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3 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Then, your use of the words "executed while unarmed" are rather peculiar.

He spacializes in that.

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Some folks take great pride in their ignorance and go out of their way to flaunt it, even to exaggerate it. They like to show it off like they are wearing a lair of the latest Air Jordans. I don't get

You are talking about folks that were taking selfies, some with their company IDs hanging from their necks. Burner phones to cover their tracks?  I'm surprised they didn't order delivered pizzas

We've had some bad experiences with pardoning nazis attempting a coup here in Germany. I'd strongly advice against such measures.

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5 hours ago, jzk said:

I am of the opinion that all three shootings were justified.

That's a good libertarian. Shoot first, ask questions later. Such is the way of small government. 

Chick in the Capitol, yes

Kid in the alley, yes

guy breaking into apartment, yes

dude in the car? no

 

BTW - a taser would have likely worked in 2 of the 4. Not really an option in the alley.

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Judge orders two Proud Boys leaders held in custody over Capitol attack

A federal judge has ordered two leaders of the far-right Proud Boys group to be detained in jail pending trial for their involvement in the 6 January attack on the Capitol in Washington DC.

Both were indicted in one of many Proud Boys conspiracy cases to stem from the investigation into the assault on the building that followed a pro-Donald Trump rally.

Ethan Nordean of Washington state and Joseph Biggs of Florida, along with two other Proud Boys regional leaders, are charged with conspiring to stop the certification of the 2020 election – and with organizing and leading dozens of Proud Boys to the Capitol.

Many of those followers were among the first to breach the building and cause damages in scenes of violence that shocked the world and led to five deaths.

“The defendants stand charged with seeking to steal one of the crown jewels of our country, in a sense, by interfering with the peaceful transfer of power,” the US district judge Timothy Kelly said as he explained his decision on Monday. “It’s no exaggeration to say the rule of law … in the end, the existence of our constitutional republic is threatened by it.”

The judge’s decision to detain the pair is a reversal of an earlier notion to release them after the Department of Justice argued for pre-trial detention based on new accusations in an updated indictment filed by prosecutors in March.

The judge cited profanity-laced social media posts and encrypted messages sent by the defendants, in which Biggs said it was time for “war” if Democrats “steal” the election and Nordean called for militia groups to contact him.

Though the evidence does not point to the defendants using direct physical violence against others on the day, Kelly said, their communications and movements before, during and after the riot showed they played a part in planning and leading the efforts that day, celebrated the events of the day and have not expressed remorse.

Nordean will be detained in Seattle as opposed to DC after the judge granted his defense attorney’s request to cease the transfer, arguing: “Capitol defendants have been violently assaulted in DC jail.”

Another alleged co-conspirator, Charles Donohoe, is set for his own detention hearing later on Monday afternoon.

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33 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Nazis.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Only problem is that they had a third-rate Hitler to lead them. Next time the US might not be so lucky.

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Tough talkin' pussy lets his morons take the fall.

Prosecutors’ challenge in Capitol riot probe: The Oath Keeper who didn’t go inside

The probe highlights the Justice Department’s focus on holding accountable leaders of militia and far-right groups whom prosecutors suspect played significant roles in encouraging and plotting the storming of the Capitol Jan. 6. It also underscores the difficulty in bringing cases against individuals who kept physical distance from the melee.

Federal prosecutors are seeking to build a criminal case against Stewart Rhodes, the firebrand founder of the anti-government Oath Keepers, on charges he conspired with members of his far-right organization to block the counting of electoral votes that day, according to federal law enforcement officials and a review of court documents. 

“There is always a greater challenge in implicating leaders and people who may be smart enough to keep away from the actual crime scenes,” said James Trusty, a former top Justice Department gang prosecutor.

 

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Feds Track Down Capitol Rioter With Facial Recognition Hit On His Girlfriend’s Instagram

Stephen Chase Randolph, federal authorities say, knocked over a U.S. Capitol Police officer manning the barriers at the building, “causing [Officer-1]’s head to hit the stairs behind her, resulting in a loss of consciousness.” He then “continued to assault two other USCP officers by physically pushing, shoving, grabbing, and generally resisting the officers and interfering with their official duties,” the federal officials said. 

The FBI then found Randolph’s Facebook page though his girlfriend’s Facebook account. On April 13, the federal authorities said, two FBI special agents went undercover at Randolph’s workplace and talked to him about the Capitol riot. Randolph, the feds said, said “shit went crazy” at the Capitol and that “it was fucking fun” to be a part of the mob. 

