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Based in Oakland - I have a rear wheel drive sports car with summer tires and want to spend a few hours sliding around on relatively safe frozen track, parking lot. Want to fly my drone and film myself doing it - where would you recommend I go within 750 miles. Obviously closer is better.

I want more space than this.

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5 hours ago, El Borracho said:

Easy solution: get a life.

In the measure of things - as worthwhile as some bullshit IOR dinosaur rebuild, purchasing 50k in one season race sails or a 3 day weekend hotel hole up with viagra, fresh young whores and ziplock of blow.

We all get our kicks - this one is comparatively harmless to ones health and environment than those stated above.  In my estimation much more sustainable too.

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16 hours ago, Black Jack said:

Based in Oakland - I have a rear wheel drive sports car with summer tires and want to spend a few hours sliding around on relatively safe frozen track, parking lot. Want to fly my drone and film myself doing it - where would you recommend I go within 750 miles. Obviously closer is better.

I want more space than this.

https://youtu.be/LefLOxyJaCE

Sorry, can't help you with your first world problem...  :D

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18 hours ago, Black Jack said:

Based in Oakland - I have a rear wheel drive sports car with summer tires and want to spend a few hours sliding around on relatively safe frozen track, parking lot. Want to fly my drone and film myself doing it - where would you recommend I go within 750 miles. Obviously closer is better.

I want more space than this.

https://youtu.be/LefLOxyJaCE

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a34762597/mclaren-600lt-team-oneil-rally-school-drifting/

Photog is a friend. Have fun!

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Hope you don't damage your nice rear wheel drive sports car. Driving on ice is nothing like driving on wet roads, or even snowy roads. Those of us who grew up driving on ice/snow covered ice avoid it unless abso-fucking-lutely life or death necessary.

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You want thrills? Go to a north Midwest city and hit the roads before the plows and salt trucks hit the roads.
 

Anyone can do donuts in a 100 acre parking lot, do them without hitting other cars, curbs, street signs...Now that’s a test of ones skill.

Even better. Speed up at the bottom of entrance ramps in rush hour. Maybe you wind up heading in the direction you are meant to, maybe not. That’s the real thrill. Sliding backwards while you face traffic coming right at you. Classic stuff there.  

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3 hours ago, Black Jack said:

In the measure of things - as worthwhile as a 3 day weekend hotel hole up with viagra, fresh young whores and ziplock of blow.

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Lets not get carried away here.

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25 minutes ago, Rum Runner said:

I know there are some car clubs near Denver that do ice time trials. Not too far west of Denver. Much depends on the weather.

Georgetown. Nothing better to do in that gawd forsaken town.

 

45 minutes ago, Dorado said:

Wtf is with all this humbuggery ?

Sounds like fun to me. Hamster, May, and Clarkson do this all the time. 

I agree, it's fun. Used to take my moms mercury station wagon land yacht to the mall parking lot.

 

Of course all the naysayers would consider it cool if it was a chained up F1 car. (skip the first 2:15 or so)

 

Or Ken Block

 

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This will be no help at all to the OP but what the hey?

The New Meadows Ice Racing Assn. was a thing every winter around here for a lot of years. Unfortunately the lakes haven't frozen hard enough to support racing for 6 or 7 years now.

http://www.velocissima.com/archive/Newsletters/2002/02/ice.htm

Facebook link with more pics here

I first happened upon them about 18 years ago, driving home the back way after picking up some beer at the store. Passing the New Meadows River I noticed some guys out fooling around on the ice and turned back to check it out. It was about 10F, sunny, late afternoon with a lovely 6 inch layer of powder on the river ice and the club had just plowed the track for tomorrow's racing. I asked someone if I could take some laps and was told in no uncertain terms 'Hell yes!'

The course was as described in the link above and I was driving an empty Chevy 2WD PU with all seasons on it.

