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14 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

And the Trump Loyalists who organized and supported the insurrection will be placed in high roles in the Reichstag and Gestapo.

Well it worked for Adolf for a while...........makes you wonder who will be shipped to the camps.

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Some folks take great pride in their ignorance and go out of their way to flaunt it, even to exaggerate it. They like to show it off like they are wearing a lair of the latest Air Jordans. I don't get

You are talking about folks that were taking selfies, some with their company IDs hanging from their necks. Burner phones to cover their tracks?  I'm surprised they didn't order delivered pizzas

The judge was rather eloquent in his denial of bail.   https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/02/22/marion-county-couple-accused-of-plotting-with-oath-keepers-during-capitol-riot-denied-bai

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Chief federal judge in D.C. assails 'almost schizophrenic' Jan. 6 prosecutions

Source: Washington Post

The chief judge presiding over the federal court in Washington on Thursday unleashed a blistering critique of the Justice Department’s prosecution of Capitol rioters, saying fiery rhetoric about the event’s horror did not match plea offers to minor charges. “No wonder parts of the public in the U.S. are confused about whether what happened on January 6 at the Capitol was simply a petty offense of trespassing with some disorderliness, or shocking criminal conduct that represented a grave threat to our democratic norms,” Judge Beryl A. Howell said in court Thursday. “Let me make my view clear: The rioters were not mere protesters.” 

While she and other judges have expressed similar concerns before, this was Howell’s first time sentencing a rioter and her first chance to fully air her views and demand answers from prosecutors. She took the opportunity, spending over an hour interrogating prosecutors on the decision to let Tennessee video game developer Jack Jesse Griffith plead guilty to the misdemeanor of parading inside the Capitol. Howell, who was appointed by President Barack Obama in 2010, also oversaw portions of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Before taking the bench, she served as a prosecutor and worked on cybersecurity law in the public and private sector. 

Why, she asked, when prosecutors called the riot an “attack on democracy . . . unparalleled in American history,” were Griffith and other participants facing the same charge as nonviolent protesters who routinely disrupt congressional hearings? “It seems like a bit of a disconnect,” Howell said — “muddled” and “almost schizophrenic.” The parading charge carries a sentence of at most six months, with no supervised release. “Is it the government’s view that the members of the mob that engaged in the Capitol attack on January 6 were simply trespassers?” Howell asked incredulously. “Is general deterrence going to be served by letting rioters who broke into the Capitol, overran the police . . . broke into the building through windows and doors . . . resolve their criminal liability through petty offense pleas?” 

After asking for probationary sentences in several cases, the government sought a three-month jail sentence for Griffith. Howell questioned what distinguished those cases from this one. Assistant U.S. Attorney Mitra Jafary-Hariri said prosecutors gave some defendants credit for early acceptance of responsibility. Griffith, she added, displayed a lack of remorse after the attack and continued to spread false election claims. “Probation should not be the norm,” Howell said, but added that Griffith should not be punished more than others who engaged in similar conduct. Instead, she put him on probation for 36 months.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/judge-howell-capitol-riot-case/2021/10/28/8f6da2c2-3809-11ec-9bc4-86107e7b0ab1_story.html 

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4 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Chief federal judge in D.C. assails 'almost schizophrenic' Jan. 6 prosecutions

Source: Washington Post

The chief judge presiding over the federal court in Washington on Thursday unleashed a blistering critique of the Justice Department’s prosecution of Capitol rioters, saying fiery rhetoric about the event’s horror did not match plea offers to minor charges. “No wonder parts of the public in the U.S. are confused about whether what happened on January 6 at the Capitol was simply a petty offense of trespassing with some disorderliness, or shocking criminal conduct that represented a grave threat to our democratic norms,” Judge Beryl A. Howell said in court Thursday. “Let me make my view clear: The rioters were not mere protesters.” 

While she and other judges have expressed similar concerns before, this was Howell’s first time sentencing a rioter and her first chance to fully air her views and demand answers from prosecutors. She took the opportunity, spending over an hour interrogating prosecutors on the decision to let Tennessee video game developer Jack Jesse Griffith plead guilty to the misdemeanor of parading inside the Capitol. Howell, who was appointed by President Barack Obama in 2010, also oversaw portions of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Before taking the bench, she served as a prosecutor and worked on cybersecurity law in the public and private sector. 

