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9 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Capitol Riot Suspect Evan Neumann Claims Asylum in Belarus After Fleeing FBI

A California man who is on the FBI’s Most Wanted List for allegedly attacking police during the Jan. 6 Capitol riot has claimed asylum in the former Soviet republic of Belarus. Evan Neumann, 48, was charged in July on six separate counts, including assaulting officers and violent entry, after being identified from footage of the storming of Congress. But by then he had already sold his house in the Bay Area and fled to Europe, initially hiding out in Ukraine before deciding to cross over into Belarus—often described as “Europe’s last dictatorship.” 

His hosts appear delighted to have him. Belarus state TV portrayed him as a victim of government persecution and described him as “the same type of simple American whose shops were burned by Black Lives Matter activists.” In an interview with the channel, reported by the Moscow Times, Neumann said he had decided to leave Ukraine after finding himself being tailed by security officials. He told how he encountered wild boar and snakes as he made his way across the swampy marshland dividing Ukraine and Belarus, before being arrested on the border on Aug. 15. He said that the charges against him were “unfounded.”

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/capitol-riot-suspect-evan-neumann-claims-asylum-in-belarus-after-fleeing-fbi?via=twitter_page 

Smile now, cry later.

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Sounds like the best possible ending. Someone who hates our country enough to attack the Capitol and has means to find another country which better suits his sensibilities, can spend his life there instead of attacking our Constitution again. The time served will better match his actions than the slap on the wrist he would have gotten here. 

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Some folks take great pride in their ignorance and go out of their way to flaunt it, even to exaggerate it. They like to show it off like they are wearing a lair of the latest Air Jordans. I don't get

You are talking about folks that were taking selfies, some with their company IDs hanging from their necks. Burner phones to cover their tracks?  I'm surprised they didn't order delivered pizzas

The judge was rather eloquent in his denial of bail.   https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/02/22/marion-county-couple-accused-of-plotting-with-oath-keepers-during-capitol-riot-denied-bai

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6 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Sounds like the best possible ending. Someone who hates our country enough to attack the Capitol and has means to find another country which better suits his sensibilities, can spend his life there instead of attacking our Constitution again. The time served will better match his actions than the slap on the wrist he would have gotten here. 

You think he disliked being "Tailed" by security back home...  I have read enough spy books to know that the "Tailing" he got here aint nuttin compared to what he is gonna get over there....  

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He may be treated well as a propaganda tool but eventually (from Daily Mail):

Belarus activists record 'screams of torture victims' coming from within prison in Minsk on 4th day of anti-regime protests after rigged election. 

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43 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Sounds like the best possible ending. Someone who hates our country enough to attack the Capitol and has means to find another country which better suits his sensibilities, can spend his life there instead of attacking our Constitution again. The time served will better match his actions than the slap on the wrist he would have gotten here. 

I guess we will see as time goes by. I hope he turns political in Belarus, only to find confinement, torture, and the seizure of his property, leaves him longing for prison in America.

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"Neumann said Ukrainian security service agents started pursuing him, so he then crossed into Belarus by foot, through the Ukrainian swamps of Pripyat, near Chernobyl. He claimed to have encountered snakes and wild boars on the journey."

The snakes and boars were probably radioactive.

What's the over/under on him returning from socialist wonderland to the crappy old USofA to face the music?  My bet is six months.

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9 minutes ago, hobie1616 said:

"Neumann said Ukrainian security service agents started pursuing him, so he then crossed into Belarus by foot, through the Ukrainian swamps of Pripyat, near Chernobyl. He claimed to have encountered snakes and wild boars on the journey."

The snakes and boars were probably radioactive.

What's the over/under on him returning from socialist wonderland to the crappy old USofA to face the music?  My bet is six months.

Only if the GOP holds another Storm the Nation's Capitol and Smear Shit on the Place Party, and it is successful this time. 

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Jeez. It gets curioser. A ruined life.

On the up side, maybe Mr. Neumann could broker a Trump Tower while he's there, or hawk Ivanna's shoe line.

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4 hours ago, shaggy said:

You think he disliked being "Tailed" by security back home...  I have read enough spy books to know that the "Tailing" he got here aint nuttin compared to what he is gonna get over there....  

He's pretty enough that he probably would have gotten a solid "tailing" in any US prison, too.

