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17 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

Meh.  It will work just fine in a mobile browser.  

Yes, but nobody can download it. Install copies will be worth millions, I tell you.

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8 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Talk about bullshit. You don’t need an app, just log on through your browser. 

Have fun with it

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1 minute ago, Ishmael said:

Well, he pinches off a log

Why doesn't someone launch a "Bad Faith" platform  . . 

I see real possibilities there !!

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For amusement I read the Parler TOS.  It may have changed but, while it didn't prohibit much, it specifically banned incitement to violence and violent threats.   What is clear now is that the people behind Parler had either no intention of enforcing, or not enough staff to enforce, their TOS.  It makes sense that Apple is demanding they add full moderation.  

I think it would be reasonable at this point for employers to ask potential employees if they have a Parler account during job interviews.  

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8 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Unfortunately no problem to get it with Android third party app stores or even just downloading and installing the apk-file. It's a step but doesn't change too much.

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12 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Google Pulls Parler from its App Store.

So, the propogation of insurrection or sedition isn't popular anymore? 

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2 minutes ago, Innocent Bystander said:

Parler jumped to the #1 downloaded ap today. Giving a warning not such a great idea. 

Well the app simply won’t exist so good luck to them.  They’ll have to use a web browser.

However with Parler letting Lin Wood unleashing his lunacy I suspect they’ll have the same issue 4chan had finding people willing to host it on their servers.

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40 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Well the app simply won’t exist so good luck to them.  They’ll have to use a web browser.

However with Parler letting Lin Wood unleashing his lunacy I suspect they’ll have the same issue 4chan had finding people willing to host it on their servers.

Yes, it will, if Parler decides to make it available in ways other than Google Play and the App Store.  For Android you just need the .apk as noted above.  For iPhone:

How To Install Apps Outside the App Store

For iPhone you can either jailbreak, or use another app to do the installing for you.

To really shut Parler down the server company has to refuse to host it.  There are server co's all over the world that will host stuff like this without questioning it - and probably some that would welcome it.  The irony is that they may have to go outside the USA to get it hosted after this week.

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It is nice when they telegraph their thoughts, identities and locations.  Cops need donuts and chasing these fools seems foolish when they want to parade their bare asses in public.

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52 minutes ago, dfw_sailor said:

Will be interesting if amazon pulls aws from underneath them.

Amazon employees agitating today. 

I'm sure the end will dramatic.

>Remove-VM Parler.com

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21 hours ago, The Joker said:

Talk about bullshit. You don’t need an app, just log on through your browser. 

Is that how you got grinder? 

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3 hours ago, LB 15 said:
On 1/8/2021 at 9:15 PM, The Joker said:

Talk about bullshit. You don’t need an app, just log on through your browser. 

Is that how you got grinder? 

None of my apps required me to mail in a log. I had to hand over a couple of smears a year ago, but I sure couldn't fit my usual excreta into an envelope.

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5 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

None of my apps required me to mail in a log. I had to hand over a couple of smears a year ago, but I sure couldn't fit my usual excreta into an envelope.

Imagine being in post sales support. I wonder what the authentication process would look like.  

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On 1/9/2021 at 1:15 PM, The Joker said:

Talk about bullshit. You don’t need an app, just log on through your browser. 

Well that didn’t age well. Just like bullshit.

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In case it gets taken down tomorrow, here is (and hopefully was) Parler's TOS on violence, which they clearly did not enforce (particularly 6.1.1 and 6.1.2):

6. Threats of Violence, Advocacy of Imminent Lawless Action, Threats to Dox, Bribery or Criminal Solicitation 

So-called “fighting words” are not a violation of our Guidelines.2

6.1 However, reported parleys, comments, or messages sent using our service will be deemed a violation of these Guidelines if they contain:

6.1.1 a “serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals,” with either the intent or reckless disregard as to whether the communication will “place the victim in fear of bodily harm or death.”3

6.1.2 an explicit or implicit encouragement to use violence, or to commit a lawless action, such that: (a) the Parleyer intends his or her speech to result in the use of violence or lawless action, and (b) the imminent use of violence or lawless action is the likely result of the parley, comment, or message.4

6.1.3 a threat to dox anyone for any reason.

