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7 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

“I guess a blowjob in the parking lot is out of the question.”

Like everything in life, it depends upon more than one thing.  Generally, oral sex can be quite a thing.

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Some folks take great pride in their ignorance and go out of their way to flaunt it, even to exaggerate it. They like to show it off like they are wearing a lair of the latest Air Jordans. I don't get

You are talking about folks that were taking selfies, some with their company IDs hanging from their necks. Burner phones to cover their tracks?  I'm surprised they didn't order delivered pizzas

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6 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

Get Garland to appoint Comey as a Special Prosecutor to run the investigation into the insurrection and stand back because heads will explode.  

This, Oh Please THIS!!!!!!!

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4 hours ago, shaggy said:
10 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

Get Garland to appoint Comey as a Special Prosecutor to run the investigation into the insurrection and stand back because heads will explode.  

This, Oh Please THIS!!!!!!!

Brilliant!

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8 hours ago, learningJ24 said:

That was pretty much 538's analysis, which made sense, although Comey's motivations are really known only to him. I don't know anything DOJ's guidance on disclosing those types of investigations.  

Well, not only that but the Gray Lady (NYT) also had the Drumph FBI investigation story late in 2016 . . 

and they sat on it while splashing the bogus HRC email crapola all over the front page. 

They are culpable as well . . 

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Reality is a bitch.

Capitol riot defendants facing jail have regrets. Judges aren’t buying it.

For many accused of attempting to obstruct the certification of the U.S. presidential election on Jan. 6, arrest was a reality check. Now they are getting another.

As defendants charged in the Capitol siege have been coming through court, some have been shifting blame onto former president Donald Trump, downplaying their actions or expressing remorse. But federal judges — particularly those who work a few blocks from the Capitol — aren’t buying it.

One judge called a defendant’s claim of civil disobedience “detached from reality.” Another verbally smacked down an attorney who tried to use the QAnon conspiracy theory to explain his client shouting “kill them all.” Other judges have been giving defendants civics lessons on how democracy works.

U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell, the chief federal jurist for the District of Columbia, responded incredulously to one defense attorney who said his client believed Trump requested his unlawful conduct. She said if a president could sanction overturning an election he would be no different from “a king or a dictator” and “that is not how we operate here.”

When the attorney added that the man, the accused leader of a Proud Boys group, had been “chastened rather than emboldened” by the federal charges and his anti-government “fever has broken,” Howell clapped back.

“Essentially, that’s what your argument is, saying, ‘Whoops,’ now?” Howell asked. “Has he expressed any remorse or rejection of his membership in the Proud Boys, a gang of nationalist individuals? Does he reject the fantasy the election was stolen? Does he regret the positions that animated the mob on Jan. 6? Is there anything on the record about any of those things?”

“Whoops” is, essentially, what many of the accused are now saying.

Through attorneys, at least six of the relatively small number of defendants arguing for release from jail pending trial have claimed that their disillusionment with Trump should be considered as a factor. Some, like the horned “QAnon Shaman” Jacob Chansley, have cast themselves as both victims and perpetrators.

“Please be patient with me and other peaceful people who, like me, are having a very difficult time piecing together all that happened to us, around us, and by us,” he said in a public statement. “We are good people who care deeply about our country.”

Chansley, after failing to get a pardon from the president, offered to testify against him in the impeachment trial.

Some tie their delusions to involvement with militant right-wing groups and the consumption of far-right news, both of which amplified baseless claims that the election was illegitimate and that Trump would retake power by force.

Jessica Watkins, a 38-year-old member of the Oath Keepers extremist group from Woodstock, Ohio, intended “not ... to overthrow the government, but to support what she believed to be the lawful government,” public defender Michelle Peterson of D.C. argued in court filings. “She fell prey to the false and inflammatory claims of the former president, his supporters, and the right wing media.”

Friends and family of Watkins echoed that claim in court filings. One described her as “brainwashed by those deeply entrenched in conspiratorial beliefs.” Watkins’s fiance, with whom she co-owns a bar, wrote that his girlfriend “has no desire to resume militia activities” and “wishes to ignore politics and focus on serving cocktails and cooking food.”

Watkins is accused of involvement in a conspiracy among Oath Keepers and their associates to storm the Capitol building; prosecutors point to comments she made about fighting and dying as evidence that they planned to capture and possibly harm lawmakers.

Dominic Pezzola, a New Yorker, says he got involved with the Proud Boys last fall and had “honorable intentions” when he used a police riot shield to break a window at the Capitol, his attorney wrote last week; he believed he was “protecting his country.” Pezzola “now realizes he was duped into these mistaken beliefs” and “is consumed with guilt.”

