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Never has mainsheet trimming been quite so complex as it now is on an AC75. Olymic Gold medalist and six time world champion, (three times in the foiling Moth), Paul Goodison explains just how complex and powerful an AC75 rig is and how he controlled it aboard American Magic.
Steve Ancsell looks back at the extraordinary Vendée Globe finish.
And as the pressure builds long the road to the America's Cup Matt Sheahan reviews what happend in the opening two days of the Prada Cup Final.
In this episode:
01:27 Vendée Globe finish
13:18 Paul Goodison on trimming by buttons
30:22 Docktalk
35:01 Prada Cup Final - Day 1 & 2 reviewed

 

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Having a race like that is why the committee was correct in postponing the race so many times. I think that the race was worth the wait.  Cheers to the Race Committee!

Semi Final Race 1 book is open - hit like for an AM win, dislike for LRPP.  Don’t sit on the fence now!

Please just stick to the facts and not your opinion.  You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how this all works.  The flu is down because of all the hand washing, social distancing, mask wearing,

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12 minutes ago, JJD said:

Sorry typo. Yes Level 2. 

Not so fast there. If your vessel is self contained as in, it has cooking facilities, a toilet and refrigerator and bed etc, you can ask the Harbour Master and Maritime Police for permission to isolate at sea. Many did this during Level 4 even and didn't have too many issues. If you're in a 6 metre fizz boat, you'll be told to stay at home. 

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36 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

Never has mainsheet trimming been quite so complex as it now is on an AC75. Olymic Gold medalist and six time world champion, (three times in the foiling Moth), Paul Goodison explains just how complex and powerful an AC75 rig is and how he controlled it aboard American Magic.
Steve Ancsell looks back at the extraordinary Vendée Globe finish.
And as the pressure builds long the road to the America's Cup Matt Sheahan reviews what happend in the opening two days of the Prada Cup Final.
In this episode:
01:27 Vendée Globe finish
13:18 Paul Goodison on trimming by buttons
30:22 Docktalk
35:01 Prada Cup Final - Day 1 & 2 reviewed

 

Great interview with Paul Goodison, well done by Mat Sheehan.

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51 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said:

Not so fast there. If your vessel is self contained as in, it has cooking facilities, a toilet and refrigerator and bed etc, you can ask the Harbour Master and Maritime Police for permission to isolate at sea. Many did this during Level 4 even and didn't have too many issues. If you're in a 6 metre fizz boat, you'll be told to stay at home. 

Shouldnt stop the racing going ahead though bro. 

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ACE's official position is February 26th, but they're still in discussions with stakeholders regarding the rest of the Prada Cup.

CoR's official position is, we don't give a shit about your Covid situation, we're here to win a damn trophy, so we're done on February 24th and we win if there's no racing until then.

Send these fucks back to Italy.

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16 minutes ago, JJD said:

Shouldnt stop the racing going ahead though bro. 

No, it shouldn't. The racing is much better on TV than in person. We've been out on our boat a couple of times now and it's near impossible to see more than the top of the sails breeze by or boats way off in the distance. The internet coverage out there is terrible on any network so, trying to stream it while you're on the water is pointless. That, with the fucking idiot visa skippers who don't no nor give a fuck about anyone but themselves makes for a nervous experience. 

The TV coverage has been excellent. I'm not into big crowds ATM so wouldn't be amoungst the ugly people turning up to the fan-zone and buying a $15 beer I can get at Pak n Save for $2 either. My recent experiences at downtown eateries has been below par and I couldn't care less about, "hospitality survivability" if racing goes ahead in level 2 or 3. If your restaurant is that close to the edge, close it now and get a real job. 

The loss of promised earnings will be measured in the hundreds of millions due to Covid in any case. 

Get the racing done and get on with it ASAP. We can only hope that AC37 will be under different circumstances. 

Because I'm a Kiwi, I'd like New Zealand to host it again and in three years. 

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4 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

ACE's official position is February 26th, but they're still in discussions with stakeholders regarding the rest of the Prada Cup.

CoR's official position is, we don't give a shit about your Covid situation, we're here to win a damn trophy, so we're done on February 24th and we win if there's no racing until then.

Send these fucks back to Italy.

I know, bunch of cunts. Wanting to play by the rules everyone agreed to. Imagine not wanting to give your opponent a break when you have them on the ropes. Sort of reminds me of a certain lay day given in San Francisco. All those bitching now wish NZ had never agreed to it. Yet now it is all dirty Italians being mean.

They can race so race. Dalts is just pissed the crowds won't be there. Fuck him, just race.

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7 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

ACE's official position is February 26th, but they're still in discussions with stakeholders regarding the rest of the Prada Cup.

