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25 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

If Ineos does beat LR on currently-scheduled Saturday, does anything prevent LR from pursuing their own schedule starting right after that race, including skipping Sunday’s currently-scheduled race? 

I would image if you delve deep into the protocol there will be something about competing being compulsory (assuming you can)

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So if INEOS wins Saturday they wait in the wings for the Prada vs AM battle, assuming they can put Humpty Dumpty together again

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Sailor99, Max and others discussing the sequence of the capsize, lets move over to the AM thread and leave this one for the discussion of the current issues with the Prada Cup.

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12 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said:

If LR wins both races, then what

Then LR gets the bye to the Prada Cup Finals. 

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The damage to AM has left the Prada Cup a shimozzle.  It has also potentially weakened the challengers improvements as 3 different design thoughts are now reduced to 2 until AM gets racing again and presumably as she was before the incident. The pressure on Ineos and Luna Rossa has somewhat been reduced. One can only imagine what would be left if either Ineos or Luna Rossa suffered the same sort of capsize? I know there has been a lot of focus on what caused or who was responsible for the AM capsize but history shows that it can happen at anytime because these boats are so extreme especially when the wind is up. I tend to think the incident was more a case of bad luck unless someone at AM puts their hand up and takes responsibility but nobody at this point is agreeing on the cause so I doubt that will ever happen? Fortunately nobody was seriously injured. 

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 i thought it was great sportsmanship from ALL teams and the local authorities to aid them after they capsized, well done by everybody and very cool.

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The biggest thing the AMWAY Disaster has done is strengthen the Defender's hand.... slashed the race hardening the challenger will get by a not insignificant number. The two remaining as of now would be crazy to cancel the Sunday race.

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7 hours ago, Lickindip said:

supplied 1 design items so doubt they would be allowed to do that.

could they have the lightest foils? i.e on the min weight requirement where the others are at max weight?

If you're referring to the rumoured LR fast-action arms, I simply pointed out how they could have achieved the fast response. If they can modify the supplied FCS after approval, I imagine they can modify the hydraulic rams under similar approval - with a signed disclaimer under safety concerns, I'd guess!!

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2 hours ago, bigrpowr said:

 i thought it was great sportsmanship from ALL teams and the local authorities to aid them after they capsized, well done by everybody and very cool.

We didn't do anything that the locals and fellow competitors anywhere in the USA, UK, Italy or anywhere else in the world would not have done.

But it's nice to be reminded every now and then about the endearing humanity which comes to the fore in crises..

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46 minutes ago, Indio said:

If you're referring to the rumoured LR fast-action arms, I simply pointed out how they could have achieved the fast response. If they can modify the supplied FCS after approval, I imagine they can modify the hydraulic rams under similar approval - with a signed disclaimer under safety concerns, I'd guess!!

I'm pretty sure one design refers to all of them being the same

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1 minute ago, Lickindip said:

I'm pretty sure one design refers to all of them being the same

The 1-design FCS can be modified under approval. The Class Rules are your friend...

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7 minutes ago, Indio said:

We didn't do anything that the locals and fellow competitors anywhere in the USA, UK, Italy or anywhere else in the world would not have done.

But it's nice to be reminded every now and then about the endearing humanity which comes to the fore in crises..

Kiwis were offered little help except for the poms in the last cycle I recall 

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Just now, Zeusproject said:

Kiwis were offered little help except for the poms in the last cycle I recall 

I knew someone was going to throw up Bermuda :P, but they were a third-party host. The real ones in charge were OR-Xerox and they had their own reasons for the way they acted in response to ETNZ's flip. They may have offered help - or not.

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2 hours ago, terrafirma said:

The damage to AM has left the Prada Cup a shimozzle.  It has also potentially weakened the challengers improvements as 3 different design thoughts are now reduced to 2 until AM gets racing again and presumably as she was before the incident. The pressure on Ineos and Luna Rossa has somewhat been reduced. One can only imagine what would be left if either Ineos or Luna Rossa suffered the same sort of capsize? I know there has been a lot of focus on what caused or who was responsible for the AM capsize but history shows that it can happen at anytime because these boats are so extreme especially when the wind is up. I tend to think the incident was more a case of bad luck unless someone at AM puts their hand up and takes responsibility but nobody at this point is agreeing on the cause so I doubt that will ever happen? Fortunately nobody was seriously injured. 