Prosecutors say Pezzola was among the first people to charge through barricades onto Capitol grounds, reach the building’s walls and flood its west plaza. Once there, he acknowledges that he confronted police and grabbed a riot shield, becoming the first to breach a window that rioters could enter through.

Judges have yet to rule on Pezzola and Watkins’s bids for release. But Howell rejected an argument by attorneys for accused Kansas City Proud Boy William Chrestman that his conduct at the Capitol was authorized by the president.

“President Trump ... for four years bragged that if he murdered someone on Fifth Avenue, his followers would still follow him,” she said, and added, “So if President Trump instructed members of the Proud Boys gang to murder somebody, and they did, that would be a legal excuse and immunize them from any liability for a criminal act?”

Prosecutors have not asked to detain the bulk of more than 300 rioters charged federally, many of whom are accused of only misdemeanor trespassing, have no criminal record, and have shown work, family and community ties or public or military service. Judges have also pushed back at jailing individuals whose crimes do not involve violence. Many have been spared jail unless they have been alleged to be “one of the individuals who banged down doors, sprayed pepper spray or bear spray at law enforcement officers, injured law enforcement officers, poked out eyes of police in the building,” as one judge recited in releasing a commissioner of a county in New Mexico pending trial.

But in detaining about 54 individuals on grounds that they pose a risk of flight, danger to the community or are charged with certain violent offenses, and weighing requests to modify release conditions, courts have given urgent civics lessons, educating defendants and the public on the real-life functioning of American democracy, as opposed to the fever dreams of partisan manipulators.

“American democracy didn’t always exist. It started with a Declaration of Independence and a Revolutionary War, followed by the Articles of Confederation. That original founding document contained one branch of government — a Congress. It proved insufficient,” U.S. Magistrate Philip R. Lammens began a detention order for alleged Florida state leader Oath Keeper Kelly Meggs.

After a rebellion, founders agreed on a stronger government with three branches, an electoral college, and certification of winners by both houses of Congress and the vice president, Lammens wrote.

What happened on Jan. 6. “wasn’t just one on an entire branch of our government (including a member of the executive branch), but it was an attack on the very foundation of our democracy.”

Meggs attorney David Wilson declined to comment.

U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols agreed that Gina Bisignano, accused of inciting other rioters to violence, could be safely released on “strict conditions.” But he pushed back when defense attorney Charles Peruto argued that the Beverly Hills salon owner was engaging in “free speech,” got “swept up in the moment” and “drank the Trump kool aid” when she shouted encouragement to rioters through a bullhorn on Jan. 6.

“She was an active person in a riot that aimed to prevent by violent means a normally quiet but critical step in the peaceful transition of power,” said Nichols, a Trump appointee and the newest member of the court. “Her actions fly in the face of common decency and fly in the face of democracy and the rule of law.”

Howell as chief judge has reviewed a particularly large number of Capitol cases, including appeals of detention rulings by lower courts nationwide, as well as her own assigned defendants.

A former longtime top Senate Judiciary Committee staffer whose courthouse office looks onto friends and former colleagues at the Capitol, three blocks away, Howell has noted how Jan. 6 has turned parts of the capital city into a militarized fortress surrounded by razor-topped fencing and road blocks, off limits both to city’s residents and visitors.

In the QAnon case, Howell rejected an attorney’s explanation that when his client shouted “kill them all” in the Capitol — referring to lawmakers — he didn’t mean he would do so personally, but that he believed lawmakers would be executed by proper authorities in a Judgment Day apocalypse.

“QAnon believers will confront facts and reality in court,” she said. “What happened January 6 is no fantasy for people inside the Capitol, or for people in the country. The defendant is entitled to his beliefs. He can believe the QAnon theory. He can believe the earth is flat. He can believe what he wants, but he is not entitled to break the law.”

One of Howell’s predecessors as chief judge, U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth, similarly told attorneys for a pair of defendants that characterizing their behavior “as mere trespassing or civil disobedience is both unpersuasive and detached from reality.”

Lamberth, a former Army captain and prosecutor appointed to the federal bench in 1987, ordered detained Lisa Eisenhart and Eric Munchel, a mother and son who prosecutors say allegedly entered the Capitol in tactical gear and armed with a stun gun, searching for “traitors.” 

Defense attorneys for Munchel and Eisenhart argued that the president “invited” all Americans into the Capitol. Lamberth rejected that argument.

“By word and deed, [Eisenhart and Munchel] supported the violent overthrow of the United States government,” and pose “a clear danger to our republic,” Lamberth wrote. “Indeed, few offenses are more threatening to our way of life.”

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30 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

So essentially they are trying to use the "Stupidity Defense".

Well, it's certainly accurate but it won't work.