CoR's official position is, we don't give a shit about your Covid situation, we're here to win a damn trophy, so we're done on February 24th and we win if there's no racing until then.

Send these fucks back to Italy.

Five people bro, ACE have really fucked this up. There is no way the Cup will stay in NZ even if ETNZ wins. TV is far more important and there were existing plans in place should NZ go to level 2 or 3. ACE just decided to change those rules. At the end of the day it will be over by the end of the weekend anyway.

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21 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

ACE's official position is February 26th, but they're still in discussions with stakeholders regarding the rest of the Prada Cup.

CoR's official position is, we don't give a shit about your Covid situation, we're here to win a damn trophy, so we're done on February 24th and we win if there's no racing until then.

Send these fucks back to Italy.

You have been duped by a press release from ACE.  LRPP don't want to win without racing. They want to win according to the pre agreed Covid plan to race behind closed doors if restrictions returned  - just as the Australian Open currently is doing.   

For some unknown reason ACE has decided to not follow that plan and have tried to paint LRPP as the bad guys for not accepting last minute changes to the agreed process for handling COVID restrictions.  Their language is outrageous: "race despite COVID" etc.   That was the agreed plan, that is what many other sports are doing.

Imagine if it was the opposite way around.  What if ACE was insisting that the pre agreed policy to race behind closed doors was followed, but LRPP were 0-4 down and demanding a delay contrary to the agreed rules.   What if Kyrgios was 2 sets down in a match at the Australian Open and also demanded a delay of a week?   You'd be in no doubt who the a-hole was then.

ACE has not said why the agreed plan to race behind closed doors is not possible.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Blah blah blah. Race 1 in Auckland in 2024 will be epic.

Well at least we will know the answer to that in the very near future...........can you see Cindy fronting up with a $100 mill in 3 months to keep ETNZ going?

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2 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

 

That boat looks so nicely dialed in these days... barely a crease, and so stable...

It also makes we wonder whether they've fully tapped it out a little too early...

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Also you guys have to imagine seeing this through Italian eyes.  I've been in Italy for the last year and we've dealt with 10s of thousands dead,  restrictions changing up and down with little notice, everybody wearing masks all the time.   Italians see the AC in Italy with no masks, few infections and few restrictions and just think it is amazing what NZ have achieved, but equally can't understand why some reasonable restrictions can't be dealt with in the case of an outbreak.... as was previously agreed by all parties!

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Just now, sfigone said:

Also you guys have to imagine seeing this through Italian eyes.  I've been in Italy for the last year and we've dealt with 10s of thousands dead,  restrictions changing up and down with little notice, everybody wearing masks all the time.   Italians see the AC in Italy with no masks, few infections and few restrictions and just think it is amazing what NZ have achieved, but equally can't understand why some reasonable restrictions can't be dealt with in the case of an outbreak.... as was previously agreed by all parties!

Exactly well said

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12 minutes ago, sfigone said:

You have been duped by a press release from ACE.  LRPP don't want to win without racing. They want to win according to the pre agreed Covid plan to race behind closed doors if restrictions returned  - just as the Australian Open currently is doing.   

For some unknown reason ACE has decided to not follow that plan and have tried to paint LRPP as the bad guys for not accepting last minute changes to the agreed process for handling COVID restrictions.  Their language is outrageous: "race despite COVID" etc.   That was the agreed plan, that is what many other sports are doing.

Imagine if it was the opposite way around.  What if ACE was insisting that the pre agreed policy to race behind closed doors was followed, but LRPP were 0-4 down and demanding a delay contrary to the agreed rules.   What if Kyrgios was 2 sets down in a match at the Australian Open and also demanded a delay of a week?   You'd be in no doubt who the a-hole was then.

ACE has not said why the agreed plan to race behind closed doors is not possible.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

They don't have a great track record when it comes to pre agreed plans. The last time they made a pre agreed plan, they turned around and said "our guy that we sent to the meeting never told us, so we didn't know it was a plan" what a coincidence that they also tried to exclude spectators then too, claiming spectators give ETNZ a home ground advantage.

If you wanna talk what ifs, what if this was in Sardinia during the peak of the Covid crisis, and ETNZ wanted to race, despite Covid-19, even though thousands were dying around them. What would you have said then? Wait, you'd say "its all a big hoax" right? 

At some stage you have to acknowledge that there are some things that are bigger than the Americas Cup. INEOS has realised this.

 

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5 minutes ago, veritas said:

Well at least we will know the answer to that in the very near future...........can you see Cindy fronting up with a $100 mill in 3 months to keep ETNZ going?

Keep dreaming...