6.1.4 an offer to give or receive money, or other goods or services, in exchange for (a) a favor from any public official, or (b) the commission of any illegal action by anyone.

2 The United States Supreme Court has held that “fighting words”— “insulting language direct[ed] at another person, intending to instigate that person’s imminent violent reaction against the speaker”—are not protected as an exercise of the right to free speech. (Nadine Strossen, Hate: Why We Should Resist It With Free Speech, Not Censorship (2018) at 64.) However, Parler agrees with those scholars who have opined that, when “such abuse is shared among strangers separated by space and time,” as is true with Parleyers, then the “imminent violent reaction” cannot reasonably be intended. See, e.g., John Samples, “Fighting Words and Free Speech,” June 25, 2018 at https://www.cato.org/blog/fighting-words-freespeech Therefore, such abuse, alone, will not be deemed a violation of our Guidelines.

3 In June 2020, Justice Clarence Thomas noted, in his dissent from denial of cert. in the case, Kansas v. Boettger, that there exists a split among the federal circuits as to the level of intent required for a communication to constitute a “true threat.” Thomas, in the dissent, said he agreed with those circuits who held that States may “criminalize threats, even in the absence of any intent to intimidate.” Per Thomas, “threats of violence made in reckless disregard of causing fear may be prohibited.” See https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/062220zor_mjn0.pdf

4 See, e.g., Eugene Volokh, “Then-Candidate Trump’s Speech at Rally Wasn’t Constitutionally Unprotected ‘Incitement’ of Violence Against Protesters,” September 11, 2018, at https://reason.com/2018/09/11/thencandidate-trumps-speech-at-rally-wa/ (citing Brandenberg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969) https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/395/444).

 

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7 hours ago, Olsonist said:

And that was the most effective step to stop Parler. Sure they can find another hoster but to find one who takes them with the needed capacities and reliability will be though, maybe Russian or North Korean ;) .

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6 hours ago, El Borracho said:

Well that didn’t age well. Just like bullshit.

Smell something?  I do. Smells like some bullshit. Must have been a bullshitter here. LBJ had those guys pegged back in the 60s.  As for Parler and its business partners, it seems like providing a platform for organizing armed insurrection might be bad for business. Who knew?

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Parler has not publicly disclosed the identities of its owners besides founder John Matze.[27] Rebekah Mercer, an investor known for her contributions to conservative individuals and organizations, is a co-founder of the company, and conservative political commentator Dan Bongino has said he is an owner.[1][33] As of November 2020, according to Parler, the service had about 4 million active users and over 10 million total users.[2][3] User activity peaked after the 2020 United States presidential election that month and fell again in December.[34][35]

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Robert Leroy Mercer (born July 11, 1946)[2] is an American hedge fund manager, former principal investor in the now-defunct Cambridge Analytica,[3] computer scientist who was an early artificial intelligence researcher and developer, and former co-CEO of the hedge fund company Renaissance Technologies.[2][4][5]

Mercer played a key role in the campaign for the United Kingdom to leave the European Union by donating data analytics services to Nigel Farage.[6] He is also a major funder of organizations supporting right-wing political causes in the United States, such as Breitbart News,[7] and Donald Trump's 2016 campaign for president.[8] He is the principal benefactor of the Make America Number 1 super PAC.[9]

In November 2017, Mercer announced he would step down from Renaissance Technologies and sell his stake in Breitbart News to his daughters.[10]

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Unless the Mercers build a server farm pronto.  Parler looks doomed.  Maybe pitching themselves as a refuge for the unhinged, NAZIS, and racists wasn’t such a good business plan after all.   
 

https://deadline.com/2021/01/parler-ceo-says-service-dropped-by-every-vendor-and-could-end-the-company-1234670607/

BTW they were offered an out by Apple and Google.  Build an algorithm to detect and delete objectionable content.  They refused.

CEO John Matze said today that his social media company has been dropped by virtually all of its business alliances after Amazon, Apple and Google ended their agreements with the social media service.

“Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day,” Matze said today on Fox News.

Matze conceded that the bans could put the company out of business while raising free speech issues, calling it “an assault on everybody.”