Why, she asked, when prosecutors called the riot an “attack on democracy . . . unparalleled in American history,” were Griffith and other participants facing the same charge as nonviolent protesters who routinely disrupt congressional hearings? “It seems like a bit of a disconnect,” Howell said — “muddled” and “almost schizophrenic.” The parading charge carries a sentence of at most six months, with no supervised release. “Is it the government’s view that the members of the mob that engaged in the Capitol attack on January 6 were simply trespassers?” Howell asked incredulously. “Is general deterrence going to be served by letting rioters who broke into the Capitol, overran the police . . . broke into the building through windows and doors . . . resolve their criminal liability through petty offense pleas?” 

After asking for probationary sentences in several cases, the government sought a three-month jail sentence for Griffith. Howell questioned what distinguished those cases from this one. Assistant U.S. Attorney Mitra Jafary-Hariri said prosecutors gave some defendants credit for early acceptance of responsibility. Griffith, she added, displayed a lack of remorse after the attack and continued to spread false election claims. “Probation should not be the norm,” Howell said, but added that Griffith should not be punished more than others who engaged in similar conduct. Instead, she put him on probation for 36 months.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/judge-howell-capitol-riot-case/2021/10/28/8f6da2c2-3809-11ec-9bc4-86107e7b0ab1_story.html 

These people are all getting off too lightly.  

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1 hour ago, saxdog said:

These people are all getting off too lightly.  

Maybe, the majority of the cases we have seen have been minor and most have plead guilty beforehand. The judge is right though, we need to see longer probation to see if they have reformed. The federal system is kind of stuck on sentencing and there isn't much they can do about a lot of it.

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13 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Judge Beryl A. Howell

My new hero ^^^^^

I've resisted it but it really is kinda looking like we fucked up with Garland. And I guess Sinema is right there too. And Mr Wray isn't looking too good either.

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5 hours ago, Blue Crab said:

My new hero ^^^^^

I've resisted it but it really is kinda looking like we fucked up with Garland. And I guess Sinema is right there too. And Mr Wray isn't looking too good either.

It's absolutely beyond me why Biden would keep Wray on as head of the FBI. It's also confounding that Biden would make Garland AG. Both were huge mistakes and I think resulted from Biden thinking there was compromise ground with the Republicans. That thinking may have held some water in the days of Nixon, but it's apparent that the R's will settle for nothing less than single-party rule as soon as they can corrupt government enough to achieve it. 

Case in point regarding Garland: The DOJ says it will take "months of deliberation" to determine if Bannon and the other conspirators would be charged for defying Congressional subpoenas. WTF? That shit should be fast-tracked, it's not like it's the first time someone has done that.

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13 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

That really frosts my ol' lefty kiester. 

I think we'll find this coup attempt was carefully orchestrated.  Members of Congress who are found to have been involved should do some time in Federal prison.

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42 minutes ago, saxdog said:

I think we'll find this coup attempt was carefully orchestrated.  Members of Congress who are found to have been involved should do some time in Federal prison.

If Garland can delay to next summer, the Dems will run out of steam. Looks like the plan.

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11 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

If Garland can delay to next summer, the Dems will run out of steam. Looks like the plan.

If that is true (and Glenn the Justice guy doesn't seem to agree), then our country is done for, "checks and balances" are null and void, and storm trooper Stephen Miller was correct about the power of a Republican president.

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23 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

If Garland can delay to next summer, the Dems will run out of steam. Looks like the plan.

If Garland hasn't done anything by Christmas, Biden should sack him and replace him with Sally Yates or someone else not in the Federalist Society.

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3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

but it's apparent that the R's will settle for nothing less than single-party rule as soon as they can corrupt government enough to achieve it. 

 

1 hour ago, Ishmael said:

If Garland hasn't done anything by Christmas, Biden should sack him and replace him with Sally Yates or someone else not in the Federalist Society.

Yep. This has been a sucker punch. 

