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America's love affair with the law.


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Firstly. You do all realise and acknowledge that for probably centuries, the rest of the world makes jokes about Americans and Lawyers and suing your neighbours, right?

You would have to be the worlds most litagatious society.

No, I don't know how this came about, too many carpetbagging, struck off scoundrels, immigrating from the old world to the wild west, where gold and land made for rich pickings in a fundamentally lawless place? Dunno.

Never mind.

Right now today, as a nation, do you think that your love affair with the law may be your undoing?

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By and large,  Americans' law fetish is about the only thing that will save America. 

Its what is stopping Trump from enacting his fantasies. Bleat as much as rudi/sidney like in the public arena, judges on either side require specific allegations,  evidentiary proof, and a realistic remedy. 

All they have been given so far is judicial comedy. 

 

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18 minutes ago, dfw_sailor said:

By and large,  Americans' law fetish is about the only thing that will save America. 

Its what is stopping Trump from enacting his fantasies. Bleat as much as rudi/sidney like in the public arena, judges on either side require specific allegations,  evidentiary proof, and a realistic remedy. 

All they have been given so far is judicial comedy. 

 

It also might never stop.

Seriously, how can a country work with it's public servants and poiticians tied up in these endless committees, hearings and law suits.?

This has always been Trump's game to sue and counter sue endlessly until the other party is exhausted. With other people paying his legal bills, this could never end.

Even if Biden does eventually end up behind the big desk, I can see his administration being pulled apart purely by the hours spent in NOT governing. Between the Reps having "their turn" and Trump suing everyone he can (the merits hardly seem to matter) The country can't function. Frivolous lawsuits still gum up the works, as evadent.

I mean, just in my memory, it's been going on since Clinton and seems to have just gathered steam over the last two administrations. 

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1 hour ago, tommays said:

100% correct, but guess the source of the trend?

Americans often ask why Aussies are so interested in USA politics and culture?.......Because USA trends eventually will happen here and it scares us shitless. We have enough corruption and bullshit on our own without it being transformed and manipulated into USA’s current surreal art form.

You only have to look at our own corpulent bankrupt nut job Trump copycat, Clive Palmer:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/clive-palmer

Steve Bannon and his elk have also been busy over here, and we do have at least one common propagandist: Rupert Murdoch.

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2 hours ago, tommays said:

No. Just no.

At least 173 people have been declared vexatious litigants in Australia?

Wow. 173.

I understand that some of god's chosen, (Americans) dislike foreigners commenting negatively on ANY aspect of American life. 

But the problem won't go away just because USA!USA!USA!

 

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8 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

No. Just no.

At least 173 people have been declared vexatious litigants in Australia?

Wow. 173.

I understand that some of god's chosen, (Americans) dislike foreigners commenting negatively on every aspect of American life. 

But the problem won't go away just because USA!USA!USA! 

 

FIFY. Hooooweeee Meli is triggered :lol: What will make the problem go away?

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Looks like this hit a nerve.

Sure if you don't want to discuss why Americans are in love with the Law, that's fine. It's not the topic of the OP.

(Though it's interesting, like other aspects of American culture)

The subject is, Is American government becoming unworkable simply because people can't do their jobs anymore because they spend so much time appearing before House committees and Courts? It's a Bipartisan issue.

 

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Well, Dance move is one name for it.

"Conga line of suckholes" is how one former PM described them, but we tend to keep our misbehavior/trivia on the floor of the house not drag it out endlessly in courts or committees disrupting the business of government.

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Well, you’re just better all around human beings, that’s fer shur.

Shouldnt you be over there cleaning up the Chinese mess in the China/Aussie SF killers thread?

Oh, let me guess; they were just imitating Americans?

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2 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Australians, Kiwis, Germans, Brits etc have been contributing on PA since forever, get over it or go join a NthKorean chat forum.

He could get a lot of support over at Parler.

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

Well, Dance move is one name for it.

"Conga line of suckholes" is how one former PM described them, but we tend to keep our misbehavior/trivia on the floor of the house not drag it out endlessly in courts or committees disrupting the business of government.

 

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Some people just have a way with words

- DSK

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9 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

:lol:

Some people just have a way with words

- DSK

Paul Keating was a master :D

Some of my favourites.

Paul Keating, described the former opposition leader John Hewson as a "painted, perfumed gigolo" and called Mr Howard a "mangy maggot" and "dead carcass". He also said Mr Howard was "like a shiver waiting for a spine to crawl up".

All tip and no iceberg. 

A desiccated coconut araldited (glued) to his chair (of Howard)

Like being flogged with a warm lettuce.

From Hansard no less

https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;adv=yes;orderBy=customrank;page=0;query="warm lettuce" keating Dataset:hansardr,hansardr80;rec=1;resCount=Default

 


Mr KEATING» (Treasurer)(3.18) —We have just had a motion moved by the shadow Treasurer, the honourable member for Wentworth (Dr Hewson), who could not sustain the debate. It was the limpest performance I have ever seen. Seven minutes into the speech he could not sustain it. It was like being flogged with a warm lettuce, «warm» «lettuce» . It was like being mauled by a dead sheep. He had the hide to ask us where our fiscal responsibility was.

 

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maybe:

ideology of small government —> details of how to implement the law are left to lawyers.

and this does not help:

complex adminstrative structure (fed/state/local)  eg, biggest tax code in the world —> necessitates a dedicated industry

 

 

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