“They all work together to make sure at the same time we would lose access to not only our apps, but they’re actually shutting all of our servers off tonight, off the internet,” Matze said. “They made an attempt to not only kill the app, but to actually destroy the entire company. And it’s not just these three companies. Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day.”

 

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

BTW they were offered an out by Apple and Google.  Build an algorithm to detect and delete objectionable content.  They refused

What else could they say?

That would mean shutting themselves down.

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This is very interesting.  Have we finally drawn a line in the sand on depraved behaviour on the internet similar to the one already drawn on kiddie porn?

Next thing  you know they will suggest that a President who tells verifiable lies almost every time he opens his mouth isn't fit for office.

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52 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Unless the Mercers build a server farm pronto.  Parler looks doomed.  Maybe pitching themselves as a refuge for the unhinged, NAZIS, and racists wasn’t such a good business plan after all.   
 

https://deadline.com/2021/01/parler-ceo-says-service-dropped-by-every-vendor-and-could-end-the-company-1234670607/

BTW they were offered an out by Apple and Google.  Build an algorithm to detect and delete objectionable content.  They refused.

CEO John Matze said today that his social media company has been dropped by virtually all of its business alliances after Amazon, Apple and Google ended their agreements with the social media service.

“Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day,” Matze said today on Fox News.

Matze conceded that the bans could put the company out of business while raising free speech issues, calling it “an assault on everybody.”

“They all work together to make sure at the same time we would lose access to not only our apps, but they’re actually shutting all of our servers off tonight, off the internet,” Matze said. “They made an attempt to not only kill the app, but to actually destroy the entire company. And it’s not just these three companies. Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day.”

 

 

 

 

Tiny violin playing a sad song.  :rolleyes:

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3 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

This is very interesting.  Have we finally drawn a line in the sand on depraved behaviour on the internet similar to the one already drawn on kiddie porn?

Next thing  you know they will suggest that a President who tells verifiable lies almost every time he opens his mouth isn't fit for office.

Well, let's not get too crazy here.

I'll settle for a few boundaries... limiting the number of bankruptcies... not bragging about the size of his dick... not paying political campaign money to buy silence from a porn star... not holding secret meetings with hostile foreign heads of state...

is all that too much to ask?

- DSK

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16 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

This is very interesting.  Have we finally drawn a line in the sand on depraved behaviour on the internet similar to the one already drawn on kiddie porn?

Next thing  you know they will suggest that a President who tells verifiable lies almost every time he opens his mouth isn't fit for office.

Let's not get carried away here.

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14 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Well, let's not get too crazy here.

I'll settle for a few boundaries... limiting the number of bankruptcies... not bragging about the size of his dick... not paying political campaign money to buy silence from a porn star... not holding secret meetings with hostile foreign heads of state...

is all that too much to ask?

- DSK

mushroom. FWIW.  And no, that seems like the basic minimum.  

 

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Meanwhile for those that can still use Parler, I learned that the Pope was arrested today, the internet will be turners off for 6 days world wide and Trump is going to cause a huge blackout but only leave enough power on for him to get a message out.

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31 minutes ago, Swimsailor said:

Meanwhile for those that can still use Parler, I learned that the Pope was arrested today, the internet will be turners off for 6 days world wide and Trump is going to cause a huge blackout but only leave enough power on for him to get a message out.

The Parler internet will be turned off at midnight, when they shut those servers down.

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2 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Have we finally drawn a line in the sand on depraved behaviour on the internet similar to the one already drawn on kiddie porn?

Looks like the "line" is disagree with a leftist. I would of expected "antifa" to be against actions like this, but they are cheering it on like the good little leftists they are.

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3 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Looks like the "line" is disagree with a leftist. I would of expected "antifa" to be against actions like this, but they are cheering it on like the good little leftists they are.

Did you watch the news this week?

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1 hour ago, Swimsailor said:

Meanwhile for those that can still use Parler, I learned that the Pope was arrested today, the internet will be turners off for 6 days world wide and Trump is going to cause a huge blackout but only leave enough power on for him to get a message out.

You missed the complete power failure for the entire country of Pakistan, somehow it's involved as well...

Idiots...

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47 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Looks like the "line" is disagree with a leftist.

This dude is more Bat-S__t crazy than the Dogster or Venom or the Bird 

Note that the Reich never even claims that they post truth . . 