True but it does give Ineos in particular the ability to test any remaining upgrades in a race environment with minimal risk to their long term campaign.

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27 minutes ago, Indio said:

I knew someone was going to throw up Bermuda :P, but they were a third-party host. The real ones in charge were OR-Xerox and they had their own reasons for the way they acted in response to ETNZ's flip. They may have offered help - or not.

They were total cunts full stop.   Karma shows up most of the time though .  
Oracles attemp at high jacking the cup was pulled apart by a team they tried everything to hobble . Long live ETNZ  .      Complete non kiwi I may add 

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1 hour ago, Indio said:

I knew someone was going to throw up Bermuda :P, but they were a third-party host. The real ones in charge were OR-Xerox and they had their own reasons for the way they acted in response to ETNZ's flip. They may have offered help - or not.

From memory there was also Luna Rosa, Artemis, SoftBank Japan, and Groupama France. I can't recall if any aside from BAR offered support, but I seem to remember that ETNZ were kind of on the outer with all teams and regarded as kind of a Lone Wolf, renegade, as they were the only team not supporting Larry's grand scheme to control the Cup, turn it into a Northern Hemisphere based Grand Prix, and roast pesky little bug NZ out of the process once and for all...

All other teams saw they would be on a perpetual professional racing circuit via the new improved Cup and wouldn't have such a long time between meals.

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2 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

From memory there was also Luna Rosa, Artemis, SoftBank Japan, and Groupama France. I can't recall if any aside from BAR offered support, but I seem to remember that ETNZ were kind of on the outer with all teams and regarded as kind of a Lone Wolf, renegade, as they were the only team not supporting Larry's grand scheme to control the Cup, turn it into a Northern Hemisphere based Grand Prix, and roast pesky little bug NZ out of the process once and for all...

All other teams saw they would be on a perpetual professional racing circuit via the new improved Cup and wouldn't have such a long time between meals.

Not Luna Rossa

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5 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

From memory there was also Luna Rosa, Artemis, SoftBank Japan, and Groupama France. I can't recall if any aside from BAR offered support, but I seem to remember that ETNZ were kind of on the outer with all teams and regarded as kind of a Lone Wolf, renegade, as they were the only team not supporting Larry's grand scheme to control the Cup, turn it into a Northern Hemisphere based Grand Prix, and roast pesky little bug NZ out of the process once and for all...

All other teams saw they would be on a perpetual professional racing circuit via the new improved Cup and wouldn't have such a long time between meals.

Probably instigated by Wussel...

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10 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

From memory there was also Luna Rosa, Artemis, SoftBank Japan, and Groupama France. I can't recall if any aside from BAR offered support, but I seem to remember that ETNZ were kind of on the outer with all teams and regarded as kind of a Lone Wolf, renegade, as they were the only team not supporting Larry's grand scheme to control the Cup, turn it into a Northern Hemisphere based Grand Prix, and roast pesky little bug NZ out of the process once and for all...

All other teams saw they would be on a perpetual professional racing circuit via the new improved Cup and wouldn't have such a long time between meals.

Actually LR was a pretty big part of the ETNZ campaign (like, Max Sirena was a manager of NZ in Bermuda, just in case you forgot) and they put quite a lot of money  (and skills, and ideas, and designs) into that boat just in order to get rid of the Ellison/Coutts "vision" of the Cup.
Man, how short is the memory...

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12 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

From memory there was also Luna Rosa, Artemis, SoftBank Japan, and Groupama France. I can't recall if any aside from BAR offered support, but I seem to remember that ETNZ were kind of on the outer with all teams and regarded as kind of a Lone Wolf, renegade, as they were the only team not supporting Larry's grand scheme to control the Cup, turn it into a Northern Hemisphere based Grand Prix, and roast pesky little bug NZ out of the process once and for all...

All other teams saw they would be on a perpetual professional racing circuit via the new improved Cup and wouldn't have such a long time between meals.

The Frenchies initially offered some material but after consulting their benefactors (OR-Xerox), they demanded Є300,000 for them. Only Sir Ben stepped up and provided materials and other help - which I believe Dalts repaid by helping them with their "FCS problem".

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aahhh.

Isn't this cup so much the better without Ellison and Coutts.

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20 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

aahhh.

Isn't this cup so much the better without Ellison and Coutts.