Is there any legal way to strip this guy of US citizenship? Deny him entry as a terrorist? I think both would be very well merited and a good thing for the country

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4 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

He's pretty enough that he probably would have gotten a solid "tailing" in any US prison, too.

Is there any legal way to strip this guy of US citizenship? Deny him entry as a terrorist? I think both would be very well merited and a good thing for the country

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I think he is on to something.  All the insurrectionists should follow suit and head to Belarus.  MAGA will finally be achieved.

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More on Neumann from Buzzfeed.

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A California man who allegedly joined the mob that attacked the Capitol on Jan. 6 over what they falsely believed was a stolen election and is wanted by the FBI has fled the country and is seeking asylum in authoritarian Belarus.

Evan Neumann, 48, was charged in March with six crimes related to the insurrection, including two felonies for assaulting an officer and participating in a civil disorder. He told the state-controlled Belarus 1 news channel on Nov. 7 that his lawyer had advised him to flee to Europe. He called the charges against him “unfounded” and claimed they amount to “political persecution.”

Neumann, a handbag manufacturer from Mill Valley, a small city north of San Francisco, didn’t respond to BuzzFeed News’ requests for comment sent via email and a LinkedIn message.

Neumann said in the news segment titled “Goodbye, America!” that he went to extreme lengths to evade arrest by US law enforcement, sketching out a Catch Me if You Can–style escape.

He said he flew to the EU in March under the guise of a business trip and then traveled to Switzerland by train. From there, he said he drove to Germany and onward to Poland. He then crossed into Ukraine and settled in central Zhytomyr in mid-March. He rented an apartment there for four months, he said, before he decided to flee that country, as well.

Neumann said he left Ukraine after noticing that he was being followed by agents from the Ukrainian security service, the SBU. In August, under the cover of night, he explained, he crossed illegally by foot into Belarus, making his way through swampy forest land and dodging wild boars and snakes.

Belarus does not have an extradition treaty with the United States and tensions between the countries have frayed significantly since Washington and much of the world deemed the presidential elections in August 2020 to be rigged. Alexander Lukashenko, known as Europe’s last dictator, has ruled the country with an iron fist for more than two decades. He claims to have won that election, although evidence shows he likely lost to challenger Svetlana Tikhanovskaya.

Federal prosecutors brought charges against Neumann under seal in late March; it’s been common for the Justice Department to do this in Capitol riot cases until they arrest a defendant, citing concerns about suspects trying to destroy evidence and putting police in danger.

According to the charging documents, FBI agents had followed him to the San Francisco International Airport on Feb. 16 and questioned him there about being in Washington on Jan. 6; Neumann allegedly confirmed he’d been in DC and “interacted” with law enforcement but declined to provide details. He wasn’t taken into custody and the government didn’t specify if he’d gotten on a plane at the time.

Three months after filing charges, prosecutors asked a judge to unseal the case, explaining that Neumann remained “at large” and that making the charges public would at least give authorities more options to try to track him down.

“The government has reason to believe that Mr. Neumann is already aware he is being investigated in relation to the January 6, 2021, U.S. Capitol riot, and is actively attempting to evade arrest,” prosecutors wrote.

n a handful of cases, prosecutors have identified alleged rioters as posing a flight risk. According to government court filings, Jeffrey Sabol of Colorado told authorities after he was arrested that he’d planned to fly to Zürich, Switzerland, because he didn’t believe there was an extradition treaty with the United States (there is). He’d said he planned to ski for a few days to make it “look natural.” Sabol said he’d made it to the airport but turned around and left after police officers said something to him about his backpack.

 

The vast majority of people charged in the Capitol riots have been arrested without incident and, if they’ve been allowed to go home while their cases are pending, have complied with the pretrial release conditions imposed by judges. Neumann is one of at least three defendants who have evaded arrest so far or failed to show up to court after their initial arrest. More than 650 people have been federally charged.

Photos from the criminal complaint against Neumann show him allegedly pushing a guard rail and punching a police officer identified as "J.M."

Jan. 6 wasn’t the first time Neumann took part in a revolt over an election. US authorities, citing Neumann’s LinkedIn page, said he participated in Ukraine’s 2004 Orange Revolution. That uprising overturned the rigged presidential election of Viktor Yanukovych. (Yanukovych later went on to win an election deemed free and fair by international observers in 2010, but he was overthrown by the Euromaidan Revolution in 2014.) Photos from the criminal complaint also show Neumann among the Jan. 6 mob wearing a scarf from the Orange Revolution.