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Sorry for my double post, but this also belongs here . .  

(the awesome self-cite !!) 

Could Parlor be a Russian operation . .  ?? 

check out Daily Kos 

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2 hours ago, bpm57 said:

Looks like the "line" is disagree with a leftist. I would of expected "antifa" to be against actions like this, but they are cheering it on like the good little leftists they are.

I would have thought you understood basic English.  Guess not.

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2 hours ago, bpm57 said:

Looks like the "line" is disagree with a leftist. I would of expected "antifa" to be against actions like this, but they are cheering it on like the good little leftists they are.

Yes, of course. The last time I had a disagreement with someone I started making death threats to elected officials, poll workers, government employees, business owners, etc. Happens all the time. Fuck off.

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A halfway decent DR plan would have allowed them continuity of operations. Seems the mindset that your plans are so perfect there is no need for contingencies looks to have crept into their site reliability planning as well. 

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On 1/10/2021 at 3:25 AM, Olsonist said:

That will shut them up for a while. Of course, there are always alternatives, really old protocols, current ones and whatever the future brings.

The imminent problem for the Parler users would be to reorganize on short notice.

 

2 hours ago, LenP said:

A halfway decent DR plan would have allowed them continuity of operations. Seems the mindset that your plans are so perfect there is no need for contingencies looks to have crept into their site reliability planning as well. 

Traffic, storage and computing power always was a problem for server based communications.

A relatively young and small platform like Parler usually decides to use one cloud host as they can't afford own servers or traffic in the required numbers, let alone (dynamically) scaling up on short notice. This also means they develop their apps to connect to the APIs of that chosen cloud host.

Even if they find a new host on short notice (and have access to the user data stored at AWS?) they would still need to rebuild and redeploy their apps to connect their existing users to the new host. Mimicking an AWS service on an "open" cloud platform could work, but depending on traffic could also easily result in DDOSing themselves.

Developer time is expensive and I doubt they have a second or third protocol implemented, even if it's the chosen means of communication by the more paranoid flock.

We'll see.

For now, it seems to be back to texting and phone calls, if MAGAguy2020 has FreedomFighter1973's numbers ... which the FBI and NSA probably are already monitoring after processing the cell tower data around the Capitol.

Interesting times, and more than a bit worrying.

 

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1 hour ago, Grog said:

That will shut them up for a while. Of course, there are always alternatives, really old protocols, current ones and whatever the future brings.

The imminent problem for the Parler users would be to reorganize on short notice.

 

Traffic, storage and computing power always was a problem for server based communications.

A relatively young and small platform like Parler usually decides to use one cloud host as they can't afford own servers or traffic in the required numbers, let alone (dynamically) scaling up on short notice. This also means they develop their apps to connect to the APIs of that chosen cloud host.

Even if they find a new host on short notice (and have access to the user data stored at AWS?) they would still need to rebuild and redeploy their apps to connect their existing users to the new host. Mimicking an AWS service on an "open" cloud platform could work, but depending on traffic could also easily result in DDOSing themselves.

Developer time is expensive and I doubt they have a second or third protocol implemented, even if it's the chosen means of communication by the more paranoid flock.

We'll see.

For now, it seems to be back to texting and phone calls, if MAGAguy2020 has FreedomFighter1973's numbers ... which the FBI and NSA probably are already monitoring after processing the cell tower data around the Capitol.

Interesting times, and more than a bit worrying.

 

If I had a controversial social media startup and my primary hosting provider and it's CEO & founder had been attacked repeatedly by the hero of my users, I would have spent a lot more time up front being prepared for something like this. With a bit more work upfront, you could code the platform to be cloud agnostic or multi cloud from the beginning. Do use containers, do not use proprietary hosting provider APIs, lots of things that can be done to prevent interruption of service. 

For that matter, they could have built something totally decentralized (assuming that data mining was not a critical element of their business model) with the auth running as a DAPP and content distributed in a hybrid P2P / multi cloud architecture. Something like that would be nearly impossible to take down, however it would be harder to control and harder to mine data from. 

These guys all talk about how the world is against them, but their decisions show that they did not believe it. If they believed their own BS, they would have been prepared. Unless of course, the purpose of this was not to have a viable business model but to disrupt a democracy, in which case "missions accomplished" I guess. 

