JALhazmat 1,274 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said: Which ones ? perhaps you want to coach Ben and Giles ? Maybe.. I could tell them to change the main sail design and the hull too.. that was your recommendation. Should be possible overnight? mistakes going over early in the first race start? Is that insightful enough? Boundary pens? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 613 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 9 minutes ago, strider470 said: It should increase a lot already this week I read. Depends what forecast service you use. Some service quote in km and you need to convert to knots for comparison. I myself are not seeing much difference in forecast compared with today’s wind. As a Pom I’d happily be wrong Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 1,001 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: Maybe.. I could tell them to change the main sail design and the hull too.. that was your recommendation. Should be possible overnight? mistakes going over early in the first race start? Is that insightful enough? Boundary pens? So, what are their mistakes ? can you assert and stop asking questions ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,274 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 You are bloody special. they were over early in the first start, that was a mistake. they picked up boundary pens, that was a mistake, is that clear enough for you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJD 203 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Tornado-Cat said: spite-nav, aside from posting worthless photos and rules cut & paste, can you post once a year one interesting comment ? WOW. That’s fucken hilarious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,492 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 29 minutes ago, DayTripper said: That new bike path looks the bomb. Haven't tried it yet. Hah looks smooth as in the pic however take your full suspension mountain bike it’s a lumpy ride. Typical Auckland Transport cock up. The Parnell Baths have lost a fair chunk of parking and the revised four lane set up is just an accident waiting to happen. They should have pushed a seaward boardwalk into the harbour side the Pohutukawa trees will forever disrupt the asphalt. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 1,001 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: You are bloody special. they were over early in the first start, that was a mistake. they picked up boundary pens, that was a mistake, is that clear enough for you? So you say that they lost the race with that margin because they started the race a few meters down the wind ? seriously ? Any other insight ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 621 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 10 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: You are bloody special. they were over early in the first start, that was a mistake. they picked up boundary pens, that was a mistake, is that clear enough for you? The boundary penalties were not a mistake, they chose to do that to avoid dropping again. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,274 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 20 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said: So you say that they lost the race with that margin because they started the race a few meters down the wind ? seriously ? Any other insight ? No, you asked for examples of mistakes that were made Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 1,274 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 17 minutes ago, kenergy said: The boundary penalties were not a mistake, they chose to do that to avoid dropping again. Hmm they were sub optimal I think we can agree? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 502 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I hope the frackers get their shit beat down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southseasbill 154 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 45 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: Or use the correct jib, and don’t make any small errors, they have sailed 5 perfect races in the lead up, they didn’t today and Prada did. Plus the universally agreed light air boat was better in light air Even in the stronger wind Ineos are too slow upwind. I don't think a better jib will make enough difference. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 202 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 The history books will not show "If / Woulda / Should have / could have"....... Both boats have pretty similar FCS speed (Foil down/Up).... Nathan O mentioned that from the Helo there was a noticeable difference in main shape & depth (Handbags had a "fatter / deeper shape) INEOS was with a flatter main...... so did the BRITS get caught with the wrong sail package up? Way above my pay-grade, knowledge and skill, suffice to say 1st to 7, down 2..... as much as my opinion of INEOS has changed (positive), this may well be INEOS' "Bridge too Far".... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Offshore 1 23 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Message from a mate, “Nervous times for the camera boat driver. He might get some of the ben rage” 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 621 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 10 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: Hmm they were sub optimal I think we can agree? It was a measured decision, the fact that they had to make that decision was sub optimal, but I dont see it as a mistake, or a bad call in the circumstances. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JJD 203 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 9 minutes ago, kenergy said: It was a measured decision, the fact that they had to make that decision was sub optimal, but I dont see it as a mistake, or a bad call in the circumstances. They had another boundary penalty on a down wind leg. Unforced error. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid Assett NZ 80 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Spaghetti team a click higher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,354 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Getting oneself above the line before the start in the light stuff, and having to sail down wind to the line, meaning that they could not foil for what seemed like an eternity . . was a big mistake. (Of course, I have made even more colossal blunders than that. Don't claim to be anywhere near that league) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,874 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, weta27 said: I think a lot of thought and effort went into that "luck"!! Wow, very impressive, who would have expected such a turn-around from when those two teams raced in the RRs? Ahem. I picked it. Wind too light for INEOS to shine, today. Probably go down again tomorrow too. Up wind range racing not too far away though. Then we may see a contest. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zillafreak 128 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 LR is just a faster boat. The fastest boat wins. Unless the race is in shifty/puffy conditions, LR will race ETNZ for the cup. Game over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caecilian 813 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 long way to go but the handbags are not even giving the frackers a reach around at this point 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salty Seacock 463 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 51 minutes ago, Priscilla said: Hah looks smooth as in the pic however take your full suspension mountain bike it’s a lumpy ride. Typical Auckland Transport cock up. The Parnell Baths have lost a fair chunk of parking and the revised four lane set up is just an accident waiting to happen. They should have pushed a seaward boardwalk into the harbour side the Pohutukawa trees will forever disrupt the asphalt. New Zealand's bike foamers need to go to The Netherlands to see how you actually form a cycle network. What we have here is straight up garbage, an embarrassment and as usual, a dollar and a day late. Cyclists shouldn't be on the same carriageway as cars at all. They should have their own path to share with e-bikes, small IC and electric scooters and other exposed and wheeled technology. The road is for cars and bicyclists should have their own space. If nothing else but, to keep the fuck out of my way. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salty Seacock 463 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 7 minutes ago, zillafreak said: LR is just a faster boat. The fastest boat wins. Unless the race is in shifty/puffy conditions, LR will race ETNZ for the cup. Game over. Would you like tomato sauce with that hat you're gonna eat? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
minimumfuss 320 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Very slick Italian machine today. Zero mistakes. I'm not sure Rita is particularly slower in a decent breeze looking at the post match graphs. But they are not going to win anything if they can't foil down near the wind limits, and can't win a start, and put up the wrong sails. AM were quick but couldn't put it all together either. I wouldn't count them out yet, and gear issues may yet determine the results. I just hope we don't see 7 races of the same follow the leader. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,124 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I thought the boats would be closer but Race 1 confirmed that Luna Rossa is the best all rounder IMO. Seems fast in all conditions now. Nathan was in the chopper and said Luna Rossa's sails appeared deeper and Ineos flatter. Which doesn't make sense to me as the first race was always going to be lighter and deeper sails usually work better in those conditions. Race 2 well it didn't seem to matter? Whilst 30 odd seconds in Race 2 was reasonably close on the clock Luna Rossa always looked comfortable and still didn't sail their best race. It seemed at times the Italians were 2 knots faster upwind and down although to my eye they their dominance was more upwind. Let's see what Nick the Dick can come up with for Ineos after they look at the data? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 211 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Tornado-Cat said: Fact is that they had more speed in light and stronger winds, upwind generally downwind too. I would be interested to see Max graph to check if the were faster in the transitions too. I think the 26 second margin is not really backing up the idea that they were faster at every moment. Often when one boat is ahead, it does seem like that. And the speeds of these boats make 26 seconds look like a lot because of the distance they can sail in 26 seconds. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 211 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Priscilla said: Crikey Einstein I think you have cracked it the advantage lies with the boat in the lead. There are a bunch of situations when it is not really true. Especially if the boat behind is faster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DayTripper 60 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Priscilla said: Hah looks smooth as in the pic however take your full suspension mountain bike it’s a lumpy ride. Bummer. I used to ride on the road as the old path was so uncomfortable. Guess I'll be back there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zillafreak 128 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 6 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said: Would you like tomato sauce with that hat you're gonna eat? I've called it for LR all along... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 621 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 19 minutes ago, JJD said: They had another boundary penalty on a down wind leg. Unforced error. Fair enough, I missed that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,124 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Presser for today.! Interesting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
