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5 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

To quote the esteemed General Powell, (RIP, Sir), we are “One Nation.”

He was handed a POS briefing that he presented to the UN for justification for that stupid war.  He resigned for his part.  He was a man of honor.

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Some folks take great pride in their ignorance and go out of their way to flaunt it, even to exaggerate it. They like to show it off like they are wearing a lair of the latest Air Jordans. I don't get

You are talking about folks that were taking selfies, some with their company IDs hanging from their necks. Burner phones to cover their tracks?  I'm surprised they didn't order delivered pizzas

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Trump files lawsuit to keep Jan. 6 documents from Congress

In a federal lawsuit, Trump said the committee's request was “almost limitless in scope,” and sought records with no reasonable connection to that day. He called it a “vexatious, illegal fishing expedition” that was “untethered from any legitimate legislative purpose,” according to the papers filed in federal court in the District of Columbia.

I say they should require he pronounce "vexatious", not to mention define it.  I remember when The Former Guy would've attacked a Democrat for pulling a stunt like this - challenging him/her with "what do you have to hide?"

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27 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

He was handed a POS briefing that he presented to the UN for justification for that stupid war.  He resigned for his part.  He was a man of honor.

Powell was used to legitimise WMD because everyone trusted and regarded him as a man of honour.

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Just now, Sidecar said:

Powell was used to legitimise WMD because everyone trusted and regarded him as a man of honour.

Exactly.  And he never got over that.  Just a shame.

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1 hour ago, hobie1616 said:

Well, yeah but, aren't PDs for anyone that can't afford a lawyer?

I fortunately don't know the answer to that.

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1 hour ago, hobie1616 said:

Well, yeah but, aren't PDs for anyone that can't afford a lawyer?

Sometimes you can afford a lawyer, and dont qualify for a PD, however, you dont want to spend the money it takes for a defense and become bankrupt.  You are probably screwed either way.

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2 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

I fortunately don't know the answer to that.

Miranda would say that.  Does anyone remember the birth of Kojak and the case that birthed Miranda?

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8 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

The judge warned the ex-police chief that he has never seen anyone successfully represent himself since his appointment to the bench in 1987.

Hostetter, who began teaching yoga after more than 20 years as an officer, told Lamberth that the “corruption of this investigation” is one reason he wants to represent himself. His finances also were a factor.

“I believe that it’s a governmental strategy and tactic that if they can’t convict you, they at least want to bankrupt and destroy you,” Hostetter said.

 

Hostetter is very aware how the legal system can ruin someone financially as he did it to probably thousands of people over the course of his career.

Time for him to put his money where his mouth insurrection is. If it's worth fighting for it's worth defending in court, right?

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Trump files lawsuit to keep Jan. 6 documents from Congress

In a federal lawsuit, Trump said the committee's request was “almost limitless in scope,” and sought records with no reasonable connection to that day. He called it a “vexatious, illegal fishing expedition” that was “untethered from any legitimate legislative purpose,” according to the papers filed in federal court in the District of Columbia.

I say they should require he pronounce "vexatious", not to mention define it.  I remember when The Former Guy would've attacked a Democrat for pulling a stunt like this - challenging him/her with "what do you have to hide?"

Talk about irony,  describing the committees actions as vexatious from one of the most vexatious litigants' ever.

Projection, it's what he does. The faithful remain oblivious. 

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7 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

Talk about irony,  describing the committees actions as vexatious from one of the most vexatious litigants' ever.

Projection, it's what he does. The faithful remain oblivious. 

I think you spelled "odious" wrong.

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4 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Trump files lawsuit to keep Jan. 6 documents from Congress

In a federal lawsuit, Trump said the committee's request was “almost limitless in scope,” and sought records with no reasonable connection to that day. He called it a “vexatious, illegal fishing expedition” that was “untethered from any legitimate legislative purpose,” according to the papers filed in federal court in the District of Columbia.

I say they should require he pronounce "vexatious", not to mention define it.  I remember when The Former Guy would've attacked a Democrat for pulling a stunt like this - challenging him/her with "what do you have to hide?"

Totally the words of an innocent man that is anxious for the truth to get out.

Plus.....it will shine the light on the REAL culprits....ANTIFA.

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13 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Trump files lawsuit to keep Jan. 6 documents from Congress

In a federal lawsuit, Trump said the committee's request was “almost limitless in scope,” and sought records with no reasonable connection to that day. He called it a “vexatious, illegal fishing expedition” that was “untethered from any legitimate legislative purpose,” according to the papers filed in federal court in the District of Columbia.