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6 minutes ago, veritas said:

Well at least we will know the answer to that in the very near future...........can you see Cindy fronting up with a $100 mill in 3 months to keep ETNZ going?

Nah, but a certain US gaming billionaire living in NZ, and a certain Warehouse founder might.

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2 minutes ago, veritas said:

Well at least we will know the answer to that in the very near future...........can you see Cindy fronting up with a $100 mill in 3 months to keep ETNZ going?

It won't be that much. More like 10 or 15 mil. And if it's zero they'll just take the cup somewhere else. The Tourism Board spend 80 mil on advertising NZ every year so, this investment is cheap when you consider how many people watch The Cup. 

How many people stuck in their houses overseas right now are seeing people partying with no masks on and getting the impression NZ is fucking amazing.

It is.

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An announcement on Wednesday February 17 from Regatta Director Iain Murray confirmed that there will be no racing on Thursday 18 February due to “insufficient on water event support.”

That puts a line in the sand after the conflicting statements released today by the America’s Cup Event Limited and the Challenger of Record. Hopefully they can resolve their differences and resume racing on Friday.

 

https://www.livesaildie.com/prada-cup-final-update-iain-murray-says-no-racing-on-thursday/?fbclid=IwAR0ZqS4HRzmaAx0ts7wCdwfuO58qyzCAl9MRK55tTwvNRBUQq8Ri700MbSg

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1 minute ago, Forourselves said:

Nah, but a certain US gaming billionaire living in NZ, and a certain Warehouse founder might.

And they are smart enough to know where business really matters. Like Dalts said the game has changed and the Govt can't and shouldn't be involved

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2 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said:

It won't be that much. More like 10 or 15 mil. And if it's zero they'll just take the cup somewhere else. The Tourism Board spend 80 mil on advertising NZ every year so, this investment is cheap when you consider how many people watch The Cup. 

How many people stuck in their houses overseas right now are seeing people partying with no masks on and getting the impression NZ is fucking amazing.

It is.

NZ has survived very well without the AC. I live in rural NZ and no one knows it is even on........

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7 minutes ago, rh3000 said:

That boat looks so nicely dialed in these days... barely a crease, and so stable...

It also makes we wonder whether they've fully tapped it out a little too early...

Always been impressed with their sails... the shape of the main right down to deck level is bettered by none.  Don't know if they can induce as much camber at the deck as NZ can, but it sure looks great.

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Based on both LR and ACE's releases today it sounds like a government exemption is required to race in level 2 and 3.  So an agreed plan that is subject to government consent doesn't sound like much of an agreed plan ....

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"No racing due to insufficient on water management"

Maybe this will be the catch cry from ACE until February 26th. For the record, I absolutely wanna see racing, but not if its going to be half pie. All or nothing I say, not some half pie shit show like other sports are without fans. Not if an extra week of delay means we get everything.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, veritas said:

NZ has survived very well without the AC. I live in rural NZ and no one knows it is even on........

Even people in Winton are watching it. People in Whataroa are watching it. People in Greytown are watching it. You're watching it. Mudtrack cowboys and flatlanders are most likely crying about the lack of WWF on TV. 

Fuck them. 

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So ACE unilaterally decides to change previously agreed plans, foreseen to cope with exactly this situation. And for this reason Italians wanting to stick to those plans are assholes. Ok, this is anarchy, and nobody will try to stop  anyone writing  misinformed BS.  BS is for free.

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Well hey the reality is they will race on either Friday, Saturday or Sunday and it will be all over for INEOS anyway and not only do they look like cunts so will ACE. All the more reason to take it to Europe.....

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23 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

"No racing due to insufficient on water management"

Prada Cup Final Update: Iain Murray says No Racing on Thursday. An announcement on Wednesday February 17 from Regatta Director Iain Murray confirmed that there will be no racing on Thursday 18 February due to “insufficient on water event support.”

Not management Four but event support all a bit nebulous could be construed as spectators or the Frackers knees are knocking...

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Unfortunately it’s very typical of the way the Italians are carrying themselves at this regatta that they are doing this. Kings of Whinge. They are 4-0 up, have a better boat and have a far superior  chance of winning whenever it resumes. What difference does it make to them if they have to delay a week? Have some confidence for fucks sake and let it inspire some dignity rather than behaving in this petulant, childish manner. The Americas Cup is not important in the grand scheme of things.

My understanding was that the Italian team had a lot of support in Auckland since 2000. I wonder why they are trying so hard to lose that!  

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4 minutes ago, KingMonkey said:

Unfortunately it’s very typical of the way the Italians are carrying themselves at this regatta that they are doing this. Kings of Whinge. They are 4-0 up, have a better boat and have a far superior  chance of winning whenever it resumes. What difference does it make to them if they have to delay a week? Have some confidence for fucks sake and let it inspire some dignity rather than behaving in this petulant, childish manner. The Americas Cup is not important in the grand scheme of things.

