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25 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

This is huge and I think both teams will get an exemption to stay in a bubble and work in the sheds. We saw Oracle do it in the AC34 go away and comeback with speed but Ineos aren't that far away but simply not sailing anywhere near the Italians especially in the starting block. 

No you can still operate just under some minor social distancing no drama. Its not a full lockdown 

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Having a race like that is why the committee was correct in postponing the race so many times. I think that the race was worth the wait.  Cheers to the Race Committee!

Semi Final Race 1 book is open - hit like for an AM win, dislike for LRPP.  Don’t sit on the fence now!

Please just stick to the facts and not your opinion.  You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how this all works.  The flu is down because of all the hand washing, social distancing, mask wearing,

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25 minutes ago, mako23 said:

Level 3 work from home, unless your an essential service. Yachting is not an essential service. The chances of a socialist government giving billionaire yacht clubs an exemption. Just imagine the Greens having a fit ....mind due I’d love to see the greens having a fit 

Nah thats level four you can still operate under L3. Work at home unless you cant. Cafes and bars can still open with social distancing 

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Covid 19 Update: Statement from America’s Cup Event Ltd

As a result of the Government announcement of a Level 3 lockdown in Auckland, initially for 72 hours, the next scheduled race day on Wednesday has been postponed and the event village will not be open to the public during this time.
America’s Cup Event Ltd will be working with the Authorities and relevant agencies over the next few days to work through the ongoing ramifications.

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46 minutes ago, mako23 said:

Is that the correct spelling couldn’t find her on pornhub 

She isn't a porn actress, she is billed as the world's hottest weather girl.

Enjoy!

 

 

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The teams trained under Level 3 last time, so should be no problem.

The weather over the next few days may be more of a problem.

I guess it gives INEOS a day or two extra to work out a solution to their predicament.

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17 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

Here what the 13 year old female thinks of our dear leader. Not my doing

 

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Should she make it that far, uni is going to be quite an awakening for this individual...

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As tough as this is for our British friends to watch this happen, we must give credit to LR.

They have shown strength in all areas of team work from designers, builders, sailors,...

 

 

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So what's the take on pre-starts at the moment?

Aggression good? Or is sliding around and dodging all confrontations ok for now - opinions seem to vary depending on who is using which tactics.

And I've said it before but here goes, Giles was wrong to tell Ben there was 'no time to go for the hook'. If it was on it would have been their best shot, there is no prize for starting at the gun - only for being first across the line ...... when coming back the other way!

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They just don't look like winning a race ATM. Jimmy and crew are just rock solid. It's almost like Jimmy went to bed doing pre-starts over and over until he had every scenario covered. Ineos spent so much time in dirty air you have to wonder how would they go if they won a start and got clear air? A click faster LR perhaps but certainly faster through the tacks. That's a technique thing that could be fixed but if your jammed out the back and locked away all the time it's proven to be almost impossible to get ahead. 

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As a result of the Government announcement of a Level 3 lockdown in Auckland, initially for 72 hours, the next scheduled race day on Wednesday has been postponed and the event village will not be open to the public during this time.
America’s Cup Event Ltd will be working with the Authorities and relevant agencies over the next few days to work through the ongoing ramifications

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4 minutes ago, nav said:

As a result of the Government announcement of a Level 3 lockdown in Auckland, initially for 72 hours, the next scheduled race day on Wednesday has been postponed and the event village will not be open to the public during this time.
America’s Cup Event Ltd will be working with the Authorities and relevant agencies over the next few days to work through the ongoing ramifications

that'll make it hard to do any more than routine work on the boats.

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3 hours ago, WetHog said:

Turns out having the design rule 8 months before your competitors is an advantage.  Imagine that. 

WetHog  :ph34r:

Come on, had Ineos won ay of the starts and it'd been surely a different story.

 

It wasn't about the boats

 

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33 minutes ago, nav said:

As a result of the Government announcement of a Level 3 lockdown in Auckland, initially for 72 hours, the next scheduled race day on Wednesday has been postponed and the event village will not be open to the public during this time.
America’s Cup Event Ltd will be working with the Authorities and relevant agencies over the next few days to work through the ongoing ramifications

2013 all over again.  Expect InEOS to emerge as a rocket ship whenever the boats race again

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4 hours ago, WetHog said:

Turns out having the design rule 8 months before your competitors is an advantage.  Imagine that. 