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2 minutes ago, LenP said:

the purpose of this was not to have a viable business model but to disrupt a democracy,

Bingo!

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1 hour ago, Grog said:

That will shut them up for a while. Of course, there are always alternatives, really old protocols, current ones and whatever the future brings.

The imminent problem for the Parler users would be to reorganize on short notice.

 

Traffic, storage and computing power always was a problem for server based communications.

A relatively young and small platform like Parler usually decides to use one cloud host as they can't afford own servers or traffic in the required numbers, let alone (dynamically) scaling up on short notice. This also means they develop their apps to connect to the APIs of that chosen cloud host.

Even if they find a new host on short notice (and have access to the user data stored at AWS?) they would still need to rebuild and redeploy their apps to connect their existing users to the new host. Mimicking an AWS service on an "open" cloud platform could work, but depending on traffic could also easily result in DDOSing themselves.

Developer time is expensive and I doubt they have a second or third protocol implemented, even if it's the chosen means of communication by the more paranoid flock.

We'll see.

For now, it seems to be back to texting and phone calls, if MAGAguy2020 has FreedomFighter1973's numbers ... which the FBI and NSA probably are already monitoring after processing the cell tower data around the Capitol.

Interesting times, and more than a bit worrying.

 

Their biggest problem isn't aws or finding another server technology (although it isn't easy of course), it is they are being denied service by all providers. Their lawyers,  messaging, other api partners are all severing relationships at the same time. 

They will have payment gateway issues.  

The only way they can survive is to find a benefactor who will fund them in another country, and even then they could be declared terrorist supporting, then they will have an ip address ban. 

Basically the business and technology world is bigger than the nutty 10 per cent of the us population. 

Neither business or technology have to do business with anyone they don't like. Thats capitalism. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, LenP said:

If I had a controversial social media startup and my primary hosting provider and it's CEO & founder had been attacked repeatedly by the hero of my users, I would have spent a lot more time up front being prepared for something like this. With a bit more work upfront, you could code the platform to be cloud agnostic or multi cloud from the beginning. Do use containers, do not use proprietary hosting provider APIs, lots of things that can be done to prevent interruption of service. 

For that matter, they could have built something totally decentralized (assuming that data mining was not a critical element of their business model) with the auth running as a DAPP and content distributed in a hybrid P2P / multi cloud architecture. Something like that would be nearly impossible to take down, however it would be harder to control and harder to mine data from. 

These guys all talk about how the world is against them, but their decisions show that they did not believe it. If they believed their own BS, they would have been prepared. Unless of course, the purpose of this was not to have a viable business model but to disrupt a democracy, in which case "missions accomplished" I guess. 

Well, they're inherently stupid. They rise up in a culture of privilege and victimhood, and the idea of actually doing a little extra work to ensure success is completely alien to them.

If they were on a sports team, the other team playing defense would be SO-O UNFAIR because those meanies were keeping them from scoring!

And I don't think they're done disrupting yet.

- DSK

 

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PARLER WAS HACKED AND DOWNLOADED.

This article should probably make quite a few right wing terrorists and keyboard freedumb fighters a little nervous. It looks like Parler may have been hacked and had all their data downloaded. Sure would be awful for some of those "fine people" to have their "patriotic" views exposed to a little daylight.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/11/2008140/-Parler-is-being-downloaded-This-is-huge

You see, Parler billed itself as the far right alternative to Twitter and Facebook. It’s the brain child of the mega Trump donors: The Mercer’s. On Parler you can upload your driver’s license to prove you’re a citizen so you know you’re talking to real people and not random bots. It also has a nice nationalist ring to it. Also, they were going to keep your data secure, unlike the evil anti-free speech big tech.

And unlike Big Tech, they are AMATEURS with security.

https://cybernews.com/news/70tb-of-parler-users-messages-videos-and-posts-leaked-by-security-researchers/

https://twitter.com/search?q=PARLER+HACK&ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^search

As much as I hate this, I love that these clowns fucked up this bad. Schadenfreude is overflowing lately.

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

Well, they're inherently stupid. They rise up in a culture of privilege and victimhood, and the idea of actually doing a little extra work to ensure success is completely alien to them.