“RANDOLPH opined that the female police officer likely had a concussion because she was curled up in the fetal position after being pushed to the ground,” the affidavit states. He was arrested one week after the FBI’s undercover visit.

How do fish get caught dummy?

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3 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

Feds Track Down Capitol Rioter With Facial Recognition Hit On His Girlfriend’s Instagram

Stephen Chase Randolph, federal authorities say, knocked over a U.S. Capitol Police officer manning the barriers at the building, “causing [Officer-1]’s head to hit the stairs behind her, resulting in a loss of consciousness.” He then “continued to assault two other USCP officers by physically pushing, shoving, grabbing, and generally resisting the officers and interfering with their official duties,” the federal officials said. 

The FBI then found Randolph’s Facebook page though his girlfriend’s Facebook account. On April 13, the federal authorities said, two FBI special agents went undercover at Randolph’s workplace and talked to him about the Capitol riot. Randolph, the feds said, said “shit went crazy” at the Capitol and that “it was fucking fun” to be a part of the mob. 

“RANDOLPH opined that the female police officer likely had a concussion because she was curled up in the fetal position after being pushed to the ground,” the affidavit states. He was arrested one week after the FBI’s undercover visit.

How do fish get caught dummy?

Asshole deserves a 6" shark hook through his cheek.

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4 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

“RANDOLPH opined that the female police officer likely had a concussion because she was curled up in the fetal position after being pushed to the ground,”

A true man of the Reich. 

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4 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

Feds Track Down Capitol Rioter With Facial Recognition Hit On His Girlfriend’s Instagram

Stephen Chase Randolph, federal authorities say, knocked over a U.S. Capitol Police officer manning the barriers at the building, “causing [Officer-1]’s head to hit the stairs behind her, resulting in a loss of consciousness.” He then “continued to assault two other USCP officers by physically pushing, shoving, grabbing, and generally resisting the officers and interfering with their official duties,” the federal officials said. 

The FBI then found Randolph’s Facebook page though his girlfriend’s Facebook account. On April 13, the federal authorities said, two FBI special agents went undercover at Randolph’s workplace and talked to him about the Capitol riot. Randolph, the feds said, said “shit went crazy” at the Capitol and that “it was fucking fun” to be a part of the mob. 

“RANDOLPH opined that the female police officer likely had a concussion because she was curled up in the fetal position after being pushed to the ground,” the affidavit states. He was arrested one week after the FBI’s undercover visit.

How do fish get caught dummy?

You almost have to feel sorry for these sad sacks.

Almost.

Pure Dunning Kruger specimens.

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5 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

You almost have to feel sorry for these sad sacks.

Almost.

Pure Dunning Kruger specimens.

Nope. They’re lucky to be alive. They should have all been martyred the moment they attacked a cop or stormed through a barrier, door, or window into a space where they were not allowed. 

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CONGRESS

Lofgren: Capitol Police official being investigated for directions to pursue only 'anti-Trump' protesters Jan. 6

A Capitol Police official radioed units outside of the building on the morning of Jan. 6 and told them only to scout for anti-Trump troublemakers — not pro-Trump protesters, according to Rep. Zoe Lofgren, who described what she said were details of an internal investigation conducted in the aftermath of the mob attack.

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"This is not, and was never, under investigation by OPR," the official said, adding that the radio message was delivered at 8 a.m. "well before there were any issues with anybody in the Capitol."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/21/capitol-officer-investigated-antitrump-protestors-484048

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15 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

CONGRESS

Lofgren: Capitol Police official being investigated for directions to pursue only 'anti-Trump' protesters Jan. 6

A Capitol Police official radioed units outside of the building on the morning of Jan. 6 and told them only to scout for anti-Trump troublemakers — not pro-Trump protesters, according to Rep. Zoe Lofgren, who described what she said were details of an internal investigation conducted in the aftermath of the mob attack.

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"This is not, and was never, under investigation by OPR," the official said, adding that the radio message was delivered at 8 a.m. "well before there were any issues with anybody in the Capitol."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/21/capitol-officer-investigated-antitrump-protestors-484048

Whoops

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Whoops... maybe. Don’t jump to conclusions.

Violence and injuries could reasonably be expected to occur where Anti-Trumpers caught the attention of Oath Keepers and Proud Bois.

Reich wing groups had previously stated their intent to violently assault Antifa types with weapons, so concentrating a police presence in those areas would be effective policing.

Unless there is more specific info detailing intent to persecute anti-Trumpers through law enforcement powers this is a misunderstanding or possibly willful misinterpretation of routine communications  regarding crowd control strategy.

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Things are looking up this morning.