36thLatitude 88 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Seemed Ineos lost a boatlength every time they turned their boat. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nav 590 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Good to hear LSD are in the press room now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Watching the clear step ahead LR made, I think that AM were not so bad at all, considering they lost 10 days of development before the semifinals and the repaired boat had still some issues. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southseasbill 154 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, nav said: Good to hear LSD are in the press room now. Pretty sure they've been there before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nav 590 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 ^ Ah ok thanks, Bruno said '....new journalist, Alison', I missed that they had had someone else there previously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zeusproject 184 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, erdb said: Sorry, you're gonna lose. They have to win 7! Can still get to 6:1 though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dogwatch 695 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 A reminder, if one was needed, that 6 laps of match racing can be 4 or 5 too many. Oh well, a good night's sleep is over-rated. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,124 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Were do you find 2 knots overnight? 16 knots gusting to 21 knots tomorrow. Ben's best chance maybe on course c where it's shifty but you wouldn't want to rely on that? Tomorrow Course E. No doubt Ineos will use different sails tomorrow but it's a predictable scenario so no advantage for either team. By this time tomorrow we'll most likely know who will win the Prada Cup me thinks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sosoomii 577 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Wtf is a “click”? A truly horrible and meaningless expression. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zeusproject 184 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 7 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Were do you find 2 knots overnight? 16 knots gusting to 21 knots tomorrow. Ben's best chance maybe on course c where it's shifty but you wouldn't want to rely on that? Tomorrow Course E. No doubt Ineos will use different sails tomorrow but it's a predictable scenario so no advantage for either team. By this time tomorrow we'll most likely know who will win the Prada Cup me thinks? 7 to 3 Prada’s way to meet the kiwis which will end up at 7 to 2 to the kiwi. my guess only 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sfigone 363 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 In race 2 when Ineos ducked, Giles was steering and BA was micro managing... "Not too early! ", "Up up up" etc. Perhaps having two trusted helms on the boat is a good thing after all. Forza LR! I just want to hear JS say one word on italian! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sfigone 363 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 14 minutes ago, sosoomii said: Wtf is a “click”? A truly horrible and meaningless expression. It's a lot more than a bee's dick, but less than a country mile 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 1,020 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, sfigone said: In race 2 when Ineos ducked, Giles was steering and BA was micro managing... "Not too early! ", "Up up up" etc. Perhaps having two trusted helms on the boat is a good thing after all. Forza LR! I just want to hear JS say one word on italian! JS has said that he does know a few words in Italian, just not ones that he could use on TV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 18 minutes ago, sosoomii said: Wtf is a “click”? A truly horrible and meaningless expression. Isn’t it the measure unit of a computer mouse speed? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,124 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 15 minutes ago, sfigone said: In race 2 when Ineos ducked, Giles was steering and BA was micro managing... "Not too early! ", "Up up up" etc. Perhaps having two trusted helms on the boat is a good thing after all. Forza LR! I just want to hear JS say one word on italian! Quote Ben to Giles "Too early , you can't do that! shakes his head. Giles quote "Copy" It's the 1st sign of pressure and perhaps because the Italians go it wrong early in the series they now have it right? But a distinct lack of racing over the last 2 weeks and signs of rust appearing. If Luna Rossa were to win this 7-0 then they will have done stuff all sailing over the Kiwis and now we know they'll be smooth and polished but will they have the boat speed to match the Kiwis? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,124 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 10 minutes ago, strider470 said: 30 minutes ago, sosoomii said: Wtf is a “click”? A truly horrible and meaningless expression. Isn’t it the measure unit of a computer mouse speed? I think a click refers to a touch faster or a knot faster, 1 knot = 1 click. 2 knots = 2 clicks. Or was it used in another scenario? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,473 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Suggestions it'll be one of the inshore courses tomorrow - course E with some reasonably decent breeze. Should put Ben and the lads back in the game. Hoping the Brits win a few, so we see more racing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Team Prada 113 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 fucking boring.... The worst AC to date. Win the start.... 10 tacks and 8 gyves)25 min later race over. Boats are great but the courses/ format does not test the boats nor crew.... Boring! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 2,598 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, strider470 said: Isn’t it the measure unit of a computer mouse speed? 4 minutes ago, terrafirma said: I think a click refers to a touch faster or a knot faster, 1 knot = 1 click. 2 knots = 2 clicks. Or was it used in another scenario? Isn't it the measure of hyper space jumps in Guardians of the Galaxy? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 32 minutes ago, terrafirma said: Quote Ben to Giles "Too early , you can't do that! shakes his head. Giles quote "Copy" It's the 1st sign of pressure and perhaps because the Italians go it wrong early in the series they now have it right? But a distinct lack of racing over the last 2 weeks and signs of rust appearing. If Luna Rossa were to win this 7-0 then they will have done stuff all sailing over the Kiwis and now we know they'll be smooth and polished but will they have the boat speed to match the Kiwis? The Kiwis are still on another league. But never say never. And never give anything for Grant(ed) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 758 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Well that could have gone better 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dolphin65 56 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 The bigger jib on Ineos makes me think about a desperate move when you know you are slower. Can't believe the brits' weather team made the wrong call Quote Link to post Share on other sites
167149 172 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, enigmatically2 said: Well that could have gone better tomorrow is another day...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,473 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 11 minutes ago, enigmatically2 said: Well that could have gone better Not over yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sosoomii 577 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 25 minutes ago, terrafirma said: I think a click refers to a touch faster or a knot faster, 1 knot = 1 click. 2 knots = 2 clicks. Or was it used in another scenario? Yeah, but what’s wrong with bit, touch, tad, scintilla, slightly, fractionally or marginally? Or actual numbers. And I swear it was used for distance at one point too “Luna Rossa are a click ahead”. Yuck. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DayTripper 60 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 47 minutes ago, sfigone said: In race 2 when Ineos ducked, Giles was steering and BA was micro managing... "Not too early! ", "Up up up" etc. Perhaps having two trusted helms on the boat is a good thing after all. Why was Giles steering? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DayTripper 60 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 42 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: JS has said that he does know a few words in Italian, just not ones that he could use on TV. I noticed one of the interviewed Italians today had half a NZ/Oz accent in his English. Quite amusing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strider470 2,127 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, DayTripper said: I noticed one of the interviewed Italians today had half a NZ/Oz accent in his English. Quite amusing. If it was De Felice, he is living in NZ and also has the citizenship I think 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 249 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, sfigone said: It's a lot more than a bee's dick, but less than a country mile Marginally more then a poofteenth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I ride bikes 110 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Salty Seacock said: New Zealand's bike foamers need to go to The Netherlands to see how you actually form a cycle network. What we have here is straight up garbage, an embarrassment and as usual, a dollar and a day late. Cyclists shouldn't be on the same carriageway as cars at all. They should have their own path to share with e-bikes, small IC and electric scooters and other exposed and wheeled technology. The road is for cars and bicyclists should have their own space. If nothing else but, to keep the fuck out of my way. I'm faster than cars most of the time on tamaki drive Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LCS Carbon 172 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 interesting.... 10-day forecast storm tracks (both extratropical and tropical) from the GFS and EC ensembles respectively. They both go out to 15 days but they look messy out that far so limited it to 10 days. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winchfodder 328 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 18 minutes ago, DayTripper said: Why was Giles steering? Because he was on the leeward side and could judge how close to cross. Ben said dont bear away to early, but Giles did and gave away around 25 metres, maybe enough for the next right of way cross 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,124 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 16 Knots tomorrow on Course E gusting to 21 Knots. We may see some Eagle Roundings. These are supposedly the perfect Ineos conditions so if they don't win a race we'll know they will be in the shed for 3 days before the 5th race on Wednesday. Speed is one thing but they also need to find the control Luna Rossa seem to have over them? Meanwhile Luna Rossa will be getting better too. Tough gig 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 454 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 In the shed? They've measured, stuck with with they got pretty much, how much change can they make? Not like new foils, rudder, hull amendment... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 2,598 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 41 minutes ago, sosoomii said: Yeah, but what’s wrong with bit, touch, tad, scintilla, slightly, fractionally or marginally? Or actual numbers. And I swear it was used for distance at one point too “Luna Rossa are a click ahead”. Yuck. Try K or kilometers or klicks... https://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatDoesClicksMeanGuardiansGalaxy/blqnzc/amp.htm 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sosoomii 577 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 22 minutes ago, Rennmaus said: Try K or kilometers or klicks... https://www.englishforums.com/English/WhatDoesClicksMeanGuardiansGalaxy/blqnzc/amp.htm Well I suppose Ineos were nearly 2km behind in race 1! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nav 590 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, sosoomii said: Wtf is a “click”? A truly horrible and meaningless expression. Meaningless is the whole point I think - diminished responsibility/accuracy on the commentators behalf, add it to 'elbows out' as an AC36'ism......and never use it yourself Oh but they can get the margin at every mark dead on, over and over and over and over...zzzzzz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nav 590 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 https://www.facebook.com/AmericasCup/videos/124428116240165/ NO's summary 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nav 590 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 SR's interview Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ErikG 1 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Why on earth aren’t they showing proper data throughout the races for us to see? just a snippet of VMG here and there. Annoying. It’s just two boats for fucks sake. tomorrow I’ll try syncing up the main video and the port/starboard YouTube videos. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dolphin65 56 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On race 2, how did LR loose 300mt advantage in a bunch of seconds, right after passing the gate at the L4 bottom mark? Was it just for a wind shift, sailing in a "scarso" (means when your boat is suddenly in lighter wind condition, what is the English term?) or what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dolphin65 56 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Just now, ErikG said: Why on earth aren’t they showing proper data throughout the races for us to see? just a snippet of VMG here and there. Annoying. It’s just two boats for fucks sake. TVs did so, also in past cup editions. In my opinion, this is done the keep high pressure on spectators, who don't know exactly what's happening on the race course. Might be another sign that LR's VMG is constantly better than Ineos'?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marlowe 217 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 23 minutes ago, Dolphin65 said: On race 2, how did LR loose 300mt advantage in a bunch of seconds, right after passing the gate at the end of L4? Was it just for a wind shift, sailing in a "scarso" (means when your boat is suddenly in lighter wind condition, what is the English term?) or what? The gap will reduce when the leading boat starts an upwind leg because the trailing boat will still be on the downwind going faster. Also I think that was when LR made a very wide mark rounding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marlowe 217 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 8 hours ago, Priscilla said: Handbags wearing a cracker suit of sails today. LR's mainsail looks like it's tailored by ....... well, Prada. INEOS' mainsail looks like it's done by Boris Johnson's tailor. 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mozzy Sails 793 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I don't think we didn't see anything unexpected today. LR were always going to have the advantage in the light and steady. And in the medium and steady breeze INEOS need to get everything perfect and have LR make mistakes. But INEOS got some calls wrong and LR were pretty faultless. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Enjoyed seeing them race again and admit a bit surprised by outcome, LR seems very agile and well practiced but much racing ahead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dolphin65 56 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 11 minutes ago, marlowe said: The gap will reduce when the leading boat starts an upwind leg because the trailing boat will still be on the downwind going faster. Also I think that was when LR made a very wide mark rounding. God, it was reduced to 65mt.... after a couple minutes it was back to 200mt, must be a wind shift Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marlowe 217 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 29 minutes ago, Dolphin65 said: God, it was reduced to 65mt.... after a couple minutes it was back to 200mt, must be a wind shift Okay, I'll have to have another look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EYESAILOR 872 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Race 2 makes it look like LR had a speed advantage. We have to hope that Ineos did have a poor sail choice because there is not much they can do about foils and mast at this stage. Unless Ineos can level the speed then this is going to go to LR too quickly. You can win a few races with good tactics and a slower boat but ultimately the faster boat wins a series . So Im hoping there is a shift that Ineos can make otherwise this might not be very exciting. Question for the rules experts. In the unlikely scenario that Ineos wind Prada Cup but Ben acknowledges LR is a superior platform to Rita, is Ineos allowed to borrow/buy LR for he final. I recall when Dennis Connor won the defender trials in what he believed was the slower boat .....he exchanged Stars and Stripes for Young America? I imagine the protocol bans that now. Plus with all the systems, data and set up differences I suspect Team UK would be slower in LR than they are in Rita so it would never happen. Based on what I saw last night, I regretfully conclude that LR has odds in their favor, simply seemed a faster boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EYESAILOR 872 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 be interesting to see where the gains were.....in a straight line or while turning? If in a straight line, was it speed or angle/height? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
