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That is the weirdest fetish I have ever heard of... But please... That is a Koster K 25, Sweden  

And of course, the Atlalanta 26 

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3 hours ago, pironiero said:

Guys, can you tell me the names or upload pics of the boats with most fattestest tumblehomes,please

For aesthetic purposes

Ranger 37?

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Ranger 28... higher ratio of tumblehome to unit length, perhaps

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The R37 is a beautiful boat. I lusted for one of those, for decades. I tried to find one of the racing pics of 'Munequita' back in the day but google is not helpful this morning

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29 minutes ago, SF Woody Sailor said:
3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

The R37 is a beautiful boat.

I never thought I would hear anyone utter this phrase.

Did you ever sail one downwind in a blow? The R37 was possibly the worst behaved IOR boat of all time.

Just because two strong people hauling on the tiller couldn't keep the old Munequita from rounding up over and over again I never found her homely -- though she was tumblehomely for sure.

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8 minutes ago, weightless said:
36 minutes ago, SF Woody Sailor said:
3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

The R37 is a beautiful boat.

I never thought I would hear anyone utter this phrase.

Did you ever sail one downwind in a blow? The R37 was possibly the worst behaved IOR boat of all time.

Just because two strong people hauling on the tiller couldn't keep the old Munequita from rounding up over and over again I never found her homely -- though she was tumblehomely for sure.

Sorry, I never sailed one, I meant "beautiful" in terms of visual aesthetic only. I have seen them sailing and they are real water-dozers, for sure

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5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Sorry, I never sailed one, I meant "beautiful" in terms of visual aesthetic only. I have seen them sailing and they are real water-dozers, for sure

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I wanted one for a long time and I still think they are beautiful, especially Yankee. I never found one nearby for sale that wasn't a huge project, otherwise I might have ended up with one. 

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7 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Sorry, I never sailed one, I meant "beautiful" in terms of visual aesthetic only. I have seen them sailing and they are real water-dozers, for sure

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Not a believer in "Form follows function" then?  

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23 minutes ago, Left Shift said:
7 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Sorry, I never sailed one, I meant "beautiful" in terms of visual aesthetic only. I have seen them sailing and they are real water-dozers, for sure

 

Not a believer in "Form follows function" then?  

Well, if the function was to win a sailboat race or three, then that work out fine

The broachiness only comes into play when you try to drive it downwind faster than the water wants to let it go. Back off the throttle, and everything is fine. I owned a '70s broach coach for a while, it was fun

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Is there a reason for tumblehome (the boat kind, not the ass kind) other than measurement rules?  Some of the IMOCA 60's and the modern style copycats seem to have tumblehome in the bow, if that is what it is still called.

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1 hour ago, bridhb said:

Is there a reason for tumblehome (the boat kind, not the ass kind) other than measurement rules?  Some of the IMOCA 60's and the modern style copycats seem to have tumblehome in the bow, if that is what it is still called.

On French warships it allowed more armor at the waterline which helped while retreating. 

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15 minutes ago, Somebody Else said:

I don't know the designer but I can guaranty it's British.

English designers produced the ugliest, most distorted boats in the thousands of years history of things that float.

FTFY

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20 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Ranger 37?

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Ranger 28... higher ratio of tumblehome to unit length, perhaps

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The R37 is a beautiful boat. I lusted for one of those, for decades. I tried to find one of the racing pics of 'Munequita' back in the day but google is not helpful this morning

FB- Doug

 

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16 hours ago, 12 metre said:

Most of Stephen Jones early Half Ton designs, circa 1972.  i.e. Demolition, Supernova, Smiffy and the aptly named Tumblehome 2 which Ish has a plan view photo above.

Below are Tumblehome 2 and Smiffy (past and present):

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oof that first one, so good

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4 hours ago, Somebody Else said:

I don't know the designer but I can guaranty it's British.

English designers of IOR boats produced the ugliest, most distorted boats in the thousands of years history of things that float.

you spell it wrong, pal, its Bri'ish

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2 hours ago, pironiero said:

holy fuck, she's beautiful, or he?

how do you 'muricans call sailboats?

No soy 'muricano.

Soy DEUTSCH

;)

a she. with very few exceptions. There is a boat called 'Peter von Seestermühe', formerly 'Peter von Danzig'. It is always referred to as 'Der Peter', so a 'he'.

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8 hours ago, SloopJonB said:
8 hours ago, Somebody Else said:

I don't know the designer but I can guaranty it's British.

English designers produced the ugliest, most distorted boats in the thousands of years history of things that float.

FTFY

Have you never heard of Brent Swain ?

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11 hours ago, bridhb said:

Is there a reason for tumblehome (the boat kind, not the ass kind) other than measurement rules?  Some of the IMOCA 60's and the modern style copycats seem to have tumblehome in the bow, if that is what it is still called.

IOR rule was a factor in it - but not that much.  Mainly just a trend IOR designers went through for a couple of years in the early 70's - because it disappeared very quickly.  You would be hard pressed to find an IOR boat with tumblehome designed after about 1974.  Tumblehome 2 was in the '78 HTC - but she was a 5-6 year old design at that point. 

Jones more recent designs at the '78 HTC- mainly the Hustler 32s were similar in overall concept but didn't have the tumblehome or the reverse bow.  There were quite a few Hustler 32s at the HTC that year with Smokey Bear finishing second behind Waverider.

I recall reading an article by one of the designers at the time saying that tumblehome was intended to reduce the heeled waterline beam and make the underwater shape less asymmetrical - reducing wave drag and weather helm (I guess it was thought to favourably shift the CLR a bit too - IDK).  Of course on the downside, it would tend to move the  CB inward as you progressively heeled- reducing the righting arm.