In Adding Matthew Greene to a Conspiracy with Dominic Pezzola, DOJ Formally Alleges the Proud Boys Committed a Crime of Terrorism 

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McCullough also revealed something that was not yet public: the government had rounded up another Proud Boy, Matthew Greene, and indicted him in what I call the Proud Boy “Front Door” conspiracy along with Dominic Pezzola and William Pepe. In doing so, they did something more important for their larger case. First, they changed the purpose of the conspiracy from what it was originally charged to match all the other militia conspiracies (from busting through the first door to obstructing the vote count). Here’s what the militia conspiracies currently look like as a result:



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The important part of yesterday's superseding Proud Boy indictment wasn't the new defendant. It's that DOJ aligned the indictment with all the other militia conspiracies and charged the other conspirators with Abetting Pezzola in breaking the window of Congress.



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In general, the government is charging Pepe and now Greene with more than they originally charged Pepe with based on a theory that they abetted Pezzola’s alleged crimes. But the critical change is highlighted. Originally (marked in pink), just Pezzola was charged for breaking the window through which the initial breach of the Capitol happened. But in this indictment (marked in yellow), DOJ charges Pepe and Greene for abetting Pezzola in breaking that window. 

The reason they did this is because 18 USC 1361 is the crime for which DOJ is arguing that all key Proud Boy defendants can be detained pre-trial, not just Pezzola, but also Joe Biggs, Ethan Nordean, Zach Rehl, and Charles Donohoe. In detention hearings, the government has argued that it counts not just as a crime of violence that allows the government to argue that a defendant is eligible for detention, but also that, because it was done to coerce the conduct of government, it triggers a terrorism designation for detention purposes. 

This is how the argument looks in detention memos: 
 

As it did before, the United States moves for detention pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3142(e)(3)(C), which provides a rebuttable presumption in favor of detention for an enumerated list of crimes, including Destruction of Property in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1361. The United States also seeks detention pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3142(f)(1)(A), because Destruction of Property, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1361, is a crime of violence. Moreover, when Destruction of Property is “calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion,” it also qualifies as a federal crime of terrorism. See 18 U.S.C. § 2332b(g)(5)(B).


https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.228300/gov.uscourts.dcd.228300.30.0_4.pdf 

 

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I am curious about the psychological profile of someone who calls him/her self a 'patriot' but is then charged as a 'terrorist'.  

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21 minutes ago, Bugsy said:

I am curious about the psychological profile of someone who calls him/her self a 'patriot' but is then charged as a 'terrorist'.  

Going out on a limb here,  I'm gonna say a distinct lack of critical thinking first and foremost.

Anybody can be a patriot however it takes a very special kind of stupid to be a partisan patriot.

I am more curious in the "patriots'  at the White House end of things, the ones that coordinated with these people and tried to overthrow an elected Government.

The former guy knew something big was going down, rather than walk with the masses, he adjourned to party and watch the shit happen.

Hopefully a few more patriots get labelled terrorists and spend time in jail.

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36 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

And the Prevarication Index gains another 20 points.

 

They didn't "stack" the courts. 

They just blocked the efforts of Democrats to fill vacancies.

Then, they installed white Christians, as God ordained it.

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2 hours ago, Bugsy said:

I am curious about the psychological profile of someone who calls him/her self a 'patriot' but is then charged as a 'terrorist'.  

In general someone's terrorist is another person's patriot. The German occupying forces in France chasing the various underground groups, saboteurs, infiltrators, and so on called them terrorists and they certainly did their best to terrorize, but if you were on our side they were resistance heroes and rightly so from our viewpoint.

If the coup had come off, Trump got installed as dictator-for-life, and Pence joined Pelosi hanging from a noose, the "terrorists" would be the Democrats and all the Proud Toddlers and so on would be the heroes of the official story.

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2 hours ago, Bugsy said:

I am curious about the psychological profile of someone who calls him/her self a 'patriot' but is then charged as a 'terrorist'.  

A sub 80 IQ explains a lot.

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3 hours ago, Bugsy said:

I am curious about the psychological profile of someone who calls him/her self a 'patriot' but is then charged as a 'terrorist'.  

Family tree that doesn’t branch. 
 

Dixiecrat. 
 

Judging from MTG’s donations...2021 Republican base. 

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8 hours ago, Bugsy said:

I am curious about the psychological profile of someone who calls him/her self a 'patriot' but is then charged as a 'terrorist'.  

I believe the scientific term for that is "loser". 

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14 minutes ago, Mark K said:

I believe the scientific term for that is "loser". 

Beat me to it....

Let's put it to music....