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Officer accused of obstructing Jan. 6 investigation resigns from Capitol Police force

An officer, Michael Angelo Riley, accused of obstructing the investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol resigned from the Capitol Police force, the man's legal team confirmed to The Hill on Friday. The former Capitol Police officer is facing two counts of obstruction of justice over allegations he tried to help a person avoid being prosecuted in connection with the Jan. 6 insurrection. 

Court documents say Riley sent a Facebook friend request to someone referred to as “Person 1” ... That unnamed individual accepted the friend request, and Riley sent Person 1 a direct message asking him to take down videos and photos on Person 1's account that showed Person 1 in the Capitol on Jan. 6, prosecutors allege. 

“Hey [Person 1], im a capitol police officer who agrees with your political stance. Take down the part about being in the building they are currently investigating and everyone who was in the building is going to [be] charged. Just looking out!" Riley wrote to the person, according to court documents.  

Prosecutors also say Person 1 sent several videos to Riley that indicated that Person 1 was both inside and outside of the Capitol. "I get it ... it was a total shit show!!! Just wanted to give you a heads up. Im glad you got out of there unscathed We had over 50 officers hurt, some pretty bad,” Riley allegedly replied after receiving the videos, according to court documents.

Read more: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/579094-officer-accused-of-obstructing-jan-6-investigation-resigns-from 


"im a capitol police officer who agrees with your political stance." 

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7 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Officer accused of obstructing Jan. 6 investigation resigns from Capitol Police force

An officer, Michael Angelo Riley, accused of obstructing the investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol resigned from the Capitol Police force, the man's legal team confirmed to The Hill on Friday. The former Capitol Police officer is facing two counts of obstruction of justice over allegations he tried to help a person avoid being prosecuted in connection with the Jan. 6 insurrection. 

Court documents say Riley sent a Facebook friend request to someone referred to as “Person 1” ... That unnamed individual accepted the friend request, and Riley sent Person 1 a direct message asking him to take down videos and photos on Person 1's account that showed Person 1 in the Capitol on Jan. 6, prosecutors allege. 

“Hey [Person 1], im a capitol police officer who agrees with your political stance. Take down the part about being in the building they are currently investigating and everyone who was in the building is going to [be] charged. Just looking out!" Riley wrote to the person, according to court documents.  

Prosecutors also say Person 1 sent several videos to Riley that indicated that Person 1 was both inside and outside of the Capitol. "I get it ... it was a total shit show!!! Just wanted to give you a heads up. Im glad you got out of there unscathed We had over 50 officers hurt, some pretty bad,” Riley allegedly replied after receiving the videos, according to court documents.

Read more: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/579094-officer-accused-of-obstructing-jan-6-investigation-resigns-from 


"im a capitol police officer who agrees with your political stance." 

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He can go work in DeFantasy Land, Floriduh will pay him $5K to move there.

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Josh Marshall: The Most Damning Jan 6th Revelation Yet

The Most Damning Jan 6th Revelation Yet 
New Emails Show Trump and Eastman Saw the Insurrectionists as the Foot Soldiers of the Coup. They Cheered Them on and Used Them in Real Time. 
By Josh Marshall 
October 30, 2021 11:58 a.m. 

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The Post has emails – presumably emerging out of the committee investigation – of what happened during the insurrection. As the insurrectionists were storming the Capitol and Pence was holed up in a secure location as they hunted for him and members of Congress, Eastman emailed Pence and his top aide saying that the insurrection was Pence’s fault for not going through with the coup plot. With the President’s supporters ransacking the Capitol Eastman demanded Pence shift course and do the right thing. 

These exchanges capture something we suspect and know in some way. But here we’re getting the details, the documentary evidence. Eastman didn’t recoil when the President’s rally escalated to violence. He clearly saw the inside coup plot and the insurrectionists on the street as part of the same effort. This isn’t surprising to most of us. The insurrectionists were laying siege to Pence in the Capitol because Pence wasn’t going along with the plan. And the answer was to go along with the plan. Eastman recognized the insurrection as the paramilitary wing of the coup plot he was part of and as the Capitol was under siege used it as a cudgel to force Pence’s hand. 