If they were on a sports team, the other team playing defense would be SO-O UNFAIR because those meanies were keeping them from scoring!

And I don't think they're done disrupting yet.

- DSK

 

My guess is that the coding for this was largely offshored to the Ukraine, they were building it quick and on the cheap, they had no real DR as they did not believe their own BS, and that turning a profit (aside from using this as a funnel to drive contributions to aligned PACs and political campaigns) was never really a goal. That is just an educated guess, it is also possible that they are simply incompetent. 

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Just now, LenP said:

My guess is that the coding for this was largely offshored to the Ukraine, they were building it quick and on the cheap, they had no real DR as they did not believe their own BS, and that turning a profit (aside from using this as a funnel to drive contributions to aligned PACs and political campaigns) was never really a goal. That is just an educated guess, it is also possible that they are simply incompetent. 

There's a subset of successful bullshit artists in every field. I would think that fleecing the right wing dumbasses would naturally attract them.

I don't see it as a "free speech" issue since it's private enterprise. It could easily become a commerce issue with pay portals here or there, and an unsolved issue (unsolved AFAIK) about internet commerce. Is it were the server is? Corporate offices? Corporate charter? Not a lot of "disruption" needed where the structure is unformed as yet.

I also don't see incitement to violence as a free speech issue. That's assault, on the gov't or otherwise. I have recognized this and vowed to tighten up my own act but I hope I've never come across as liking to play internet bad-ass. Alex Jones / InfoWars was liable for his bullshit about Sandy Hook, and this can be an issue to drive the right-wing insurgents down. Does the trail lead back to the Koch Bros? Lawyers will flock to get a piece of that action.

As for the technology of running an internet forum, I don't know enough about it, which is why posts about it are so interesting. It does seem worthwhile to build in some redundancy/independence. Industrial control system networks certainly have a bunch of repeatability/redundancy built in.

- DSK

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34 minutes ago, Voyageur said:

PARLER WAS HACKED AND DOWNLOADED.

This article should probably make quite a few right wing terrorists and keyboard freedumb fighters a little nervous. It looks like Parler may have been hacked and had all their data downloaded. Sure would be awful for some of those "fine people" to have their "patriotic" views exposed to a little daylight.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/11/2008140/-Parler-is-being-downloaded-This-is-huge

You see, Parler billed itself as the far right alternative to Twitter and Facebook. It’s the brain child of the mega Trump donors: The Mercer’s. On Parler you can upload your driver’s license to prove you’re a citizen so you know you’re talking to real people and not random bots. It also has a nice nationalist ring to it. Also, they were going to keep your data secure, unlike the evil anti-free speech big tech.

And unlike Big Tech, they are AMATEURS with security.

https://cybernews.com/news/70tb-of-parler-users-messages-videos-and-posts-leaked-by-security-researchers/

https://twitter.com/search?q=PARLER+HACK&ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^search

As much as I hate this, I love that these clowns fucked up this bad. Schadenfreude is overflowing lately.

It looks like the fbi found that ‘server’ after all.

Note for Donald: be careful what you wish for. 

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42 minutes ago, Voyageur said:

This article should probably make quite a few right wing terrorists and keyboard freedumb fighters a little nervous. It looks like Parler may have been hacked and had all their data downloaded. Sure would be awful for some of those "fine people" to have their "patriotic" views exposed to a little daylight.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/11/2008140/-Parler-is-being-downloaded-This-is-huge

You see, Parler billed itself as the far right alternative to Twitter and Facebook. It’s the brain child of the mega Trump donors: The Mercer’s. On Parler you can upload your driver’s license to prove you’re a citizen so you know you’re talking to real people and not random bots. It also has a nice nationalist ring to it. Also, they were going to keep your data secure, unlike the evil anti-free speech big tech.

And unlike Big Tech, they are AMATEURS with security.

Wow. 

They are beyond incompetent.

Authentication provided by third party.  Turned off yesterday. 

As a result,  you could reset your own account password without having the current password.

One of their apis returns the access level of an account. 

So they found an account with full admin.  They changed the password,  and created a million additional admin accounts.

Which they then used scripts to down load /mirror everything off server.