What amazing fun it was! I probably never exceeded about 45 MPH and spun out into every corner possible, sometimes even spinning out on the straights. The feeling of coming to a stop gently in a soft snow bank with no damage was just the right incentive to push too hard all the way around.

I went out on the course the next day after the races with everyone using studded tires and it wasn't nearly as pleasant or fun. Those tires really chew the ice up!

I highly recommend getting out on fresh ice and getting silly if you have a chance.

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10 hours ago, Black Jack said:

...or a 3 day weekend hotel hole up with viagra, fresh young whores and ziplock of blow.

Thought provoking. Wouldn’t think about driving a car on ice for a second, but this will be with me all day. Thanks.

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10 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Hope you don't damage your nice rear wheel drive sports car. Driving on ice is nothing like driving on wet roads, or even snowy roads. Those of us who grew up driving on ice/snow covered ice avoid it unless abso-fucking-lutely life or death necessary.

Speak for yourself.  AWD, snow tires, no computer inference, and the right pieces of pavement is a blast.

Throwing a one ton pickup around full of gadgets is annoying and a hassle.  Knowing how to handle a vehicle and massage it back into shape are good skills to have when shit goes fucky like when a deer or kid hops out in front of you.  Might mean the difference between creating more problems or saying, "dang, that was close".

 

 

This place is getting so dramatic.

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My kids laughed till they cried one night not long ago in my truck spinning donuts on ice. I disabled the traction control and went nuts in a huge convention center parking lot. It was fun as hell. 

One  of my favorite things to do with drones is chase cars, boats, bikes, RC planes and other drones. I even chase horses with riders. Good fun and great video.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Willin' said:

This will be no help at all to the OP but what the hey?

The New Meadows Ice Racing Assn. was a thing every winter around here for a lot of years. Unfortunately the lakes haven't frozen hard enough to support racing for 6 or 7 years now.

http://www.velocissima.com/archive/Newsletters/2002/02/ice.htm

Facebook link with more pics here

I first happened upon them about 18 years ago, driving home the back way after picking up some beer at the store. Passing the New Meadows River I noticed some guys out fooling around on the ice and turned back to check it out. It was about 10F, sunny, late afternoon with a lovely 6 inch layer of powder on the river ice and the club had just plowed the track for tomorrow's racing. I asked someone if I could take some laps and was told in no uncertain terms 'Hell yes!'

That scene was seriously fun. I miss the ice. 

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6 hours ago, Willin' said:

This will be no help at all to the OP but what the hey?

The New Meadows Ice Racing Assn. was a thing every winter around here for a lot of years. Unfortunately the lakes haven't frozen hard enough to support racing for 6 or 7 years now.

http://www.velocissima.com/archive/Newsletters/2002/02/ice.htm

Facebook link with more pics here

I first happened upon them about 18 years ago, driving home the back way after picking up some beer at the store. Passing the New Meadows River I noticed some guys out fooling around on the ice and turned back to check it out. It was about 10F, sunny, late afternoon with a lovely 6 inch layer of powder on the river ice and the club had just plowed the track for tomorrow's racing. I asked someone if I could take some laps and was told in no uncertain terms 'Hell yes!'

The course was as described in the link above and I was driving an empty Chevy 2WD PU with all seasons on it.

What amazing fun it was! I probably never exceeded about 45 MPH and spun out into every corner possible, sometimes even spinning out on the straights. The feeling of coming to a stop gently in a soft snow bank with no damage was just the right incentive to push too hard all the way around.

I went out on the course the next day after the races with everyone using studded tires and it wasn't nearly as pleasant or fun. Those tires really chew the ice up!

I highly recommend getting out on fresh ice and getting silly if you have a chance.

 

Back when I was a teenager and had a 66 Morris Mini Cooper S, ex SCCA class C Sedan race car that I made into a street car, a mate and I acquired a bunch of Mini spare parts from a Canadian ice racing Mini.  My favorite memento of those parts, was a Piper Cub Dash plaque that read, "Intentional Spinning Prohibited".....