It's more of a whoopsie defense but the results are the same.

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too bad the REAL FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW will never be applied to these fools

 

if they were ghetto kids who committed a felony  and someone died with a connection to the crime they would be facing murder charges

as that is very common locally even when it is a BIG stretch to connect the crime to the death state pigs will try hard to do that

with this mess being middle aged white guys I see little chance of it happening here

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Revealed: Meet The Trump Fanatic Who Tasered A Cop At The Capitol Insurrection

The man in the red “MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN” hat seemed to think he was untouchable. He joined the mob as they yelled “HEAVE! HO!” and tried to force their way through a police line into the Capitol building. Once inside, he used a pole to ram against a window, trying to shatter it and bring more people into the Capitol. In the most disturbing footage of all, he was caught on camera appearing to shock D.C. Metropolitan Police Officer Mike Fanone with a stun gun. As rioters push Fanone down the stairs and away from other cops, video shows the man in the red cap pressing a small black device against the officer’s neck. Fanone instantly drops to the ground, swallowed by the mob.

The story of Fanone’s battle with Donald Trump supporters trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election went viral soon after their Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol. Fanone self-deployed to the Capitol that day, hoping to aid his fellow officers in a fight he’d later describe as “some medieval shit.” Fanone recalled a man yelling to other rioters to kill him with his own gun. “I have kids!” Fanone screamed, wondering if he’d ever see his four daughters again. He was beaten. He described being tasered in the neck. He suffered a mild heart attack.

His assailant in the red MAGA hat, who has been at large since the insurrection, is 38-year-old Daniel Joseph Rodriguez from Fontana, California, HuffPost can confirm.

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22 hours ago, Olsonist said:

A California man went to the Capitol riots. His manager fired him and told the FBI.

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/California-man-wore-shirt-job-logo-manager-FBI-15982541.php

That's gotta suck. I feel for him (just not very much).

I don't feel for him in the slightest.  Unless he was truly medically diagnosed as mentally challenged, then I have zero sympathy for him and the rest of these people who got suckered into believing a demonstratively false narrative.  It doesn't mean that we shouldn't also vigorously focus on and punish those at the top of the food chain who laid the foundation for these monstrous lies - but the folks who bought into it need to be made an example of as well.  We still hung lowly nazi concentration camp guards while we simultaneously went after the big fish as well.  

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15 hours ago, Gouvernail said:

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Agreed.  But I would change the punchline to instead read:  ".......But not this, then you may need to be put down and removed from the gene pool"  

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4 minutes ago, Mark K said:

Probably a little "Crying Game" action going on with "her" at some of the Proud Boys functions.  

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1 minute ago, Burning Man said:

Probably a little "Crying Game" action going on with "her" at some of the Proud Boys functions.  

If "she" didn't tell them, receiving the news they gonna be like..

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1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

I don't feel for him in the slightest. 

There is a mathematical term, epsilon, which no matter how small you think it is, it's smaller than that. An RCH is infinitely larger than epsilon. That is how little I pity I have for him. However, I will admit that I feel more pity for him than you do, but that's only because I'm a bleeding heart liberal.

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A Capitol rioter said he posed as antifa, feds say, then boasted he beat police who ‘got exactly what they deserved’

The day before a pro-Trump mob stormed the U.S. Capitol, William Robert Norwood III texted a group of friends and family to boast he had traveled to D.C. with a plan to fool the police. “I’m dressing in all black,” Norwood texted a group chat on Jan. 5, according to images included in a federal criminal complaint filed last week. “I’ll look just like ANTIFA. I’ll get away with anything.”

Then, after joining in the mob, assaulting police officers and storming the Capitol rotunda, federal agents said, Norwood texted the group again to boast that his ploy had been a success. “It worked,” Norwood texted, along with photos of himself wearing a police officer’s vest that he allegedly took from the Capitol. “I got away with things that others were shot or arrested for.”

Norwood was arrested in Greer, S.C., on Feb. 25 and charged with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, obstruction of justice and Congress, theft of government property and other charges. He does not yet have an attorney listed in court records. Federal agents buttressed the criminal complaint against Norwood with text messages he allegedly sent about joining in the riot — including contradictory messages taking credit for attacking police, while also blaming the violence on antifascists.

In texts sent on Jan. 7 allegedly recounting his role in the riot, Norwood claimed he “fought 4 cops” and “got a nice helmet and body armor off a cop for God’s sake and I disarmed him.” He then sent a selfie that allegedly showed him posing in a stolen tactical vest.

He told the FBI the text messages were sent to make him “sound tough.”

“The cops who acted s---ty got exactly what they deserved,” Norwood texted. “The ones who were cool, got help.”

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2 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

One can hope.

