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It would be ironic if INEOS gets lucky with stronger winds during the Prada Cup and wins. Only then to get absolutely demolished in light winds in March (where LR would potentially have done better)

It would be a anti-climax to the hole event though...

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31 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:
43 minutes ago, rh3000 said:

Utter bullshit as per usual... I dont even know where to start mate...

I wouldn't bother giving it oxygen if I was you.

The fact is the wind range was agreed.  Design to it.

"the wind range was agreed.  Design to it." 

Succinct. Perfect. Need more be said!

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13 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

The design doesn’t work at 6.5 and below

Yes it does.

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2 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Yes it does.

If all the boats have the same conditions to sail under who cares what the rule is.     Design to it ! 

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3 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Yes it does.

Only if you think that there is value in TV ‘Drama’ about wtf fell off the foils first, then headed off in some silly direction, maybe even out of bounds, trying to get FOILING again. 
 

That is ‘drama’ I will tune out of, any time. It’s a waste of time, might as well wait and hope for a decent race conditions day later in the week. 

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Just now, Zeusproject said:

If all the boats have the same conditions to sail under who cares what the rule is.     Design to it ! 

I agree. All the teams know the wind window and the rules around non-interchangeable foils. They would have modelled their designs around the wind statistics for the racing periods. 

If they suck at the bottom of the window then it is because either:

1. They have prioritized performance in higher winds and have elected to take their chances with the weather, or

2. Their designs are just not good enough overall and they have not been able to get the power out of the double skinned main

Either way, they are the rules and that is the challenge of being the best for AC36

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2 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Only if you think that there is value in TV ‘Drama’ about wtf fell off the foils first, then headed off in some silly direction, maybe even out of bounds, trying to get FOILING again. 
 

That is ‘drama’ I will tune out of, any time. It’s a waste of time, might as well wait and hope for a decent race conditions day later in the week. 

If I was you I wouldn't bother with any sailing that has anything less than 100% flight time... guess there goes SGP then too eh... Sydney much? lolz...

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4 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Only if you think that there is value in TV ‘Drama’ about wtf fell off the foils first, then headed off in some silly direction, maybe even out of bounds, trying to get FOILING again. 
 

That is ‘drama’ I will tune out of, any time. It’s a waste of time, might as well wait and hope for a decent race conditions day later in the week. 

Who would've thought, the AC75 requires skill to sail!? Its unheard of, unheard of I tell you!

Fuck off until failgp starts then!

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7 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Only if you think that there is value in TV ‘Drama’ about wtf fell off the foils first, then headed off in some silly direction, maybe even out of bounds, trying to get FOILING again. 
 

That is ‘drama’ I will tune out of, any time. It’s a waste of time, might as well wait and hope for a decent race conditions day later in the week. 

You obviously have the memory and attention span of a Goldfish.

Remember the drifter in San Francisco?  

Personally I'm actually looking forward to a challenging lower wind race with variable puffs in terms of direction and strength.

There is an incentive to develop a boat mode that will enable foiling in those types of conditions.  Whoever nails it will be at the leading edge.

Then we have an event that can be sailed anywhere between 6.5 knots and 23 knots at an average boat speed 3 to 4 times the wind strength.

Wow!  Stingray we'll let you know when it happens.  You just get back to your Playstation or X-box.

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1 hour ago, SF Woody Sailor said:

It isn't a massive gamble at all. The wind range is 6.5 to 23 or average of 14.75. If you are faster in everything over 11 knots that would cover WAY more than 50% of the races (assuming any sort of plausible distribution), and you only need to win 50.1%. 

You're assuming an even distribution. 

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1 hour ago, SF Woody Sailor said:

It isn't a massive gamble at all. The wind range is 6.5 to 23 or average of 14.75. If you are faster in everything over 11 knots that would cover WAY more than 50% of the races (assuming any sort of plausible distribution), and you only need to win 50.1%. 

Ok, but teams don't sail the same amount of races per day, and it's not exactly fair to assume a uniform distribution across a rather arbitrary wind range - isn't auckland known to be light in the summer?

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It’s a perfectly reasonable proposition to push back on the TV-slot money interested interests, and to instead insist on racing only when these FOILERS can FOIL.

The hope was that this Class could start in 6.5 knots and fly nicely but guess what? It has not worked out, for ANY team. 
 