ABC 7 reported that Neumann sold his two-bedroom, one-bath home in Mill Valley in April for $1.3 million. The buyer of Neumann’s home told the news channel, “There was pressure to close. The last we heard is he was in Ukraine.”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/evan-neumann-january-6-capitol-attack-asylum-belarus?origin=web-hf

 

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13 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Handbag manufacturer?  Was does he call his product, the Nutsack? 

Even more funny is this bit:

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"In August, under the cover of night, he explained, he crossed illegally by foot into Belarus."

He's a goddamned illegal immigrant!

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4 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

When we are sending our illegals we're not sending our best. 

So...Mexico stiffed Belarus on a wall too, did they?

They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.

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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

More on Neumann from Buzzfeed.

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A California man who allegedly joined the mob that attacked the Capitol on Jan. 6 over what they falsely believed was a stolen election and is wanted by the FBI has fled the country and is seeking asylum in authoritarian Belarus.

Evan Neumann, 48, was charged in March with six crimes related to the insurrection, including two felonies for assaulting an officer and participating in a civil disorder. He told the state-controlled Belarus 1 news channel on Nov. 7 that his lawyer had advised him to flee to Europe. He called the charges against him “unfounded” and claimed they amount to “political persecution.”

Neumann, a handbag manufacturer from Mill Valley, a small city north of San Francisco, didn’t respond to BuzzFeed News’ requests for comment sent via email and a LinkedIn message.

Neumann said in the news segment titled “Goodbye, America!” that he went to extreme lengths to evade arrest by US law enforcement, sketching out a Catch Me if You Can–style escape.

He said he flew to the EU in March under the guise of a business trip and then traveled to Switzerland by train. From there, he said he drove to Germany and onward to Poland. He then crossed into Ukraine and settled in central Zhytomyr in mid-March. He rented an apartment there for four months, he said, before he decided to flee that country, as well.

Neumann said he left Ukraine after noticing that he was being followed by agents from the Ukrainian security service, the SBU. In August, under the cover of night, he explained, he crossed illegally by foot into Belarus, making his way through swampy forest land and dodging wild boars and snakes.

Belarus does not have an extradition treaty with the United States and tensions between the countries have frayed significantly since Washington and much of the world deemed the presidential elections in August 2020 to be rigged. Alexander Lukashenko, known as Europe’s last dictator, has ruled the country with an iron fist for more than two decades. He claims to have won that election, although evidence shows he likely lost to challenger Svetlana Tikhanovskaya.

Federal prosecutors brought charges against Neumann under seal in late March; it’s been common for the Justice Department to do this in Capitol riot cases until they arrest a defendant, citing concerns about suspects trying to destroy evidence and putting police in danger.

According to the charging documents, FBI agents had followed him to the San Francisco International Airport on Feb. 16 and questioned him there about being in Washington on Jan. 6; Neumann allegedly confirmed he’d been in DC and “interacted” with law enforcement but declined to provide details. He wasn’t taken into custody and the government didn’t specify if he’d gotten on a plane at the time.

Three months after filing charges, prosecutors asked a judge to unseal the case, explaining that Neumann remained “at large” and that making the charges public would at least give authorities more options to try to track him down.

“The government has reason to believe that Mr. Neumann is already aware he is being investigated in relation to the January 6, 2021, U.S. Capitol riot, and is actively attempting to evade arrest,” prosecutors wrote.

n a handful of cases, prosecutors have identified alleged rioters as posing a flight risk. According to government court filings, Jeffrey Sabol of Colorado told authorities after he was arrested that he’d planned to fly to Zürich, Switzerland, because he didn’t believe there was an extradition treaty with the United States (there is). He’d said he planned to ski for a few days to make it “look natural.” Sabol said he’d made it to the airport but turned around and left after police officers said something to him about his backpack.

 

The vast majority of people charged in the Capitol riots have been arrested without incident and, if they’ve been allowed to go home while their cases are pending, have complied with the pretrial release conditions imposed by judges. Neumann is one of at least three defendants who have evaded arrest so far or failed to show up to court after their initial arrest. More than 650 people have been federally charged.

Photos from the criminal complaint against Neumann show him allegedly pushing a guard rail and punching a police officer identified as "J.M."