WetHog  :ph34r:

 

You're being a shining example of what Muricans are at their best:    Sore Looser ...

You can  SOD OFF !!!  

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20 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Question for the rules experts.

In the unlikely scenario that Ineos wind Prada Cup but Ben acknowledges LR is a superior platform to Rita,  is Ineos allowed to borrow/buy LR for he final.  I recall when Dennis Connor won the defender trials in what he believed was the slower boat .....he exchanged Stars and Stripes for Young America?

 

No, because it won't comply with the construct-in-Blighty requirement of the Deed as defined in the Protocol.

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3 hours ago, jaysper said:

Our incompetent government hard at work yet again.

Get a life Jasper!  They are young and stupid when it comes to housing (no CGT? Why not?) and having a clue about where to begin on child poverty.  But on Covid they've pretty much made all the right calls.  

Back to the sailing please.

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2 hours ago, weta27 said:

The teams trained under Level 3 last time, so should be no problem.

The weather over the next few days may be more of a problem.

I guess it gives INEOS a day or two extra to work out a solution to their predicament.

Interested in anyone's thoughts on VMG differences.  The numbers suggest that LR is winning this battle upwind and downwind notwithstanding Rita's tactical issues.  What does it take to re-mode INEOS to run deeper?  What are the trade-offs?

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10 minutes ago, Rhumline said:

Interested in anyone's thoughts on VMG differences.  The numbers suggest that LR is winning this battle upwind and downwind notwithstanding Rita's tactical issues.  What does it take to re-mode INEOS to run deeper?  What are the trade-offs?

Stuck in dirty air upwind VMG will always suffer 

second race it was a few tenths different, up and down in grubby air 

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21 minutes ago, Rhumline said:

Get a life Jasper!  They are young and stupid when it comes to housing (no CGT? Why not?) and having a clue about where to begin on child poverty.  But on Covid they've pretty much made all the right calls.  

Back to the sailing please.

Nope. They've been warned about the MIQ fiasco by many experts. It's pure luck that there haven't been a lot more leaks.

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Horse face had the mobile phone telco's send  emergency alerts to every smartphone in the country. She's completely drunk with power. No doubt when there's an actual emergency like a massive tsunami or Lake Taupo about to blow up people will ignore it. Just Cindy playing again.

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14 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Stuck in dirty air upwind VMG will always suffer 

second race it was a few tenths different, up and down in grubby air 

 But giving  way distance going around corners and starting like a knob ain’t helping 

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1 minute ago, southseasbill said:

Horse face had the mobile phone telco's send  emergency alerts to every smartphone in the country. She's completely drunk with power. No doubt when there's an actual emergency like a massive tsunami or Lake Taupo about to blow up people will ignore it. Just Cindy playing again.

Do you refer to male politicians in the same way, Big nose, Porn 'tasche, Tattoo boy, etc - or are you a misogynist?

Don't bother ...

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6 minutes ago, southseasbill said:

I have rude names for all commie twits.

But you have no clue what "commie" actually means. Your use of the word (and "socialist" as well) is a slap in the face for people who suffered under communist or socialist regimes. It is trivializing and does not do justice at all to the real implications of socialism/communism.

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10 minutes ago, southseasbill said:

I have rude names for all commie twits.

Fuck off dickhead.  This is a sailing forum.  There's probably another thread for geriatric bedwetting misogynists like you.  No where's that IGNORE button?

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When you sail a slower boat, even if slower by "a tiny click" (and deep inside, you can feel it) you take risks, you have to, because losing by 1 second or 1 minute is the same. And even being a sailing monster like Ben you can be induced to error. I don't understand why some people rush to over-criticise and blame him. Italians must not underestimate him, because we perfectly know what he is capable of. If I had two Ben in my team, one would be at the helm and one at the tactics. If I had only one I would pick a different helmsman and put Ben at the tactics where he is a master, not the contrary. I think he must understand that he cannot do everything,  being also the team boss. That's a huge task for a one man. With these thoughts I don't want to say Giles is not up to the task, but being the tactician for Ben is not easy I think, for anyone.

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Don't shoot the messenger. AC 36 as well as thousands of businesses are now under threat due to the red party ignoring expert advice for a long time. Its already changed the nature of this regatta sadly. Races will likely be sailed in different conditions than they would otherwise. Plenty of kiwis are pissed off about many events being impacted up and down the country. We all worked fucking hard to kill covid and keep open. 

