D_Dog 65 #601 Posted January 16 It would be ironic if INEOS gets lucky with stronger winds during the Prada Cup and wins. Only then to get absolutely demolished in light winds in March (where LR would potentially have done better) It would be a anti-climax to the hole event though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KiwiJoker 354 #602 Posted January 16 31 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said: 43 minutes ago, rh3000 said: Utter bullshit as per usual... I dont even know where to start mate... I wouldn't bother giving it oxygen if I was you. The fact is the wind range was agreed. Design to it. "the wind range was agreed. Design to it." Succinct. Perfect. Need more be said! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,186 #603 Posted January 16 13 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: The design doesn’t work at 6.5 and below Yes it does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeusproject 175 #604 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Forourselves said: Yes it does. If all the boats have the same conditions to sail under who cares what the rule is. Design to it ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 4,740 #605 Posted January 16 A few more from yesterday 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,432 #606 Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, Forourselves said: Yes it does. Only if you think that there is value in TV ‘Drama’ about wtf fell off the foils first, then headed off in some silly direction, maybe even out of bounds, trying to get FOILING again. That is ‘drama’ I will tune out of, any time. It’s a waste of time, might as well wait and hope for a decent race conditions day later in the week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D_Dog 65 #607 Posted January 16 Just now, Zeusproject said: If all the boats have the same conditions to sail under who cares what the rule is. Design to it ! I agree. All the teams know the wind window and the rules around non-interchangeable foils. They would have modelled their designs around the wind statistics for the racing periods. If they suck at the bottom of the window then it is because either: 1. They have prioritized performance in higher winds and have elected to take their chances with the weather, or 2. Their designs are just not good enough overall and they have not been able to get the power out of the double skinned main Either way, they are the rules and that is the challenge of being the best for AC36 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,634 #608 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Only if you think that there is value in TV ‘Drama’ about wtf fell off the foils first, then headed off in some silly direction, maybe even out of bounds, trying to get FOILING again. That is ‘drama’ I will tune out of, any time. It’s a waste of time, might as well wait and hope for a decent race conditions day later in the week. If I was you I wouldn't bother with any sailing that has anything less than 100% flight time... guess there goes SGP then too eh... Sydney much? lolz... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,186 #609 Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Only if you think that there is value in TV ‘Drama’ about wtf fell off the foils first, then headed off in some silly direction, maybe even out of bounds, trying to get FOILING again. That is ‘drama’ I will tune out of, any time. It’s a waste of time, might as well wait and hope for a decent race conditions day later in the week. Who would've thought, the AC75 requires skill to sail!? Its unheard of, unheard of I tell you! Fuck off until failgp starts then! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 276 #610 Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Only if you think that there is value in TV ‘Drama’ about wtf fell off the foils first, then headed off in some silly direction, maybe even out of bounds, trying to get FOILING again. That is ‘drama’ I will tune out of, any time. It’s a waste of time, might as well wait and hope for a decent race conditions day later in the week. You obviously have the memory and attention span of a Goldfish. Remember the drifter in San Francisco? Personally I'm actually looking forward to a challenging lower wind race with variable puffs in terms of direction and strength. There is an incentive to develop a boat mode that will enable foiling in those types of conditions. Whoever nails it will be at the leading edge. Then we have an event that can be sailed anywhere between 6.5 knots and 23 knots at an average boat speed 3 to 4 times the wind strength. Wow! Stingray we'll let you know when it happens. You just get back to your Playstation or X-box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 568 #611 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, SF Woody Sailor said: It isn't a massive gamble at all. The wind range is 6.5 to 23 or average of 14.75. If you are faster in everything over 11 knots that would cover WAY more than 50% of the races (assuming any sort of plausible distribution), and you only need to win 50.1%. You're assuming an even distribution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crashtack 165 #612 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, SF Woody Sailor said: It isn't a massive gamble at all. The wind range is 6.5 to 23 or average of 14.75. If you are faster in everything over 11 knots that would cover WAY more than 50% of the races (assuming any sort of plausible distribution), and you only need to win 50.1%. Ok, but teams don't sail the same amount of races per day, and it's not exactly fair to assume a uniform distribution across a rather arbitrary wind range - isn't auckland known to be light in the summer? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,432 #613 Posted January 16 It’s a perfectly reasonable proposition to push back on the TV-slot money interested interests, and to instead insist on racing only when these FOILERS can FOIL. The hope was that this Class could start in 6.5 knots and fly nicely but guess what? It has not worked out, for ANY team. Here’s a prayer that the wind kicks in this afternoon fresh enough that it’s not some silly farce. That fool Bruno T suggested for once something intelligent, that timeouts might be called if a boat can’t complete a leg in 12 minutes, instead of an agonizing whatever-limit for the whole race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,079 #614 Posted January 16 What's the weather doing today any accurate wind forecasts? will be interesting to see AM and Luna Rossa 1st race if it's lighter and I think Ineos's next trick will be their light weather performance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwing 405 #615 Posted January 16 I think all these boats can finish a race in the time limit in 6.5 knots of breeze, Perhaps not foiling all the time but here the lift off becomes so important. Spinbot will be surprised today, in the light as he must have been yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D_Dog 65 #616 Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, crashtack said: Ok, but teams don't sail the same amount of races per day, and it's not exactly fair to assume a uniform distribution across a rather arbitrary wind range - isn't auckland known to be light in the summer? Yes, I am not sure why they are not doing 3 races per day so all teams are get the same exposure to light or heavy conditions. It isn't like the races are going on for an hour each... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SF Woody Sailor 346 #617 Posted January 16 19 minutes ago, kenergy said: You're assuming an even distribution. No I am not. The distribution would need to be quite skewed for the probability not to pay off. An even (or normal distribution) centered at 14.75 would pay off overwhelmingly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,079 #618 Posted January 16 Ineos turnaround explanation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #619 Posted January 16 5 hours ago, Nutta said: And Nick H is probably somewhat vindicated on the design front? There were suggestions he'd never work in AC again... Probably still the case at this stage for N.H and a couple of others....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #620 Posted January 16 Actual weather update from anyone out at the course today please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,079 #621 Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Piet56 said: Probably still the case at this stage for N.H and a couple of others....... I'm sure Nick Holroyd will be judged at the end of this regatta but yes big turn around for him if they weren't sand bagging.! I'm convinced they were sandbagging a little and they are at where they always new they'd be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dutyfreenz 13 #622 Posted January 16 nowcasting at Bean Rock showing 12k avg peak of 16 from SW 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #623 Posted January 16 Cheers @Dutyfreenz.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,079 #624 Posted January 16 Hopefully they get away on time? Not long now 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #625 Posted January 16 Sitting here in "Jockistan" at oh dark WTF am I doing up..... this doesn't look to be the light air's that was forecast methinks..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dutyfreenz 13 #626 Posted January 16 If you download the NZ Coast Guard app you can go the nowcasting page and get live wind from Bean Rock (and others). I also have Predictwind and that has a lot more spots, but that is a pay app (I'm an Auckland boatie, so need lots of weather forecasts ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snaerk 67 #627 Posted January 16 9 hours ago, enigmatically2 said: I missed Trump on the US boat. he would liven up the pressers though POTUS interruptus? 2 hours ago, enigmatically2 said: An offshore onshore breeze due to pressure (gradient) helps a sea breeze start and strengthen, it doesn't fight it FIFY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dutyfreenz 13 #628 Posted January 16 definitely lighter at my house today which is near the harbour, but not as light as people thought I think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #629 Posted January 16 Ahh roger that..... will fire up the i=pad and get the Coastie app going..... Spent yesterday looking at old video from '95 & the 2000 cups with the old lead mines and looking at the highlights from the "Xmas Cup floater" (purely boredom you understand) and even when they were glued on their butt's they were faster than the old mono's...... unreal..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 935 #630 Posted January 16 How many kts on the water ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 276 #631 Posted January 16 Just now, Tornado-Cat said: How many kts on the water ? 10-12 would be my guess. The SW does seem to be coming in. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 935 #632 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Kate short for Bob said: 10-12 would be my guess. The SW does seem to be coming in. Thanks, good news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #633 Posted January 16 If it stays in (SW) then it's going to get a tad shifty ...