Again, this won’t come to a shock to many of us. But here we’re getting the receipts. At least the first of them. To date the actions of Eastman, the President, his various coconspirators – during the hours of the assault on the Capitol – have largely been a black box even as we’ve learned more and more granular detail of the ransacking of the Capitol itself. We’ve had brief glimpses in reported accounts. There was the notorious phone call between Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Trump in which McCarthy demanded Trump call off his insurrectionists. Trump notoriously responded, “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.” 

In real time, Trump’s message was the same as Eastman’s. You brought it on yourself and they’re my guys. The way to lift the siege is to do the right thing and support the coup. They both recognized the insurrectionists as their foot soldiers and expressed as much in real time to the members of Congress under siege. And of course they did since they were their foot soldiers. 

It’s hardly surprising that both Trump and Eastman were cheering on the assault on the Capitol in real time or seeing it in the same terms. They were part of the same war room. They were leading it. Directly or indirectly McCarthy was the source of those quotes from the conversation with the President. It was reportedly anger and expletive filled. Of course he later fell in line. Much of the resistance to the investigation was his effort not to be placed under oath to reveal what happened on that day and the fact that he resisted it. 
These are only two glimpses of the real story of January 6th. The Committee seems serious about getting the whole story.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-most-damning-jan-6th-revelation-yet 

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15 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

The Most Damning Jan 6th Revelation Yet

But, but wot about Both Sides ?? 

@Excoded Tom  ?? 

Not to mention . . .  

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/10/31/2061292/-Republican-Senate-Candidate-Alleges-Domestic-Terrorism-and-Extortion-Threats-From-Michael-Flynn

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Our old friend, the bimbo real estate agent, is back in the news...

Jan. 6 'Influencer' Who Said She's 'Definitely Not Going To Jail' Should Go To Jail, Feds Say

Federal prosecutors say an infamous Capitol attack defendant who traveled to Washington on a private plane and called Jan. 6 “one of the best days of my life” should spend time in prison, in part because she didn’t think she would.

Jenna Ryan was arrested in January after she openly bragged about her exploits at the Capitol on social media, livestreaming on Facebook from inside the building and tweeting a photo of herself standing at a broken window, captioning it “if the news doesn’t stop lying about us we’re going to come after their studios next...”

Ahead of Ryan’s sentencing this week, federal prosecutors said she should spend 60 days in prison because she knew the day could turn violent and said she was “going to war,” promoted violence at the Capitol, chanted “hang Mike Pence,” promoted violence against the news media, claimed she deserved “a medal” for what she did, spread false information about the riot, lied about her participation in the riot, and “sought to exploit her presence during the attack on the Capitol for profit.”

Prosecutors said Ryan had, for the past 10 years, “promoted her personal brand, touting her success as a real estate broker, self-help coach, and media personality” and then “drew on her considerable experience as a social media influencer to promote violence before her arrival at the Capitol.”

The Justice Department’s sentencing memo says that Ryan was “publicly cheerleading” a violent attack that “forced an interruption of the certification of the 2020 Electoral College vote count, threatened the peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 Presidential election, injured more than one hundred law enforcement officers, and resulted in more than a million dollars’ worth of property damage.” 

Moreover, the government said, Ryan’s tweet stating she had “blonde hair white skin a great job a great future and I’m not going to jail” showed she thought she was immune from punishment for her crimes because of her race and physical appearance.

“A defendant who believes she is immune from strict punishment because of her race and physical appearance may reoffend because the consequences for wrongdoing will never, in the defendant’s mind, be severe even when severity is merited,” prosecutors write. “Perhaps the most compelling need for specific deterrence arises from the defendant’s misguided belief that she is above the law, or at least insulated from incarceration.”

The feds wrote that Ryan “found it appropriate to promote her real estate business” as she stormed the Capitol, announcing, “You guys, will you believe this? I am not messing around. When I come to sell your house, this is what I will do. I will fucking sell your house.”

Prosecutors also wrote that Ryan posted a photo of members of the mob attacking media equipment, calling it “a cool moment” and saying rioters “just went to town on the AP equipment.” They said one of Ryan’s co-defendants, Katherine Schwab, “joined the crowd’s assault” by “kicking media equipment and throwing one piece of equipment on the ground.”

Ryan pleaded guilty in August, admitting in her statement of offense that she posted “Today was a great example of what America is about” on Twitter after the attack, that she was seen on video chanting “Fight for Trump!” in the Rotunda, and that she “paraded, demonstrated, or picketed” inside the Capitol when she knew that she “did not have permission to enter the building.”