I'm curious why Sasse voted against him.

Looks like the entire TeamR! Congressional caucus has decided (once again) that any thing that is good for any Democrat, or anybody any Democrat likes, they hate.

- DSK

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9 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

I'm curious why Sasse voted against him.

Looks like the entire TeamR! Congressional caucus has decided (once again) that any thing that is good for any Democrat, or anybody any Democrat likes, they hate.

- DSK

Sasse had to vote against him because he didn't stand up to Bitch McC to get Garland a hearing 5 years ago. He didn't want to look like a hypocrite....:rolleyes:

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5 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Sasse had to vote against him because he didn't stand up to Bitch McC to get Garland a hearing 5 years ago. He didn't want to look like a hypocrite....:rolleyes:

He prefers to look like a snivelling puke instead?

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Iowa police find live pipe bomb at polling center: ‘Attempted violence against our democracy’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/02/pipe-bomb-iowa-polling-center/

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More than a dozen voters had already cast ballots for a school district election inside a community center in Ankeny, Iowa, on Tuesday when a pair of dog walkers strolling through the parking lot spotted a suspicious-looking package.

When police responded, they found a live pipe bomb. The community center was evacuated and voting at the site was halted for several hours as specialists in heavy bomb suits carefully disarmed the device.

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4 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I hope Y'all Qaeda does try.  And, I hope they are met with overwhelming force.

 

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A friend told me about this plot a month ago. He said that his neighbors were saying that Trump would be reinstated as POTUS on March 4.....

I hope the LEOs don't take any prisoners this time.

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41 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I hope Y'all Qaeda does try.  And, I hope they are met with overwhelming force.

 

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Lets hope so - PA has been awfully boring since the demise of the shitstain.

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42 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

A friend told me about this plot a month ago. He said that his neighbors were saying that Trump would be reinstated as POTUS on March 4.....

I hope the LEOs don't take any prisoners this time.

The story is, he will be the 19th POTUS.  All since U.S. Grant have been "illegitimate".  I guess that would include The Former Guy, right?

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49 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:
56 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I hope Y'all Qaeda does try.  And, I hope they are met with overwhelming force.

 

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A friend told me about this plot a month ago. He said that his neighbors were saying that Trump would be reinstated as POTUS on March 4.....

I hope the LEOs don't take any prisoners this time.

What are the Qanon and other cultists going to do when this one fails??

July 4th is my bet.

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59 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I hope Y'all Qaeda does try.  And, I hope they are met with overwhelming force.

 

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Is Roger Stone in DC today, or is he home in Florida? 

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9 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

The story is, he will be the 19th POTUS.  All since U.S. Grant have been "illegitimate".  I guess that would include The Former Guy, right?

Since he was illegitimate, he should not have a pension or SS protection.

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So if they storm the capitol am speculating how many will be shot before they shit and run. I predict fewer than I have fingers. Main prediction is the middle finger.

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Tom will be along shortly to trivialize this. Guy will be concerned yet optimistic. Jeff will place the blame where the blame should be placed, on the Democrats.

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22 minutes ago, mad said:

What are the Qanon and other cultists going to do when this one fails??

July 4th is my bet.

If they stay with the pattern (2 days less than 2 months later), they will expect the next "Inauguration" on May 2nd. 

Every patriot knows that is the actual date the Founding Fathers wanted for our Nation's Birthday. 

But, it was cold and raining, so they opted for July 4th, instead.  

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4 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

If they stay with the pattern (2 days less than 2 months later), they will expect the next "Inauguration" on May 2nd. 

Every patriot knows that is the actual date the Founding Fathers wanted for our Nation's Birthday. 

But, it was cold and raining, so they opted for July 4th, instead.  

But subtract a day for good measure and it'll happen on May Day because SOCIALISM!

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1 minute ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

But subtract a day for good measure and it'll happen on May Day because SOCIALISM!

Not sure they have the bandwidth for both addition AND subtraction at the same time.

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27 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

If they stay with the pattern (2 days less than 2 months later), they will expect the next "Inauguration" on May 2nd. 

Every patriot knows that is the actual date the Founding Fathers wanted for our Nation's Birthday. 

But, it was cold and raining, so they opted for July 4th, instead.  

Historically, May 2nd has been the elk's least favorite day of the year.

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2 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

A friend told me about this plot a month ago. He said that his neighbors were saying that Trump would be reinstated as POTUS on March 4.....

I hope the LEOs don't take any prisoners this time.

I don't see LEO's allowing anything close to a breach to happen again.  And I think the only way this happens is perimeters established at varying distances. And the last perimeter is where people are shot when they breach it.  Maybe even when they attempt to.  Sorta like that gal that took a round to the chest trying to get through the window. 