Deleted parlays had never actually been deleted, just marked for deletion / no show.

So many other dumb things they did as well. 

 

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Multi cloud just means that it designed to use multiple cloud hosting providers simultaneously with data synced across platforms. Think about a jet with 4 engines still being able to fly after losing one. You could supplement that with a small footprint self hosted infrastructure as one more fallback. There are ample open source projects such as Kubernetes which make this much easier today by further abstracting the infrastructure it is running on. 

Decentralized means there are no central servers at all, and code is run at the edges or user devices themselves. Blockchain systems and P2P sharing apps work like this. 

Decentralized is the hardest to take down, requiring Internet providers to actively block traffic based either on the ports they communicate on or the content of the traffic. It is also the most difficult to control and monetize. 

Multi cloud is fairly resilient while offering the same control and ability to monetize as a single cloud implementation for the price of a bit more architecture and development upfront. 

They took the cheapest and most vulnerable route possible which would be really stupid unless you understand Parler to be the equivalent of an interactive marketing landing page designed to drive contributions to specific third parties like Trump's PAC. In that case, you would not go to great lengths to protect it, instead you could just spin another up with the same code base and call it "CircleJerk" and start funneling the $ through again. 

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4 minutes ago, dfw_sailor said:

Wow. 

They are beyond incompetent.

Authentication provided by third party.  Turned off yesterday. 

As a result,  you could reset your own account password without having the current password.

One of their apis returns the access level of an account. 

So they found an account with full admin.  They changed the password,  and created a million additional admin accounts.

Which they then used scripts to down load /mirror everything off server.

Deleted parlays had never actually been deleted, just marked for deletion / no show.

So many other dumb things they did as well. 

 

My guess is they did one big dumb thing which is to offshore the work to a low quality digital sweatshop in Eastern Europe, who then produced a product with security and quality matching the price paid. Those shops are all about bidding low and making it look like they delivered a working product, albeit one that should never be run in a production environment. 

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I was going to sign up until I saw that part. 

NO WAY I was giving them that much information.

Much like the guy that hand-paints camo on his F-150.  It's a warning sign

to be associated with those guys.

 

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21 minutes ago, Dog said:

The empire strikes back.

Ahh, sad doggie. Better sign up for one of those Identity Theft prevention companies that shill on the RWNM. You're gonna need it. Hahahahahaa

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Some very interesting and insightful posts re Parler, security and the value of cheap off-shore coding, thanks!

Turns out, Parler is (was) a cheap shot at trying to build and establish an alt-Twitter or something. They were badly planned and badly made from the beginning, where each notable public endorsement sent their servers down in a death spiral, rendering the platform unusable multiple times.

There is no real coding or financial muscle behind the platform. To the day Apple and Google pulled the Parlor clients and Amazon shut down the servers they had no business model generating any revenue, not even donations or simple ads. The whole thing seems to have been politically motivated and privately sponsored by some rich right wingers.

At their height at the end of 2020 they claim to have had 10 million users (i.e. app downloads and/or signed up, not necessarily verified) and of those about 4 million were active (actually starting the app and at least reading). These numbers include all sorts of nutters trying to evade Twitter from all over the world.

This might soothe @dfw_sailor a little, as the active nut jobs on Parler seem to be much less than the 10% of USAmericans you were worried about. ~1.2% is still more than enough and certainly more than the crowd at the Capitol on 01-06-2021.

In short: the platform sucked as much as the content. Big fucking surprise.

 

What I am (from an IT/Dev point of view) right now more interested in, is how far the reach of any federal agencies has become since 9/11. Hints will be given in how fast and by which channels the Capitol mob will be identified and prosecuted. This could give some sort of insight how much the average Joe will have to worry about doing or saying or reading the right thing.

This and the swift shutdown of a whole communication infrastructure is something to keep an eye on, even if you don't wear tinfoil hats.

 

PS: the wiki article on Parler has some rather interesting points. Surprised how many, actually.

 

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Speling. I'm sure there's more. Sorry.
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2 hours ago, dfw_sailor said:

Wow. 

They are beyond incompetent.

Authentication provided by third party.  Turned off yesterday. 

As a result,  you could reset your own account password without having the current password.

One of their apis returns the access level of an account. 