 

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21 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

The Worldwide Zionist Conspiracy Handbook calls them "schlemiels".

Does the Handbook have a section on the operation and maintenance of the Jewish Space Laser?

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27 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

The Worldwide Zionist Conspiracy Handbook calls them "schlemiels".

Does the Handbook have a section on the operation and maintenance of the Jewish Space Laser?

No, just an 800 number to report problems to the maintenance dept. However, if you log in to the website, you can submit targeting requests

- DSK

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3 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

No, just an 800 number to report problems to the maintenance dept. However, if you log in to the website, you can submit targeting requests

- DSK

Wow, that's like the Race Rocks camera with the ability to zap sea lions and shoot gulls out of the air. Maybe get the occasional whale watcher too. Cool.

http://64.251.74.41/viewer/live/en/live.html

 

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12 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

No, just an 800 number to report problems to the maintenance dept. However, if you log in to the website, you can submit targeting requests

- DSK

He said Jewish Laser, it would not be a free call. <making fun of unfounded stereotypes here>

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3 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Wow, that's like the Race Rocks camera with the ability to zap sea lions and shoot gulls out of the air. Maybe get the occasional whale watcher too. Cool.

http://64.251.74.41/viewer/live/en/live.html

 

From what I've heard, Fish boat captains in New England and off the North Coast of California call those "Speed bumps"

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1 minute ago, Cal20sailor said:

He said Jewish Laser, it would not be a free call. <making fun of stereotypes here>

There's no charge if you have a mustache and wear a yarmulke

Helps if you know some Yiddish, too

- DSK

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5 minutes ago, Mike G said:

 

Used car salesman, or is that just how RWNJs dress these days?

Republican Matt Gaetz faces call to resign by member of his own party |  Republicans | The Guardian

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1 hour ago, jerseyguy said:

If there is ever a remake of WKRP, Gaetz can play Herb Tarlek

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He'd be much more believable as a turkey plummeting from a helicopter at 500 feet.

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4 hours ago, Ishmael said:

The Worldwide Zionist Conspiracy Handbook calls them "schlemiels".

Putz is cross referenced as well.

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1 hour ago, Ishmael said:

He'd be much more believable as a turkey plummeting from a helicopter at 500 feet.

Wings clipped makes it much more exciting, that small window of possible recovery is what would attract the masses, they don't actually need to know the plummet was scheduled the day before Thanksgiving when most turkeys take on the aerodynamic qualities of a brick.

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He boasted on Bumble about storming Capitol, feds say. His would-be date turned him in: ‘We are not a match’

One week after the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, Robert Chapman sent a message to a prospective love interest on the dating app Bumble to brag that he had taken part.

“I did storm the capitol,” he said, according to court documents. “I made it all the way to Statuary Hall.”

His potential date wrote back: “We are not a match.” Then, the Bumble user contacted the police.

Thanks to the tip, Chapman was arrested by the FBI on Thursday and charged with trespassing at the U.S. Capitol and disrupting official government operations by allegedly participating in the deadly riot. Chapman had also bragged on Facebook about being in the insurrection, the FBI said — and even changed his profile picture to a selfie in the riot.

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22 minutes ago, hobie1616 said:

He boasted on Bumble about storming Capitol, feds say. His would-be date turned him in: ‘We are not a match’

One week after the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, Robert Chapman sent a message to a prospective love interest on the dating app Bumble to brag that he had taken part.

“I did storm the capitol,” he said, according to court documents. “I made it all the way to Statuary Hall.”

His potential date wrote back: “We are not a match.” Then, the Bumble user contacted the police.

Thanks to the tip, Chapman was arrested by the FBI on Thursday and charged with trespassing at the U.S. Capitol and disrupting official government operations by allegedly participating in the deadly riot. Chapman had also bragged on Facebook about being in the insurrection, the FBI said — and even changed his profile picture to a selfie in the riot.

You can't fix stupid but you can arrest them.

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Mainstream media and politicians exposed (again) for inventing and disseminating lies.  :ph34r: 

The Media Lied Repeatedly About Officer Brian Sicknick's Death. And They Just Got Caught.

Just as with the Russia Bounty debacle, they will never acknowledge what they did. Their audience wants to be lied to for partisan gain and emotional pleasure.

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https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-43 U.S. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) speaks during a congressional tribute to the late Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick who lies in honor in the Rotunda of the U.S. Capitol on February 3, 2021 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Erin Schaff-Pool/Getty Images)

It was crucial for liberal sectors of the media to invent and disseminate a harrowing lie about how Officer Brian Sicknick died. That is because he is the only one they could claim was killed by pro-Trump protesters at the January 6 riot at the Capitol.