This AC is a bit short on villains though. B)

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7 hours ago, sailer99 said:

If I'm Ineos, I want to race Prada only twice and on different days. The potential for different conditions increases the odds that one of the races goes my way.

That makes sense. But it also depends on my development plans. Which unfortunately we don't know.

I'd try and make sure I have time to do all the development I want, whilst minimizing time for the opposition to do theirs

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55 minutes ago, Thewas said:

Actually LR was a pretty big part of the ETNZ campaign (like, Max Sirena was a manager of NZ in Bermuda, just in case you forgot) and they put quite a lot of money  (and skills, and ideas, and designs) into that boat just in order to get rid of the Ellison/Coutts "vision" of the Cup.
Man, how short is the memory...

I didn’t include Luna Ross’s as one of those oracle puppets . 
they played a massive role for ETNZ 

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6 minutes ago, Zeusproject said:

Hey Oracle even put a b-team in for the voting numbers.      Was it  Soft something 

 

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If the frackers beat Prada on Saturday then I can't see them racing again on Sunday. Potential for damage way more important than getting in some more practice or keeping the media,TV, spectators and sponsors happy. 

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9 minutes ago, winchfodder said:

If the frackers beat Prada on Saturday then I can't see them racing again on Sunday. Potential for damage way more important than getting in some more practice or keeping the media,TV, spectators and sponsors happy. 

I agree, they would work on the next stages of development I think. At that point I think LR would want to as well

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15 minutes ago, winchfodder said:

If the frackers beat Prada on Saturday then I can't see them racing again on Sunday. Potential for damage way more important than getting in some more practice or keeping the media,TV, spectators and sponsors happy. 

I'd think the crew would be quite keen to get out there and race. It would be an opportunity to try out different tactics, starting maneuvers etc, in race conditions. 

Not to mention that these guys would simply want to sail/race.

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2 hours ago, barfy said:

Not Luna Rossa

That's right they were in it until Larry decided to shorten the boats and had already pissed off Bertelli so much this was the final straw and threw his weight in behind ETNZ...

At least LR lasted longer than Hamilton Island Yacht Club... 

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18 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

That's right they were in it until Larry decided to shorten the boats and had already pissed off Bertelli so much this was the final straw and threw his weight in behind ETNZ...

At least LR lasted longer than Hamilton Island Yacht Club... 

That was never on as all the crew they thought they may get were steering and running half the other teams boats 

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4 hours ago, winchfodder said:

If the frackers beat Prada on Saturday then I can't see them racing again on Sunday. Potential for damage way more important than getting in some more practice or keeping the media,TV, spectators and sponsors happy. 

What are the protocol agreements on any further "hook-ups" between the challengers before the final round Robin weekend, the Prada Cup and the Match.

I would at least hope after the Prada Cup that the other eliminated teams would be allowed to tune up the challenger in advance of the Match. 

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12 hours ago, Indio said:

The 1-design FCS can be modified under approval. The Class Rules are your friend...

yes they are

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so i can be modified but agreed 'updates' must be installed by ALL competitors ... i.e the systems are identical between boats

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13 hours ago, Zeusproject said:

Kiwis were offered little help except for the poms in the last cycle I recall 

Correct. I still remember Ben's immediate call when he saw it "Make sure our chase boat gets there quickly"

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The amount of revisionist history by some chip-on-the-shoulder Kiwis is amazing, it’s as if through repetition they can convince themselves that everything ever done in AC34 and AC35 was designed and done specifically to fuck ETNZ. Lmao! 

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6 hours ago, winchfodder said:

What are the protocol agreements on any further "hook-ups" between the challengers before the final round Robin weekend, the Prada Cup and the Match.

I would at least hope after the Prada Cup that the other eliminated teams would be allowed to tune up the challenger in advance of the Match. 

Well, there is restriction in the Protocol over testing with a surrogate yacht (a defined term), so I'm guessing there would need to be agreement by both the crowned Challenger and Defender to rescind that restriction, in which case ETNZ will tune up with both Ineos and AM if LR is the Challenger (fuck hope not!!) :D

 

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13 hours ago, waterboy42 said:

From memory there was also Luna Rosa, Artemis, SoftBank Japan, and Groupama France. I can't recall if any aside from BAR offered support, but I seem to remember that ETNZ were kind of on the outer with all teams and regarded as kind of a Lone Wolf, renegade, as they were the only team not supporting Larry's grand scheme to control the Cup, turn it into a Northern Hemisphere based Grand Prix, and roast pesky little bug NZ out of the process once and for all...