Ryan will be sentenced at 10 a.m. Thursday by U.S. District Judge Christopher R. Cooper.

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57 minutes ago, hobie1616 said:

Our old friend, the bimbo real estate agent, is back in the news...

Jan. 6 'Influencer' Who Said She's 'Definitely Not Going To Jail' Should Go To Jail, Feds Say

Federal prosecutors say an infamous Capitol attack defendant who traveled to Washington on a private plane and called Jan. 6 “one of the best days of my life” should spend time in prison, in part because she didn’t think she would.

Jenna Ryan was arrested in January after she openly bragged about her exploits at the Capitol on social media, livestreaming on Facebook from inside the building and tweeting a photo of herself standing at a broken window, captioning it “if the news doesn’t stop lying about us we’re going to come after their studios next...”

Ahead of Ryan’s sentencing this week, federal prosecutors said she should spend 60 days in prison because she knew the day could turn violent and said she was “going to war,” promoted violence at the Capitol, chanted “hang Mike Pence,” promoted violence against the news media, claimed she deserved “a medal” for what she did, spread false information about the riot, lied about her participation in the riot, and “sought to exploit her presence during the attack on the Capitol for profit.”

Prosecutors said Ryan had, for the past 10 years, “promoted her personal brand, touting her success as a real estate broker, self-help coach, and media personality” and then “drew on her considerable experience as a social media influencer to promote violence before her arrival at the Capitol.”

The Justice Department’s sentencing memo says that Ryan was “publicly cheerleading” a violent attack that “forced an interruption of the certification of the 2020 Electoral College vote count, threatened the peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 Presidential election, injured more than one hundred law enforcement officers, and resulted in more than a million dollars’ worth of property damage.” 

Moreover, the government said, Ryan’s tweet stating she had “blonde hair white skin a great job a great future and I’m not going to jail” showed she thought she was immune from punishment for her crimes because of her race and physical appearance.

“A defendant who believes she is immune from strict punishment because of her race and physical appearance may reoffend because the consequences for wrongdoing will never, in the defendant’s mind, be severe even when severity is merited,” prosecutors write. “Perhaps the most compelling need for specific deterrence arises from the defendant’s misguided belief that she is above the law, or at least insulated from incarceration.”

The feds wrote that Ryan “found it appropriate to promote her real estate business” as she stormed the Capitol, announcing, “You guys, will you believe this? I am not messing around. When I come to sell your house, this is what I will do. I will fucking sell your house.”

Prosecutors also wrote that Ryan posted a photo of members of the mob attacking media equipment, calling it “a cool moment” and saying rioters “just went to town on the AP equipment.” They said one of Ryan’s co-defendants, Katherine Schwab, “joined the crowd’s assault” by “kicking media equipment and throwing one piece of equipment on the ground.”

Ryan pleaded guilty in August, admitting in her statement of offense that she posted “Today was a great example of what America is about” on Twitter after the attack, that she was seen on video chanting “Fight for Trump!” in the Rotunda, and that she “paraded, demonstrated, or picketed” inside the Capitol when she knew that she “did not have permission to enter the building.”

Ryan will be sentenced at 10 a.m. Thursday by U.S. District Judge Christopher R. Cooper.

Judge Cooper will love her. 

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

60 days is a joke.

And if she gets any time at all, she'll cry race hatred on the part of the judge, her attorney will sue for unusual and extreme punishment for a white woman, Trump will issue her a pardon (for what that's worth), and she'll have a morning slot on FOX or OANN.

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1 minute ago, Mrleft8 said:

And if she gets any time at all, she'll cry race hatred on the part of the judge, her attorney will sue for unusual and extreme punishment for a white woman, Trump will issue her a pardon (for what that's worth), and she'll have a morning slot on FOX or OANN.

You forgot her Real Estate Biz will take off. The RWNJ’s will love her.

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Just now, Navig8tor said:

You forgot her Real Estate Biz will take off. The RWNJ’s will love her.

Terry Nichols was a RE salesman. He got life w/o parole for his role in OKC....

 His buddy McVeigh got the needle.

