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Enjoyed it a lot. Scott has talent.
 

Mighty Merloe beating MOD70s seems a testament to good setup, local knowledge, and evolution beating revolution. And perhaps the stern water ballast is a good enough solution to the reason ORMA 60s gave way to MOD70s.

it feels like a good show out of large multi racing is within reach. Especially with Starlink making it cheap. Think about embedding Scott on one!

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A good surface look at a very well put together tri. I hope they continue to get competition there. I know it's hard when your the fastest boat around and the competition is miles behind. It eventually gets a little boring but it's awesome at the same time. Go the Merlot.

I couldn't get past the Kyle Bush hat though!

Keep up the good boat reviews. I like the segment.

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by the way, money aside, which one would you choose (and why) - mighty merloe, tritium or a mod 70?

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15 minutes ago, Trovão said:

by the way, money aside, which one would you choose (and why) - mighty merloe, tritium or a mod 70?

I'd go a mod 70 due to better competition  and a little less complicated .... but truthfully i would get a multi 50 for where i live

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26 minutes ago, Trovão said:

by the way, money aside, which one would you choose (and why) - mighty merloe, tritium or a mod 70?

Yeah neither of those. But not because of money at all (although I'm poor and don't have much of that anyway)...

I would get one of the fancy ass Gunboat 60ish's or the Rapido 60. Far more comfortable, and more importantly, with far more competition as they are slower...

It's very lonely to be the fastest. It's depressing being at the rear. Somewhere in the middle is where the fun is at.

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1. MOD70 - newer, not over square like ORMAs, at least a semblance of a competitive circuit. This last part is important for attracting sponsors. Look at what Soldini managed to achieve. 

2. MM — sorted, can hang with MOD70s on elapsed.

3. Tritium. Needs a lot of work.

For the $$$ MM is a good deal.

 

These boats seem cheap for what they can do. However, they are not boats you can buy personally and race. They are platforms to put a show on, to wow the audience/sponsors/egos. And recently those shows were infrequent and not that exciting with no more than 2-3 boats competing on elapsed. SailGP or AC cost perhaps 10x-100x the budget, but have decent shows. There has to be a formula that’s more fun, less corporate, with a sense of piracy and irreverence of the kind that Scott can bring. But it hasn’t been found yet.

 

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11 minutes ago, EarthBM said:

1. MOD70 - newer, not over square like ORMAs, at least a semblance of a competitive circuit. This last part is important for attracting sponsors. Look at what Soldini managed to achieve. 

2. MM — sorted, can hang with MOD70s on elapsed.

3. Tritium. Needs a lot of work.

For the $$$ MM is a good deal.

 

These boats seem cheap for what they can do. However, they are not boats you can buy personally and race. They are platforms to put a show on, to wow the audience/sponsors/egos. And recently those shows were infrequent and not that exciting with no more than 2-3 boats competing on elapsed. SailGP or AC cost perhaps 10x-100x the budget, but have decent shows. There has to be a formula that’s more fun, less corporate, with a sense of piracy and irreverence of the kind that Scott can bring. But it hasn’t been found yet.

 

so, do you think MM at1.5M$ x Tritium ~0.4M$ is worth the difference on boat-to-boat basis?

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2 hours ago, Trovão said:

by the way, money aside, which one would you choose (and why) - mighty merloe, tritium or a mod 70?

Are you high? MOD. Tritium is on the wrong side of a 7-digit refit and was never fast. It’s a Frankenstein that never really came to life. Merloe is roughly equivalent to a MOD...but it’s not a MOD. There are 6(?) MODs out there. The boat-on-boat action is unbelievable in that fleet. I wouldn’t want an asterisk on my victory if I was on MM. You win on a MOD, you win. 

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1 hour ago, Trovão said:

so, do you think MM at1.5M$ x Tritium ~0.4M$ is worth the difference on boat-to-boat basis?

The question of “worth it” is very circumstances/mission specific. 
 

I've seen complete dogs get enough sponsorship to cover new sails and rigging in France for RdR. Hardly seems possible on the West Coast. 
 