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20 hours ago, chinabald said:

You want thrills? Go to a north Midwest city and hit the roads before the plows and salt trucks hit the roads.
 

Anyone can do donuts in a 100 acre parking lot, do them without hitting other cars, curbs, street signs...Now that’s a test of ones skill.

Even better. Speed up at the bottom of entrance ramps in rush hour. Maybe you wind up heading in the direction you are meant to, maybe not. That’s the real thrill. Sliding backwards while you face traffic coming right at you. Classic stuff there.  

The one and only interstate accident I ever had was due to ice/snow/slush.  Was doing 65-70mph(in a 65) and crested a small hill.  At the bottom of the hill was an on ramp.  Top of the hill clear roads .  Bottom of the hill was all slush and traffic merging on at less than 30mph.  I had a few hundred feet to stop down hill on slush.  I know I did at least a 520 spin before hitting the snow bank on the side of the road.  Amazingly didn't hit anyone else.  And after a few seconds of heavy breathing and orienting myself I realized I could just due a u turn and start moving again.  

 

(Now you ask how could one side of the hill be slushy and the other dry? First upstate NY the lake effect moves across in bands a couple of miles wide.  And driving down route 81 you could see 3-4 different weather patterns in 3-5 minutes ( or miles apart).  Also the town and state used that ramp for their plows and always had different conditions on each side of it 

Not sure where in oakland you can spin like that.  It can be fun if done safely. But that is easier said than done 

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https://drive.dirtfish.com/

Any time of year.

Use someone else's cars.

I rented a Ferrari in Las Vegas for track laps and it was a hoot.  Renting the cars is the way to go.

That said, it sure is fun to goof off in an empty parking lot in the snow.  Cheap and reasonably risk free fun.  If you can turn off all the electronic minders as pointed out above.

Have fun @Black Jack  Let us know how it goes.

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I've never driven a rwd, rear engine vehicle on slippery conditions.  I bet with the weight being distributed as it is, that would be a serious challenge to do well.

AWD is a cakewalk.  Point and apply throttle until you dig enough to get enough energy going the direction you want things to go.

REALLY icyy roads, it become more like thrust vectoring than driving.

 

Last couple days here have been the conditions you want.  It was warm (above freezing), it started raining.  Then it dropped to zero Fahrenheit, and snowed.  The base is slippery, but also kinda chunky, so there's grip there, but not much.

 

The ice storm shit, where you come to a complete stop, then the wind pushes your vehicle to the shoulder is a pain in ass, and not very good for screwing around.

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On 12/25/2020 at 6:21 AM, Black Jack said:

In the measure of things - as worthwhile as some bullshit IOR dinosaur rebuild, purchasing 50k in one season race sails or a 3 day weekend hotel hole up with viagra, fresh young whores and ziplock of blow.

We all get our kicks - this one is comparatively harmless to ones health and environment than those stated above.  In my estimation much more sustainable too.

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If you really want to have fun, do it with a rear-wheel drive vehicle that is way too front heavy, but with a reasonably low center of gravity, like an old Buick. Anyone who doesn't like sliding around on ice with a few hundred horses under the hood, has never tried it. I bet it would be a lot of fun on a frozen lake, best of luck finding that. I used to do it in the old gravel quarry parking lot when I was a kit, it had bad draining, and it was like a big ungroomed skating rink in  February. So much fun.

Bring something to pull you out, or inevitably the car finds a ditch that RWD can't manage. Traction boards work great. Even the roll-up kind are good, https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/snow-joe-rubber-trackassist-car-tire-traction?a=2168159&szc=000&clrc=000&pm2d=CSE-SPG-15-PLA&utm_medium=PLA&utm_source=Google&utm_campaign=CI&gclid=Cj0KCQiA_qD_BRDiARIsANjZ2LAej-DFUxX_9J18g8wUz00KjdtDBqe6PsyP1c1N9Jht0gTt8DzCuVYaAuK2EALw_wcB

BTW, that old frozen parking lot was the Colorado equivalent to mudding in the summer. Lots of Colorado rednecks, lots of Mexican beer, lots of cheap fun.