I say they should require he pronounce "vexatious", not to mention define it.  I remember when The Former Guy would've attacked a Democrat for pulling a stunt like this - challenging him/her with "what do you have to hide?"

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Talk about irony,  describing the committees actions as vexatious from one of the most vexatious litigants' ever.

Projection, it's what he does. The faithful remain oblivious. 

I like how the author wrote "He (The Former Guy) called it...." and then used words completely beyond the understanding of a man who feels the need to use descriptors indicative of a 4th grade reading level.

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14 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Trump files lawsuit to keep Jan. 6 documents from Congress

In a federal lawsuit, Trump said the committee's request was “almost limitless in scope,” and sought records with no reasonable connection to that day. He called it a “vexatious, illegal fishing expedition” that was “untethered from any legitimate legislative purpose,” according to the papers filed in federal court in the District of Columbia.

I say they should require he pronounce "vexatious", not to mention define it.  I remember when The Former Guy would've attacked a Democrat for pulling a stunt like this - challenging him/her with "what do you have to hide?"

Um, I'm pretty sure the purpose of this committee  isn't legislation.

Seems like a setup for a claim of inadequate representation down the line to me.

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24 minutes ago, Willin' said:

Um, I'm pretty sure the purpose of this committee  isn't legislation.

Seems like a setup for a claim of inadequate representation down the line to me.

Where is the requirement that Congress can only obtain information for legislative purposes? Where that the case, there would never be an impeachment investigation.

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On 10/17/2021 at 11:08 AM, hobie1616 said:

Daniel “D.J.” Rodriguez ... worried that his “mom’s going to find out” what he did.

This sums up the TFG fanatic.  Snowflakes, all.

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Another mental midget...

A man stole a Capitol Police officer’s baseball cap on Jan. 6, feds say. He wore it on his YouTube channel.

Hours after Darrell Neely joined a mob of President Donald Trump supporters as they stormed the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6, he invited three friends to a video call to recap his day. During the chat, Neely showed off several items he claimed to have nabbed from the Capitol, three witnesses told FBI agents.

He flashed four china plates, a baseball cap, and a jacket with a silver badge on the front and white letters on the back, court documents state.

“Neely boasted that he had attacked a [U.S. Capitol Police] officer and had taken the USCP jacket, badge, name tag, and baseball cap from the officer,” a person described as Witness 3 told investigators.

Neely, who runs an online conservative radio station called Global Enlightenment Radio Network, didn’t hide his souvenirs. In the days that followed, he wore the Capitol Police baseball cap during several broadcasts on his network’s YouTube channel, according to the FBI.

Now, Neely faces five federal charges of theft of government property, entering a restricted building, disorderly conduct in a restricted building and a Capitol building, and demonstrating at a Capitol building. He was arrested in D.C. on Monday.

Court documents do not say whether Neely has an attorney. He did not immediately respond to The Washington Post’s request for comment early Tuesday.

As the first anniversary of the deadly insurrection approaches, federal prosecutors continue to charge alleged rioters. Neely is one of more than 600people accused of breaching the Capitol on Jan. 6. On Oct. 1, a mother and son were arrested for allegedly helping steal a laptop from the office of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). A week later, federal agents arrested two women for their alleged role in the riot. One claimed she stole beer from Pelosi’s office.

The FBI first became aware of Neely’s activity at the Capitol on Jan. 9, when investigators received a tip from someone claiming Neely had entered the building. Agents soon identified him through video footage that showed him in the Capitol while appearing “to be holding a marijuana cigarette,” court documents state. He was also captured leaving the building while holding a cellphone.

Investigators matched the surveillance footage with an image of Neely in law enforcement databases. They also used subpoenaed cellphone data to prove he was in the vicinity of the Capitol on Jan. 6, according to investigators.

FBI agents spoke with three witnesses who worked with Neely at his radio network. The trio spoke with Neely twice on Jan. 6 in group calls, according to court documents. They also told investigators they spoke with Neely in a Facebook Messenger group chat on Jan. 6 and 7.

Witness 1 said during the first call, a portion of which was on video, Neely entered the Capitol and narrated what he was seeing, according to court documents. The second video call was around 5:30 p.m., Witness 1 said, as Neely left Capitol grounds.

Witness 2 recalled Neely telling them that he “acquired a jacket as a souvenir,” according to court documents. Witness 1 added that Neely claimed the jacket belonged to a Capitol Police officer.

Later that night, Neely allegedly sent a picture of off-white china plates with an eagle in the center to the Facebook Messenger group.