All other teams saw they would be on a perpetual professional racing circuit via the new improved Cup and wouldn't have such a long time between meals.

Newstalk ZB mentioned that other syndicates have been helping out to get AM boat back on track - no details on exactly what, Maybe some parts supply

I kinda remember ETNZ did not get help when they had to put their AC50 back to gether after the pitchpole...  

 

Im glad they are being helped though!

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11 minutes ago, starlyte said:

I kinda remember ETNZ did not get help when they had to put their AC50 back to gether after the pitchpole...  

BA looked back, saw it, ordered his tender to go and assist if they could but a single ETNZ tender pulled the boat up and they were on the dock within about 20 minutes. They needed no help. Can’t remember if they asked for or received other people’s kit later that night. 
 

That incident was also in big wind. BA handed PB his ass on the line, PB got locked and then pulled a high risk move to duck the mark and then he lost foil control. I think it was the same day DB took SoftBank to a 3-1 lead over Artemis in hairy conditions. 

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7 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

BA looked back, saw it, ordered his tender to go and assist if they could but a single ETNZ tender pulled the boat up and they were on the dock within about 20 minutes. They needed no help. Can’t remember if they asked for or received other people’s kit later that night. 
  

That incident was also in big wind. BA handed PB his ass on the line, PB got locked and then pulled a high risk move to duck the mark and then he lost foil control. I think it was the same day DB took SoftBank to a 3-1 lead over Artemis in hairy conditions. 

I was meaning once back in the shed afterwards.. I do remember Ben ensuring ETNZ got help via chase boats.. Scary morning that was!

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Just now, starlyte said:

Scary morning that was!

If it’s the race day I’m thinking of in early June ‘17 then that SBTJ vs Artemis race was about the most epic race in all of AC Bermuda, freaking scary! 

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28 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

If it’s the race day I’m thinking of in early June ‘17 then that SBTJ vs Artemis race was about the most epic race in all of AC Bermuda, freaking scary! 

yea, carbon fibre flying off boats as they went around the course...........

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19 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Some answers in just now 

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Thanks for posting that.

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15 hours ago, Zeusproject said:

Kiwis were offered little help except for the poms in the last cycle I recall 

What happened and what did the poms do?

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5 minutes ago, dullers said:

What happened and what did the poms do?

When ETNZ AC 50 flipped . Poms were only ones to offer help . 

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1 hour ago, Indio said:

Well, there is restriction in the Protocol over testing with a surrogate yacht (a defined term), so I'm guessing there would need to be agreement by both the crowned Challenger and Defender to rescind that restriction, in which case ETNZ will tune up with both Ineos and AM if LR is the Challenger (fuck hope not!!) :D

 

Considering it is a challenge based contest,  and the challengers organise and race amongst themselves to choose the boat most likely to win, then the challengers (or their representative the COR) should not make any agreement with the Defender that limits their ability to work together after they have selected the challenging team to put forward the best performance possible.

Equally it would be bad sportsmanship for any challenger, after being eliminated, to help the defender prepare for the Match. 

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Just now, Zeusproject said:

When ETNZ AC 50 flipped . Poms were only ones to offer help . 

What help did they offer?

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20 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Some answers in just now 

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This really sucks for the fans, they could of added more races or make them race Team New Zealand who could of stood in for AM. Of course selfish self interest has stopped this, but the popularity of the America’s Cup is going to be reflected in giving the public something to  watch. 

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5 minutes ago, Zeusproject said:

We’re offered help to fix if needing parts etc 

So it was more than just the tender going to help.

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3 minutes ago, mako23 said:

This really sucks for the fans, they could of added more races or make them race Team New Zealand who could of stood in for AM. Of course selfish self interest has stopped this, but the popularity of the America’s Cup is going to be reflected in giving the public something to  watch. 

If the Americas cup ever gets big in global terms it wont ever be held down under. It will become a battle of tv ratings and it being raced with biggest audience potential. I like the fact it is held anywhere but success could also ruin it for the likes of NZ and Australia.

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Just now, Zeusproject said:

Yes 

Obviously BAR were not as bad a puppets as the rest . But now Larry has lost to his own rules he disappears back under his rock and sportsmanship returns . 