 

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On 12/25/2020 at 7:23 PM, Hatin' life said:

Speak for yourself.  AWD, snow tires, no computer inference, and the right pieces of pavement is a blast.

Throwing a one ton pickup around full of gadgets is annoying and a hassle.  Knowing how to handle a vehicle and massage it back into shape are good skills to have when shit goes fucky like when a deer or kid hops out in front of you.  Might mean the difference between creating more problems or saying, "dang, that was close".

 

 

This place is getting so dramatic.

It's true.

Earlier in the year, I blew up the engine on my Polaris sled, and I had to leave it up on the pass to get it later. So I was forced to drive home without the weight of my sled in the bed. The pavement was dry until all of a sudden it wasn't, my RWD truck with no weight in the bed then decided to pull ass before tits and I'm on the interstate doing donuts. Scary. But I had the chops from doing them for fun a few decades earlier, and I was able to "massage" it back before I went over the side into Clear Creek.

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23 hours ago, Black Jack said:

Thank you for your input and encouragement.

Here is a sample of video that i shot yesterday which I hope will only get better.

 

 

It looks like they are finally getting the museum together there at North Field. That Shorts in the background used to be in a pile of other planes waiting restoration years ago.

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West Yellowstone, Montana.  They don't plow the roads, they just drive over the snow.  I've spent many Thanksgiving weeks there and always find time to drift down one street or another.  Donuts in the dead end by the McDonalds...etc.  I think a lot of it has to do with the snowmobiles that love to congregate there but we can all enjoy it.  

 

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And if you can't find ice thick enough to race cars on, there's always this...

 

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On 2/3/2021 at 10:13 AM, Willin' said:

And if you can't find ice thick enough to race cars on, there's always this...

 

I have one of those

less yuppy tho

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17 minutes ago, DA-WOODY said:

I have one of those

less yuppy tho

Didja notice all the hot, scantilly clad catamounts?

That's Maineglish for cougar.

Dago ain't gots nuttin' on us!

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On 12/27/2020 at 9:47 AM, Black Jack said:

Thank you for your input and encouragement.

Here is a sample of video that i shot yesterday which I hope will only get better.

 

 

I'm not a Porsche fan, but you did a really good job with that video, the 996 folks will likely watch and rewatch it.

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On 12/25/2020 at 8:21 AM, Black Jack said:

In the measure of things - as worthwhile as some bullshit IOR dinosaur rebuild, purchasing 50k in one season race sails or a 3 day weekend hotel hole up with viagra, fresh young whores and ziplock of blow.

We all get our kicks - this one is comparatively harmless to ones health and environment than those stated above.  In my estimation much more sustainable too.

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hehehe I did pretty much the same thing with my 29' Class C RV in a lightly snow covered Walmart parking lot in Grand Junction CO. breakin em loose with a dually was fun!

I just wish I'd had a drone to film it!

I don't quite get the humbuggery either.. go for it.. 

and You can probably get a deal on some used rocket equipment when yer ready for the big leagues!!

 

go have whatever fun ya wanna have with your car

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On 12/25/2020 at 8:29 AM, Mrleft8 said:

Hope you don't damage your nice rear wheel drive sports car. Driving on ice is nothing like driving on wet roads, or even snowy roads. Those of us who grew up driving on ice/snow covered ice avoid it unless abso-fucking-lutely life or death necessary.

Hu???  Much like the redneck yacht club stuff done south, we midwesterners were known to seek out locals and go nuts.  Doing donuts and power slides on a frozen lake is one of the great joys in life.  Hell, we used to pull skiers and would drive onto said lake to watch motorcycles with spikes on them go in circles.   You must have lead a sheltered life if you grew up in the cold and did not enjoy any of this stuff.  

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