“Based on what Neely said, Witness 2 believed it was stolen from the Capitol,” investigators said.

According to court documents, Witness 3 saw Neely on the evening of Jan. 6. Witness 3 said Neely showed off the four china plates and a Capitol Police jacket, badge, name tag and baseball cap, according to investigators. (The officer to whom the items belong later told investigators that he or she removed them while decontaminating from tear gas and could not find the items after.)

In the days after the Capitol riot, Neely spoke about his experience at the insurrection, the FBI said. Investigators watched several of his broadcasts and noted that Neely wore a Capitol Police baseball cap in some of the videos.

Agents interviewed Neely two times, during which he said he went to the Capitol to document the rally “because he felt the events were newsworthy,” according to court documents. He also admitted to going into the Capitol and showed investigators videos he took while inside. He agreed to send the FBI images he took on Jan. 6, including a selfie on Capitol grounds.

A federal judge signed a warrant for Neely’s arrest on Sept. 30. Neely was released from jail following his arrest, court records show. He is due in federal court in D.C. on Tuesday.

 

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All of these defendants need to start suing the people that told them to do what they did. Just say, I am an idiot for doing what I did. So and so said to do this.

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On 10/18/2021 at 7:16 PM, Cal20sailor said:

Miranda would say that.  Does anyone remember the birth of Kojak and the case that birthed Miranda?

The Marcus-Nelson Murders, 1973

(how do you remember this trivia?)

Miranda Rights were created in 1966 as a result of the United States Supreme Court case of Miranda v. Arizona. 

 

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Army Kicks Out Hitler Mustache-Wearing Solider Who Allegedly Breached Capitol, Says Report

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A far-right fanatic who liked to wear a Hitler mustache has reportedly been kicked out of the U.S. Army after officials learned about his alleged breach of the U.S. Capitol during the pro-Trump riot on Jan. 6. Timothy Hale-Cusanelli, 31, was an Army sergeant who worked part-time as a human-resources as a civilian contractor at a naval base in New Jersey up until May of this year. However, according to The Washington Post, he’s since been demoted and given an other-than-honorable discharge, bringing an end to his military career. Hale-Cusanelli has pleaded not guilty to federal charges of illegally entering the Capitol and harassing police officers during the Capitol riot. Following his arrest, Hale-Cusanelli’s colleagues told Navy investigators that he held extreme racist views and likes to wear Hitler mustache at work. One sailor alleged that Hale-Cusanelli once said that, if he were a Nazi, “he would kill all the Jews and eat them for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and he wouldn’t need to season them because the salt from their tears would make it flavorful enough.” His lawyer didn’t comment on the claims.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/timothy-hale-cusanelli-kicked-out-of-us-military-after-alleged-capitol-breach 

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That pathetic clown can't even grow a decent Hitler moustache.

A bad discharge from the military is much the same as a criminal record in the real world isn't it?

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23 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

That pathetic clown can't even grow a decent Hitler moustache.

A bad discharge from the military is much the same as a criminal record in the real world isn't it?

Kinda, used to be a Bad Conduct Discharge was like getting branded. Most employers preferred ex-cons over BCD, on the assumption that ex-cons had at least learned somewhat of a lesson.  But I'm not sure anybody even pays attention to that stuff any more.

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37 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

That pathetic clown can't even grow a decent Hitler moustache.

A bad discharge from the military is much the same as a criminal record in the real world isn't it?

No, it can be looked upon unfavorably, but it is just a consequence of a military determination. VA benefits such as the GI bill, and VA loans are dead, they can qualify for medical benefits if it applies. This guy was a reservist, and is why he was working a civilian job, his reserve or guard pension is gone, and he is ineligible to join any other branch of service. It will affect some jobs, he won't qualify for a security clearance, and will not be eligible for some government jobs.

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Now It's Getting Real: Jim Jordan May Be the Next Subpoened by the House Select Committee

 

There is a reason that Kevin McCarthy nominated Jim Jordan for the proposed bipartisan January 6th commission. There was a reason that Nancy Pelosi immediately rejected Jordan as a possible material witness. 

There is a reason that during the January 6th riots, when Jim Jordan sought to “protect the ladies” (his words) in Congress and offered to help Liz Cheney, she told him to not dare touch her and that he wasn’t helping her because “YOU, fcking did this,” which we always believed to be an awfully personal statement in the moment because we doubt that was “you,” plural. She said “Jordan” did this (certainly with others, though there is no proof as of yet). 

The reason is that in some way, somehow, perhaps by “appearance only,” (but likely much more), everyone in Congress knows that Jim Jordan had something to do with January 6th, even if it was just advanced knowledge. 