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On 11/28/2020 at 4:11 AM, Matagi said:

That is the weirdest fetish I have ever heard of...

But please...

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That is a Koster K 25, Sweden

 

Interesting and strikingly attractive.

Hard to tell from the photo angle, but it looks less like there is tumblehome in the hull form and more as if what would have been side decks were inflated to meet the gunnels. Must provide a big increase in volume below. 

I do wonder what it would be like to step off when coming alongside a dock. Potentially a bit slippery? 

My own Pathfinder has a bit of tumblehome.

 

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9 hours ago, 12 metre said:

IOR rule was a factor in it - but not that much.  Mainly just a trend IOR designers went through for a couple of years in the early 70's - because it disappeared very quickly.  You would be hard pressed to find an IOR boat with tumblehome designed after about 1974.  Tumblehome 2 was in the '78 HTC - but she was a 5-6 year old design at that point. 

Jones more recent designs at the '78 HTC- mainly the Hustler 32s were similar in overall concept but didn't have the tumblehome or the reverse bow.  There were quite a few Hustler 32s at the HTC that year with Smokey Bear finishing second behind Waverider.

I recall reading an article by one of the designers at the time saying that tumblehome was intended to reduce the heeled waterline beam and make the underwater shape less asymmetrical - reducing wave drag and weather helm (I guess it was thought to favourably shift the CLR a bit too - IDK).  Of course on the downside, it would tend to move the  CB inward as you progressively heeled- reducing the righting arm.

There were CCA hulls that also had tumblehome, not just IOR.   However, I would seriously doubt that the possession of a tumblehome hull form was ever responsible for a sailboat winning a race.  

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19 hours ago, Somebody Else said:

I don't know the designer but I can guaranty it's British.

English designers of IOR boats produced the ugliest, most distorted boats in the thousands of years history of things that float.

The Swedes gave it their best shot, however, with the Vasa.  Which had all the tumblehome a fetishist could ask for and floated for about a minute after it was launched.

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11 hours ago, TwoLegged said:

Have you never heard of Brent Swain ?

BS designed an IOR boat? I dont think his boats follow any box rules, nor any rules at all. 

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1 hour ago, SF Woody Sailor said:

I don’t think you know what tumblehome is. It doesn’t mean wide. 

Woody beam is defined as maximum width at deck level from stem to stern.  I believe he was asking for a broad-assed gal and this more than meets the criteria.  Don't go get all techy on me....

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Just now, JimBowie said:

Woody beam is defined as maximum width at deck level from stem to stern.  I believe he was asking for a broad-assed gal and this more than meets the criteria.  Don't go get all techy on me....

BTW staring at my profile pic can you identify which is Beavis and which is Butthead?  It's a tough one.

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5 minutes ago, JimBowie said:

So I was twice as right?  Or twice as wrong? 

Just wrong (lol).  The 1988 Cup was sailed under the Deed of Gift, which - if the contestants can't agree on another format - is a best-two-of-three series.  Only two races were needed.

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On 11/28/2020 at 1:03 PM, Slick470 said:

I wanted one for a long time and I still think they are beautiful, especially Yankee. I never found one nearby for sale that wasn't a huge project, otherwise I might have ended up with one. 

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That boat is gorgeous.  

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6 hours ago, JimBowie said:

The fattest of the fat monohull made in the modern era: I present for your viewing pleasure and whatever gets your YaYas off: KZ-1

 

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image.png.d785e6ffe4bfde05013576c849acf317.pngimage.png.ccdb051103a927c8ed45d79b38737f70.pngI think this beats it for beam as a percentage of length....

Overall length of 29 feet 10 inches (a smidgen over 9m), she is 14 feet 7 inches (4.4 m) at max beam

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10 hours ago, Baldur said:
21 hours ago, TwoLegged said:

Have you never heard of Brent Swain ?

BS designed an IOR boat? I dont think his boats follow any box rules, nor any rules at all. 

I was replying to a post in which the ref to IOR had been removed.  See below

 

On 11/29/2020 at 6:54 AM, SloopJonB said:
On 11/29/2020 at 6:39 AM, Somebody Else said:

I don't know the designer but I can guaranty it's British.

English designers produced the ugliest, most distorted boats in the thousands of years history of things that float.

FTFY

 

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8 hours ago, JimBowie said:

So I was twice as right?  Or twice as wrong?  YOU decide.

50%

Which is, coincidentally, 50/85 of 85% complete.

What makes it really spooky is that of those two numbers, both are not 42!!!

Hidden meanings or what?

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Ok, since I’ve hopefully preserved my credibility by producing the pics of Take and Gary Jobson chinning and grinning, would you believe that my mentor sailor friend who’s helped me with my sail plans on the Turbo Ensign  and Gauntlet is planning a Merlin design main for his X-21, which is as turbo’d as I though it could get?! Told me and the twin just yesterday!

Really long sentence, however, he wants a fathead but doesn’t want the full top batten to interfere with rolling the sail to the boom for storage.

Go the Merlin!!

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As usual, Wiki has a good introduction. 1906 warships:  Good sea behavior for passage making but poor stability in battle from flooding. My guess due to lack of reserve buoyancy and less righting moment with more submersion. Same problem as over driving a sailboat. 

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27 minutes ago, KC64000 said:

My favourite....

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That boat epitomized everything that was wrong with the IOR.

I mean seriously - you have to have one of the top riggers in the world onboard just to keep the rig standing?

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Ranger 37 has always been sexy to me, no matter how hard they are to sail.

One of my favorite pics, even if it doesn't show off the tumblehome that well

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