So The New York Times on January 8 published an emotionally gut-wrenching but complete fiction that never had any evidence — that Officer Sicknick's skull was savagely bashed in with a fire extinguisher by a pro-Trump mob until he died — and, just like the now-discredited Russian bounty story also unveiled by that same paper, cable outlets and other media platforms repeated this lie over and over in the most emotionally manipulative way possible. Just watch a part of what they did and how:

As I detailed over and over when examining this story, there were so many reasons to doubt this storyline from the start. Nobody on the record claimed it happened. The autopsy found no blunt trauma to the head. Sicknick's own family kept urging the press to stop spreading this story because he called them the night of January 6 and told them he was fine — obviously inconsistent with the media's claim that he died by having his skull bashed in — and his own mother kept saying that she believed he died of a stroke.

 

But the gruesome story of Sicknick's “murder” was too valuable to allow any questioning. It was weaponized over and over to depict the pro-Trump mob not as just violent but barbaric and murderous, because if Sicknick weren't murdered by them, then nobody was (without Sicknick, the only ones killed were four pro-Trump supporters: two who died of a heart attack, one from an amphetamine overdose, and the other, Ashli Babbitt, who was shot point blank in the neck by Capitol Police despite being unarmed). So crucial was this fairy tale about Sicknick that it made its way into the official record of President Trump's impeachment trial in the Senate, and they had Joe Biden himself recite from the script, even as clear facts mounted proving it was untrue.

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Because of its centrality to the media narrative and agenda, anyone who tried to point out the serious factual deficiencies in this story — in other words, people trying to be journalists — were smeared by Democratic Party loyalists who pretend to be journalists as "Sicknick Truthers,” white nationalist sympathizers, and supporters of insurrection.

For the crime of trying to determine the factual truth of what happened, my character was constantly impugned by these propagandistic worms, as was anyone else's who tried to tell the truth about Sicknick's tragic death. Because one of the first people to highlight the journalistic truth here was former Trump official Darren Beattie of Revolver News and one of the few people on television willing to host doubts about the official story was Tucker Carlson, any doubts about the false Sicknick story — no matter how well-grounded in truth, facts, reason and evidence — were cast as fascism and white supremacy, and those raising questions smeared as "truthers”: the usual dreary liberal insults for trying to coerce people into submitting to their lies:

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Because the truth usually prevails, at least ultimately, their lies, yet again, all came crashing down on their heads on Monday. The District of Columbia’s chief medical examiner earlier this morning issued his official ruling in the Sicknick case, and it was so definitive that The Washington Post — one of the media outlets that had pushed the multiple falsehoods — did not even bother to try to mask or mitigate the stark conclusion it revealed:

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The first line tells much of the story: “Capitol Police officer Brian D. Sicknick suffered two strokes and died of natural causes a day after he confronted rioters at the Jan. 6 insurrection, the District’s chief medical examiner has ruled.” Using understatement, the paper added: “The ruling, released Monday, likely will make it difficult for prosecutors to pursue homicide charges in the officer’s death.”

This definitive finding from the medical examiner not only rids us of the Fire Extinguisher lie but also the second theory to which these media outlets resorted once they had to face the reality that they spent weeks spreading an outright lie (needless to say, they provided no real accountability or even acknowledgement for the fact that they did spread that Fire Extinguisher tale, instead just seamlessly moving to their next evidence-free claim). They changed their story to claim that pro-Trump protesters still murdered Sicknick, not with a fire extinguisher but with bear spray, which video shows at least one protester using in his vicinity.

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The problem with that theory is that bear spray is not usually fatal, and the medical examiner's findings ruled out the possibility that this is what caused his death:

In an interview with The Washington Post, Francisco J. Diaz, the medical examiner, said the autopsy found no evidence the 42-year-old officer suffered an allergic reaction to chemical irritants, which Diaz said would have caused Sicknick’s throat to quickly seize. Diaz also said there was no evidence of internal or external injuries….

Diaz said Sicknick suffered two strokes at the base of the brain stem caused by a clot in an artery that supplies blood to that area of the body. Diaz said he could not comment on whether Sicknick had a preexisting medical condition, citing privacy laws.

So there goes that second fairy tale. The Post did note the medical examiner's observation regarding Sicknick's participation in defending the Capitol that day that “all that transpired played a role in his condition.” That of course is true: just as it is true for the two pro-Trump supporters who had heart attacks that day and the other pro-Trump supporter who died from too much amphetamine in her system, having a stressful encounter as a police officer likely played a role in why someone would have two strokes the following day. But police officers are trained for stressful encounters, and that obviously is a far cry from being able to claim that any pro-Trump supporter murdered Sicknick.