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

But subtract a day for good measure and it'll happen on May Day because SOCIALISM!

Anyone else here remember the May Day riots in 1970?

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1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

Not sure they have the bandwidth for both addition AND subtraction at the same time.

That pesky 5G issue again. 

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Sen. Gary Peters: “Were you able to get immediate approval from the Secretary of Army to deploy in June when there was violence?”
Gen. William Walker, DC National Guard: “I was, yes sir.”
Sen. Peters: “Were you able to get that same immediate approval in January?”
General Walker: “No sir.”
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They (reich) have already won.  What a bunch of worthless representatives, cowards to nth.  Well in fairness, they realise that law enforcement can't be trusted.

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1 hour ago, bletso said:

They (reich) have already won.  What a bunch of worthless representatives, cowards to nth.  Well in fairness, they realise that law enforcement can't be trusted.

They could have asked us for help.

I'm mostly joking.

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2 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

They could have asked us for help.

I'm mostly joking.

You guys already had a turn.

Next up is BLM, then either the Russians or the Chinese (depends on the highest bidder).

- DSK

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The Wall Street Journal has done some great work here. And the Proud Boys need some great counsel.

Wall Street Journal video shows Proud Boy Ethan Nordean involved in Jan. 6 insurrection - The B-Town (Burien) Blog (b-townblog.com)

No commission or major investigation is needed, to make my mind up, after this video. 

https://www.wsj.com/video/video-investigation-proud-boys-were-key-instigators-in-capitol-riot/37B883B6-9B19-400F-8036-15DE4EA8A015.html

All this focused behavior, and from Trump down, they are simultaneously pointing fingers at "Antifa."

 

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Trump appointee arrested in connection with Capitol riot

The FBI on Thursday arrested Federico Klein, a former State Department aide, on charges related to the storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6, marking the first known instance of an appointee of President Donald Trump facing criminal prosecution in connection with the attempt to block Congress from certifying President Joe Biden’s victory.

An FBI lookout bulletin issued two weeks after the Capitol assault included a photo of Klein, prompting two tipsters to contact the FBI and finger him as the man in that picture, according to an affidavit filed in federal court in Washington.

The affidavit says video from police body-worn cameras on Jan. 6 shows Klein jamming a riot shield into doors at the Capitol as police were trying to secure them to keep the mob out. Klein was also heard on video trying to encourage others to clash with the police, the complaint says.

"We need fresh people, we need fresh people,” Klein shouted repeatedly, according to the complaint. In much of the video, he is wearing the Trump campaign's trademark "Make America Great Again" red hat.

Klein is charged with several felonies, including assault on police officers, interfering with police during civil disorder and obstruction of an official proceeding, as well as lesser offenses.

Klein worked on Trump’s 2016 campaign and was then hired at the State Department. As of last summer, he was listed in a federal directory as serving as a special assistant in the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs and was designated as a “Schedule C” political appointee.

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Hahahahahahahahaha...

Federico Klein, former Trump appointee charged in Capitol riot, wants jail cell without cockroaches

A former Trump political appointee charged with battling police during the Capitol riot told a federal judge his jail cell is crawling with insects.

Federico Klein, 42, was arrested Thursday and was held at the Washington, D.C., jail. During a brief court appearance by telephone Friday afternoon, he was advised of the six charges against him, two of which carry a maximum of 20 years in prison.

A hearing was set for Tuesday, March 9, on whether he must be detained pending trial.

When told he would remain in custody until next week’s hearing, he said, "I'm wondering if there's a place that I could stay in detention where I don't have cockroaches crawling everywhere while I attempt to sleep. I haven't slept very much. "

A public defender assured him he would be in a different cell Friday night.

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2 minutes ago, hobie1616 said:

Hahahahahahahahaha...

Federico Klein, former Trump appointee charged in Capitol riot, wants jail cell without cockroaches

A former Trump political appointee charged with battling police during the Capitol riot told a federal judge his jail cell is crawling with insects.

Federico Klein, 42, was arrested Thursday and was held at the Washington, D.C., jail. During a brief court appearance by telephone Friday afternoon, he was advised of the six charges against him, two of which carry a maximum of 20 years in prison.

A hearing was set for Tuesday, March 9, on whether he must be detained pending trial.

When told he would remain in custody until next week’s hearing, he said, "I'm wondering if there's a place that I could stay in detention where I don't have cockroaches crawling everywhere while I attempt to sleep. I haven't slept very much. "

A public defender assured him he would be in a different cell Friday night.

If I have to choose between cockroaches and bubba, I'm taking the roaches.

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2 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

If I have to choose between cockroaches and bubba, I'm taking the roaches.

He'll really be in trouble if both his judge and cellmate are named Maximum Bob.

