LordBooster 36 Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 7 minutes ago, chuso007 said: I contacted the seller, I never heard about the designer J. Gutierrez nor the builder, Luis Morales. I can send you the ORC club certificate by PM if you want. Thanks, yes I am confused over her big displacement. Perhaps the correct one is in the certificate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 Farr 920 half-tonner undergoing restoration https://foro.latabernadelpuerto.com/showthread.php?p=2154338&fbclid=IwAR0onSKlIh7pbw-xmkngTNOhvNpbMsVutlOdSI_JcyZjCl10nbHh3MV3_rc http://rbsailing.blogspot.com/2012/09/featured-yacht-1-farr-920.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 32' Islander 32 MKII https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/75726 "Oh... I think that's the mark II then... It must have been one of the first of them. Assuming it's a mark II (a modernish looking design with a fin keel and IOR style bow) then they are nice boats with a reputation for being good sailors particularly upwind. They were never really a racing boat, but they show some IOR influence -- a little bustle, a vestigial skeg, and the IOR water plane. They're very similar in build quality to the CALs and Erikson's of the time.", see https://forums.sailboatowners.com/threads/islander-32.107820/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nick G 12 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 2/12/2021 at 1:44 AM, cje said: "Damn Near" came with lots of stuff. Gear, sails and stuff. I used everything I could to keep her original. Hung onto things to keep her history. I have the vessels owner logs of those particular years. (80-85 ish) It reads like Cook or Vancouver when they selected crew. Things like "very capable foredeck. "Has the weakness with the spirit" If anyone has a story about her I'd really like to hear it. If you are asking about Damn Near from the Bay Area, there was series of like named boats owned by Bert Damner from the San Francisco YC. There are a lot of people on this site who could help fill in the blanks. Just need more specifics on the boat in question. I.e. length, year, rig/sail plan etc. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 Yamaha 26 quarter-tonner https://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/YAMAHA-26-sloop-with-Yanmar-diesel-_34586105 https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/yamaha-26 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rain Man 956 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, LordBooster said: Yamaha 26 quarter-tonner https://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/YAMAHA-26-sloop-with-Yanmar-diesel-_34586105 https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/yamaha-26 If I ever reach the point where I am just a vagabond single-handing everywhere this is what I would get. Solid little boats. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,595 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I nearly bought one of those last time but decided it was a bit small and much too nice - I needed more of a project. I actually prefer the 25 II from a purely esthetic POV. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 Regarding the Farr 920: "It was detailed for fibreglass construction in New Zealand and Japan, and in wood in Germany.", see: http://rbsailing.blogspot.com/2012/09/featured-yacht-1-farr-920.html Farr 920, USA, sporting a cut-down Mumm 30 main Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mcpusc 8 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 7 hours ago, SloopJonB said: I nearly bought one of those last time but decided it was a bit small and much too nice - I needed more of a project. I actually prefer the 25 II from a purely esthetic POV. i've got a 25-II; whats the difference to the 26 besides the fractional rig & sugar scoop? I've never managed to actually see a 26 in person and got the impression they were just a rig change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,595 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Different boats. Both Quarter Pounders so similar but otherwise? https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/yamaha-25-2 https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/yamaha-26 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crash 620 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 26 has: Fractional rig, wider /extended transom/no skeg on the rudder/engine moved aft under companionway/2ft longer lwl/almost 600lbs heavier yet less sail area/beamier/less draft... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 https://roma.bakeca.it/dettaglio/barche-nautica/ziggurat-812-progetto-vallicelli-iish191365926 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 5,304 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 18 minutes ago, LordBooster said: https://roma.bakeca.it/dettaglio/barche-nautica/ziggurat-812-progetto-vallicelli-iish191365926 Looks very similar to the San Juan 24, a Bruce Kirby 1/4 Tonner... fuller stern, a little FB- Doug 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rain Man 956 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said: Looks very similar to the San Juan 24, a Bruce Kirby 1/4 Tonner... fuller stern, a little FB- Doug Spittin' image of a San Juan 28: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 http://www.edoardonapodano.it/?p=2631 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 VINCA designed by Giulio Cesare Carcano, where is she now? https://www.giornaledellavela.com/2018/09/29/bentornata-vanessa-carcano-bertelli-grael/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dolphinmaster 94 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/15/2021 at 1:51 AM, SloopJonB said: Different boats. Both Quarter Pounders so similar but otherwise? https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/yamaha-25-2 https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/yamaha-26 Both appear to be turdfully slower than a J24, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crash 620 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 That’s what made the J-24 so successful. It was as fast/faster than most 1/2 toners (30 ft) and could bury most 1/4 toners boat for boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
12 metre 389 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Crash said: That’s what made the J-24 so successful. It was as fast/faster than most 1/2 toners (30 ft) and could bury most 1/4 toners boat for boat. I would have hoped so - since the J/24 rated in at the Half Ton level. Which actually says that IOR worked pretty well. Putting aside the LOA argument. But if you want to go that route - a M24 will bury a J/24 several times over. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
12 metre 389 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 hours ago, LordBooster said: VINCA designed by Giulio Cesare Carcano, where is she now? https://www.giornaledellavela.com/2018/09/29/bentornata-vanessa-carcano-bertelli-grael/ This one should be in the tumblehome thread. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crash 620 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 25 minutes ago, 12 metre said: I would have hoped so - since the J/24 rated in at the Half Ton level. Which actually says that IOR worked pretty well. Putting aside the LOA argument. But if you want to go that route - a M24 will bury a J/24 several times over. Oh totally! Wasn't trying to imply the IOR rule, IOR boats in general, or quarter tonners in particular aren't great boats. I should have been more clear. In fact have owned both a J-24 and a Bene First 30E (production IOR half tonner) and loved both boats ...J-24 maybe cause I was young and mostly I got to drive . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,595 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Comparing those Yamahas and a J-24 is absurd - the only thing they have in common is they are sailboats and have a similar LOA. Might as well compare them to a Star. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crash 620 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 6 minutes ago, SloopJonB said: Comparing those Yamahas and a J-24 is absurd - the only thing they have in common is they are sailboats and have a similar LOA. Might as well compare them to a Star. Its not apples to oranges, I'll grant you that. But it does explain why, during the late 70s, that the J-24 became so popular so quickly. Not to mention, at least here in the states, there wasn't as much 1/4 tonner or 1/2 tonner racing as there was internationally... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
12 metre 389 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 52 minutes ago, Crash said: Its not apples to oranges, I'll grant you that. But it does explain why, during the late 70s, that the J-24 became so popular so quickly. Not to mention, at least here in the states, there wasn't as much 1/4 tonner or 1/2 tonner racing as there was internationally... Yes, agree with that 100% Small boat IOR never really made much inroads in NA - other than a few events like the '76 QT Worlds and perhaps the '78 3/4T Worlds in Victoria. That is if you consider 3/4T to be small boat. Probably had a lot to do with the budgets and measurement costs of small boat programs on a local level. But in Europe small boat IOR was pretty big as you mention. But 1T and up - it was the place to be in NA at the time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-france.fr/skipper/eric-tabarly/en-images-on-a-retrouve-le-maxi-la-poste-qu-eric-tabarly-avait-mene-dans-la-course-autour-du-monde-bb580dbe-2a4a-11eb-91b1-ea1bf412fc81?fbclid=IwAR3ZRpWgo2TMIXREBSZ3DkSYqMoxpfUWq0wXGR4Z7EWeXcQiGP8GMDY0LBE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 Earlier than IOR, but still: Charcon 36 designed by Bramstoft& Wasserman, and inspired by the Swan 37 http://maxusdanmark.dk/baad/bade-til-salg/charcon-36/ This fantastic unique Chacon 36 of the rareGoogle translate: "sold to the customer. Made in Denmark. NOTE EXTRA REDUCED. Due to a fault in the engine cooling, the price has been greatly reduced and here is the opportunity to acquire a really cheap 36 foot boat, which can be expected to be repaired on the