My understanding was that the Italian team had a lot of support in Auckland since 2000. I wonder why they are trying so hard to lose that!  

Because they are playing by the written rules, seems pretty fair 

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This is a fight between ACE and COR, and it didn't started today. ACE is the one playing dirty throwing shit to the COR with not completely true and ad hoc press statements

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I find the LR apologists trying to make out that the pre-arranged race schedule of a sporting event is more important than national COVID restrictions fairly desperate. 
 

Sport schedules are being changed constantly due to COVID. It’s one of the conditions of it being allowed  to continue in most of the world on account of public safety being more important than playing games. 

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1 minute ago, KingMonkey said:

I find the LR apologists trying to make out that the pre-arranged race schedule of a sporting event is more important than national COVID restrictions fairly desperate. 
 

Sport schedules are being changed constantly due to COVID. It’s one of the conditions of it being allowed  to continue in most of the world on account of public safety being more important than playing games. 

Um they are being lifted tonight and sailing is hardly in a stadium, particularly on a Thursday. From day one ACE has been a complete fuck up. Have we already forgotten about Calder and Mayo and the countless accusations against ETNZ? Like I said earlier the stupid cunts at ACE will allow racing on Friday or Saturday and what will change? Nothing. Just a classic example of the AKL CC being completely inept..........

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55 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

If you wanna talk what ifs, what if this was in Sardinia during the peak of the Covid crisis, and ETNZ wanted to race, despite Covid-19, even though thousands were dying around them. What would you have said then? Wait, you'd say "its all a big hoax" right? 

What you mean like the calcio (football) that is currently playing behind closed doors?

Initially football, as with everything else was cancelled. But with planning and procedures a way was found to continue.

When you've lived through a year of this, then having some escapism via sport is helpful.

Also people here are fed up of plans changing at the last moment. The government here had been a bit too reactive, so lots of small business have been screwed when told they can open, so they hire people, but stock and then get told to close with 12 hours notice. The mood here is very much make your plans and then stick to your plans.

If football can be played behind closed doors, if Australian open can continue, if AC teams can train, then nobody here sees why they can't race... Or at least ask for the permission as was planned and let the government make the decision. ACE had unilaterally decided to try and change the plan and not even try.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, KingMonkey said:

I find the LR apologists trying to make out that the pre-arranged race schedule of a sporting event is more important than national COVID restrictions fairly desperate. 
 

Sport schedules are being changed constantly due to COVID. It’s one of the conditions of it being allowed  to continue in most of the world on account of public safety being more important than playing games. 

There are levels that dictate the severity of the emergency. Nobody thinks that sports are more important than desperate national Covid restrictions, if there will be. Here the problem is that haters follow a Forret Gump approach in their comments, with ACE showing the go haters, stop haters signs.

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12 minutes ago, KingMonkey said:

I find the LR apologists trying to make out that the pre-arranged race schedule of a sporting event is more important than national COVID restrictions fairly desperate. 
 

It's not the schedule change. They had a pre agree covid plan to ask for permission to continue behind closed doors (government could say no). ACE decided unilaterally not even to ask.

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7 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

What’s new? :) 

Prada will take whatever advantages they can, as would any other syndicate. 
 

The slightly bizarre but possible scenario is if Ineos does win this series, and then if the Match also gets delayed, if Prada would agree to any of that Match dates schedule changes despite already being eliminated? It’d put RNZYS in an, umm, interesting position as the Deed’s Fiduciary. Read that language, it gets wild. 

I thought once the COR is eliminated, the next challenger in order of receipt becomes COR? 

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2 minutes ago, sfigone said:

Also people here are fed up of plans changing at the last moment. The government here had been a bit too reactive, so lots of small business have been screwed when told they can open, so they hire people, but stock and then get told to close with 12 hours notice. The mood here is very much make your plans and then stick to your plans.

If football can be played behind closed doors, if Australian open can continue, if AC teams can train, then nobody here sees why they can't race... Or at least ask for the permission as was planned and let the government make the decision. ACE had unilaterally decided to try and change the plan and not even try.

 

 

FFS. This is why NZ has the virus largely under control while other countries are suffering. Because they can't put their selfish interests behind them in the name of saving lives.

Look at the Australian Open, those players are bitching about having to go through quarantine, saying they don't wanna play anymore because quarantine upsets their preparation. I say fuck them.

Luna Rossa have already tried once to exclude spectators. It failed. This is the second time they're trying it.

