retroSail 9 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Worst anchor design I've ever seen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
apophenia 260 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Those seem like reasonable floor anchors for rotating shafts. What kind of bearings do they have? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socalrider 505 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Paging S/V PANOPE... They are stainless though, so they'll look money on your bow roller. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rain Man 1,345 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Was some wreckage recovered from the Flyin' Hawaiian? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 10,213 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Those are called river anchors. I see lots of them advertised on CL here for people fishing on the Fraser. I have no idea why they are designed like that but they seem to be the preferred style for the river. Something to do with a silty bottom maybe? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 1,822 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, SloopJonB said: I have no idea why they are designed like that but they seem to be the preferred style for the river. Something to do with a silty bottom maybe? Maybe the river bottom has been machined with slots to fit those anchors 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El Borracho 2,292 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Maybe that is the size the junk yard had. Cutting and shaping has not yet been invented in Cletus County. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Q 586 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 This is what we use on our mostly, slow moving, muddy bottomed rivers and Broads or if attaching to a river bank, use a Rhond anchor, you swing it like an axe to get the point into the grass, if that doesn't work you hammer the flat at the bend till it does.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
silversurfer 8 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 In an muddy environment the forces you can achieve from suction are bigger than what you can get from letting a hook dig in. I believe that some oil rigs standing on the bottom of the sea rely on the same principles. Like trying to walk in quicksand - it sucks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 6,523 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 It may be that some of these anchors are not intended to do what sailboat anchors typically do... hold the boat in a fixed place. Fishing anchors just hold the boat bow into the current and let the boat drag slowly downstream while you cast. FB- Doug 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Benytoe 74 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 hours ago, retroSail said: Worst anchor design I've ever seen so don't buy them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sam_crocker 57 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 They might be fit for purpose if the purpose is to collect on insurance. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Expat Canuck 95 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 6 hours ago, silversurfer said: In an muddy environment the forces you can achieve from suction are bigger than what you can get from letting a hook dig in. I believe that some oil rigs standing on the bottom of the sea rely on the same principles. Like trying to walk in quicksand - it sucks. There are zero similarities between the advertised "anchors" and SEPLA's or suction piles Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,623 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 On 1/6/2021 at 12:52 AM, The Q said: This is what we use on our mostly, slow moving, muddy bottomed rivers and Broads All the hardware I have that looks like that is 1” in diameter. OK, some of it is 1 1/8”........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
retroSail 9 Posted January 7 Author Share Posted January 7 I didn't realize there was a use case for these at all. I just think of anchor as something you use cruising. So you want something that won't drag on the sea floor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P_Wop 2,632 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 On 1/6/2021 at 12:52 AM, The Q said: This is what we use on our mostly, slow moving, muddy bottomed rivers and Broads I remember the mud-weight as a child on Norfolk Broads holidays. My job was to get it clean before hoisting it on deck. And then scrubbing the inevitably filthy deck with several buckets of water as we moved off. That's when I learned how properly to tie the line to the bucket handle, and how to tie a figure eight in the end. And not to wrap the bucket line round your hand else your little body went overboard when the bucket filled with water. Happy days. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Navig8tor 1,572 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, ROADKILL666 said: Great for mooring but fugly on your bow roller especially once they rust. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 10,213 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Filling them with concrete before pushing them off the bow makes a real mess too. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDragon 780 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 On 1/6/2021 at 2:52 AM, The Q said: or if attaching to a river bank, use a Rhond anchor, you swing it like an axe to get the point into the grass, if that doesn't work you hammer the flat at the bend till it does.. Look like evidence in a murder investigation 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sailronin 44 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I find that a '57 Buick makes a great mooring... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 10,213 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Here's a typical Fraser River Anchor. Note the subtle design variations from the OP https://vancouver.craigslist.org/pml/bpo/d/coquitlam-north-fraser-river-anchor/7258527892.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