laser 173312 40 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said: Race 2 makes it look like LR had a speed advantage. We have to hope that Ineos did have a poor sail choice because there is not much they can do about foils and mast at this stage. Unless Ineos can level the speed then this is going to go to LR too quickly. You can win a few races with good tactics and a slower boat but ultimately the faster boat wins a series . So Im hoping there is a shift that Ineos can make otherwise this might not be very exciting. Question for the rules experts. In the unlikely scenario that Ineos wind Prada Cup but Ben acknowledges LR is a superior platform to Rita, is Ineos allowed to borrow/buy LR for he final. I recall when Dennis Connor won the defender trials in what he believed was the slower boat .....he exchanged Stars and Stripes for Young America? I imagine the protocol bans that now. Plus with all the systems, data and set up differences I suspect Team UK would be slower in LR than they are in Rita so it would never happen. Based on what I saw last night, I regretfully conclude that LR has odds in their favor, simply seemed a faster boat. Surely the constructed in country rule would preclude that. Stars and Stripes and Young America were both US boats, not British and Italian. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rennmaus 2,598 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 37 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said: Race 2 makes it look like LR had a speed advantage. We have to hope that Ineos did have a poor sail choice because there is not much they can do about foils and mast at this stage. Unless Ineos can level the speed then this is going to go to LR too quickly. You can win a few races with good tactics and a slower boat but ultimately the faster boat wins a series . So Im hoping there is a shift that Ineos can make otherwise this might not be very exciting. Question for the rules experts. In the unlikely scenario that Ineos wind Prada Cup but Ben acknowledges LR is a superior platform to Rita, is Ineos allowed to borrow/buy LR for he final. I recall when Dennis Connor won the defender trials in what he believed was the slower boat .....he exchanged Stars and Stripes for Young America? I imagine the protocol bans that now. Plus with all the systems, data and set up differences I suspect Team UK would be slower in LR than they are in Rita so it would never happen. Based on what I saw last night, I regretfully conclude that LR has odds in their favor, simply seemed a faster boat. As per the Deed, it would be o.k. if the Ineos crew sailed for the CVS using Luna Rossa. Not sure about the protocol requirements tho. Edit: OTOH, the RYSR would be the actual winner of the Prada Cup, so... no, no way to satisfy the CiC requirement and club representation at the same time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yoyo 166 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I found myself missing the moaning cow sounds we heard emanating from AM. It seemed to add a bit of spice/angst to an otherwise boring display of tech following a parade route. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA-WOODY 1,043 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 hours ago, EYESAILOR said: Race 2 makes it look like LR had a speed advantage. We have to hope that Ineos did have a poor sail choice because there is not much they can do about foils and mast at this stage. Unless Ineos can level the speed then this is going to go to LR too quickly. You can win a few races with good tactics and a slower boat but ultimately the faster boat wins a series . So Im hoping there is a shift that Ineos can make otherwise this might not be very exciting. Question for the rules experts. In the unlikely scenario that Ineos wind Prada Cup but Ben acknowledges LR is a superior platform to Rita, is Ineos allowed to borrow/buy LR for he final. I recall when Dennis Connor won the defender trials in what he believed was the slower boat .....he exchanged Stars and Stripes for Young America? I imagine the protocol bans that now. Plus with all the systems, data and set up differences I suspect Team UK would be slower in LR than they are in Rita so it would never happen. Based on what I saw last night, I regretfully conclude that LR has odds in their favor, simply seemed a faster boat. If Jimmie is on the wheel of the faster boat This would be the stupidest question ever Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,324 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Dolphin65 said: God, it was reduced to 65mt.... after a couple minutes it was back to 200mt, must be a wind shift It is very misleading on how the numbers are calculated and it is not always correct.. It all depends upon which angle they are sailing to the next gate and the current direction of the wind. There are times where one boat is traveling at a much faster VMG and still losing ground based on the number they are reporting. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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