The committee thinks Jordan knows something because many believe that the committee is about to subpoena Jordan – an extraordinary move. We don’t know how often Congress has sought to subpoena another member of Congress, it cannot happen often. 

https://www.politicalflare.com/2021/10/now-its-getting-real-jim-jordan-may-be-the-next-subpoened-by-the-house-select-committee/ 

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37 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Now It's Getting Real: Jim Jordan May Be the Next Subpoened by the House Select Committee

 

There is a reason that Kevin McCarthy nominated Jim Jordan for the proposed bipartisan January 6th commission. There was a reason that Nancy Pelosi immediately rejected Jordan as a possible material witness. 

There is a reason that during the January 6th riots, when Jim Jordan sought to “protect the ladies” (his words) in Congress and offered to help Liz Cheney, she told him to not dare touch her and that he wasn’t helping her because “YOU, fcking did this,” which we always believed to be an awfully personal statement in the moment because we doubt that was “you,” plural. She said “Jordan” did this (certainly with others, though there is no proof as of yet). 

The reason is that in some way, somehow, perhaps by “appearance only,” (but likely much more), everyone in Congress knows that Jim Jordan had something to do with January 6th, even if it was just advanced knowledge. 

The committee thinks Jordan knows something because many believe that the committee is about to subpoena Jordan – an extraordinary move. We don’t know how often Congress has sought to subpoena another member of Congress, it cannot happen often. 

https://www.politicalflare.com/2021/10/now-its-getting-real-jim-jordan-may-be-the-next-subpoened-by-the-house-select-committee/ 

And Mo Brooks, Josh Hawley, Paul Gosar...

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Capitol riot defendant sentenced to 14 months for Parler threat: ‘Lets hunt these cowards down’

A Texas man charged in the Capitol riot was sentenced to 14 months of incarceration Thursday after pleading guilty to a felony count of making an interstate threat based on social media posts from his Washington hotel room on Jan. 6 and 7.

Troy Smocks, 59, was the second person to be sentenced among the 15 felony defendants who have pleaded guilty to charges related to the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob.

Smocks, of Dallas, admitted posting a message on Parler as ‘ColonelTPerez’ the day after the riot that was viewed at least 54,000 times, stating: “Prepare our weapons, and then go get’em. Lets hunt these cowards down like the Traitors that each of them are. This includes RINOS, Dems, and Tech Execs. We now have the green light.”

U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan of Washington rejected the request by prosecutors and Smocks’s attorney for a time-served sentence at the low end of eight to 14 months recommended by federal guidelines, and dismissed his claim that he was treated more harshly because of his race.

“I have not seen a scintilla of evidence that prosecutors’ decisions have been racially motivated,” Chutkan told Smocks, both of whom are Black.

“You come here and try to make yourself out as a victim of racism, and again, I find that offensive,” the judge said. She said riot defendants were treated based on their conduct and rejected some supporters’ comparisons likening their actions to those of racial justice protesters after George Floyd was killed last year by a Minneapolis police officer.

“People protesting largely peacefully for the civil rights of a murdered unarmed man is not the same as an attempt to violently disrupt the operations of Congress. Those two are not the same, and that’s a false equivalency,” Chutkan said.

The judge, a former public defender, said she believed “every individual is capable of change and growth, but I’m not optimistic in your case.”

She cited Smocks’s history of 17 convictions beginning when he was 18, many of them involving deception or fraud and the impersonation of the military or police, and what she called his apparent lack of remorse.

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“I have not seen a scintilla of evidence that prosecutors’ decisions have been racially motivated,” Chutkan told Smocks, both of whom are Black.

Somehow I don't think MLK and all the others risking and sacrificing their lives for equality back in the 50's & 60's ever contemplated it leading to something like this.

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6 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Now It's Getting Real: Jim Jordan May Be the Next Subpoened by the House Select Committee

 

There is a reason that Kevin McCarthy nominated Jim Jordan for the proposed bipartisan January 6th commission. There was a reason that Nancy Pelosi immediately rejected Jordan as a possible material witness. 

There is a reason that during the January 6th riots, when Jim Jordan sought to “protect the ladies” (his words) in Congress and offered to help Liz Cheney, she told him to not dare touch her and that he wasn’t helping her because “YOU, fcking did this,” which we always believed to be an awfully personal statement in the moment because we doubt that was “you,” plural. She said “Jordan” did this (certainly with others, though there is no proof as of yet). 