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2 minutes ago, Zeusproject said:

Obviously BAR were not as bad a puppets as the rest . But now Larry has lost to his own rules he disappears back under his rock and sportsmanship returns . 

Since you are expressing opinions, kindly let us know what all assistance ETNZ requested from Race Management and other teams for pulling the boat up? And what assistance they requested and received for help later that night? Thanks, because otherwise it might as well be just more bollocks ;) 

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4 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Since you are expressing opinions, kindly let us know what all assistance ETNZ requested from Race Management and other teams for pulling the boat up? And what assistance they requested and received for help later that night? Thanks, because otherwise it might as well be just more bollocks ;) 

Did I say they requested anything? 
offered and requested are not the same . 

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6 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Since you are expressing opinions, kindly let us know what all assistance ETNZ requested from Race Management and other teams for pulling the boat up? And what assistance they requested and received for help later that night? Thanks, because otherwise it might as well be just more bollocks ;) 

Are you saying AM requested assistance from ETNZ?

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Just now, Forourselves said:

Are you saying AM requested assistance from ETNZ?

I have no idea if they did but given their predicament I’m sure all help was welcomed, THutch already said as much. 
 

Not taking anything from anybody but if you look at the aerials where the boat is basically sinking, out of 4 boats alongside I think 3 were Race Management boats. 

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9 minutes ago, Zeusproject said:

Did I say they requested anything? 
offered and requested are not the same . 

Okay genius, then what was offered and what was accepted? Where was your imaginary Evil Wolf in any of that incident? 

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25 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

I have no idea if they did but given their predicament I’m sure all help was welcomed, THutch already said as much. 
 

Not taking anything from anybody but if you look at the aerials where the boat is basically sinking, out of 4 boats alongside I think 3 were Race Management boats. 

Sure if you say so.

 

Prada Cup: American Magic's AC75 survives crash, damage, and near-sinking  on the Hauraki Gulf - What's Up Newp

 

Patriot Games: The Grim Rise and Fall of American Magic | Newsroom

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30 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

I have no idea if they did but given their predicament I’m sure all help was welcomed, THutch already said as much. 
 

Not taking anything from anybody but if you look at the aerials where the boat is basically sinking, out of 4 boats alongside I think 3 were Race Management boats. 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/americas-cup-scary-scenes-as-team-nz-topple-capsize-into-the-great-sound/7NWB627JEL2SHPVBUJTVS2JFNY/

"Immediately after the NZ boat went over, Ainslie ordered his support craft to go back and help his opponents."

"We had a chat about it this morning with our support team - we had that discussion that if something goes wrong with the other boat, we'd stop and make sure we give every assistance we can."

The ACC boat was eventually towed to dock, with shore crew facing a long night of work, trying to get back on the water for tomorrow's schedule.

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46 minutes ago, Flags said:

Sure if you say so.

 

Prada Cup: American Magic's AC75 survives crash, damage, and near-sinking  on the Hauraki Gulf - What's Up Newp

 

Patriot Games: The Grim Rise and Fall of American Magic | Newsroom

Credits on the images?

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1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

I have no idea if they did but given their predicament I’m sure all help was welcomed, THutch already said as much. 
 

Not taking anything from anybody but if you look at the aerials where the boat is basically sinking, out of 4 boats alongside I think 3 were Race Management boats. 

Lol like I said the other day. You’re an idiot.

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1 hour ago, dullers said:

If the Americas cup ever gets big in global terms it wont ever be held down under. It will become a battle of tv ratings and it being raced with biggest audience potential. I like the fact it is held anywhere but success could also ruin it for the likes of NZ and Australia.

Lucky 1987, 2000 and 2003 weren't when the America's Cup was 'big in global terms'

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3 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

The amount of revisionist history by some chip-on-the-shoulder Kiwis is amazing, it’s as if through repetition they can convince themselves that everything ever done in AC34 and AC35 was designed and done specifically to fuck ETNZ. Lmao! 

I don't think Larry particularly wanted to fuck ETNZ, Larry wanted to fuck anyone who stood in his way.. ETNZ happened to be the minnion who wouldn't behave ;)

I think Larry (& Russell / Oracle) actually did a lot of positive things for the sport and the AC as well as creating SailGP they have given avenues to a lot of top sailors to make their livelihood from the sport.