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 935 #634 Posted January 16 BTW, isn't the SW the wind supposed to break cats ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 276 #635 Posted January 16 INEOS got pinged for having their outhaul going along the foot and around the mast. No point deduction but a fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 935 #636 Posted January 16 Good, it won't affect the results Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #637 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Tornado-Cat said: BTW, isn't the SW the wind supposed to break cats ? Only in Wellington..... :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 935 #638 Posted January 16 Just now, Piet56 said: Only in Wellington..... :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 276 #639 Posted January 16 I'm thinking it is still just under 10. Right side favoured side again. Apparently there is a weather station on Bean Rock which is right in the middle of the course. Anyone know the link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #640 Posted January 16 So what is INEOS done to rectify the outhaul situation or are they still rocking the offending item? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #641 Posted January 16 'm absolutely amped for the racing but |I am sooo cringing for that muppet Stephen McIvor on the tele....... Bring back Montgomery, the man who could make a waterhole at your local golf course world news...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snaerk 67 #642 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Piet56 said: 'm absolutely amped for the racing but |I am sooo cringing for that muppet Stephen McIvor on the tele....... Bring back Montgomery, the man who could make a waterhole at your local golf course world news...... Yew say that lyk its a good thing ? ? ? ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 415 #643 Posted January 16 Just now, Piet56 said: 'm absolutely amped for the racing but |I am sooo cringing for that muppet Stephen McIvor on the tele....... Bring back Montgomery, the man who could make a waterhole at your local golf course world news...... They are using people that have no appeal to anyone I know as their frontfolk. Exceptions being the sailing folk. The others are a waste if space, just moronic babble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 276 #644 Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, Piet56 said: So what is INEOS done to rectify the outhaul situation or are they still rocking the offending item? Had to stop using it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 568 #646 Posted January 16 45 minutes ago, SF Woody Sailor said: No I am not. The distribution would need to be quite skewed for the probability not to pay off. An even (or normal distribution) centered at 14.75 would pay off overwhelmingly. Do you know anything about Hauraki wind conditions and how they change over 4 months? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #647 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, snaerk said: Yew say that lyk its a good thing ? ? ? ? Hell yes!..... "They've taken the elevator".......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 276 #648 Posted January 16 Just now, kenergy said: Do you know anything about Hauraki wind conditions and how they change over 4 months? Lighter in March. Lighter than average if La Nina kicks in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 568 #649 Posted January 16 Just now, Kate short for Bob said: Lighter in March. Lighter than average if La Nina kicks in. I was asking if Woody knew. You have clarified my point though, his assumption of wind distribution is theoretical, gulf winds dont follow a standard distribution curve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #650 Posted January 16 Any updates weather wise? Apple store crashed on me getting that Coastie app ...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.......................... 193 #651 Posted January 16 7 hours ago, cinnr said: I took "dog off leash" to mean aggressive, potentially risky maneuvers (i.e. boat-to-boat combat). Maybe @XPRO can clarify? In longer races you take less risks , keep the dog on the leash/chain and avoid any messes. In short races you may not have that option especially if the other team is backed into a corner , if you don’t have boat speed , you better let the dog off the chain...his words not mine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 276 #652 Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, Piet56 said: Any updates weather wise? Apple store crashed on me getting that Coastie app ...... 8-10 knots currently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,186 #653 Posted January 16 Starting on time today. Lesh goooo! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 276 #654 Posted January 16 10 minutes ago, kenergy said: I was asking if Woody knew. You have clarified my point though, his assumption of wind distribution is theoretical, gulf winds dont follow a standard distribution curve. Exactly. You can get days and days of light winds in March and then it blows for 3 days and lifts the average! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #655 Posted January 16 My boat didn't need a leash..... it was a complete dog! frikkin Young 88 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SF Woody Sailor 346 #656 Posted January 16 9 minutes ago, kenergy said: I was asking if Woody knew. You have clarified my point though, his assumption of wind distribution is theoretical, gulf winds dont follow a standard distribution curve. I wasn't assuming a standard distribution curve, but thanks. You didn't answer the question though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SF Woody Sailor 346 #657 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said: Exactly. You can get days and days of light winds in March and then it blows for 3 days and lifts the average! That is what histograms are for. The question isn't the average. The question is how many days the wind is 6.5-11 compared to 11-23. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,367 #658 Posted January 16 Big day for AM today, with two races...