Come up with a show that excites a sponsor, either corporate or a new billionaire overlord and then you get a framework for valuation. Absent that the “worth” is zero or negative given the docking costs.

 

I’m thinking something along the lines of “race around the world on a budget” could work. Like with a “claiming rule” that the organizers or anyone can buy any competitor boat for $1m at the finish. Or a non-stop Atlantic circuit to avoid the long legs in the middle of nowhere. UK/France - Caribbean - NY/RI - and repeat. 

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On 11/3/2020 at 7:16 PM, soma said:

Are you high? MOD. Tritium is on the wrong side of a 7-digit refit and was never fast. It’s a Frankenstein that never really came to life. Merloe is roughly equivalent to a MOD...but it’s not a MOD. There are 6(?) MODs out there. The boat-on-boat action is unbelievable in that fleet. I wouldn’t want an asterisk on my victory if I was on MM. You win on a MOD, you win. 

To clarify, I meant to sound jokey, not fighty. Tone is sometimes lost online. 
 

Great tour video. I like the fact he plays “dumb” and doesn’t try to sound overly clever. He’s been on plenty of sexy boats and knows what “foil up” means. It’s too easy and tempting to act like a know it all, but it’s more broadly entertaining when you don’t make the viewer feel like an idiot. This could/should be a great series of videos!

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24 minutes ago, soma said:

To clarify, I meant to sound jokey, not fighty. Tone is sometimes lost online. 
 

Great tour video. I like the fact he plays “dumb” and doesn’t try to sound overly clever. He’s been on plenty of sexy boats and knows what “foil up” means. It’s too easy and tempting to act like a know it all, but it’s more broadly entertaining when you don’t make the viewer feel like an idiot. This could/should be a great series of videos!

no problem, all is fine.;)

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If your thinking about these boats in terms of 'cruising' There is a scaled down version of the ORMA 60 for cruising on the market now, there are some issues... but she is a fast boat. I had an offer in on her a few years back after Dicky donated Faamu Sami to the Main Sea Scouts (2012/13), back then they were 'considering' a $100,000+ offer!  I hope I'm not too far off topic but since I've gotten this far, here is a link to the current listing; https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001/hughes-46-trimaran-3041120/ 

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10 hours ago, 2flit said:

If your thinking about these boats in terms of 'cruising' There is a scaled down version of the ORMA 60 for cruising on the market now, there are some issues... but she is a fast boat. I had an offer in on her a few years back after Dicky donated Faamu Sami to the Main Sea Scouts (2012/13), back then they were 'considering' a $100,000+ offer!  I hope I'm not too far off topic but since I've gotten this far, here is a link to the current listing; https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001/hughes-46-trimaran-3041120/ 

That looks pretty cool! What's the nature of the issues?

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35 minutes ago, gspot said:

That looks pretty cool! What's the nature of the issues?

I think it's too far off topic to put it down here... so will PM you later today (unless there is wide spread general interest in the details?

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3 hours ago, samc99us said:

I would be interested in the details. Based on the latest ad, it sounds like many have been recently fixed by Lyman-Morse.

The Yachtworld ad cites 11,000 lbs, which seems a bit heavy given that Scot said the Mighty Merloe was about 10,000 pounds for a much bigger boat with lifting foils etc.

There's also a Multi 50 on Yachtworld at 7,200 lbs as another point of comparison.

From a few Google searches it looks like Lyman-Morse did the reverse-sheer ama bows. 

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On 11/4/2020 at 12:16 AM, soma said:

Are you high? MOD. Tritium is on the wrong side of a 7-digit refit and was never fast. It’s a Frankenstein that never really came to life. Merloe is roughly equivalent to a MOD...but it’s not a MOD. There are 6(?) MODs out there. The boat-on-boat action is unbelievable in that fleet. I wouldn’t want an asterisk on my victory if I was on MM. You win on a MOD, you win. 

Regardless of your halfassed backpedaling à bit further down, there is always the choice to sell your point by focusing on its positives, rather than being negative about something you are against.  As far as I know, you have never even seen Tritium up close, have no idea of its performance against other boats like it, and no real desire to. 

Another know it all on a discussion board.

 

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