engine. The engine sounds and runs as usual, but the owner does not want to invest more in the boat and therefore sells it at a spot price. We previously had this boat for sale and sold it to a family in Ishøj. They have spent the spring beautifying the boat and some technical challenges with decks, as well as sailing in it over the summer. But the family has, despite great joy over the boat, decided on a holiday home and therefore chooses to put this beautiful ship up for sale again. The boat still needs the last or if you want the big trip. The gain is entirely on the side of the new owner. No matter what you do with this boat, it will always be unique. Its sailing characteristics are an exquisite pleasure, even in high seas. Incredibly strong at sea and is a solid giant who keeps the course. It was designed by Bramstoft and Wasserman and built by Ole Bøtker on Krimsvej on Amager. Is very inspired by Swan 37 from the same vintage. Original drawings from the drawing room included. Built solid in fiberglass with strong reinforcements, and strong rich for earth navigation. In fact, we do not know if it was around the world. It must be a guess. If you are interested in a large boat with options, at a really good price, please contact us for a demonstration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 The restoration of Trastada an Andrieu half-tonner https://www.clydeboatsales.co.uk/refit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 Half-tonners: https://www.guloggratis.dk/sport/baade/sejlbaad/annonce/50156761-vinter-pris-elvstroem-32?fbclid=IwAR2tQi0kvJP8lLhh8mvz8yja9bYZ7MmgrVkCqAO0DSaHAeJ2UmB7575t10c https://www.guloggratis.dk/sport/baade/sejlbaad/annonce/49713826-carter-30-sejlbaad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sledracr 660 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/16/2021 at 9:13 AM, Crash said: But it does explain why, during the late 70s, that the J-24 became so popular so quickly. Yeah. The best thing about IOR was that it let the owners (and designers and builders) play with things. you could have a 27-foot half-tonner or a 30-foot half-tonner, as long as they rated in they raced "level" and it was an interesting experiment. it led to explorations of obscure corners of performance vs. rating, which led to boats that were awkward to sail well, uncomfortable and ... whatever. On any given day, any given design could be inherently better than another, which led to lots of "if only" discussions at the bar. The worst thing about IOR was that it let the owners (and designers and builders) play with things. you could have a 27-foot half-tonner or a 30-foot half-tonner, as long as they rated in they raced "level" and it was an interesting experiment. it led to explorations of obscure corners of performance vs. rating, which led to boats that were awkward to sail well, uncomfortable and ... whatever. On any given day, any given design could be inherently better than another, which led to lots of "if only" discussions at the bar. One design was a lot more attractive if all you wanted to do was sail and see how you did. All the variables were removed except "you". Bonus points if you could sail the boat without sitting on weird-shaped coach-roofs and contorted into rule-bending trimmer pits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
12 metre 389 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 18 minutes ago, sledracr said: Yeah. The best thing about IOR was that it let the owners (and designers and builders) play with things. you could have a 27-foot half-tonner or a 30-foot half-tonner, as long as they rated in they raced "level" and it was an interesting experiment. it led to explorations of obscure corners of performance vs. rating, which led to boats that were awkward to sail well, uncomfortable and ... whatever. On any given day, any given design could be inherently better than another, which led to lots of "if only" discussions at the bar. The worst thing about IOR was that it let the owners (and designers and builders) play with things. you could have a 27-foot half-tonner or a 30-foot half-tonner, as long as they rated in they raced "level" and it was an interesting experiment. it led to explorations of obscure corners of performance vs. rating, which led to boats that were awkward to sail well, uncomfortable and ... whatever. On any given day, any given design could be inherently better than another, which led to lots of "if only" discussions at the bar. One design was a lot more attractive if all you wanted to do was sail and see how you did. All the variables were removed except "you". Bonus points if you could sail the boat without sitting on weird-shaped coach-roofs and contorted into rule-bending trimmer pits. Or...a 34 ft Half Ton (Tumblehome 2) http://www.histoiredeshalfs.com/E82 Tumb.htm Okay, there was also Cascade but she was a One Trick Pony and not a true Half Ton. That is, she did well in point to point racing like SORC due to her size, but she would have gotten smoked in anything resembling RTC. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxx Baqustae 249 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, sledracr said: Yeah. The best thing about IOR was that it let the owners (and designers and builders) play with things. you could have a 27-foot half-tonner or a 30-foot half-tonner, as long as they rated in they raced "level" and it was an interesting experiment. it led to explorations of obscure corners of performance vs. rating, which led to boats that were awkward to sail well, uncomfortable and ... whatever. On any given day, any given design could be inherently better than another, which led to lots of "if only" discussions at the bar. The worst thing about IOR was that it let the owners (and designers and builders) play with things. you could have a 27-foot half-tonner or a 30-foot half-tonner, as long as they rated in they raced "level" and it was an interesting experiment. it led to explorations of obscure corners of performance vs. rating, which led to boats that were awkward to sail well, uncomfortable and ... whatever. On any given day, any given design could be inherently better than another, which led to lots of "if only" discussions at the bar. One design was a lot more attractive if all you wanted to do was sail and see how you did. All the variables were removed except "you". Bonus points if you could sail the boat without sitting on weird-shaped coach-roofs and contorted into rule-bending trimmer pits. That's pretty much correct except the yacht designers (and to some degree the owners) were smarter than rules people. A designer made a living out of making it into a better mousetrap. Some rules makers were volunteers too. It seems to me that there was a lot of bandage solutions at that time. With our custom one-off build they seemed to change the rules day by day. We were going to put a carbon layer on our mast (yes, it probably wouldn't have worked well anyway - but?) and it was not allowed at the end of the day and we had to plug weld the spar to make it work. It didn't work well at all. There were daggerboard/centerboard boats etc that took advantage of the rule. Same thing with internal lead in the bilges etc to make it rate with less drag in the keel. It went on and on as how to trick the rule. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 Martin Bjørn Christensen: "Where are the IOR boats from the 80s?" https://motorbaadsnyt.dk/nyhed/archive/2017/14/march/article/hvor-er-ior-baadene-fra-80erne/ Google translate: “Where are the IOR boats from the 80s? Banner 34 sailor Martin Bjørn Christensen from Jyllinge is ready for the Palby Fyn Cup: - But where are all the beautiful, spacious and still relatively fast IOR boats on the racing tracks? By Troels Lykke | 14-03-2017 16:20 I am a happy owner of a Banner 34 (DEN 39, Dagmar), which I have had for almost 6 years, says the active Martin Bjørn Christensen in a call to minbaad.dk readers. He continues: I chose to buy a Banner 34, as I think it has some incredibly beautiful lines that end with a really nice and naughty hedge, which releases the water nicely. The boat type also has a characteristic buckling bow, which is the finishing touch. The boat is located in Jyllinge Marina, from where we participate in the Tuesday evening races and in as many races as possible to reach in the Isefjord district. Active in several races It will be Sjælland Rundt on the Inner Side SRPI - super fun and cozy sailing, Sydfjords event (Herslev), Jyllinge Open, Hesselø Rundt (Hundested) and Afrigger event (Roskilde). And then we go to the Palby Fyn Cup, where we are already registered for May. This will be our 5th time. Think it's fun to participate in a sailing with 300 starters. Is lucky now to have a super (stable) guest team. We are now 4 permanent on board. Have of course had the challenge of finding a crew who think that the skipper's whims are 'fun'. It is not an easy exercise to get a guest team stacked on its legs. The guests at Dagmar occasionally take a guest association meeting if the skipper gets too crazy, which the skipper of course gets minutes from (by participating himself). Boat type based on IOR hull The boat type Banner 34 is based on an IOR hull from the early / mid 80s. It was a time when a lot was happening in Danish sailing. Sjælland Rundt topped with approx. 2000 participants and Fyn Rundt with over 1000 participants - the activity in the width was generally high on the racing front in Denmark. Even for the evening sailings, there were 2-3 times as many on the water compared to what many clubs can muster today (there are enough exceptions). Back then, many of the very fast IOR inspired boats were sold, like the X-102, Dehler 34 and my own Banner 34, all ¾-ton inspired. In addition, there were also a lot of ½-tonners, among others. X-95. Where are all the beautiful, spacious and still relatively fast boats on the Danish racing tracks? It would be fun if there would be enough of the mentioned boat types that could be brought together for racing communities where experience and molepral would be a natural part of the community. The boats are not brand new anymore, so exchange of how the boats are best kept healthy, updated gear and experiences from the tracks and on the trips around the summer