The reason is that in some way, somehow, perhaps by “appearance only,” (but likely much more), everyone in Congress knows that Jim Jordan had something to do with January 6th, even if it was just advanced knowledge. 

The committee thinks Jordan knows something because many believe that the committee is about to subpoena Jordan – an extraordinary move. We don’t know how often Congress has sought to subpoena another member of Congress, it cannot happen often. 

https://www.politicalflare.com/2021/10/now-its-getting-real-jim-jordan-may-be-the-next-subpoened-by-the-house-select-committee/ 

Will he follow the lead of Steve Bannon?

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40 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Will he follow the lead of Steve Bannon?

Of course.  He knows he's screwed.

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39 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Will he follow the lead of Steve Bannon?

I dunno, but he would be pretty stupid if he did. I expect him  to make a circus out of it, and imitate his daddy with a lot of "I don't remember". He confounded them pretty well at the Ohio State hearings, so don't expect much unless they got the goods on him.

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3 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I dunno, but he would be pretty stupid if he did. I expect him  to make a circus out of it, and imitate his daddy with a lot of "I don't remember". He confounded them pretty well at the Ohio State hearings, so don't expect much unless they got the goods on him.

Lots of rope gets tangled.

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1 minute ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Oh I think it is his phone records they want. Documentary evidence won’t bullshit and it always remembers. 

They want him lie his face off over phone records they already have.

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1 minute ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Oh I think it is his phone records they want. Documentary evidence won’t bullshit and it always remembers. 

Do you believe me or your lying eyes?

The attack on truth extends to video, audio and science.

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46 minutes ago, hasher said:

Do you believe me or your lying eyes?

The attack on truth extends to video, audio and science.

Absolutely, but they have to go after his phone records (if the don’t already have them). No way will he give any more testimony. 

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3 hours ago, hasher said:

The attack on truth extends to video, audio and science.

Here's the truth.

Take a sip.

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Naught more can be said or written . . . 

Riley Williams, 22, white: US Capitol insurrectionist, stole a computer, tried to sell it to Russia. Released in 72 hrs. Charged 9 months after.

Kalief Browder, 17, Black: Allegedly stole a backpack. Held at Rikers Island for 3 yrs, no trial, 2 yrs solitary. Committed suicide.

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On 10/23/2021 at 9:10 AM, hobie1616 said:

U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan

This, she is gonna be a major problem for the bullshitters cause she don't like bullshit,  and furthermore she has already expedited TFGs " lets tie this up in legal for years",  Exec Privilege bullshit,  roll on Nov 4th!

TFG a bankrupt loser is looking better everyday.

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On 10/22/2021 at 4:10 PM, hobie1616 said:

The judge, a former public defender, said she believed “every individual is capable of change and growth, but I’m not optimistic in your case.”

It's pretty rare for a judge to be a former public defender. Much more common for judges to be former prosecutors. We could use more like her.

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On 10/22/2021 at 4:10 PM, hobie1616 said:

Capitol riot defendant sentenced to 14 months for Parler threat: ‘Lets hunt these cowards down’

A Texas man charged in the Capitol riot was sentenced to 14 months of incarceration Thursday after pleading guilty to a felony count of making an interstate threat based on social media posts from his Washington hotel room on Jan. 6 and 7.

Troy Smocks, 59, was the second person to be sentenced among the 15 felony defendants who have pleaded guilty to charges related to the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob.

Smocks, of Dallas, admitted posting a message on Parler as ‘ColonelTPerez’ the day after the riot that was viewed at least 54,000 times, stating: “Prepare our weapons, and then go get’em. Lets hunt these cowards down like the Traitors that each of them are. This includes RINOS, Dems, and Tech Execs. We now have the green light.”

U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan of Washington rejected the request by prosecutors and Smocks’s attorney for a time-served sentence at the low end of eight to 14 months recommended by federal guidelines, and dismissed his claim that he was treated more harshly because of his race.

“I have not seen a scintilla of evidence that prosecutors’ decisions have been racially motivated,” Chutkan told Smocks, both of whom are Black.

“You come here and try to make yourself out as a victim of racism, and again, I find that offensive,” the judge said. She said riot defendants were treated based on their conduct and rejected some supporters’ comparisons likening their actions to those of racial justice protesters after George Floyd was killed last year by a Minneapolis police officer.

“People protesting largely peacefully for the civil rights of a murdered unarmed man is not the same as an attempt to violently disrupt the operations of Congress. Those two are not the same, and that’s a false equivalency,” Chutkan said.

The judge, a former public defender, said she believed “every individual is capable of change and growth, but I’m not optimistic in your case.”