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'It's not fair!' Capitol suspect who put feet on Pelosi's desk has court outburst

Barnett, a self-proclaimed white nationalist, began to yell at US district judge Christopher Cooper, saying “it’s not fair” that he should remain in custody as he awaits trial.

“Everybody else who did things much worse are already home,” he told Cooper during the virtual hearing, according to court records and reporters listening in. “I’ve been here for a month, they’re going to set it for another month, and everybody else is getting out.”

In a statement to NBC News, Joseph D McBride, Barnett’s attorney, denies that his outburst was directed at the judge.

“Mr Barnett’s frustration stems from the fact that he is incarcerated pre-trial, despite lacking any criminal history, being gainfully employed, respected in his community and in a stable relationship for over 20 years,” the statement said. “Normally, facts like these are more than enough for an individual to fight their case from the outside.”

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9 minutes ago, hobie1616 said:

'It's not fair!' Capitol suspect who put feet on Pelosi's desk has court outburst

Barnett, a self-proclaimed white nationalist, began to yell at US district judge Christopher Cooper, saying “it’s not fair” that he should remain in custody as he awaits trial.

“Everybody else who did things much worse are already home,” he told Cooper during the virtual hearing, according to court records and reporters listening in. “I’ve been here for a month, they’re going to set it for another month, and everybody else is getting out.”

In a statement to NBC News, Joseph D McBride, Barnett’s attorney, denies that his outburst was directed at the judge.

“Mr Barnett’s frustration stems from the fact that he is incarcerated pre-trial, despite lacking any criminal history, being gainfully employed, respected in his community and in a stable relationship for over 20 years,” the statement said. “Normally, facts like these are more than enough for an individual to fight their case from the outside.”

It isn’t just unfair.  It is SO Unfair. 

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14 minutes ago, hobie1616 said:

'It's not fair!' Capitol suspect who put feet on Pelosi's desk has court outburst

Barnett, a self-proclaimed white nationalist, began to yell at US district judge Christopher Cooper, saying “it’s not fair” that he should remain in custody as he awaits trial.

“Everybody else who did things much worse are already home,” he told Cooper during the virtual hearing, according to court records and reporters listening in. “I’ve been here for a month, they’re going to set it for another month, and everybody else is getting out.”

In a statement to NBC News, Joseph D McBride, Barnett’s attorney, denies that his outburst was directed at the judge.

“Mr Barnett’s frustration stems from the fact that he is incarcerated pre-trial, despite lacking any criminal history, being gainfully employed, respected in his community and in a stable relationship for over 20 years,” the statement said. “Normally, facts like these are more than enough for an individual to fight their case from the outside.”

The poor poor baby

His punishment will be to get put in the same cell with Buffalo Bikini Guy and listen to him whine about not getting vegan cuisine and make his spirit chants.

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On 3/3/2021 at 12:07 PM, Olsonist said:

Jeff will place the blame where the blame should be placed, on the Democrats.

That seems not only unlikely but silly as well.  Why would I place the blame on myself, since I IS one.  I'm one of you now, remember?

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1 minute ago, Burning Man said:

That seems not only unlikely but silly as well.  Why would I place the blame on myself, since I IS one.  I'm one of you now, remember?

LOLZ.

You is not a DemocRAT.  We won’t have you.

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There are some entertaining clowns involved in this fiasco. I never realized so many lawyers are idiots.

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The lawyer for the horned shaman who became one of the most iconic figures involved in the storming of the Capitol in January is in hot water with a federal judge after facilitating an interview that the judge said violated federal rules.

At a hearing Friday on the case against QAnon follower Jacob Chansley, U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth dressed down Chansley’s attorney Al Watkins for using his privileges as a lawyer to arrange an interview with Chansley for the online edition of “60 Minutes.”

“Can you tell me how that came about?” Lamberth asked Watkins. “It seems to me that you visited as a subterfuge.”

Lamberth said the Marshals Service policy for federal pretrial prisoners requires numerous clearances for an interview, including the U.S. Attorney’s office, the judge and those running the detention facility. The judge said he was asked by the marshals if he’d approved the interview at the Alexandria Detention Center and he said he had not.

Watkins, who is based in St. Louis, denied any effort to mislead.

“There’s no subterfuge here, at all. ... I did not under any circumstances try to conduct subterfuge to this court, certainly, and not to the facility where my client is currently housed,” the attorney said. "It's just not my style."

Nevertheless, Watkins appeared to concede that the jail was in the dark about his plans to use a virtual lawyers’ visit to make his client available to the media.

“The jail was only told this was an attorney-client interview video. I asked for a Zoom conference with him,” the defense lawyer said. “I didn’t tell them it was for an interview with '60 Minutes.’”