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The highlight of the Press Conference was Ben saying Quote "It's a bit early to be saying......Imagine if they lost from here..!" 

Jimmy had a giggle but I'm sure it will be on the back of his mind..But could you imagine if Ben was able to reverse the roles of the AC34....! 

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27 minutes ago, captainSackSparrow said:

 

Go and shout about politics on your Facebook/ Twitter echo chamber 

Will the real Jack Sparrow please stand up..................! By the way where is the great man..............?????? :D

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27 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

Don't shoot the messenger. AC 36 as well as thousands of businesses are now under threat due to the red party ignoring expert advice for a long time. Its already changed the nature of this regatta sadly. Races will likely be sailed in different conditions than they would otherwise. Plenty of kiwis are pissed off about many events being impacted up and down the country. We all worked fucking hard to kill covid and keep open. 

So you know how this outbreak occurred? Best you contact the PM and tell her and it would save everyone a lot of wasted time trying to find out.

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31 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

Don't shoot the messenger.

No but this thread is not PA for Kiwis. How about taking your message to the Coronovirus thread?

 

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2 minutes ago, An Interested Non-Sailor said:

So you know how this outbreak occurred? Best you contact the PM and tell her and it would save everyone a lot of wasted time trying to find out.

Last outbreak in Auckland, which oddly faded away with no lockdown, occurred almost exactly the C19 incubation period ago...

This time L3 in Auckland, L2 nationally.

Something smells.

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15 minutes ago, An Interested Non-Sailor said:

So you know how this outbreak occurred? Best you contact the PM and tell her and it would save everyone a lot of wasted time trying to find out.

You need to look no further than Wynyard Quarter, where they spotted a guy with a marked British accent daubing door handles and supermarket carts with some liquid

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15 minutes ago, Nutta said:

Last outbreak in Auckland, which oddly faded away with no lockdown, occurred almost exactly the C19 incubation period ago...

This time L3 in Auckland, L2 nationally.

Something smells.

Appropriate handle you use

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51 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

Don't shoot the messenger. AC 36 as well as thousands of businesses are now under threat due to the red party ignoring expert advice for a long time. Its already changed the nature of this regatta sadly. Races will likely be sailed in different conditions than they would otherwise. Plenty of kiwis are pissed off about many events being impacted up and down the country. We all worked fucking hard to kill covid and keep open. 

Welcome to have our right wing government if you want

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6 minutes ago, I ride bikes said:

Appropriate handle you use

Well it's either been in the community undetected, or it's breached the border. We've had gold standard, platinum standard, I guess next up is plutonium standard?

Last community cases had no lockdown. This one does, which suggests our wonderful government has more worrying data they're reacting to.

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6 hours ago, Liquid Assett NZ said:

AM and Ineos are the two boats with booms LR and ETNZ dont. They seem to be able to fatten up the bottom more and have more power when need then they can flatten the sails just as well 

That wasn't what I was asking about. 

The question was did INEOS at some point in the past (before Christmas) have a mainsail without a solid boom like LR has?

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Ben hasn’t looked right since the first Prada Cup press conference. Perhaps it’s the pressure of being the principle, skipper and helm. Or having a demanding boss who is paying the bills. Or just the sheer complexity of managing the team. In my view, it’s not allowing him the freedom to do what he does best. And consequently, he’s making mistakes. That’s my 2 cents. 
 

LR are competing hard and well. Anything can happen. It’s like role reversal, JS is calm and focused and Ben looks a little lost. That said, a victory can change many factors and in particular, confidence. 

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As for these four regattas, the difference in boat speed has been negligible.
Tactics, boat handling, and mistakes make the difference at this moment.
As for engineering: I think Luna Rossa has been ahead in time because it didn't change too much between Boat 1 and Boat 2.
Luna Rossa might be the fastest boat in the low wind range, but it is not the fastest in the mid or strong winds.
On the other side, Ineos made big changes to the first boat, and also between the first regattas and the Round Robin. This is an evolution you pay in water preparation.

It might be that Ineos becomes a faster boat than Luna Rossa but it might be not on time to win. The clock is ticking.
Luna Rossa has not the best sailors of the competition on board, but they are the best trained so far. The talent of Sir Ben & co. can close this gap.