She cited Smocks’s history of 17 convictions beginning when he was 18, many of them involving deception or fraud and the impersonation of the military or police, and what she called his apparent lack of remorse.

That’s the judge hearing Trump’s deflect and delay exec privilege suit. She seems unfair to bullshitters. SO Unfair. 

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Want to bet this guy is still waiting to be paid?

Trump Advisers Enlisted Ex-Army Psy-Ops Specialist in Bid to Overturn Election

A team of Donald Trump’s lawyers and associates who launched a last-ditch effort to stay in power ahead of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot enlisted the help of a retired Army colonel who specialized in psychological operations, The Washington Post reports. The so-called legal “command center” at the ritzy Willard hotel in Washington, D.C. featured Rudy Giuliani, former NYPD commissioner Bernard Kerik, and former White House Chief of Staff Steve Bannon. John Eastman, the lawyer who authored the memo outlining how then-Vice President Mike Pence could suspend the Senate’s certification of the 2020 presidential election’s results, also made appearances at the “war room,” where Team Trump pushed the lie that he had won the election and reportedly devised ways to pressure Pence into stopping certification. Among those involved in the effort, according to the Post, was Phil Waldron, a former Army officer with expertise in psychological operations. Waldron led a team analyzing state election data he said gave credence to Trump’s claims of widespread voter fraud.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-advisors-enlisted-ex-army-psy-ops-colonel-phil-waldron-to-make-case-for-overturning-election 

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Want to bet this guy is still waiting to be paid?

Trump Advisers Enlisted Ex-Army Psy-Ops Specialist in Bid to Overturn Election

A team of Donald Trump’s lawyers and associates who launched a last-ditch effort to stay in power ahead of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot enlisted the help of a retired Army colonel who specialized in psychological operations, The Washington Post reports. The so-called legal “command center” at the ritzy Willard hotel in Washington, D.C. featured Rudy Giuliani, former NYPD commissioner Bernard Kerik, and former White House Chief of Staff Steve Bannon. John Eastman, the lawyer who authored the memo outlining how then-Vice President Mike Pence could suspend the Senate’s certification of the 2020 presidential election’s results, also made appearances at the “war room,” where Team Trump pushed the lie that he had won the election and reportedly devised ways to pressure Pence into stopping certification. Among those involved in the effort, according to the Post, was Phil Waldron, a former Army officer with expertise in psychological operations. Waldron led a team analyzing state election data he said gave credence to Trump’s claims of widespread voter fraud.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-advisors-enlisted-ex-army-psy-ops-colonel-phil-waldron-to-make-case-for-overturning-election 

I’m surprised we haven’t heard about any occult “experts” being retained

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On 10/22/2021 at 10:28 PM, badlatitude said:

Good guess, but I really hope it is more than that, I would love to see him grow old in jail

A local defense attorney was held in contempt.  He lost the appeal.  He served a weekend in jail.  

The press followed it and quoted him saying he caught up on his reading.

Over a beer he admitted it fucking sucked.  He has a bit of an attitude.  Has gang tatoos on his knuckles.

Little don would find jail insufferable the first time he put on the jump suit.  That would be enough for me to see.

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Has gang tatoos on his knuckles.

That would be enough to dismiss him from consideration if I were looking for a lawyer.

I ran across a yacht broker years ago that had those trite "Love" & "Hate" tats on his knuckles.

He failed to gain my custom.

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

I’m surprised we haven’t heard about any occult “experts” being retained

Don't ever be surprised by the American right, they were running this country by Astrology 40 years ago.

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5 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Don't ever be surprised by the American right, they were running this country by Astrology 40 years ago.

I would have guessed Ass-trology, since that's where they seem to get their information from.

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1 hour ago, hasher said:

A local defense attorney was held in contempt.  He lost the appeal.  He served a weekend in jail.  

The press followed it and quoted him saying he caught up on his reading.

Over a beer he admitted it fucking sucked.  He has a bit of an attitude.  Has gang tatoos on his knuckles.

Little don would find jail insufferable the first time he put on the jump suit.  That would be enough for me to see.

I would love to see him frog marched out of court, but I have doubt that will happen. There are just too many cowards in government who worry about retribution from his voters.

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2 hours ago, badlatitude said:

I would love to see him frog marched out of court, but I have doubt that will happen. There are just too many cowards in government who worry about retribution from his voters.

When the worm turns.

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It looks like it is all coming together.