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #659 Posted January 16 Please.... someone do unspeakable things to that muppet on the telecast.... i BEG YOU..... PLEASE...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 276 #660 Posted January 16 Today will provide a good approximation of what to expect in March. Maybe just a smidgeon lighter but the biggest difference will be the wind will be coming from the East. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 415 #661 Posted January 16 Just now, Piet56 said: Please.... someone do unspeakable things to that muppet on the telecast.... i BEG YOU..... PLEASE...... And it just got even worse, with a useless blonde drooling over the LR physio. Do they want those with an interest in sailing to suicide before today's race starts? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #662 Posted January 16 I am worried for my Televisions security.... it could be at risk of a flying object.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,367 #663 Posted January 16 Will at least he seems to have dropped the Prada Pirelli bit...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,367 #664 Posted January 16 Spoke too soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 415 #665 Posted January 16 Wind at start on VE showing 10-11k. Top marks 8-9k. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #666 Posted January 16 I still don't get how Outeridge isn't on one of those boats...... he's good 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 415 #668 Posted January 16 AM done and dusted before the start... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #669 Posted January 16 Deano.... ya can't park ya grader there mate......! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSP 200 #670 Posted January 16 This looks like a race where one mistake and a healthy lead just disappears Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 935 #671 Posted January 16 How can AM have such bad start at this level of competition, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
167149 142 #672 Posted January 16 21 minutes ago, XPRO said: In longer races you take less risks , keep the dog on the leash/chain and avoid any messes. In short races you may not have that option especially if the other team is backed into a corner , if you don’t have boat speed , you better let the dog off the chain...his words not mine. pick something other than a GSD wouldya, they deserve a bit better than that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hasmat 12 #673 Posted January 16 AM wishes Viagra was a sponsor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #674 Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, 167149 said: pick something other than a GSD wouldya, they deserve a bit better than that Leave my M.i.L out of this will ya please??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 415 #675 Posted January 16 AM off foils... 800m behind on L1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 68 #676 Posted January 16 That ia the down side to trying to race on AKL..... beautiful country, awesome harbor, but the wind...... can drive a saint to swear I tell ya..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSBTom 10 #677 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Nutta said: AM off foils... 800m behind on L1 And now LR off foils... not promising to beat the time limit.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tugboat 54 #679 Posted January 16 These boats just don’t work in light airs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 415 #680 Posted January 16 LR off foils too, sailing back to the top marks trying to get back on foils... They may round the top marks a 2nd time, just to rub it into AM that they've not got there yet? 8) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 276 #681 Posted January 16 Why the hell did AM go out with that sail combo? Their jib looks tiny. Mind you LRs jib isn't much bigger. Are they deliberately trying to screw with the agreed wind range? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 935 #682 Posted January 16 8 kts of wind, 12 kts of boat speed and off foil. Bring on the F50 ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 276 #683 Posted January 16 LOL where is Priscilla's 15 knots! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sailman 153 #684 Posted January 16 Great platform these AC75! Facking pathetic AC series. Opti racing is more interesting 4 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSBTom 10 #685 Posted January 16 1 minute ago, Kate short for Bob said: Why the hell did AM go out with that sail combo? Their jib looks tiny. Mind you LRs jib isn't much bigger. Are they deliberately trying to screw with the agreed wind range? They mentioned earlier in the broadcast that there was a bit more wind, only really started dying just before the start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 935 #686 Posted January 16 opposite leg but the 2 boats on the same direction, hillarious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 415 #687 Posted January 16 LR may be getting up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
167149 142 #690 Posted January 16 am 7.38 behind 1st mark and they're threatening....... ahhh the ditch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
167149 142 #692 Posted January 16 that poor poor small bull Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,634 #693 Posted January 16 I actually kinda like this sailing on eggshells! 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.......................... 193 #694 Posted January 16 Opposite directions 180 degrees from each other, zero meters separation on the same ladder ring..... gross. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 415 #695 Posted January 16 It's almost like a sail race that relies on wind... 1 Share this post