harbors. Distance races such as the Palby Fyn Cup (and classic) where it is possible to gather more, always get a racer forward in me. One or more larger fields of the same boat category (the IOR) will have the opportunity to test the speed against similar boats must then be possible. So, that's a call; find your Banner 34, X-102, Dehler 34/343 and the like, and let's meet in Bogense. I am glad that 3 x Banner 34s have already been announced to start in the Palby Fyn Cup 2017, and we are right now one of the biggest fields. Has started facebook page Has started a facebook page for Banner 34s so we who like the Banner 34 can virtually keep each other updated. The site is open to more people. I am fully aware that there are faster boats of the same size and that the DH measurement rules do not help the overall result either, but do not think it does that much when there are several relatively comparable boats combined. ‘As you know, straight children play best’. But having said that, they are still fun and stable boats, of which there are some in the Danish marinas. Where are you? Martin Bjørn Christensen Jyllinge” Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 Two-tonner designed by Judel/Vrolijk https://www.autoyas.com/XX/Unknown/111986783621391/Billige-både-til-salg-i-norden.dk?fbclid=IwAR3eEPFpUh-kOWhtYw0yWU_7e0IkmXqGtl4qg773DGhfeGY0sFglGgub8G0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 Judel&Vrolijk two-tonner built -89 in Italy. No name mentioned in the ad. Which can it be? https://rbsailing.blogspot.com/2014/02/rubin-xi-judelvrolijk-two-tonner.html?fbclid=IwAR3Kx3GCIg88zqJMDHFagOeGqAADDkFbRrcxtIclBopoJ_aNXU8ristirzk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mcpusc 8 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/15/2021 at 12:43 AM, Crash said: 26 has: Fractional rig, wider /extended transom/no skeg on the rudder/engine moved aft under companionway/2ft longer lwl/almost 600lbs heavier yet less sail area/beamier/less draft... thanks! the one brochure on the 26 i've seen made it look like an interior refresh. i'll have to track one down someday and have a look for myself. On 2/16/2021 at 5:18 AM, dolphinmaster said: Both appear to be turdfully slower than a J24, like the other folks said, apples to oranges. the yamaha has an inboard, decent storage, a galley, 4 adult-size berths, and a spot for a real head.... and it points pretty well for a 4ksb. all in all the yammie is a great pocket cruiser, perfect for a couple on an extended cruise. the j/24 isn't really suited for that, even if its possible. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kinardly 201 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 The original Y 25 was a nice little boat, though it needed some breeze and wasn't competitive as a quarter toner in San Diego. I'm sure the inboard Yanmar diesel up in the bow was part of it. I didn't know about the 25II and the 26. I presume they came with a little more sail power? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
12 metre 389 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 20 minutes ago, kinardly said: The original Y 25 was a nice little boat, though it needed some breeze and wasn't competitive as a quarter toner in San Diego. I'm sure the inboard Yanmar diesel up in the bow was part of it. I didn't know about the 25II and the 26. I presume they came with a little more sail power? If Sailboatdata is to be believed, the Y26 was heavier with a lot less horsepower than the 25-2. Disp Y26 = 4343 while Y25-2 is 3745. SA/D Y26 = 17.54 on a Frac rig while SA/D Y25-2 = 19.8, which is decent for a MH rig. For comparison, a SJ 24 has a SA/D of 18.17. So the Y25-2 has much better numbers for light air sailing than the Y26. Keep in mind not all boats are designed with Dago or PNW conditions in mind. So I think that Magician V kind of lucked out at the '78 QT World in Japan - or they correctly anticipated a heavy air series. The 3rd place Whiting designed Seaflyer (Seaply) was designed for lighter air and likely would have walked away with the championship had the winds been as they predicted. As it was, 4 of the 5 races were in heavy air: http://rbsailing.blogspot.com/2015/09/quarter-ton-cup-1978.html 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 Restoration of a one-tonner Griffin (orignally Sidewinder designed by Welbourne), work by Martin Kamperhaug https://www.seilmagasinet.no/trege-regattabter/288383?fbclid=IwAR0RiEn2H8izWhoG9xAgQ6_N8DONbSIsQdRAjsHm1wGY__qCFcglDFnI8To Translate of link above: "Martin Kamperhaug has increased the size of the one-ton "Griffin" which he has refurbished. Slow regatta boats Fast sailboats are slow in the used market. Martin Kamperhaug wonders if the interest in regatta boats has disappeared completely. Martin Kamperhaug loves fast regatta boats. He has owned both Mini-tonners and several half-tonners. Now he has refurbished an old One-ton and wanted to get rid of his Banner half-ton which he has been sailing actively with for the last two years. He has a good second place overall in the Union Race both in 2009 and this year. - My boat is very expensive (especially the sailing wardrobe) and