payroll costs at the same time.   Allow a year for the dust to settle and the MBAs to finish organizing their proposals.   This will flatten the pay scale around parts of the US with decent communication very quickly, but I see no reason jobs will remain in the US.   Even when a brokers license or similar is required, if the rules don't require residency the job can still be outsourced.     The people that offshored production and outsourced customer service are about to be offshored themselves.   I hope they don't spend too much money on their new yards.

It's not just Alphabet cutting payroll for those who move....

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4 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Nope, I love living in a country where a Somalia immigrant can come to America and end up in congress.  Where an ardent member of the Democratic Socialists of America can run for office and win.  It shows that everyone is represented.

It also means that I am free to oppose turning America into a communist nation.  Socialism is the word they hide behind.

 

Sounds like you find communism to be orders of magnitude worse than socialism.

Why is that?

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On 11/1/2020 at 5:01 PM, Olsonist said:

Well, the official language of Byzantium was Latin; so I'll go with that. As for the Holy Roman Empire, yeah, the Visigoths invaded Rome and then Catholicism invaded the Visigoths (in the same way that a minor Jewish sect invaded Rome after Rome ruled Jerusalem; funny how it works out that way). Germans revere Tacitus because of his Germania which recorded their mythic past. They had no written history prior. They didn't really have writing as much as runes for signs.

Visigoths, Vandals, Ostrogoths, hell, even the Normans...and then the Germans again "Holy Roman Empire" guys...

For awhile there it became a thang...everybody who was anybody had to sack Rome.  

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12 hours ago, Bus Driver said:
16 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Nope, I love living in a country where a Somalia immigrant can come to America and end up in congress.  Where an ardent member of the Democratic Socialists of America can run for office and win.  It shows that everyone is represented.

It also means that I am free to oppose turning America into a communist nation.  Socialism is the word they hide behind.

 

Sounds like you find communism to be orders of magnitude worse than socialism.

Why is that?

@Saorsa - I am genuinely interested in your take on the difference between the two and why communism is so much worse.

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