The Prada Cup is far from being closed.

The Wikis should pray to have a definitely faster boat because whoever will be their Challenger, that team will be well trained in regattas.
 

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36 minutes ago, Paddywackery said:

Ben hasn’t looked right since the first Prada Cup press conference.

I haven't watched many press conferences but there was a brief shot of him after race 3 and he looked exhausted as well as unhappy. The frequency of mistakes coming from Ineos is in contrast to the RRs, whereas LR is sailing very well. Other than in R1, I don't see much difference in boatspeed.

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6 hours ago, Priscilla said:

The Frackers need to improve on the water not in the shed.

No sailing due to the coming weather will be their biggest loss now to be further compounded by the Communist virus.

 

First time I knew bats had a political affiliation

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1 minute ago, Mozzy Sails said:

So, this is the difference, but why does it make Luna Rossa quicker?

 

I was hoping you'd have the answers :-) keep up the great work tho, loving the channel 

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it's going to be a tough one for Ineos, 4/0 down. Lots of pressure on Sir Ben, already made two mistakes at the starts, needs to win them if he wants to get a chance. On the other side, Prada looks fine, solid, Jimmy smoking under water... My concern is with the resistance of the boats. Any of them who reaches the finals will have more hours of flight under their bellies, more prone to failures... IMHO

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, jorge said:

it's going to be a tough one for Ineos, 4/0 down. Lots of pressure on Sir Ben, already made two mistakes at the starts, needs to win them if he wants to get a chance. On the other side, Prada looks fine, solid, Jimmy smoking under water... My concern is with the resistance of the boats. Any of them who reaches the finals will have more hours of flight under their bellies, more prone to failures... IMHO

 

 

 

 

 

 

I suspect the time practicing is multiples of actual race time. I do not see durability as an issue.

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7 minutes ago, Jean-Baptiste said:

I suspect the time practicing is multiples of actual race time. I do not see durability as an issue.

Practicing is not the same as racing. If conditions get nasty you´re not going to push  hard, if you´re racing you have to... Anyway, hope you get it right for the sake of competition.

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5 hours ago, chuso007 said:

Come on, had Ineos won ay of the starts and it'd been surely a different story.

 

It wasn't about the boats

 

I disagree.  LRPP had control over INEOS in every race and INEOS only closed gaps when LRPP allowed them to.  If INEOS won a start it seems clear it would only be a matter of time before LRPP got around them.  LRPPs boat is quicker and the dual helmsmen has shown to this point to be a better set up.

Also, not allowing teams to change the mod of their boat and get re-measured between races, who’s idea was that?   

Anyway, it is what it is.  AM and INEOS knew the deck was stacked against them when they entered and they did it anyway.  I don’t feel sorry for them.  I am disappointed as a fan.  So far the last race of the RRs between LRPP and INEOS has been the lone good race out of how many so far?  Only fanboys of ENTZ and LRPP think this AC has been enjoyable to watch.  

WetHog  :ph34r:

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9 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Contrarily to what was said here they are at risk to begin while the US and the rest of the world have nearly finished.

Not correct.  The US is on the down slop from the mistakes made during the holiday season, but still far from out of the woods.  Tampa and parts of Florida will have another surge.  NZ is in a very good spot.  Vaccination is the only real way to stop it.  It may require yearly vaccinations, but it will get under control....

Sorry for the drift.

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4 hours ago, strider470 said:

... If I had only one I would pick a different helmsman and put Ben at the tactics where he is a master, not the contrary. I think he must understand that he cannot do everything,  being also the team boss. That's a huge task for a one man. With these thoughts I don't want to say Giles is not up to the task, but being the tactician for Ben is not easy I think, for anyone.

I think LR have improved because there is more a great level of trust between JS and FB. On Rita we saw Giles giving advice that was not taken. On LR we hear the off side helm giving info but the guy with the wheel in hand makes them decision and then other trusts that it is correct. After one of the starts FB was asked what he thought about something and he just said he was doing his job flying the boat and trusted JS to deal with Rita! Awesome trust!

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20 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

Not correct.  The US is on the down slop from the mistakes made during the holiday season, but still far from out of the woods.  Tampa and parts of Florida will have another surge.  NZ is in a very good spot.  Vaccination is the only real way to stop it.  It may require yearly vaccinations, but it will get under control....