Here’s a prayer that the wind kicks in this afternoon fresh enough that it’s not some silly farce. That fool Bruno T suggested for once something intelligent, that timeouts might be called if a boat can’t complete a leg in 12 minutes, instead of an agonizing whatever-limit for the whole race. 

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What's the weather doing today any accurate wind forecasts? will be interesting to see AM and Luna Rossa 1st race if it's lighter and I think Ineos's next trick will be their light weather performance?

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I think all these boats can finish a race in the time limit in 6.5 knots of breeze, Perhaps not foiling all the time but here the lift off becomes so important.  Spinbot will be surprised today, in the light as he must have been yesterday.

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6 minutes ago, crashtack said:

Ok, but teams don't sail the same amount of races per day, and it's not exactly fair to assume a uniform distribution across a rather arbitrary wind range - isn't auckland known to be light in the summer?

Yes, I am not sure why they are not doing 3 races per day so all teams are get the same exposure to light or heavy conditions. It isn't like the races are going on for an hour each...

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19 minutes ago, kenergy said:

You're assuming an even distribution. 

No I am not. The distribution would need to be quite skewed for the probability not to pay off. An even (or normal distribution) centered at 14.75 would pay off overwhelmingly. 

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5 hours ago, Nutta said:

And Nick H is probably somewhat vindicated on the design front? There were suggestions he'd never work in AC again...

Probably still the case at this stage for N.H and a couple of others.......

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Actual weather update from anyone out at the course today please?

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4 minutes ago, Piet56 said:

Probably still the case at this stage for N.H and a couple of others.......

I'm sure Nick Holroyd will be judged at the end of this regatta but yes big turn around for him if they weren't sand bagging.! I'm convinced they were sandbagging a little and they are at where they always new they'd be?

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Sitting here in "Jockistan" at oh dark WTF am I doing up..... this doesn't look to be the light air's that was forecast methinks.....

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If you download the NZ Coast Guard app you can go the nowcasting page and get live wind from Bean Rock (and others).  I also have Predictwind and that has a lot more spots, but that is a pay app (I'm an Auckland boatie, so need lots of weather forecasts :) )

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9 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

I missed Trump on the US boat. he would liven up the pressers though

POTUS interruptus?

 

2 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

An  offshore  onshore   breeze due to pressure (gradient) helps a sea breeze start and strengthen, it doesn't fight it

FIFY

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definitely lighter at my house today which is near the harbour, but not as light as people thought I think

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Ahh roger that..... will fire up the i=pad and get the Coastie app going.....

 

Spent yesterday looking at old video from '95 & the 2000 cups with the old lead mines and looking at the highlights from the "Xmas Cup floater" (purely boredom you understand) and even when they were glued on their butt's they were faster than the old mono's...... unreal.....

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1 minute ago, Kate short for Bob said:

10-12 would be my guess.  The SW does seem to be coming in.

Thanks, good news.

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If it stays in (SW) then it's going to get a tad shifty ......

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1 minute ago, Tornado-Cat said:

BTW, isn't the SW the wind supposed to break cats ?

Only in Wellington..... :-)

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I'm thinking it is still just under 10. 

Right side favoured side again.

Apparently there is a weather station on Bean Rock which is right in the middle of the course.  Anyone know the link?

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So what is INEOS done to rectify the outhaul situation or are they still rocking the offending item?

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'm absolutely amped for the racing but |I am sooo cringing for that muppet Stephen McIvor on the tele....... Bring back Montgomery, the man who could make a waterhole at your local golf course world news......

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1 minute ago, Piet56 said:

'm absolutely amped for the racing but |I am sooo cringing for that muppet Stephen McIvor on the tele....... Bring back Montgomery, the man who could make a waterhole at your local golf course world news......

Yew say that lyk its a good thing  ? ? ? ?

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Just now, Piet56 said:

'm absolutely amped for the racing but |I am sooo cringing for that muppet Stephen McIvor on the tele....... Bring back Montgomery, the man who could make a waterhole at your local golf course world news......

They are using people that have no appeal to anyone I know as their frontfolk. Exceptions being the sailing folk. The others are a waste if space, just moronic babble.

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45 minutes ago, SF Woody Sailor said:

No I am not. The distribution would need to be quite skewed for the probability not to pay off. An even (or normal distribution) centered at 14.75 would pay off overwhelmingly. 

Do you know anything about Hauraki wind conditions and how they change over 4 months? 

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1 minute ago, snaerk said:

Yew say that lyk its a good thing  ? ? ? ?