“I’m sure you didn’t,” Lamberth shot back.

In a sign of his displeasure, following the court hearing, the judge publicly released an email an Alexandria jail spokesperson sent to Watkins’ office last month making clear the various approvals needed.

The main topic of Friday’s court session was Chansley’s request to be released from custody as he awaits trial on the various charges he faces, including interfering with police during a civil disorder and obstruction of Congress.

Watkins has spent weeks working to portray Chansley as a harmless, well-meaning dupe, taken in by former President Donald Trump’s claims that the election was stolen and acting on the mistaken belief that the commander-in-chief was being truthful. He spent Friday’s hearing comparing Chansley to Forrest Gump, drawing attention to his hobbies as a painter and a potter and asserting that the “spearhead” attached to the pole Chansley wielded inside the Capitol was just decorative.

Chansley underscored those points in his “60 Minutes” interview.

“I sang a song. And that’s a part of shamanism,” he said. “It’s about creating positive vibrations in a sacred chamber. I also stopped people from stealing and vandalizing that sacred space, the Senate. OK?”

At Friday’s hearing, Watkins asserted that Chansley’s eccentric style — he breached the Capitol shirtless, in a horned headdress, with ample tattoos exposed — underscore that he was not a leader of the violent charge but a happy-go-lucky follower. He committed no violence inside the building and prevented the theft of muffins from a Capitol break room, the defense attorney said.

Watkins also argued that video shows Chansley simply sauntered into the Capitol and was, in fact, invited in by the police. “Capitol Police are walking down the steps. There’s no barricade. There are no police lines and the police are saying the building is yours,” the defense lawyer said. “If you see my client’s horns, he’s just strolling up the steps. ... The door my client walked into is actually being held by a Capitol policeman.”

Lamberth seemed incredulous about that claim, saying he’d seen a photo on the front page of The Washington Post showing a Capitol window being smashed just as Chansley moved through a nearby doorway.

Watkins also argued that releasing Chansley would be a gesture of goodwill and national reconciliation, ensuring that “people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule.”

“There are too many of them to hold them in disdain. There is compassion and patience that’s going to be required as a great many Americans extricate themselves from a longstanding, propaganda-ridden period of leadership,” the defense attorney said.

Bolding mine.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/05/capitol-riot-shaman-tv-interview-473921

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On 3/3/2021 at 11:58 AM, mad said:

What are the Qanon and other cultists going to do when this one fails??

July 4th is my bet.

April 1's the day. 

Remember you heard it here first.   

 

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April 1's the day. 

Remember you heard it here first.   

 

Not.

 Nobody would do anything so stupid on my birthday.

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38 minutes ago, Ishmael said:
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... Watkins also argued that video shows Chansley simply sauntered into the Capitol and was, in fact, invited in by the police. “Capitol Police are walking down the steps. There’s no barricade. There are no police lines and the police are saying the building is yours,” the defense lawyer said. “If you see my client’s horns, he’s just strolling up the steps. ... The door my client walked into is actually being held by a Capitol policeman.”

Lamberth seemed incredulous about that claim, saying he’d seen a photo on the front page of The Washington Post showing a Capitol window being smashed just as Chansley moved through a nearby doorway.

Watkins also argued that releasing Chansley would be a gesture of goodwill and national reconciliation, ensuring that “people like Jacob Chansley and millions of others who really did adore former President [Donald] Trump are not subject to retribution and ridicule.”

“There are too many of them to hold them in disdain. There is compassion and patience that’s going to be required as a great many Americans extricate themselves from a longstanding, propaganda-ridden period of leadership,” the defense attorney said.

Bolding mine.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/05/capitol-riot-shaman-tv-interview-473921

Yes, we saw that interview. I assumed it had been authorized by the judge in charge of the case.

Looks like the Buffalo Bikini Lawyerd has a degree from the Roger Stone Law Academy Of How To Fuck The System. Buffalo Bikini Shaman himself seemed like a nerdy bald approaching-middle-age loser who lives in his mom's garage, and is mad because his video game got interrupted; except he knows he not supposed to be mad he's supposed to be humble and repentant, except he's a piss-poor actor.

"Really adoring" that former guy does not give you a free pass for crimes, and giving an excuse to murder is not "reconciliation."

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12 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Yes, we saw that interview. I assumed it had been authorized by the judge in charge of the case.

Looks like the Buffalo Bikini Lawyerd has a degree from the Roger Stone Law Academy Of How To Fuck The System. Buffalo Bikini Shaman himself seemed like a nerdy bald approaching-middle-age loser who lives in his mom's garage, and is mad because his video game got interrupted; except he knows he not supposed to be mad he's supposed to be humble and repentant, except he's a piss-poor actor.