Sorry for the drift.

US is in sharp decline: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Florida too: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

We can notice that after about 80 000 cases per million (with an average of 500 000 test/million to compare comparable) it declines sharply. Basically you should have finished with 1 or 2 months. I would not want to live in a country that had not been exposed, no vaccine will be 100% efficient. There is no way to eradicate this virus and countries that want to do it will have lock down for each new case. How long do you want to live with that ?

Vaccines are part of the solution only,  and we are getting out of this pandemic before they are fully deployed. Want it or not we have live with viruses or we should not have born.

But you are right, let's stop the drift and go back to sailing !

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28 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

So when is the next racing day ?

If they stick to the published schedule, Wednesday in NZ. Tuesday in the US and Europe, etc.

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9 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

There was no flue this year so official covid figures are inflated. We don't know if vaccines will protect for a long time, whatever, the pandemic is nearly finished in the US. Humanity has survived with natural immunity without vaccines until about a century. The reason indians were decimated with the arrival of europeans was because they were not exposed to viruses, like NZ now.

Please just stick to the facts and not your opinion.  You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how this all works.  The flu is down because of all the hand washing, social distancing, mask wearing, etc...  That is a fact!  They do not list every sniffle or cough as Covid, it has to be confirmed with a positive test result for Covid.  That is a fact!  Covid figures are under counted because many asymptomatic people never get tested.  That is a fact!  Many vaccines require a booster shot in order to maintain immunity, that will be dealt with as needed.  That is a fact!   There are estimates that maybe 15% of the US population has had Covid, that is no where near the 80% range expected for herd immunity.  The pandemic is NOT nearly finished in the US.  That is a fact!   Would mankind have survived the last century without vaccines, most likely.  But with significant changes to our lifespan, medical costs, prosperity, etc...   And oh, just imagine how many Native Americans, Incas, Aztecs, Mayans, etc would have survived if they were vaccinated?

It is really easy to research your claims before you post them on the internet.  Just type it into your browser and see what comes up.  

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2 minutes ago, Benytoe said:

Go Luna all the way!! if they won 4 out of 7 then why do they have to keep racing?

 

It's best of 13, so first to 7

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Ineos have several problems IMO.

  1. Mainsail.  LR has something like 4-5m2 of sail right down at deck level that they can fully power up. There's nothing GB can do at this point to improve the shape around the boom.
  2. Skeg - Light Wind.  A square box is possibly the worst way to try to reduce wetted area when caught in displacement mode, and trying to take off again.
  3. Skeg - Medium+ Wind.  As expected, we've seen a CFD showing that this box shape is capable of producing significant vortices with their related drag. Of all the teams, NZ's rounded canoe-shaped bustle seems the best compromise for both take-off and aero when foiling.
  4. Crew.  BA and GS have so much gold between them they could use it as RM ballast. But sailing the AC75 requires a team where each member knows exactly what and when they need to perform. With a few extra days now up their sleeves, there's room for improvement here.

I've been a bit surprised to see GB stay close to LR's tail during some races, as I'd thought that LR could/should be a "click" faster. And at times they are, but sometimes it's almost as though LR wants GB just stuck close behind, with nowhere to really go. Tactics?

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Impressed with the run on leg 6 ( race 4, second race yesterday ) by LR.

They rounded gate 5 with a lead of approx. 400m.

Half way down the run, they extended that to almost 800m.

Glad the announcers have quit with the, " they are waiting patiently to pounce".

Time to pounce was a while ago I am afraid.

Really hope INEOs wins a few as I selfishly want this racing to go to all 13.

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2 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

US is in sharp decline: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Florida too: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

We can notice that after about 80 000 cases per million (with an average of 500 000 test/million to compare comparable) it declines sharply. Basically you should have finished with 1 or 2 months. I would not want to live in a country that had not been exposed, no vaccine will be 100% efficient. There is no way to eradicate this virus and countries that want to do it will have lock down for each new case. How long do you want to live with that ?

Vaccines are part of the solution only,  and we are getting out of this pandemic before they are fully deployed. Want it or not we have live with viruses or we should not have born.

But you are right, let's stop the drift and go back to sailing !

I see your epidemiological knowledge is as of as much value as your 'special' legal theories - well done, stay consistent.

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