So they found an account with full admin.  They changed the password,  and created a million additional admin accounts.

Which they then used scripts to down load /mirror everything off server.

Deleted parlays had never actually been deleted, just marked for deletion / no show.

So many other dumb things they did as well. 

 

OMG that is so poetic.  A fucking 8th grader could have done that... I am in the biz and that is just criminal.  And the fact that the dipshits actually uploaded their DL.  PRiceless.  Hope whoever did this puts it front page in the NYT...  

 

Or just post it to twit and FB..  LOL

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2 hours ago, Voyageur said:

it will be fun to find out who has a parler and grindr account.

Wifie was intrigued in the last couple of days, Just to see what the "other side" was doing.  Glad she could not get an acct set up.  

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3 hours ago, Voyageur said:

PARLER WAS HACKED AND DOWNLOADED.

This article should probably make quite a few right wing terrorists and keyboard freedumb fighters a little nervous. It looks like Parler may have been hacked and had all their data downloaded. Sure would be awful for some of those "fine people" to have their "patriotic" views exposed to a little daylight.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/11/2008140/-Parler-is-being-downloaded-This-is-huge

You see, Parler billed itself as the far right alternative to Twitter and Facebook. It’s the brain child of the mega Trump donors: The Mercer’s. On Parler you can upload your driver’s license to prove you’re a citizen so you know you’re talking to real people and not random bots. It also has a nice nationalist ring to it. Also, they were going to keep your data secure, unlike the evil anti-free speech big tech.

And unlike Big Tech, they are AMATEURS with security.

https://cybernews.com/news/70tb-of-parler-users-messages-videos-and-posts-leaked-by-security-researchers/

https://twitter.com/search?q=PARLER+HACK&ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^search

As much as I hate this, I love that these clowns fucked up this bad. Schadenfreude is overflowing lately.

Oh well.  Back to Conservapedia for reaffirming bullshit. 

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An fellow Canuck who has unfortunately been sucked into the Parler vortex posted a video from Dan Bongino on FB last night.  In the  video, Bongino paints Parler as a victim of "liberal tech companies" and pleads with people to quickly make an account in the hours before it is shut down.  "I don't even care about the money" - yeah, right.  Bongino uses language like "They are coming for you next".

I really hope there isn't a critical mass of these lunatics.  

Fantastic that it asked people to upload their government id to verify their accounts.  That will make the FBI's job much easier.

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6 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

An fellow Canuck who has unfortunately been sucked into the Parler vortex posted a video from Dan Bongino on FB last night.  In the  video, Bongino paints Parler as a victim of "liberal tech companies" and pleads with people to quickly make an account in the hours before it is shut down.  "I don't even care about the money" - yeah, right.  Bongino uses language like "They are coming for you next".

I really hope there isn't a critical mass of these lunatics.  

Fantastic that it asked people to upload their government id to verify their accounts.  That will make the FBI's job much easier.

The moment that they allowed it to be used to organized an effort to storm Congress and kill our leaders, they went from what I saw as amusing analogy to the Omega House Rush Week Couch, (with Jugdish and Clayton), to an enemy of the people. They wanted to kill the Vice President.  He's an American, not a democRAT. They may be a confederacy of dunces, but they seem determined to end the American experiment, and they will be back to try again. Time to take away their tools.  Make them all text Roger for instructions. 

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13 minutes ago, shaggy said:

OMG that is so poetic.  A fucking 8th grader could have done that... I am in the biz and that is just criminal.  And the fact that the dipshits actually uploaded their DL.  PRiceless.  Hope whoever did this puts it front page in the NYT...  

 

Or just post it to twit and FB..  LOL

Yup. Me too. Can't imagine outsourcing auth with a fail open in the event of the third party connection failing.

Users failed to understand all the meta data was sucked up when uploading photos,  videos etc. as well.

So,  lat, long, time, etc for all those capitol photos. 

Oh dear.

 

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2 minutes ago, dfw_sailor said:

Yup. Me too. Can't imagine outsourcing auth with a fail open in the event of the third party connection failing.

Users failed to understand all the meta data was sucked up when uploading photos,  videos etc. as well.

So,  lat, long, time, etc for all those capitol photos. 

Oh dear.

 

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