Jan. 6 wasn’t the first time Neumann took part in a revolt over an election. US authorities, citing Neumann’s LinkedIn page, said he participated in Ukraine’s 2004 Orange Revolution. That uprising overturned the rigged presidential election of Viktor Yanukovych. (Yanukovych later went on to win an election deemed free and fair by international observers in 2010, but he was overthrown by the Euromaidan Revolution in 2014.) Photos from the criminal complaint also show Neumann among the Jan. 6 mob wearing a scarf from the Orange Revolution.

ABC 7 reported that Neumann sold his two-bedroom, one-bath home in Mill Valley in April for $1.3 million. The buyer of Neumann’s home told the news channel, “There was pressure to close. The last we heard is he was in Ukraine.”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/evan-neumann-january-6-capitol-attack-asylum-belarus?origin=web-hf

 

Oddly attracted to the color orange, isn't he?  

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19 minutes ago, Remodel said:

They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.

Drugs - Don Jr had that covered.

Rapists - Don Sr was literally all over that one.

Crime - The entire family including in-laws.

They wanted the wall to limit the competition.

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The pressure on Merrick Garland has reached a boiling point.

House Jan. 6 committee issues subpoenas to 6 top Trump advisers, including pair involved in Willard hotel ‘command center’

The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection issued subpoenas Monday to six top advisers to former president Donald Trump, including two who were active in the Willard hotel “command center” where Trump’s loyal backers oversaw efforts in January to overturn the 2020 election.

Those subpoenaed to provide testimony and documents include scholar John Eastman, who outlined a legal strategy in early January to delay or deny Joe Biden the presidency, and former New York City police commissioner Bernard Kerik, who led efforts to investigate voting fraud in key states. Both were present at the Willard during the first week in January.

The list also includes three members of the Trump reelection campaign: campaign manager Bill Stepien; Jason Miller, a senior adviser to the campaign; and Angela McCallum, the national executive assistant to Trump’s campaign. The committee also issued a subpoena for Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael Flynn.

More at the link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-jan-6-committee-issues-subpoenas-to-6-top-trump-advisers-including-pair-involved-in-willard-hotel-command-center/2021/11/08/6e91b0f2-40a6-11ec-a88e-2aa4632af69b_story.html?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere&location=alert&wpmk=1&wpisrc=al_news__alert-politics--alert-national&pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.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.uL3P0MH9q0154JZOzIu2Std0jAK2WfyxAodSw4CK45s

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4 hours ago, MauiPunter said:

I think he is on to something.  All the insurrectionists Magats should follow suit and head to Belarus.  MAGA will finally be achieved.

FTFY

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13 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Is that "2 out of 3 ain't bad" or something?

Well, who ever thought a Maggot could count to three?

But then, what would be the "Three" in this case?  Maybe Emigrant, Immigrant and Vagrant?  

I'd say our hero has nailed all three.  

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4 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Gosar is a fucking freak. No wonder his family disowned him.

Dentists work in close proximity to a lot of chemicals on a daily basis while treating patients.  I suspect his brain has absorbed a little too much of the bad stuff.

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7 minutes ago, hobie1616 said:

Dentists work in close proximity to a lot of chemicals on a daily basis while treating patients.  I suspect his brain has absorbed a little too much of the bad stuff.

At 62 he's old enough to have worked with a lot of amalgam fillings - that shit had mercury in it.

'Nuff said?

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11 hours ago, badlatitude said:

wanted by the FBI has fled the country and is seeking asylum in authoritarian Belarus.

All that effort just to avoid what would undoubtedly be a 

feeble judicial slap on the wrist. 

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I drove by Flynn's (Lock Him Up!) place in Englewood yesterday morning.  The bakery just up the road has closed, but I got the pleasure of thumb downing the entrance to his prison, I mean gated subdivision.

It was after I got home that I heard that I got another reason to thumb down him.

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4 hours ago, Fat Point Jack said:

I drove by Flynn's (Lock Him Up!) place in Englewood

Why not picket out in front ? I'll bet the local White Panthers and/or Raging Grannies would join you. 

Lots of good progressives in the Sarasota area - used to be anyway. 

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4 hours ago, Fat Point Jack said:

It was after I got home 

And here are the Raging Grannies - I just love them to pieces !! 

They are way fun to be on a picket line with !! 

VIDEO] The Raging Grannies to Todd Akin: "F**K YOU!" | News Blog

 

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3 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Why not picket out in front ? I'll bet the local White Panthers and/or Raging Grannies would join you. 

Lots of good progressives in the Sarasota area - used to be anyway. 