was first announced for 215,000 kroner, which seemed reasonable considering all the luxury. The response has been poor and the price has now been dumped at NOK 149,000. This should be a bargain for a gang that wants to try their hand at a regatta with a potent boat for cheap money, Kamperhaug tells Seilas. Next summer, Martin Kamperhaug will perform with his newly restored entones. It was in this class of boat that the King took World Cup gold in 1987 with "Fram X". - I bought the boat early this summer, took it ashore immediately and started working on it. The boat had fallen into disrepair in recent years. The boat has received a total makeover above and below the waterline. Some reinforcements and repair cones have also been made. The rig has also been transferred and a completely new racing wardrobe has been purchased from Elvstrøm. This winter it will also shine more inside and be built partly new furnishings + further reinforcements of, among other things, mast foundation The boat is from 1984 and is narrower in the stern than eg «Fram X» and other newer 1 toners, so it will probably struggle with to hang out with them, says Martin Kamperhaug. In the next Seilas, which is now at the printing house, we will take the pulse of the used boat market." more info: http://www.mkbaat.no/restaurering/?fbclid=IwAR2iUvl40gr1iu_dO2ybHLiVwtoQzs3x0OTQh3vXf5FWThBOSsi2YHtsvQM http://www.histoiredeshalfs.com/One Tonner/Sidewinder.htm?fbclid=IwAR1ZZh0VfGE8AjNFQnWb2SQfbgu5ygZXkHW2Ywcwm8YFtasvjFb62XiVN_k Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,595 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 24 minutes ago, 12 metre said: If Sailboatdata is to be believed, the Y26 was heavier with a lot less horsepower than the 25-2. Disp Y26 = 4343 while Y25-2 is 3745. SA/D Y26 = 17.54 on a Frac rig while SA/D Y25-2 = 19.8, which is decent for a MH rig. For comparison, a SJ 24 has a SA/D of 18.17. So the Y25-2 has much better numbers for light air sailing than the Y26. Keep in mind not all boats are designed with Dago or PNW conditions in mind. So I think that Magician V kind of lucked out at the '78 QT World in Japan - or they correctly anticipated a heavy air series. The 3rd place Whiting designed Seaflyer (Seaply) was designed for lighter air and likely would have walked away with the championship had the winds been as they predicted. As it was, 4 of the 5 races were in heavy air: http://rbsailing.blogspot.com/2015/09/quarter-ton-cup-1978.html The 26 has almost 2' more W/L - that's 10% on those boats so another point for windy conditions. By the way, that 19.8 SA/D was huge for those days - my custom Kirby Q/T was only 17 - and that with a taller than original rig. And it was a light air bandit - nothing could touch it under 8 knots of breeze. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 Renovation of a Brasilia 23 minitonner designed by Saeger https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=JwpTUEUhzaM 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 unknown design free https://www.hajobazar.hu/2017/01/vitorlas-6/?fbclid=IwAR1GlFxDwn2hGKZdaSEKq2-fqLQ2t7gmXKEz7Uerl_OCuhci1JZhbb8rfqg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 1,170 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 On 2/8/2021 at 3:36 PM, SloopJonB said: On 2/8/2021 at 12:54 PM, ROADKILL666 said: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1984/j-boats-41-3641314/ One of my favorite boats IMO the J-41 is one of the very best looking of the 30.5 One Tonners. It is indeed. But it was also a bit of a betrayal. Rod Johnstone had repeatedly crapped on IOR and IOR boats, with a lot of valid critiques of the rule and its boats. Then he upped and designed his own IOR boat. IIRC, it was quite successful 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 https://www.yacht.de/yachten_jollen/von-edler-schaerfe/a115184.html?fbclid=IwAR3kjGxtX3xKsE-akHM4U06GPEOxFzYkiCt1aGBleVThXzxK8bTWX3bcoy4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/d/anaheim-1978-ron-holland-46-sail-boat/7278574053.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 1,170 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 26 minutes ago, LordBooster said: https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/d/anaheim-1978-ron-holland-46-sail-boat/7278574053.html The ad says: "condition: excellent". Unfortunately for the seller, the ad also includes photos. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, TwoLegged said: Unfortunately for the seller, the ad also includes photos. Maybe, but on the whole there's a lot of yacht for the money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 1,170 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 8 minutes ago, LordBooster said: 2 hours ago, TwoLegged said: Unfortunately for the seller, the ad also includes photos. Maybe, but on the whole there's a lot of yacht for the money. A lot of yacht = a lot of opportunities for expensive maintenance/refit, which has not been done Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moody frog 81 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 7 hours ago, LordBooster said: https://www.yacht.de/yachten_jollen/von-edler-schaerfe/a115184.html?fbclid=IwAR3kjGxtX3xKsE-akHM4U06GPEOxFzYkiCt1aGBleVThXzxK8bTWX3bcoy4 Tabasco V !! a Joubert-Nivelt "close follow-up" on their 79 admiralers "Dugenou" and "Accanito", and the way to things to come with their succesful"Diva" series. Has the added advantage to hv been built by this supreme Swiss yard "Egger" . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Sox 771 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 4 hours ago, LordBooster said: https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/d/anaheim-1978-ron-holland-46-sail-boat/7278574053.html “This boat has placed 10 in the 1978 Fastnet race.” There was a Fastnet in ‘78? Who knew... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 https://www.racing-yachts.com/frers-46-490.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 Renovation of a Gib Sea 80+ designed by Jean Berret https://gibsea-80-plus.blogspot.com/2014/04/transformation-dun-gibsea-plus-de-1979.html?fbclid=IwAR1XsLoP5lQbPXmXCMrqEmP5HzjH2-pgTpJByGmBclAD6DClBeafn0sUSiM https://www.boat-specs.com/sailing/sailboats/gibert-marine/gib-sea-80-plus-fin-keel?fbclid=IwAR0kGTOuZHfhUTCamjhl4qidYY5nHAjWO53Zh4DnJ8sdyBsoOhszHfKQ4sc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 RAT RACE VERY RARE PETERSON 25 1/4 TONNER !!! ONE OF THE LAST OF THE ORIGINAL DAGGERBOARD 1/4 TONNERS https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/55781?fbclid=IwAR3ORAMYsfRMFGXSx5Z1RDj_Omt3dO6Trk-NLpRC09nyS5e9584JDR4KPPQ http://www.histoiredeshalfs.com/Quarter Tonner/Q Peterson Rat.htm?fbclid=IwAR0Rsql5x91ta2Gm5JZ2umIA2FvD3A80EYIKarhlOy7KtbDLSrqA-NoKvQM 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longy 540 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Did a few races on that boat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 752 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 She's a beauty. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longy 540 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Originally "Margaret Rintoul" out of Oz. Frers 51 Very successful boat 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cal20sailor 2,445 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Large Marge? Was in Detroit for at least the last 20yrs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 118 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 8 hours ago, Cal20sailor said: Large Marge? Was in Detroit for at least the last 20yrs. That one was MR IV, this one is MR III. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cal20sailor 2,445 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 40 minutes ago, JoeO said: That one was MR IV, this one is MR III. Did the 50's ever make sense to you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sledracr 660 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Still looking pretty good (Deer Harbor, Orcas Island, WA) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 Traffic Jam WHITING 32 from 1985 https://www.boattrader.com.au/boats-for-sale/1985-whiting-32/BTW3649505?fbclid=IwAR38oaypBvXiUdGv6wn4LJ-jYV2S8ocMLh4XDEahlduwZ7fAfxj8PPfeA5g Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 Reactor half-tonner designed by Paul Whiting https://www.westhavenmarinebrokers.co.nz/boat-info.php?id=219&fbclid=IwAR1NiylNSOtH4kdJYjN47_rjyRvr3a0mT-2QCi_yNGp6YWlHi64v9XoeJqM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 Yellow Bird 32' designed by Gary Mull https://www.popyachts.com/sloop-sailboats-for-sale/ranger-yachts-32-masthead-sloop-in-vermilion-ohio-105268?fbclid=IwAR1UeodIRWSf-E2JWMI8cTX7Mj1iXbt2PmN3ZANVjYyVDHX7-B2jDQH1pjg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/75153887504669655/ Cannot see if this ad of a Lager 40 One-Ton still is available on ebay Canada. https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/lager-40 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pironiero 17 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 12/15/2020 at 11:52 AM, LordBooster said: this is why i dislike people so much Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,595 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Well named boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 Sail regatta with a friendly and knowledgeable owner on an refurbished half-tonner http://www.laregatedesiut.com/index.php/bateaux/229-first-30-e-coq-de-noa?fbclid=IwAR2PdbnHPLyu0ayJiCsw18qpbz3yP43PoNwtG-BwZILmmJRFfPrrs6XyZvc Really nice renovation. And now he gets no crew! http://www.histoiredeshalfs.com/B8.htm?fbclid=IwAR1eQr7LZDmR_WbSc_AKNJesG_Io5gWKio3UFqsluTxC1iuVdvhhG4BYji8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cms 566 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 That is ex Melancolie 4, beautifully restored by my next door neighbour Yann Servignat. Currently sitting on her mooring about 400m from where I am sitting. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MauiPunter 752 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 https://www.waypoint-yachtbrokers.co.uk/boat_for_sale/1935184/ A steal at 25k 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 5,304 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 11 hours ago, MauiPunter said: https://www.waypoint-yachtbrokers.co.uk/boat_for_sale/1935184/ A steal at 25k I'm not too familiar with the Level-50s but that's a beauty Ad says standing and running rigging renewed in 2016 so maybe it's not a total money pit... maybe... FB- Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vtloon 2 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 12 hours ago, MauiPunter said: https://www.waypoint-yachtbrokers.co.uk/boat_for_sale/1935184/ A steal at 25k That is 25K Pounds by the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tizak 44 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 2/14/2021 at 12:38 PM, Nick G said: If you are asking about Damn Near from the Bay Area, there was series of like named boats owned by Bert Damner from the San Francisco YC. There are a lot of people on this site who could help fill in the blanks. Just need more specifics on the boat in question. I.e. length, year, rig/sail plan etc. As a kid in the Bay Area I did bow and other tasks on an IOC (IC) named Quickstep (#33 I think). We raced against Bert on his which was, of course, named... Damn Near. It was a very competitive fleet of probably 15 boats or thereabouts and he was always near the front. The master at the time was IC Hall of Fame inductee Jake Wosser - legendary sailer. We always tried to follow where "the Snake" was leading. Recall going downwind off the Marina Green one fine day beside Bert when our mainsheet was pulled completely out and piled up in the cockpit. Gave us a couple shaky moments as our skipper was distracted and steering erratically close to Damn Near - a bit of polite yelling ensued. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,595 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 3 hours ago, vtloon said: That is 25K Pounds by the way. $35K USD - a new carbon main sail will cost more than that. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 Chewbacca (formerly Abracadabra) is a Nelson Marek designed International 50 custom built by Kiwi Yachts https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1987/nelson-marek-50-3581517/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longy 540 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Great boat - IN HER TIME. What the hell can you do with it now?? Every picture has 4 digit repair/upgrade things. And who's got a 20 person competent crew list ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sailman 191 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 12 hours ago, LordBooster said: Chewbacca (formerly Abracadabra) is a Nelson Marek designed International 50 custom built by Kiwi Yachts https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1987/nelson-marek-50-3581517/ A lot of scrap value there! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 118 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 14 hours ago, longy said: And who's got a 20 person competent crew list ?? 24... orig aluminum spin pole! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 Michael Henderson Half Tonner Electric Yacht Project Offshore 28 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Michael-Henderson-Half-Tonner-Electric-Yacht-Project-Offshore-28/224395002550?hash=item343efc02b6%3Ag%3ApaoAAOSwduZgV4oZ&fbclid=IwAR0e7aoIbTOiCGiD21d1nD9L4mARaopVGu-ziLSb_d2g9k-jpZPi9KLNd7g Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 Sailing yacht LS-35 in Vladivostok https://water.drom.ru/vladivostok/sail/jahta-parusnaja-ls-35-90711902.html?fbclid=IwAR1C6qXQ4nMtO-4zdC6m6oLOfJubDMztTVdxlpfJ7QTwTxZHB7RbYL-yQNw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 Mistral 31 Rob Humphreys - 1/2 tonner https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yacht-boat-cruiser-racer-Mistral-31/284211205192?hash=item422c4ed448%3Ag%3AzjkAAOSw5WpgF9qW&fbclid=IwAR0sR-8MpgJ4-7Upqe7Ybw7vx3u9qzmLE5Uol_55ZDrdpAPRViyGkkNpNAc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 Zett half-tonner designed by Peter Norlin https://www.inautia.com/used-boat-27168030211157575098514849564556.html?fbclid=IwAR0YeUImMXr2zYhw_mfKF6274jstYYEMS3AMBTCNWIf1lPVdtYxw-v32uT8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 Margo 33 Sloop, wood Project: ST 31 http://www.amariner.net/yacht_margo_33.htm?fbclid=IwAR1Fp6W8I74l9BzxwoCPAS0PdpikC278xzAkp610EjsXThFobFHsEnipl0c Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 Nelson/Marek 36 "Tinder Box" https://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1983-nelson-marek-36-4910328/?fbclid=IwAR3KPomqfzWSa1h2DioikRWl_pErAOkx69IrHkyxxMQ_52O5HZShzWhwZq0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 Alu yacht Doug Peterson 3/4 tonner from 1974 https://www.inautia.com/used-boat-37049030211751705565666750664569.html?fbclid=IwAR2j78t3lQM4shlytsUYhzjMS4x0QdgjltlWJdXVGoGMtgB1I54f5rFMBno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordBooster 36 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 NELSON/MAREK 44 (1981) https://yachtbrokercaribbean.com/sail-yachts-caribbean/nelson-marek-44/7471843 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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