retroSail 9 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 Yea at least if this falls over it will grab Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Q 586 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 10 hours ago, P_Wop said: I remember the mud-weight as a child on Norfolk Broads holidays. My job was to get it clean before hoisting it on deck. And then scrubbing the inevitably filthy deck with several buckets of water as we moved off. That's when I learned how properly to tie the line to the bucket handle, and how to tie a figure eight in the end. And not to wrap the bucket line round your hand else your little body went overboard when the bucket filled with water. Happy days. A simpler way is you hoist it up to just below the water line, then start moving and let the water wash the mud off.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Q 586 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 14 hours ago, Amati said: All the hardware I have that looks like that is 1” in diameter. OK, some of it is 1 1/8”........ The main barrel is normally 6 to 9 inch in diameter, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Q 586 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 2 hours ago, sailronin said: I find that a '57 Buick makes a great mooring... A friend got anchored by his Backstay to a BMW... We both had our masts down as we paddled under a Bridge. his back stay got caught until they reversed a bit and tried again. (We were in Yeoman Class keelboats ) A later investigation by a diving team found a BMW that had been stolen reported missing about 5 years before.., the damage to the roof of the BMW indicates it had been hit by keels and Motor cruiser hulls many times.. There's a spot nearby where it could have been pushed off the road.. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
P_Wop 2,632 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 hours ago, The Q said: A simpler way is you hoist it up to just below the water line, then start moving and let the water wash the mud off.. I tried that, but as you know the Norfolk Broads mud can be incredibly sticky stuff and didn't all come off. Also having the weight bonking against the hull in the bow-wave wasn't much appreciated by the skipper (my dad). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMB 396 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 19 minutes ago, P_Wop said: I tried that, but as you know the Norfolk Broads mud can be incredibly sticky stuff and didn't all come off. Also having the weight bonking against the hull in the bow-wave wasn't much appreciated by the skipper (my dad). And lets be realistic, on a broads holiday finding extra stuff for the kids to do is part of the fun for the parents :). The number of 'essential' tasks I had to do as a kid on cruising holidays was shocking, as a parent I'm convinced that 80% of the essential element was to keep me occupied... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,623 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 On 1/6/2021 at 12:52 AM, The Q said: This is what we use on our mostly, slow moving, muddy bottomed rivers and Broads The 7/8” version Quote Link to post Share on other sites
premiumunleaded 2 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Designed by a riverman, not a true semen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey Butler 104 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 10,213 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 minutes ago, Monkey Butler said: You ever tried to pick up one of those MoFo's? It would make a good mooring anchor. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foreverslow 360 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 20 hours ago, SloopJonB said: You ever tried to pick up one of those MoFo's? It would make a good mooring anchor. what my brother and his neighbors use for their floating docks on a lake in Vermont. Work really well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Foreverslow 360 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 On 1/7/2021 at 4:12 PM, Navig8tor said: Great for mooring but fugly on your bow roller especially once they rust. Nhaaa, you use an aluminum big block... ;<) https://donovanengines.com/donovan-engineering-aluminum-big-block/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 10,213 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 That need too much polishing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
retroSail 9 Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 My mooring I built last summer. Was a bitch to move. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 6,523 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 6 minutes ago, retroSail said: My mooring I built last summer. Was a bitch to move. Well. "Easy To Move" is really.... REALLY!! ... not on the list of top features for a mooring. FB- Doug 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Al Paca 478 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Canada. First bullrails, now this. Way to go guy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toddster 655 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Among the other random junk being sold on Craigslist as "boat anchors" https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bpo/d/portland-drift-boat-anchor/7259726554.html There are always tons of grapple-style "river anchors" on the PDX ads. One came with my boat, but I've never used it. The fishermen have a technique with a buoy and block such that they gun the motor to lift the anchor and tow it to a new location then drop it again without ever pulling it in to the boat. It doesn't get "set" like you would for a traditional anchor. There are vids on YouTube explaining how to do it. It can be a little disconcerting, when you try to tack past the end of a hog line that you assume is stationary. Then all of a sudden, they're off and running and towing crap across your path. Most of them are a bit more sophisticated than the ones in the OP - some homemade varieties are made from old car springs. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 10,213 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 We call those "boarding ladders". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 10,213 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, Al Paca said: Canada. First bullrails, now this. Way to go guy. Those are not exclusively Canadian - they have them on the Columbia as well. We need to get some river fishermen on here to explain them to us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F395 130 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Michigan fishing boat special. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mcmurdo 28 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 5 hours ago, toddster said: Among the other random junk being sold on Craigslist as "boat anchors" https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bpo/d/portland-drift-boat-anchor/7259726554.html For those of you living in tropical climes... Florida, Queensland, southwestern BC... those are tire chains, used to drive on icy roads. They aren't cheap, but what happens is you buy a set for your vehicle, and then when you get another vehicle, it has different sized tires, so you buy a new set of chains. Doesn't take long before you have a garageful of them, and start dreaming up ways to repurpose them. It has been raining onto snow here for a day and a half. When it freezes up again, it will be like someone zambonied the world. Chains will be essential. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Upp3 230 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 1/6/2021 at 7:34 AM, retroSail said: Worst anchor design I've ever seen What kind of anchors does your race committee use for marks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Q 586 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 A lot of our old marks, had old metal shoe lasts as mud weights.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 10,213 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Those are collectors items now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Q 586 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 We only a few left, back in the late 1970s early 80s, the UK shoe manufacturing industry was collapsing , there were many big manufacturers in Norwich, now there's just a couple of specialist makers left. Quite a few members worked in the big companies, and brought to them to the club as scrap. If you went magnet fishing there's a few in the river and broads mud where the ropes failed or got cut when run over.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toddster 655 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 15 hours ago, mcmurdo said: For those of you living in tropical climes... Florida, Queensland, southwestern BC... those are tire chains, used to drive on icy roads. They aren't cheap, but what happens is you buy a set for your vehicle, and then when you get another vehicle, it has different sized tires, so you buy a new set of chains. Doesn't take long before you have a garageful of them, and start dreaming up ways to repurpose them. It has been raining onto snow here for a day and a half. When it freezes up again, it will be like someone zambonied the world. Chains will be essential. When I sell a vehicle, I wait until the buyer starts trying to haggle about the price. Then I bring out the tire chains - and progressively, other spares and parts, shop manuals, etc. that are of no further use to me. “Here! I’ll throw this in for free, but I really can’t go any lower on price.” Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pertsa 214 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Many local clubs use old lifting hooks, I was told that they have "best before" date and became worthless junk after that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 6,523 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On 1/13/2021 at 12:12 PM, toddster said: On 1/12/2021 at 8:27 PM, mcmurdo said: For those of you living in tropical climes... Florida, Queensland, southwestern BC... those are tire chains, used to drive on icy roads. They aren't cheap, but what happens is you buy a set for your vehicle, and then when you get another vehicle, it has different sized tires, so you buy a new set of chains. Doesn't take long before you have a garageful of them, and start dreaming up ways to repurpose them. It has been raining onto snow here for a day and a half. When it freezes up again, it will be like someone zambonied the world. Chains will be essential. When I sell a vehicle, I wait until the buyer starts trying to haggle about the price. Then I bring out the tire chains - and progressively, other spares and parts, shop manuals, etc. that are of no further use to me. “Here! I’ll throw this in for free, but I really can’t go any lower on price.” Bingo I have run out of patience with people who think they are master negotiators. Basically they are just arguing for the sake of negation, and because it leaves them with more pennies in the pocket. "You really want to buy a car?" Yes. "Then go buy a different one, because you're not buying this one." Of course I'm in the luxurious position of not NEEDing to sell. But I've had the same thing play out selling boats, where it's assumed that the equipment of the boat goes with it, but of course I have a lot of 'stuff' that could go with it. I sold a very nice small (on a trailer) daysailer and pointed out that at the price the buyer wanted to give me, he would not be getting any of the equipment beyond the minimum lines and hardware actually fastened to the boat. He said "I've already got a garage full of boat stuff." So money and the boat changed hands. The very next weekend he was back to try and wheedle me out of the fenders that actually stowed on the boat, a drifter/cruising spinnaker (and the lines for it), the battery, the boom crutch, etc etc. Because all that stuff, if bought, would have cost a lot more than the amount he beat me down on the boat price. I was busy with chores and said "No." Then when he tried to follow me around, arguing, I said "I'm working. You don't have any business on my property. Please leave." But I was glad to get that boat out of the side yard because I already had another one in mind. BTW I have lived in the south eastern US most of my life but have been around enough to know what tire chains are. - DSK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Left Shift 3,337 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 On 1/7/2021 at 10:42 AM, ROADKILL666 said: Set one of those in a muddy/silty harbor as a mooring and it didn't budge an inch with a 36' sailboat on it in 60+ breezes. 1 1/2" chain through the cylinders, some swivels and and good to "not go" anywhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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