I'll have much more on this story as it unfolds. A significant amount of media accountability is warranted. But you're seeing why there is so much resentment and so many attacks on platforms like this one that permit journalists to report and analyze facts and dissect media narratives without being constrained by liberal orthodoxies and pieties and while remaining immune from liberal pressure tactics: it's one of the few ways that real dissent to their lies and propaganda can be aired.

https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-43 The New York Times, in a now-”updated” article, Jan. 8, 2021

Truth matters. Noble lies are never justified no matter the cause, especially in journalism. But these employees of corporate media outlets have been taught the exact opposite model: that their primary obligation is to please and flatter the partisan agenda and political sensibilities of their audience even if it means lying or recklessly spreading unproven theories to do it. That is their profit model. And they have trained their audiences to want and expect this and that is why they never feel compelled to engage in any self-critique or accountability when they get caught doing this: their audiences want to be lied to — they are grateful for it — and would prefer that they not admit they did it so that their partisan interests will not be undermined.

What is most depressing about this entire spectacle is that, this time, they exploited the tragic death of a young man to achieve their tawdry goals. They never cared in the slightest about Officer Brian Sicknick. They had just spent months glorifying a protest movement whose core view is that police officers are inherently racist and abusive. He had just become their toy, to be played with and exploited in order to depict the January 6 protest as a murderous orgy carried out by savages so primitive and inhuman that they were willing to fatally bash in the skull of a helpless person or spray them with deadly gases until they choked to death on their own lung fluids. None of it was true, but that did not matter — and it still does not to them — because truth, as always, has nothing to do with their actual function. If anything, truth is an impediment to it.

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2 minutes ago, The Joker said:

The king bullshitter tries to deflect by omitting this part of his quote 

But police officers are trained for stressful encounters, and that obviously is a far cry from being able to claim that any pro-Trump supporter murdered Sicknick.

 

 

You pushed the bashed in the head lie for weeks.   The Blood clots that caused his death did not develop because of the protestors actions  no fire extinguisher no bear spray  

 Heart attacks can be caused by excessive stress,  a stroke the following day not so much.

 You peddled the lie just like the media.   

 

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I see Yolker has his panties all in a bunch. Didja hear about the Trumper who bragged he had stormed the White House?

He wore a Trump beanie, couldn't tell if the propeller was working.

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Blunt force trauma (any banging of the head) to the head can lead to blood clots in the blood vessels that lead to the brain, which then can and often does cause Stroke.

We've seen officer Sicknik get whacked in the head by the fire extinguisher. That his skull wasn't crushed isn't the point. The point is that he had a stroke after suffering from a bump to the head.

It may not be obvious to those who would like to grasp at any slender straw that they can find, but to me, it's fairly obvious that the blunt force trauma to the head by the fire extinguisher very likely contributed to the stroke, and subsequent death of officer Sicknik.

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Blunt force trauma (any banging of the head) to the head can lead to blood clots in the blood vessels that lead to the brain, which then can and often does cause Stroke.

We've seen officer Sicknik get whacked in the head by the fire extinguisher. That his skull wasn't crushed isn't the point. The point is that he had a stroke after suffering from a bump to the head.

It may not be obvious to those who would like to grasp at any slender straw that they can find, but to me, it's fairly obvious that the blunt force trauma to the head by the fire extinguisher very likely contributed to the stroke, and subsequent death of officer Sicknik.

What I want to see is an African-American gentleman bashing a white cop in the head with a fire extinguisher who then dies and the other white cops standing around saying "Well go on home, must have been a stroke, no need to get all official with cuffs and paperwork and so on" when we all know said basher would have been ventilated by every round in every gun available and then tased a few times too.

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10 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Blunt force trauma (any banging of the head) to the head can lead to blood clots in the blood vessels that lead to the brain, which then can and often does cause Stroke.

We've seen officer Sicknik get whacked in the head by the fire extinguisher. That his skull wasn't crushed isn't the point. The point is that he had a stroke after suffering from a bump to the head.

It may not be obvious to those who would like to grasp at any slender straw that they can find, but to me, it's fairly obvious that the blunt force trauma to the head by the fire extinguisher very likely contributed to the stroke, and subsequent death of officer Sicknik.

He was never hit by a fire extinguisher.  It was a completely false story.  Or as Sol would say bullshit. 
 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brian-sicknick-fire-extinguisher/

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U.S. Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick died after being struck with a fire extinguisher during the pro-Trump Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021.