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How effective do you think it would be to picket the entrance to a gated community?  There are too many other issues.

My wife finally took off her Biden bumper sticker last week after getting tailgated and the finger.

My thumb down is for my ego.

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7 hours ago, Fat Point Jack said:

How effective do you think it would be

How effective is it to do nothing ?? (But for those who want to go incognito, writing checks is doing something.) 

And this thread needs a musical tutorial . .  

 

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That had to hurt.

"Presidents aren't kings, and the Plaintiff is not President."

Plaintiff does not acknowledge the deference owed to the incumbent President's
judgment. His position that he may override the express will of the executive branch appears to
be premised on the notion that his executive power "exists in perpetuity." Hearing Tr. at 19:21-
22. But Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President. He retains the right to assert that
his records are privileged, but the incumbent President "is not constitutionally obliged to honor"
that assertion. Public Citizen v. Burke, 843 F.2d 1473, 1479 (D.C. Cir. 1988).4 That is because
 

Judge Rejects Trump’s Bid to Keep Papers Secret in Jan. 6 Inquiry 
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/09/us/politics/trump-january-6-committee.html

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6 hours ago, badlatitude said:

That had to hurt.

"Presidents aren't kings, and the Plaintiff is not President."

Plaintiff does not acknowledge the deference owed to the incumbent President's
judgment. His position that he may override the express will of the executive branch appears to
be premised on the notion that his executive power "exists in perpetuity." Hearing Tr. at 19:21-
22. But Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President. He retains the right to assert that
his records are privileged, but the incumbent President "is not constitutionally obliged to honor"
that assertion. Public Citizen v. Burke, 843 F.2d 1473, 1479 (D.C. Cir. 1988).4 That is because
 

Judge Rejects Trump’s Bid to Keep Papers Secret in Jan. 6 Inquiry 
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/09/us/politics/trump-january-6-committee.html

Stay coming from the appellate court in 3, 2, 1… Courts closed tomorrow. Gotta happen today or the Archives are gonna release the docs. 

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12 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

Does anyone know where the insurrectionists are going to serve their sentences?

And any answer with pound you in the ass won't be counted.

 

 

I vote for Gitmo!!  No, on 2nd thought that's too comfortable, and temperate for these scumbags, send them to Siberia, instead....:angry:

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12 minutes ago, Mike G said:

Thanks to libruls he can probably vote.

But no gunz for him?

State by state and he's from the Garden State. But the felony doesn't go away, well, unless his boy Shitstain gets back into office in which case it metamorphosizes into a Presidential Medal of Freedom with a 50-state CC card.

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45 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Plus the felony merit badge. It always looks good on job applications, a real leg up in society.

Doesn’t need a job for 41 months. Free room and board baby!

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17 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

How effective is it to do nothing ?? (But for those who want to go incognito, writing checks is doing something.) 

And this thread needs a musical tutorial . .  

 

If ya want to have some picketing fun, cruise on down here and we'll hit Tucker Carlson's studio out on Boca Grande.  I'm sure Jules will come along.  Tom will show up for protection.  Sarosa will sit across the street snarling and then cruise home stopping at Chic Fillet.  We'll head over to Miller's for shrimp, oysters and grouper sandwiches.  Maybe Tom can get you a ride on the holder of the world sailing speed record  for a Morgan 30.

The owner, one of the happiest people I know was in today.  I asked if he was out on Sunday, it was blowin' like stink. 

Yes, triple reef on the main, ½ jib.

He said you were crew for the record at 10 and change.

I said 2.34 x sr wl.

He said when it's healed over that far it adds 1 ½.

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

That's the first decent sentence I've heard of so far.

Are they through the bit players and getting to the main event now?

That was always going to be the case. The simple cases first. Get cooperating testimony from the fellow travelers. Some of these shitbirds are getting more than 10.

And then there's Ashli Babbitt.

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8 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

That was always going to be the case. The simple cases first. Get cooperating testimony from the fellow travelers. Some of these shitbirds are getting more than 10.

And then there's Ashli Babbitt.

She got one to eternity.

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9 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

41 months. 

It will be appealed, and reduced to 41 days counting time already served.

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7 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Doesn’t need a job for 41 months. Free room and board baby!

Free room and board depends on where you get locked up.

 Around here it costs something like $70 a day to be jailed in the county lock up. AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE FOUND NOT GUILTY.