Covid is far more important than their little quest for the AC.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, sfigone said:

It's not the schedule change. They had a pre agree covid plan to ask for permission to continue behind closed doors (government could say no). ACE decided unilaterally not even to ask.

Surely you're okay with the HVA too then? After all, thats what ACE is trying to uphold.

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Ummmhum.

Then wait till ETNZ is behind a race or two in the Cup, some fraternizing quarantine guard or undertested laundry worker gets covid and goes shopping all weekend,  NZ goes back to 3 in Auckland, and the Cup postponements take it past the deadline. Gonna hand it over to the other team cuz they are ahead and time ran out? Didn't  think so. 

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41 minutes ago, KingMonkey said:

...My understanding was that the Italian team had a lot of support in Auckland since 2000. I wonder why they are trying so hard to lose that!  

Not any more...

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16 minutes ago, sfigone said:

Also people here are fed up of plans changing at the last moment.

That's the nature of the pandemic. Outbreaks occur, plans have to change. There's no getting around this. That LR are rigidly locking themselves into a fixed timetable, is a bit fucked. You should be adaptable because situations change. I'm sure if they were down 4 nil, they'd be open to a revised schedule. Playing hardball like they are, is fucked, and they deserve the criticism.

FWIW, I don't think the Aussie Open should have gone ahead. Putting the country at risk for a fucking tennis tournament.

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4 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

FFS. This is why NZ has the virus largely under control while other countries are suffering. Because they can't put their selfish interests behind them in the name of saving lives.

So NZ and Australia don't prioritized sport over Covid?

I'm an Australian who had spent a year stranded in a Covid hot spot because my government can't organise a pissup in a brewery. Yet tennis players, AC sailors and government politicians can travel???

The AC is only happening because sport was given some exemptions by the NZ government that the rest of us don't get.... and only now you cry foul?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Ummmhum.

Then wait till ETNZ is behind a race or two in the Cup, some fraternizing quarantine guard or undertested laundry worker gets covid and goes shopping all weekend,  NZ goes back to 3 in Auckland, and the Cup postponements take it past the deadline. Gonna hand it over to the other team cuz they are ahead and time ran out? Didn't  think so. 

There are no cup postponements. The match will go on until its won.

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1 hour ago, rh3000 said:

That boat looks so nicely dialed in these days... barely a crease, and so stable...

It also makes we wonder whether they've fully tapped it out a little too early...

March 6th will show whether it's all hat and no cattle, as our Wild West NH friends say.

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So NZ and Australia don't prioritized sport over Covid?

I'm an Australian who had spent a year stranded in a Covid hot spot because my government can't organise a pissup in a brewery. Yet tennis players, AC sailors and government politicians can travel???

The AC is only happening because sport was given some exemptions by the NZ government that the rest of us don't get.... and only now you cry foul?

 

 

FFS. It is a human right to be able to get home in a time of crisis.

If you're an Aussie, go back to Aussie. Ex-pat Kiwi's are coming home every day from every where! How the fuck do you think the virus is getting in!?

You're right, the AC is happening because teams were granted exemptions. But its also happening because Kiwi's here in NZ sacrificed to allow events to happen!

You wanna go home, go home. Nothing is stopping you, unless you can't afford to pay for quarantine, then thats your problem.

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21 minutes ago, sfigone said:

It's not the schedule change. They had a pre agree covid plan to ask for permission to continue behind closed doors (government could say no). ACE decided unilaterally not even to ask.

They also had a pre agreed plan when it came to the restrictions proposed by the Ports of Auckland in terms of course access. Until LR turned around and said "We didn't agree to anything" until it was found that they DID agree to it, so then said "our guy must not have told us that cos we don't remember" 

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2 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

You wanna go home, go home. Nothing is stopping you, unless you can't afford to pay for quarantine, then thats your problem.

Yeah that's the problem. Lack of will power is causing flights to get cancelled and quotas on arrivals.  You've understood perfectly

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2 hours ago, Forourselves said:

ACE's official position is February 26th, but they're still in discussions with stakeholders regarding the rest of the Prada Cup.

CoR's official position is, we don't give a shit about your Covid situation, we're here to win a damn trophy, so we're done on February 24th and we win if there's no racing until then.

Send these fucks back to Italy.

Quite a while ago, shortly after I joined this forum I started taking a kinder gentler position on your posts, however with this one:

 

Please by all means, do FUCK OFF AND DIE.

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22 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Ummmhum.

Then wait till ETNZ is behind a race or two in the Cup, some fraternizing quarantine guard or undertested laundry worker gets covid and goes shopping all weekend,  NZ goes back to 3 in Auckland, and the Cup postponements take it past the deadline. Gonna hand it over to the other team cuz they are ahead and time ran out? Didn't  think so. 