EXCLUSIVE: Jan. 6 Protest Organizers Say They Participated in 'Dozens' of Planning Meetings

With Members of Congress and White House Staff 

As the House investigation into the Jan. 6 attack heats up, some of the planners of the pro-Trump rallies that took place in Washington, D.C., have begun communicating with congressional investigators and sharing new information about what happened when the former president’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol. Two of these people have spoken to Rolling Stone extensively in recent weeks and detailed explosive allegations that multiple members of Congress were intimately involved in planning both Trump’s efforts to overturn his election loss and the Jan. 6 events that turned violent. 

Rolling Stone separately confirmed a third person involved in the main Jan. 6 rally in D.C. has communicated with the committee. This is the first report that the committee is hearing major new allegations from potential cooperating witnesses. While there have been prior indications that members of Congress were involved, this is also the first account detailing their purported role and its scope. The two sources also claim they interacted with members of Trump’s team, including former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, who they describe as having had an opportunity to prevent the violence. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/exclusive-jan-6-organizers-met-congress-white-house-1245289/

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Gosar was allegedly offering Trump pardons to people who helped organize the J6 events.

 

 

As the House investigation into the Jan. 6 attack heats up, some of the planners of the pro-Trump rallies that took place in Washington, D.C., have begun communicating with congressional investigators and sharing new information about what happened when the former president’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol. Two of these people have spoken to Rolling Stone extensively in recent weeks and detailed explosive allegations that multiple members of Congress were intimately involved in planning both Trump’s efforts to overturn his election loss and the Jan. 6 events that turned violent. 

Rolling Stone separately confirmed a third person involved in the main Jan. 6 rally in D.C. has communicated with the committee. This is the first report that the committee is hearing major new allegations from potential cooperating witnesses. While there have been prior indications that members of Congress were involved, this is also the first account detailing their purported role and its scope. The two sources also claim they interacted with members of Trump’s team, including former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, who they describe as having had an opportunity to prevent the violence. 

The two sources, both of whom have been granted anonymity due to the ongoing investigation, describe participating in “dozens” of planning briefings ahead of that day when Trump supporters broke into the Capitol as his election loss to President Joe Biden was being certified. 

“I remember Marjorie Taylor Greene specifically,” the organizer says. “I remember talking to probably close to a dozen other members at one point or another or their staffs.” 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/exclusive-jan-6-organizers-met-congress-white-house-1245289/

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14 minutes ago, basketcase said:

If that were true, why are these treasonous scum bags only getting a slap on the wrist?

They weren't charged with treason.  

Edit:  Is that Perry Monument in your avatar?

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3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

That would be interesting, because it would make Donnie the official leader of the insurrection.

SSHHHHH, don't give away the ending!

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3 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

It’s the “Donnie Dumb Grift told me to do it” defense. 
 

 

I hope he got it in writing.

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I’m not sure why we should be impressed. Some people were involved with event planning and a second event (March on the Capitol) was tacked into what the original planners wanted to accomplish.

Except for a weird promise of pardons, there is nothing that appears remotely criminal about these claims.

Just a few folks who want to make sure they are treated as witnesses and not the focus of investigators. They say they don’t like Trump anymore, but are still onboard with his “agenda.”

Its like they are upset after they organized a block party, and a few loud neighbors invited the crowd around the corner to a blank wall, where some took spray paint and started doing graffiti. The organizers don’t know where the spray paint came from, or if there was intent by the neighbors, just that they don’t want to be blamed by the cops for the vandalism.

Fingerpointing, but nothing newsworthy other than promising pardons in advance of a protest.

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7 hours ago, Cal20sailor said:

They weren't charged with treason.  

Edit:  Is that Perry Monument in your avatar?

No... Its a decommissioned coal power plant in Toronto, Canada. Cheers

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9 hours ago, basketcase said:

Treason should be punishable by death.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-115
 

Seditious conspiracy seems closer to the mark than treason, to me…for some. Some are charged with it. 

Excellent, I didn't realize that some had been so charged, yet.

- DSK

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5 hours ago, phillysailor said:

I’m not sure why we should be impressed. Some people were involved with event planning and a second event (March on the Capitol) was tacked into what the original planners wanted to accomplish.

Except for a weird promise of pardons, there is nothing that appears remotely criminal about these claims.

Just a few folks who want to make sure they are treated as witnesses and not the focus of investigators. They say they don’t like Trump anymore, but are still onboard with his “agenda.”

Its like they are upset after they organized a block party, and a few loud neighbors invited the crowd around the corner to a blank wall, where some took spray paint and started doing graffiti. The organizers don’t know where the spray paint came from, or if there was intent by the neighbors, just that they don’t want to be blamed by the cops for the vandalism.