 For profit prisons are a big business.

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6 hours ago, Fat Point Jack said:

If ya want to have some picketing fun

I like the way you think !! Seriously, picketing with folks like the Raging Grannies is quite fun. 

How hard was it blowing really ?? 

@Fat Point Jack". . He said when it's healed over that far it adds 1 ½" 

And excessive heal is slow, . .  

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35 minutes ago, MauiPunter said:

Well well well....   looky here.....

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Also, my 10yr old daughter has a better signature than that.  lol.

  Not sure if there is any there there. It would also be consistent with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Milley's reported behind the scenes efforts to check any attempt by Trump to use the National Guard to stage a coup. Configuring the unit to a stand-down posture gains time to stop it.

  We judge with hindsight, but before we had that, it was quite possible for Milley to judge the use of the National Guard, not some ad-hoc mob, as Trump's most dangerous and likely tool for attempting a coup.    

 

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He's using the EO 11485 to authorize doing nothing. That's pretty much the there that's there. His order reminds me of Richard Daley, The police are not here to create disorder. They're here to preserve disorder.

But in fact EO 11485 says that it was the AG's call and not Miller's:

Sec. 2. The Attorney General is responsible for: (1) advising the President with respect to the alternatives available pursuant to law for the use of the National Guard to aid the civil authorities of the District of Columbia; and (2) for establishing after consultation with the Secretary of Defense law enforcement policies to be observed by the military forces in the event the National Guard is used in its militia status to aid civil authorities of the District of Columbia.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/11485.html

Outcomes are funny things. Just because the coup failed doesn't mean that the Capitol Police command structure were heroes. They weren't and they were sacked immediately. It doesn't mean that Miller was allied with Milley in preventing Shitstain from accomplishing his coup. He wasn't. He delegated nothing and retained operational control until after the coup had failed.

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Appeals court temporarily bars release of Trump White House records to House Jan. 6 committee

A federal appeals court on Thursday blocked the imminent release of records of former president Donald Trump’s White House calls and activities related to the Jan. 6 Capitol attack after a lower court found that President Biden can waive his predecessor’s claim to executive privilege. 

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit granted a temporary injunction while it considers Trump’s request to hold off any release pending appeal, and fast-tracked oral arguments for a hearing Nov. 30. 

The order came after U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan of Washington on Tuesday cleared the way for handover of documents to a House investigative committee, ruling that an ex-president’s claim to a residual right to withhold records from Congress after leaving office does not continue in perpetuity. 

“Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President,” Chutkan wrote.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/appeals-court-temporarily-bars-release-of-trump-white-house-records-to-house-jan-6-committee/2021/11/11/0e71fd5e-423f-11ec-9ea7-3eb2406a2e24_story.html 

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49 minutes ago, Mark K said:
1 hour ago, MauiPunter said:

Well well well....   looky here.....

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Also, my 10yr old daughter has a better signature than that.  lol.

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  Not sure if there is any there there. It would also be consistent with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Milley's reported behind the scenes efforts to check any attempt by Trump to use the National Guard to stage a coup. Configuring the unit to a stand-down posture gains time to stop it.

  We judge with hindsight, but before we had that, it was quite possible for Milley to judge the use of the National Guard, not some ad-hoc mob, as Trump's most dangerous and likely tool for attempting a coup.    

Yes, it's easily possible that a hand-picked military unit "responding to an emergency" could the tools for a coup and that Acting Sec.Miller was trying to forestall this. I'd recommend the same group Trump rounded up to attack protesting grannies in Portland the summer before.

However, to me it does seem that Trump's picks wanted to hobble any legitimate law/military response. There would be two reasons for this, one is that they knew a bunch of Proud Boys and elk would be storming the Capitol and wanted to give them the clearest field possible; 2- it would also delay response to any civil disturbance thus increasing the perceived severity and justifying a declaration of martial law etc etc.

There were some people in the Trump orbit that were not entirely stupid and lazy. Fortunately for the country, most of them were feckless buttkissers and grifters. But the ones who have been eying the same prize learned some valuable lessons.

- DSK

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He wants to get sent to Gitmo.  I think we should grant his request and subject them to the same treatment other terrorists got there.  Seems fair.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/capitol-riot-suspects-say-force-fed-critical-race-theory-jail-rcna5254

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In a list of 77 grievances, he and Morss claim they are sent to a "Hole" if they express their political views, have to beg for medical aid and water,