The rules say the match continues until one of them gets to 7. As far as I recall, there is no date limit on the actual AC match.

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My take would be that whilst a short postponement of, say, a week or two might be possible, it clearly isn’t practical to delay indefinitely or repeatedly.  Yes, it would anticlimatic to end the Prada Cup early but LR have earned their lead so would be worthy winners if it came to it. 

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2 minutes ago, sosoomii said:

My take would be that whilst a short postponement of, say, a week or two might be possible, it clearly isn’t practical to delay indefinitely or repeatedly.  Yes, it would anticlimatic to end the Prada Cup early but LR have earned their lead so would be worthy winners if it came to it. 

It will start again on Friday and end on Saturday. 5 people have C19 for fucks sake and 24 have died........enough

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Like I said the other day, a hot mess at 99.9 degrees now. 

As a kiwi ETNZ supporter, frankly the CSS ultimately doesn't concern the team, someone is turning up to race us regardless, and it's up to the COR to sort out who. So the balls in LR's court. 

If they want to be seen to be dicks and seize an opportunity to advantage themselves, go for it I say. The consequences of this may play out a long way into the future. Having railed against LE and Co. for stacking the deck and cultured an image of being  sporting gentleman, they risk being tarred with the same brush. 

If they lose to ETNZ they will be last cab off the rank as COR. 

They were offered an opportunity to make a reasonable concession and said no thanks. Is it any coincidence BB is fronting and arguing their case on TV tonight. 

IM has now said they can't race tomorrow due to logistical reasons. If this keeps happening then LR get their way. If they do race and lose then there will be "moons" of all colours all the way to the airport. If they win racing from Friday they will forever be seen as the rich cunts who insisted on racing in the middle of an outbreak and JS will once again be the least popular Australian in NZ. 

Finally, just for completeness imagine a couple of LR crew getting covid due to undetected cases, and the team being put into isolation. Ineos ghost race into the match...  That's the whole thing a delay is supposed to mitigate. 

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22 minutes ago, southseasbill said:

The rules say the match continues until one of them gets to 7. As far as I recall, there is no date limit on the actual AC match.

From the schedule in the match conditions:

Reserve days
Tuesday 9 March
May be used as a Race Day if the Regatta Director so decides (after consultation with the Competitors) due to the Match being behind schedule after the first two Race Days on 6 and 7 March.

Monday 15 March to Sunday 21 March (incl)
If the Match is not completed prior to 15 March then racing will continue every day until completion

So it seems the limit is COB 21 March. 

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3 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

Like I said the other day, a hot mess at 99.9 degrees now. 

As a kiwi ETNZ supporter, frankly the CSS ultimately doesn't concern the team, someone is turning up to race us regardless, and it's up to the COR to sort out who. So the balls in LR's court. 

If they want to be seen to be dicks and seize an opportunity to advantage themselves, go for it I say. The consequences of this may play out a long way into the future. Having railed against LE and Co. for stacking the deck and cultured an image of being  sporting gentleman, they risk being tarred with the same brush. 

If they lose to ETNZ they will be last cab off the rank as COR. 

They were offered an opportunity to make a reasonable concession and said no thanks. Is it any coincidence BB is fronting and arguing their case on TV tonight. 

IM has now said they can't race tomorrow due to logistical reasons. If this keeps happening then LR get their way. If they do race and lose then there will be "moons" of all colours all the way to the airport. If they win racing from Friday they will forever be seen as the rich cunts who insisted on racing in the middle of an outbreak and JS will once again be the least popular Australian in NZ. 

Finally, just for completeness imagine a couple of LR crew getting covid due to undetected cases, and the team being put into isolation. Ineos ghost race into the match...  That's the whole thing a delay is supposed to mitigate. 

Why are you so ignorant. ACE and the Challengers AGREED to plan in the event of Covid level 2 and 3. ACE broke it. What is so fucking hard to understand?????

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2 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

 .... If this keeps happening then LR get their way. If they do race and lose then there will be "moons" of all colours all the way to the airport. If they win racing from Friday they will forever be seen as the rich ***** who insisted on racing in the middle of an outbreak and JS will once again be the least popular Australian in NZ. 

All the teams are racing in the middle of a pandemic! They have all received special treatment after special pleading.   LRPP have not insisted on racing in the middle of an outbreak, they have just said that the agreement to ask for permission to race behind closed doors should be followed.  If the outbreak is bad, or there is a risk then the authorities can just say no and there will be no racing.

All the teams are out there sailing at the moment, yet the haters just want to put it all on LRPP as the team that is putting everybody at risk?!?!?