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10 minutes ago, The Joker said:

He was never hit by a fire extinguisher.

you are a lying piece of shit

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14 minutes ago, The Joker said:

He was never hit by a fire extinguisher.  It was a completely false story.  Or as Sol would say bullshit. 
 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brian-sicknick-fire-extinguisher/

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U.S. Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick died after being struck with a fire extinguisher during the pro-Trump Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021.

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Your return to PA is lamentable.

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25 minutes ago, Mid said:

you are a lying piece of shit

The liars are the main stream media that pushed the false story.  Despite the fact that the man’s mother stated he died from a stroke weeks ago   The medical examiner just made it official   Perhaps it hasn’t hit the news down under yet  


But the determination of a natural cause of death means the medical examiner found that a medical condition alone caused his death — it was not brought on by an injury. The determination is likely to significantly inhibit the ability of federal prosecutors to bring homicide charges in connection with Sicknick’s death.

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24 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Your return to PA is lamentable.

How ironic coming from someone that received a lifetime ban and snuck back in under a fake name. 

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He was never hit by a fire extinguisher

 

obviously it is possible to be that dumb as well as a lying piece of shit , nope not surprised .

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3 minutes ago, Mid said:

 

obviously it is possible to be that dumb as well as a lying piece of shit , nope not surprised .

Speaking of being an idiot.  Why are you ignoring the actual facts.  Or are you claiming that the medical examiner is lying? As are the Washington post,  the NYT’s and Snoops?   Seek help as your blinders are fucking up your perception. 

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you fokwit , your statement was that he was not hit by a fire extinguisher , krist but you are dumb

 

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Just now, Mid said:

you fokwit , your statement was that he was not hit by a fire extinguisher , krist but you are dumb

 

He wasn’t.   That was part of the lie.   Read the stories.   

NYT’s: 
Citing two unnamed law enforcement sources, the Times initially reported Sicknick “was struck with a fire extinguisher,” but on Feb. 16, 2021, the Times updated the story to note that those sources may not have provided accurate information, reporting:

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, The Joker said:

He wasn’t.   That was part of the lie.   Read the stories.   

NYT’s: 
Citing two unnamed law enforcement sources, the Times initially reported Sicknick “was struck with a fire extinguisher,” but on Feb. 16, 2021, the Times updated the story to note that those sources may not have provided accurate information, reporting:

 

 

 

Who exactly lied, and when are you going to revisit your “yoo hoo” thread you gutless coward?

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44 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Who exactly lied, and when are you going to revisit your “yoo hoo” thread you gutless coward?

Never started a yoo hoo thread whatever that is.  

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10 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Never started a yoo hoo thread whatever that is.  

Sure you did, you titled it “US Best prepared......”.   Classic fail thread in the manner of Happy Jack’s  “Yoo Hoo Mr. Obama..... “ thread.  You’ve tucked your tail and ran from that thread much like Malarkey did.

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Officer Sicknick died from a stroke from a blood clot after he sustained injuries while on duty at the Capitol building on Jan. 6. 2021.

 The repeated chant that he wasn't killed by a crushed skull from a fire extinguisher is pathetic.

 I thought these RWNJs were supposed to be pro police no matter what. Now that they have cop blood on their collective hands, it was just natural causes? Maybe George Floyd died from natural causes. Maybe Bryona Taylor died from natural causes. Maybe the next fucking 20 people gunned down in a Walmart, or their work place died from natural causes. Of course they all did. It's natural to die when your heart stops. It's the way god intended it to be. Let's all remember, that we are all created by god, in his own image. Every time one of us is killed, we kill a little piece of god.

Bless you all, and sleep well.

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4 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Officer Sicknick died from a stroke from a blood clot after he sustained injuries while on duty at the Capitol building on Jan. 6. 2021.

 The repeated chant that he wasn't killed by a crushed skull from a fire extinguisher is pathetic.

 I thought these RWNJs were supposed to be pro police no matter what. Now that they have cop blood on their collective hands......

So the medical examiner missed a crushed skull?   

It must really suck to live in such a delusional world of made up facts.   
 

The determination of a natural cause of death means the medical examiner found that a medical condition alone caused his death — it was not brought on by an injury.


 

 

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4 minutes ago, The Joker said:

So the medical examiner missed a crushed skull?   

It must really suck to live in such a delusional world of made up facts.   
 

The determination of a natural cause of death means the medical examiner found that a medical condition alone caused his death — it was not brought on by an injury.


 

 

What a coincidink.  Hit by a fire extinguisher then dies of natural causes!