In the end Larry was just another Billionaire who tried to control the Cup, but the ghost of George Schuyler made sure that wasn't going to happen..

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1 minute ago, waterboy42 said:

I don't think Larry particularly wanted to fuck ETNZ, Larry wanted to fuck anyone who stood in his way.. ETNZ happened to be the minnion who wouldn't behave ;)

I think Larry (& Russell / Oracle) actually did a lot of positive things for the sport and the AC as well as creating SailGP they have given avenues to a lot of top sailors to make their livelihood from the sport.

In the end Larry was just another Billionaire who tried to control the Cup, but the ghost of George Schuyler made sure that wasn't going to happen..

All he did was downgrade the AC to the Little AC

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1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

Not taking anything from anybody but if you look at the aerials where the boat is basically sinking, out of 4 boats alongside I think 3 were Race Management boats. 

Can you point out the 3 race management craft rendering assistance.

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9 minutes ago, sailman said:

All he did was downgrade the AC to the Little AC

Personally I think SailGP is awesome, and very compatible alongside the AC,  but it is another One Design Series which is not what The Cup is about.

Hopefully (post Covid..) the two coexist and benefit each other.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Thanks, because otherwise it might as well be just more bollocks ;) 

Most of which comes from you spew bitch.

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I think Stingray is confusing Race Mgt boats which are actually the ETNZ big boats. As we were motoring back in after the race they both came out flat chat. Based on the photos they were bigger than anything else alongside and I'm sure were welcomed by AM.

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4 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

The amount of revisionist history by some chip-on-the-shoulder Kiwis is amazing, it’s as if through repetition they can convince themselves that everything ever done in AC34 and AC35 was designed and done specifically to fuck ETNZ. Lmao! 

Much of it was... #letsgetdalts, the Auckland regatta rescind, flaggate and blackballing ETNZ post capsize, IP theft and destruction, to name a few... But of course you already knew that, as does everyone else, so not sure your revisionist effort will accomplish much, as per usual.

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33 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

I don't think Larry particularly wanted to fuck ETNZ, Larry wanted to fuck anyone who stood in his way.. ETNZ happened to be the minnion who wouldn't behave ;)

I think Larry (& Russell / Oracle) actually did a lot of positive things for the sport and the AC as well as creating SailGP they have given avenues to a lot of top sailors to make their livelihood from the sport.

In the end Larry was just another Billionaire who tried to control the Cup, but the ghost of George Schuyler made sure that wasn't going to happen..

Yep, Larry got bored with it after participating for 17 (!) years, so RC suggested a new venture post-AC35. All good. 

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11 minutes ago, rh3000 said:

Much of it was... #letsgetdalts, the Auckland regatta rescind, flaggate and blackballing ETNZ post capsize, IP theft and destruction, to name a few... But of course you already knew that, as does everyone else, so not sure your revisionist effort will accomplish much, as per usual.

Oh good grief! Some of you have ridiculously thin skins!

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22 minutes ago, Jono said:

I think Stingray is confusing Race Mgt boats which are actually the ETNZ big boats. As we were motoring back in after the race they both came out flat chat. Based on the photos they were bigger than anything else alongside and I'm sure were welcomed by AM.

Yeah, maybe they were ETNZ big boats (despite ETNZ not being out there racing) instead of Emirates-branded RM boats, at least one of which ran around collecting marker bouys to help as flotation devices. 
 

Either way, all good but why all the indignant shots taken for some reason at LR and RC for any of it? That’s just more of the same juvenile trash talking from the usual fools around here :D 

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2 hours ago, dullers said:

If the Americas cup ever gets big in global terms it wont ever be held down under. It will become a battle of tv ratings and it being raced with biggest audience potential. I like the fact it is held anywhere but success could also ruin it for the likes of NZ and Australia.

Well sure, if your talking about "big on your side of the Atlantic" however I think you'll find the Pacific coast of the USA feels differently about it.

 

 

 

 

 

Doesn't really matter though since hardly anyone lives here.

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1 minute ago, Stingray~ said:

Yeah, maybe they were ETNZ big boats (despite ETNZ not being out there racing) instead of Emirates-branded RM boats, at least one of which ran around collecting marker bouys to help as flotation devices. 
 