Hell yes!..... "They've taken the elevator"..........

 

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Just now, kenergy said:

Do you know anything about Hauraki wind conditions and how they change over 4 months? 

Lighter in March.  Lighter than average if La Nina kicks in.

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Just now, Kate short for Bob said:

Lighter in March.  Lighter than average if La Nina kicks in.

I was asking if Woody knew. You have clarified my point though, his assumption of wind distribution is theoretical, gulf winds dont follow a standard distribution curve. 

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Any updates weather wise? Apple store crashed on me getting that Coastie app ......

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7 hours ago, cinnr said:

I took "dog off leash" to mean aggressive, potentially risky maneuvers (i.e. boat-to-boat combat).  Maybe @XPRO can clarify?

In longer races you take less risks , keep the dog on the leash/chain and avoid any messes. In short races you may not  have that option especially if the other team is backed into a corner , if you don’t have boat speed , you better let the dog off the chain...his words not mine.

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10 minutes ago, kenergy said:

I was asking if Woody knew. You have clarified my point though, his assumption of wind distribution is theoretical, gulf winds dont follow a standard distribution curve. 

Exactly.  You can get days and days of light winds in March and then it blows for 3 days and lifts the average!

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My boat didn't need a leash..... it was a complete dog! frikkin Young 88

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9 minutes ago, kenergy said:

I was asking if Woody knew. You have clarified my point though, his assumption of wind distribution is theoretical, gulf winds dont follow a standard distribution curve. 

I wasn't assuming a standard distribution curve, but thanks. You didn't answer the question though.

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2 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Exactly.  You can get days and days of light winds in March and then it blows for 3 days and lifts the average!

That is what histograms are for. The question isn't the average. The question is how many days the wind is 6.5-11 compared to 11-23.

 

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Please.... someone do unspeakable things to that  muppet on the telecast.... i BEG YOU..... PLEASE......

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Today will provide a good approximation of what to expect in March.  Maybe just a smidgeon lighter but the biggest difference will be the wind will be coming from the East.

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Just now, Piet56 said:

Please.... someone do unspeakable things to that  muppet on the telecast.... i BEG YOU..... PLEASE......

And it just got even worse, with a useless blonde drooling over the LR physio. Do they want those with an interest in sailing to suicide before today's race starts?

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I am worried for my Televisions security.... it could be at risk of a flying object....:ph34r:

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Wind at start on VE showing 10-11k. Top marks 8-9k.

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I still don't get how Outeridge isn't on one of those boats...... he's good

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AM done and dusted before the start...

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This looks like a race where one mistake and a healthy lead just disappears

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21 minutes ago, XPRO said:

In longer races you take less risks , keep the dog on the leash/chain and avoid any messes. In short races you may not  have that option especially if the other team is backed into a corner , if you don’t have boat speed , you better let the dog off the chain...his words not mine.

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pick something other than a GSD wouldya, they deserve a bit better than that

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AM wishes Viagra was a sponsor

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2 minutes ago, 167149 said:

pick something other than a GSD wouldya, they deserve a bit better than that

Leave my M.i.L out of this will ya please???

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AM off foils... 800m behind on L1

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That ia the down side to trying to race on AKL..... beautiful country, awesome harbor, but the wind...... can drive a saint to swear I tell ya.....

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1 minute ago, Nutta said:

AM off foils... 800m behind on L1

And now LR off foils... not promising to beat the time limit....

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These boats just don’t work in light airs. 

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LR off foils too, sailing back to the top marks trying to get back on foils... They may round the top marks a 2nd time, just to rub it into AM that they've not got there yet? 8)

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Why the hell did AM go out with that sail combo?  Their jib looks tiny.

Mind you LRs jib isn't much bigger.  Are they deliberately trying to screw with the agreed wind range?

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Great platform these AC75!  Facking pathetic AC series.  Opti racing is more interesting

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1 minute ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Why the hell did AM go out with that sail combo?  Their jib looks tiny.

Mind you LRs jib isn't much bigger.  Are they deliberately trying to screw with the agreed wind range?

They mentioned earlier in the broadcast that there was a bit more wind, only really started dying just before the start.

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LR may be getting up...

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AM back up...

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am 7.38 behind  1st mark and they're threatening.......  ahhh the ditch

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I actually kinda like this sailing on eggshells!

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It's almost like a sail race that relies on wind...

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