Funni as fuck you are.

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On 4/24/2021 at 11:57 PM, Sol Rosenberg said:

Okay Bullshitter. 
 

 

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So the Capitol police got it wrong in their initial assessment, eh bullshitters? That doesn’t necessarily make them bullshitters, given that they had just been attacked by a bunch of seditious rednecks who were themselves fueled by bullshit. Good to see Greenwald and his bullshit repeaters leaving out the key line of the report to further their bullshitting. Some folks just never got taught to tell the truth. 
 

Our Justice department is still unraveling the threads, but as we see, there’s no place to hide, bullshitters. 

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10 hours ago, Fakenews said:

Who exactly lied, and when are you going to revisit your “yoo hoo” thread you gutless coward?

The best part about that thread is that it shows how well positioned the US was to respond to a potential pandemic, as we did in the Fearbola scare, but ends up being a chronology of top-down bumbling idiocy and bullshitting by the Pride of the GOP. Take away the bullshitting incompetent leadership and that thread might have been prophetic. 

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47 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

So the Capitol police got it wrong in their initial assessment, eh bullshitters? That doesn’t necessarily make them bullshitters, given that they had just been attacked by a bunch of seditious rednecks who were themselves fueled by bullshit. Good to see Greenwald and his bullshit repeaters leaving out the key line of the report to further their bullshitting. Some folks just never got taught to tell the truth. 
 

Our Justice department is still unraveling the threads, but as we see, there’s no place to hide, bullshitters. 

Oh I agree that there are threads that need to be unraveled.  Anyone that was involved in entering the capital needs to be charged.

 But this story also needs to be investigated. 

  Did the capital police get it wrong or did the 2 unknown sources linked in the NYT’s original story spread bullshit which the times printed and all the lemmings believed? 
 

Why almost 4 months for the report to come out?  

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39 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Oh I agree that there are threads that need to be unraveled.  Anyone that was involved in entering the capital needs to be charged.

 But this story also needs to be investigated. 

  Did the capital police get it wrong or did the 2 unknown sources linked in the NYT’s original story spread bullshit which the times printed and all the lemmings believed? 
 

Why almost 4 months for the report to come out?  

You can try to rally a group of bullshitters to change it to something you prefer but the real story will come out in court, where bullshitters don’t fare so well. 
 

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On March 14, Julian Elie Khater, 32, of State College, Pennsylvania, and George Pierre Tanios, 39, of Morgantown, West Virginia, were arrested for assaulting Officer Sicknick.

Khater and Tanios are each charged with one count of conspiracy to injure an officer; three counts of assault on a federal officer with a dangerous weapon; one count of civil disorder; one count of obstructing or impeding an official proceeding; one count of physical violence on restricted grounds, while carrying dangerous weapon and resulting in significant bodily injury; and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct, act of physical violence on Capitol grounds.

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/medical-examiner-finds-uscp-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes
 

I think I find the Capitol Police a bit more credible than you and the other bullshitters who seem to have overlooked the relevant comment from the ME. Because you bullshitters gotta bullshit. 
“all that transpired played a role in his condition.”
 

That might come out in court.... silly bullshitters  

 

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39 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

You can try to rally a group of bullshitters to change it to something you prefer but the real story will come out in court, where bullshitters don’t fare so well. 
 

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/medical-examiner-finds-uscp-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes
 

I think I find the Capitol Police a bit more credible than you and the other bullshitters who seem to have overlooked the relevant comment from the ME. Because you bullshitters gotta bullshit. 
“all that transpired played a role in his condition.”
 

That might come out in court.... silly bullshitters  

 

No problem with those that committed any assault on police  being charged with that assault.  
 

Glad you are jumping on that police respect  bandwagon. As it was pretty lonesome all last summer when police were being assaulted in the same manner as Jan 6th,  with little to no outrage from your Elk. 

 

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1 minute ago, The Joker said:

No problem with those that committed any assault on police  being charged with that assault.  
 

Glad you are jumping on that police respect  bandwagon. As it was pretty lonesome all last summer when police were being assaulted in the same manner as Jan 6th,  with little to no outrage from your Elk. 

 

Can you show where I ever disrespected any police officer doing his duty properly or might you be another one trying to gin up a bullshit straw man about me? 
 

While we are on the topic of you trying to gin up bullshit, how about substantiating cops being assaulted in the same manner last summer as they were at the Capitol. Cites please. 

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6 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Can you show where I ever disrespected any police officer doing his duty properly or might you be another one trying to gin up a bullshit straw man about me? 
 

While we are on the topic of you trying t