"Really adoring" that former guy does not give you a free pass for crimes, and giving an excuse to murder is not "reconciliation."

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"Fuck your feelings".

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How many vegans do any of you know, who wear fur, animal horns, or any kind of animal by product.... Even wool is taboo. Milk is taboo.

 Most of the proto-vegans I knew at college, when it first became popular, didn't understand that leather moccasins, and wool sweaters were something they shouldn't be wearing.... But the most fun was in the dining hall, where they had a table separate from the rest of us so that they didn't have to see us eating flesh.... The amount of Jell-O was stupendous..... Until someone told them it was made from cow hooves....

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6 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

How many vegans do any of you know, who wear fur, animal horns, or any kind of animal by product.... Even wool is taboo. Milk is taboo.

 Most of the proto-vegans I knew at college, when it first became popular, didn't understand that leather moccasins, and wool sweaters were something they shouldn't be wearing.... But the most fun was in the dining hall, where they had a table separate from the rest of us so that they didn't have to see us eating flesh.... The amount of Jell-O was stupendous..... Until someone told them it was made from cow hooves....

Apparently - according to a friend who was a student there - there was a coterie of hyper-militant vegans at the University of Oregon who wouldn't drink wine because yeast suffered in it's production.  

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8 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

Apparently - according to a friend who was a student there - there was a coterie of hyper-militant vegans at the University of Oregon who wouldn't drink wine because yeast suffered in it's production.  

I would like to think that at the very least, the yeast died happy.

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3 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

Hahahahahahahahaha...

Federico Klein, former Trump appointee charged in Capitol riot, wants jail cell without cockroaches

A former Trump political appointee charged with battling police during the Capitol riot told a federal judge his jail cell is crawling with insects.

Federico Klein, 42, was arrested Thursday and was held at the Washington, D.C., jail. During a brief court appearance by telephone Friday afternoon, he was advised of the six charges against him, two of which carry a maximum of 20 years in prison.

A hearing was set for Tuesday, March 9, on whether he must be detained pending trial.

When told he would remain in custody until next week’s hearing, he said, "I'm wondering if there's a place that I could stay in detention where I don't have cockroaches crawling everywhere while I attempt to sleep. I haven't slept very much. "

A public defender assured him he would be in a different cell Friday night.

Records show that Klein worked on the Trump campaign and became a low-level political appointee at the State Department shortly after former President Donald Trump took office. Klein resigned January 19, so he was still a federal employee on the day of the Capitol riot.

 

Holy shit!  ANTIFA infiltrated the trump campaign too?

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2 hours ago, Mike G said:

Records show that Klein worked on the Trump campaign and became a low-level political appointee at the State Department shortly after former President Donald Trump took office. Klein resigned January 19, so he was still a federal employee on the day of the Capitol riot.

 

Holy shit!  ANTIFA infiltrated the trump campaign too?

They are everywhere. You never know where antifascism will pop up.

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3 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

I would like to think that at the very least, the yeast died happy.

the yeast dried in a sea of its own piss - and surrounded by bubbles of their own farts   not a nice way to go.

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"Kilgore Trout once wrote a short story which was a dialogue between two pieces of yeast. They were discussing the possible purposes of life as they ate sugar and suffocated in their own excrement. Because of their limited intelligence, they never came close to guessing that they were making champagne.” 

quote from you know who

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A member of the Proud Boys was in contact with someone in former President Donald Trump's White House in the days before the Capitol Attack on January 6, The New York Times reported.

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42 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

A member of the Proud Boys was in contact with someone in former President Donald Trump's White House in the days before the Capitol Attack on January 6, The New York Times reported.

It's only matter of time before they uncover a direct link between those planning the Insurrection and The Former Guy.

I know it, you know it, and the Faithful know it.  They just won't admit it.

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41 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

It's only matter of time before they uncover a direct link between those planning the Insurrection and The Former Guy.

I know it, you know it, and the Faithful know it.  They just won't admit it.

It won't be TFG on the end of that exchange, but some flunky he can throw to the wolves. It's his MO.

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46 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

It's only matter of time before they uncover a direct link between those planning the Insurrection and The Former Guy.

I know it, you know it, and the Faithful know it.  They just won't admit it.

Senator wish-I-was-in-the-land-of Cotton sure doesn’t seem to want Merrick Garland confirmed anytime soon.... I wonder what he knows....

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Senator wish-I-was-in-the-land-of Cotton sure doesn’t seem to want Merrick Garland confirmed anytime soon.... I wonder what he knows....

The FBI said there was no evidence that R's in the Capitol were in contact with any of the insurrectionists during the seige, but I wonder about the lead-up to it.