 

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1 minute ago, RobG said:

From the schedule in the match conditions:

Reserve days
Tuesday 9 March
May be used as a Race Day if the Regatta Director so decides (after consultation with the Competitors) due to the Match being behind schedule after the first two Race Days on 6 and 7 March.

Monday 15 March to Sunday 21 March (incl)
If the Match is not completed prior to 15 March then racing will continue every day until completion

So it seems the limit is COB 21 March. 

THE MATCH is between the winner of the Prada Cup and ETNZ.....

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1 hour ago, sfigone said:

Also people here are fed up of plans changing at the last moment

Let me put it more succinctly for you

"I am an overentitled, overpriveliged twat who is very disappointed at the intrusion into my life of reality which I believed I had paid to avoid"

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35 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

They also had a pre agreed plan when it came to the restrictions proposed by the Ports of Auckland in terms of course access. Until LR turned around and said "We didn't agree to anything" until it was found that they DID agree to it, so then said "our guy must not have told us that cos we don't remember" 

Man you have lost it, LR wanted access to use course B and C for the Prada Cup not just the AC. Without that racing in the stadium this far it would of been pretty average. Their argument was lost on people with lower intellect like yourself who believe all the ETNZ hype that it was use it all the time or none of the time. Easy decision. Walah! Harbourmaster changed his mind. And yet you still can't figure it out. Dumb cunt.

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1 hour ago, KingMonkey said:

I find the LR apologists trying to make out that the pre-arranged race schedule of a sporting event is more important than national COVID restrictions fairly desperate. 

I don't agree.

As of NZ midnight Auckland moves to level 2. Here are the rules for level 2. https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-system/alert-level-2/ and I can see nothing that would stop racing going ahead. For instance:

Exercise, sport and recreation

You can do your usual exercise and recreation activities, if you can do them safely.

Professional leagues can go ahead at Alert Level 2 because they take place in controlled workplaces.

 

As far as the AC village goes, that might be limited. Well, the village isn't needed for the racing to go ahead. 

Event facilities at Alert Level 2

Event facilities can operate at Alert Level 2.

Event facilities can have up to 100 people within any defined space. They also need to assess how many people can safely be inside the premises and still maintain 1 metre physical distancing. This could mean the facility needs to have fewer than 100 people in a defined space.

 

Really, alert level 2 is pretty much a non-event. It isn't remotely as restrictive as the rules operating in most other countries, including the UK and Italy. I support NZ's desire to suppress the UK variant, however they have decided what is needed for that and it is level 2.

I don't like LR very much. In particular I don't like Sirena, Bertelli or Spithill. On this occasion however,  they are right. Racing can go ahead, should go ahead, the Covid contingency was already planned for and  there is no reason not to follow the plan.

 

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5 minutes ago, veritas said:

Why are you so ignorant. ACE and the Challengers AGREED to plan in the event of Covid level 2 and 3. ACE broke it. What is so fucking hard to understand?????

Yes they may have. But the host and Government suggested a measly week delay. LR said no. Pretty fucking arrogant attitude. But each to their own. There's a bigger picture is all I am saying. See how worked up everyone is getting. We will cheerfully beat them next month whatever they do. At least we have something juicy to argue about finally. 

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The event and teams seem to have agreed a contingency plan for this situation, so I can see LR frustration at that not being enacted. They would be favourites to win whether there is a delay or not. But a delay substantially cuts down on their modification time. Their boat is essentially in an upgrade freeze whilst this event carries on and the longer that goes on the bigger disadvantage they would have in the match over a kiwi team who are free to develop daily. 

I've sailed a few events where I've had a terrible start, then missed further race days and never had a chance to 'fight back'. It's not new in sailing. 

Usually championships have a minimum race number to award the title to preserve the integrity of the event, but after that has been met, you are never guaranteed the full schedule. 

It would be horrible for INEOS, and I do think they are better than the score line suggests. But, that's sailing, that's life. 

 

The flip side is, ETNZ and their NZ backers want to extract the value from hosting events. That's hard achieve in lockdown. Secondly, no matter what contingency was agreed, things are always a bit different in reality. It sounds like Iain Murray is suggesting they are down on on the water support. If you are relying on volunteers can you really expect them to turn out in a lockdown just because you have. Thirdly, the 'mood'. This is hard to measure when writing a contingency plan and maybe ETNZ don't fancy their reputation.

Lastly, whilst I sympathise with LR, it's another PR own goal. Maybe they just don't give a shit about PR. Like a lot of their protests / wrangling, they are technically right but in context can seem petty. Moaning about not doing a yacht race when the city and country have their hard fought freedom threatened by a new covid strain... well. 