Either way, all good but why the all indignant shots taken for some reason at LR and RC for any of it? That’s just more of the same juvenile trash talking from the usual fools around here :D 

We have all seen several dramatic videos on YT showcasing the scenes from last Sunday, What is fascinating is the "behind the scenes version of events". I can't wait for it being shared in a similar social platform. The comm's timeline, race management, crisis protocols and third party support processes of the event are unbelievable. We were minutes away from seeing a very different outcome. What the teams have done this week modelling their own boat weight and scenario planning is going to make a great chapter in the story of this cup.   

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2 hours ago, Zeusproject said:

Obviously BAR were not as bad a puppets as the rest . But now Larry has lost to his own rules he disappears back under his rock and sportsmanship returns . 

After the disastrous 1998 Sydney-Hobart race, Ellison said 'never again'. And that was despite Sayonara being ahead of the worst of the weather. To butcher a well known saying:

"When the going gets tough.... Ellison quits."

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11 minutes ago, MaxHugen said:

After the disastrous 1998 Sydney-Hobart race, Ellison said 'never again'. And that was despite Sayonara being ahead of the worst of the weather. To butcher a well know saying:

"When the going gets tough.... Ellison quits."

Smart choice by LE, he thought he and the crew were going to sink and f’ing die during that storm. 
 

Am no big fan of any $B’s beyond the late Paul Allen and his MS compatriot Gates (who has redeemed himself late in life) but LE is and was extremely, extremely ‘tough’ to hang in against those guys, technically and business-acumen-wise. 

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11 minutes ago, WakaNZ said:

What the teams have done this week modelling their own boat weight and scenario planning is going to make a great chapter in the story of this cup.   

I almost wonder if the boats we saw going out today mastless might have been testing some new safety device, like a measuring rod for foil-torsion. 

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48 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

Personally I think SailGP is awesome, and very compatible alongside the AC,  but it is another One Design Series which is not what The Cup is about.

Hopefully (post Covid..) the two coexist and benefit each other.

The thing I like about SailGP, besides having 50 knot foilers, is that although it's one design they are continuously developing the class.

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Just ran across this and felt like sharing.

WetHog  :ph34r:

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8 minutes ago, MaxHugen said:

The thing I like about SailGP, besides having 50 knot foilers, is that although it's one design they are continuously developing the class.

That, and there’s a full schedule of racing that includes almost any top foiling-sailor you can name. It’s like the ACWS series from the past two Cups but taken up even another notch. Good for the sport! 

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2 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

That, and there’s a full schedule of racing that includes almost any top foiling-sailor you can name. It’s like the ACWS series from the past two Cups but taken up even another notch. Good for the sport! 

And we don't have to wait 3-4 years for something to watch. My armchair suffers from withdrawal syndrome.

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8 minutes ago, MaxHugen said:

The thing I like about SailGP, besides having 50 knot foilers, is that although it's one design they are continuously developing the class.

That, and there’s a full schedule of racing that includes almost any top foiling-sailor you can name. It’s like the ACWS series from the past two Cups but taken up even another notch. Good for the sport! 

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45 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Oh good grief! Some of you have ridiculously thin skins!

Given the likes of Regatta Recind was nearly fatal to ETNZ, the skins would need to be pretty thick mate...

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3 hours ago, dullers said:

If the Americas cup ever gets big in global terms it wont ever be held down under.

What a pile of shit, Dullers. Winner takes all, remember.

It has fuck all to do with TV ratings,  mega population, or global influence - as Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland have already proved.

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3 hours ago, winchfodder said:

Considering it is a challenge based contest,  and the challengers organise and race amongst themselves to choose the boat most likely to win, then the challengers (or their representative the COR) should not make any agreement with the Defender that limits their ability to work together after they have selected the challenging team to put forward the best performance possible.

Equally it would be bad sportsmanship for any challenger, after being eliminated, to help the defender prepare for the Match. 

You've got it the wrong way around. The restriction is on testing against a surrogate yacht which is defined in the Protocol. The restriction survives right through to confirmation of the Challenger. The Defender and Challenger may then agree to rescind the restriction and test with the vanquished competitor's "surrogate" yacht.

In previous AC's one of the defeated Challengers has helped prepare the Challenger for the Match, the most recent being AC35 where OR-Xerox practised with OR-JPN for the Match. In these earlier ACs, there may not have been any restriction on surrogate yachts in the current edition but even if they did, the two opponents in the Match could easily agree to waive any rules.

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