Fingerpointing, but nothing newsworthy other than promising pardons in advance of a protest.

There is merit in that caution, which is shared by some folks in the know…see below.  Otoh, why would they be talking in advance about pardons for a speaking engagement?  
 

 

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There’s a lot to unpack in the Rolling Stone bombshell report. Here’s a primer on some of the likely legal and political fallout from it.

On Sunday night, Rolling Stone dropped a bombshell story. Two witnesses considered key to the investigation of the January 6 Committee had been speaking extensively for weeks to reporter Hunter Walker about their role in organizing the pro-Trump rallies that took place on January 6. For the first time, these organizers named congressmembers as well as some key White House aides who had been part of the planning. 

The names should sound familiar: Along with QAnon-associated Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), “the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).” Among the White House staff named were former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Katrina Pierson, who had worked on Trump’s campaign in 2016 and 2020 and acted as “a key liaison between the organizers of the protest against the election and the White House.” 

At the time these meetings were happening, what was being planned wasn’t yet known to the public, but the fact of some kind of planning actually was known. Rep. Greene, for example, seemed quite proud of her involvement, as she demonstrated to her followers in a video right after one of the meetings. She stated, “Just finished with our meeting here at the White House this afternoon. We had a great planning session for our January 6th objection. We aren't going to let this election be stolen by Joe Biden and the Democrats!” 

While this is the first time the public is hearing from ordinary citizens on the inside of the White House efforts to stop the election—and there are already calls for the congressmembers to be expelled and prosecuted—the unnamed witnesses and certain congressmembers are already seeking to draw a big and likely crucial distinction: They claim that their organizing was for a peaceful protest to take place at the Ellipse near the White House, and that they were somehow duped when the rally took a turn, quite literally, and headed to Congress where the votes were being certified. 

Professor C.-C. Jay Kuo is presently Director of Media Communications Laboratory and Dean’s Professor of Electrical Engineering at the University of Southern California (USC). He is one of the most prolific researchers, an R&D trend-setter, and an internationally-recognized technology leader in the multimedia field for around 30 years with enduring impact on both the academic and industry realms. He has published about 250 journal papers, 900 conference papers and 14 books. His work has been cited more than 23,700 times and his h-index is 68 (source: Google Scholar)

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I'm finding it very hard to feel very optimistic on any of this good news.  I just know that in the end, there will be no real punishment for the foot soldiers, and there will be zero accountability for the congresscritters who participated as well as Don the Con.  I really hope to be surprised, but, I have seen too many build ups fizzle into a nothing burger.  

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39 minutes ago, MauiPunter said:

I'm finding it very hard to feel very optimistic on any of this good news.  I just know that in the end, there will be no real punishment for the foot soldiers, and there will be zero accountability for the congresscritters who participated as well as Don the Con.  I really hope to be surprised, but, I have seen too many build ups fizzle into a nothing burger.  

Foot soldiers who have been charged with felony's will see their day in court. Those involved in planning and execution will see their day, even if they are Congressmen or Senators, if the DOJ does what it says it will do. Trump may be a problem depending on the evidence, he has the option to run the clock on this, and if he secures the election it will become a dead issue.

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If you want any potential prosecutions to stick, you don't want them cutting corners. They ain't frying eggs. They're cooking geese. It must be done right, and everyone must be afforded their due process. Anything less and we might just as well have let them win on 1/6. 

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2 hours ago, badlatitude said:

There’s a lot to unpack in the Rolling Stone bombshell report. Here’s a primer on some of the likely legal and political fallout from it.

On Sunday night, Rolling Stone dropped a bombshell story. Two witnesses considered key to the investigation of the January 6 Committee had been speaking extensively for weeks to reporter Hunter Walker about their role in organizing the pro-Trump rallies that took place on January 6. For the first time, these organizers named congressmembers as well as some key White House aides who had been part of the planning. 

The names should sound familiar: Along with QAnon-associated Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), “the members who participated in these conversations or had top staffers join in included Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.), Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).” Among the White House staff named were former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Katrina Pierson, who had worked on Trump’s campaign in 2016 and 2020 and acted as “a key liaison between the organizers of the protest against the election and the White House.” 

At the time these meetings were happening, what was being planned wasn’t yet known to the public, but the fact of some kind of planning actually was known. Rep. Greene, for example, seemed quite proud of her involvement, as she demonstrated to her followers in a video right after one of the meetings. She stated, “Just finished with our meeting here at the White House this afternoon. We had a great planning session for our January 6th objection. We aren't going to let this election be stolen by Joe Biden and the Democrats!”