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Look. It's as simple as this. It's super light these next few days in Auckland. ETNZ and INEOS obviously have a agenda and don't want to have racing proceed in the conditions that don't suit INEOS. SIMPLE. AS. THAT. 

The Royal NZ Yacht Squadren are open tomorrow and are having Elliot 7 series racing. Yet the AC team that represents them are claiming it's not possible suddenly. Even with a pre agreed raised covid alert protocol.

It's not about the Covid. It's the wind and a £200 million campaign which would love to be the next COR. Wake up people.

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1 minute ago, Mozzy Sails said:

The event and teams seem to have agreed a contingency plan for this situation, so I can see LR frustration at that not being enacted. They would be favourites to win whether there is a delay or not. But a delay substantially cuts down on their modification time. Their boat is essentially in an upgrade freeze whilst this event carries on and the longer that goes on the bigger disadvantage they would have in the match over a kiwi team who are free to develop daily. 

I've sailed a few events where I've had a terrible start, then missed further race days and never had a chance to 'fight back'. It's not new in sailing. 

Usually championships have a minimum race number to award the title to preserve the integrity of the event, but after that has been met, you are never guaranteed the full schedule. 

It would be horrible for INEOS, and I do think they are better than the score line suggests. But, that's sailing, that's life. 

 

The flip side is, ETNZ and their NZ backers want to extract the value from hosting events. That's hard achieve in lockdown. Secondly, no matter what contingency was agreed, things are always a bit different in reality. It sounds like Iain Murray is suggesting they are down on on the water support. If you are relying on volunteers can you really expect them to turn out in a lockdown just because you have. Thirdly, the 'mood'. This is hard to measure when writing a contingency plan and maybe ETNZ don't fancy their reputation.

Lastly, whilst I sympathise with LR, it's another PR own goal. Maybe they just don't give a shit about PR. Like a lot of their protests / wrangling, they are technically right but in context can seem petty. Moaning about not doing a yacht race when the city and country have their hard fought freedom threatened by a new covid strain... well. 

Well said and love your Youtube stuff. Well spotted on the ETNZ rudder, I think you were the first to notice it.......

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5 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

the host and Government suggested a measly week delay

To be clear, they did this after the U.K. variant of COVID showed up in NZ. You can forgive NZ gov for being a little paranoid about this if you look at U.K. COVID stats for the past two months. 

The question LR fans should be asking is: what is the problem? What difference does a week make to their team? 

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2 minutes ago, KingMonkey said:

The question LR fans should be asking is: what is the problem? What difference does a week make to their team? 

Maybe a week in boat developement before the AC match? Should they beat INEOS of course.

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1 minute ago, KingMonkey said:

You can forgive NZ gov for being a little paranoid about this if you look at U.K. COVID stats for the past two months. 

Yes, however their paranoia is calibrated to alert level 2 from midnight. Which allows racing to proceed, both in terms of its rules and in terms of the arrangements previously agreed for this contingency.

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3 minutes ago, KingMonkey said:

To be clear, they did this after the U.K. variant of COVID showed up in NZ. You can forgive NZ gov for being a little paranoid about this if you look at U.K. COVID stats for the past two months. 

The question LR fans should be asking is: what is the problem? What difference does a week make to their team? 

This is too hard, they were ALL out sailing today during a lockdown. In 90 minutes there isn't................

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10 minutes ago, sfigone said:

All the teams are racing in the middle of a pandemic! They have all received special treatment after special pleading.   LRPP have not insisted on racing in the middle of an outbreak, they have just said that the agreement to ask for permission to race behind closed doors should be followed.  If the outbreak is bad, or there is a risk then the authorities can just say no and there will be no racing.

All the teams are out there sailing at the moment, yet the haters just want to put it all on LRPP as the team that is putting everybody at risk?!?!?

 

They are seen as insisting on racing in the middle of an outbreak, in a country that made it safe and welcoming for sports teams in the middle of a pandemic . The numbers are small but it's the UK variant and nobody knows where it came from. NZ is rolling the dice a little easing restrictions but we aren't clear yet. Which is why the suggestion of a delay was offered. It was swiftly put down by LR. Imagine how people would be talking about them now if they had made a minor concession. I would be cheering for them. But not now. BTW I don't hate LR, just question their judgement. I am disappointed it has soured what was shaping up as a great event

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with no horse in this race, I find the disdain for LRPP here wanting to race a bit weird. Sure the delay could help Ineos maybe find some secret sauce but they need to win 7 of the next 9 races anyway.

 

The teams are all out sailing currently anyway.

To add just rescue boats, marklaying and tv is not a huge addition.

Keep it closed course and everyone watches on TV.

Maybe I'm missing something but i don't see the increased covid transmission risk - sailing is a social bubble sport already.

 

 

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