2 guys attack a federal building in OKC and are (by their standards) successful. 105 (according to Dog) attack the Capitol in DC and they fail miserably.... Why are those (105) not getting what McVeigh and Nichols got? Because they're losers?

 

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1 hour ago, Mrleft8 said:

Terry Nichols was a RE salesman. He got life w/o parole for his role in OKC....

 His buddy McVeigh got the needle.

2 guys attack a federal building in OKC and are (by their standards) successful. 105 (according to Dog) attack the Capitol in DC and they fail miserably.... Why are those (105) not getting what McVeigh and Nichols got? Because they're losers?

 

You can’t be comparing the two events. 

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46 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

You can’t be comparing the two events. 

Why not? Two nut jobs attack a Federal building. A bunch of people die. (105) nut jobs attack a federal building several people die.

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2 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Why not? Two nut jobs attack a Federal building. A bunch of people die. (105) nut jobs attack a federal building several people die.

Forget it Lefty - that comparison is a bridge to far.

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11 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

Our old friend, the bimbo real estate agent, is back in the news...

Jan. 6 'Influencer' Who Said She's 'Definitely Not Going To Jail' Should Go To Jail, Feds Say

(...)

Ryan will be sentenced at 10 a.m. Thursday by U.S. District Judge Christopher R. Cooper.

I appreciate the logic here, that if she thinks her appearance and social status disqualify her from incarceration, she needs the big house.

And even, that as a life-coach and social media presence, she needs her feet held to the fire for broadcasting the joy of lawlessness (such as boating accidents. Hi @Excoded Tom)

 

I have THREE friends now, each acting ominous about the likelihood of future, imminent, Jan. 6-type behavior. Two are off-the-deep-end edgy and miserable, while nursing Tucker Carlson-type narratives, constantly. They are deteriorating, as human beings, visibly and audibly.

The Big Lie has legs...and the polarization keeps getting worse.

 

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5 hours ago, jocal505 said:

I have THREE friends now, each acting ominous about the likelihood of future, imminent, Jan. 6-type behavior. Two are off-the-deep-end edgy and miserable, while nursing Tucker Carlson-type narratives, constantly. They are deteriorating, as human beings, visibly and audibly.

Same here. I haven't noticed the physical slide but deep edginess is obvious. 

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14 hours ago, jocal505 said:

I have THREE friends now, each acting ominous about the likelihood of future, imminent, Jan. 6-type behavior. Two are off-the-deep-end edgy and miserable, while nursing Tucker Carlson-type narratives, constantly. They are deteriorating, as human beings, visibly and audibly.

The Big Lie has legs...and the polarization keeps getting worse.

You need ti find new friends

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3 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

From the WaPo - 

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I just finished reading the whole series, and it's excellent. It is becoming increasingly surreal out there. There are a lot of fascist whack jobs on the prowl, and a lot of otherwise normal people believing their bullshit. It looks like the R's are going to stop at nothing to regain power, and put an increasingly deranged Trump back on the throne as the last president.

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53 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

You need to find new friends

You are correct, from a few angles, but I see what you did there. You de-creased my friends' steady source of truthful information, and you increased the polarization of the situation.

 

We are crawling here, it's not ballet. It ain't pretty.

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51 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

I just finished reading the whole series, and it's excellent. It is becoming increasingly surreal out there. There are a lot of fascist whack jobs on the prowl, and a lot of otherwise normal people believing their bullshit. It looks like the R's are going to stop at nothing to regain power, and put an increasingly deranged Trump back on the throne as the last president.

Is there a path around the paywall?

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2 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

Delete the cookies.

I'm not sure even that's enough. It's not only well-written, it's well-presented on the interwebs. I'm just another gobsmacked Canadian, but I ponied up for a subscription. I'm going to cancel my NYT subscription but I'm keeping the WaPo.

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3 hours ago, jocal505 said:

We are crawling here, it's not ballet. It ain't pretty.

"When empires decline, they can slip into self-reinforcing downward spirals. This downward spiral occurs when the rich and powerful respond by using their social positions to offload the costs of decline onto the mass of the population. That only worsens the inequalities and divisions that provoked the decline in the first place.

The recently released Pandora Papers offer a useful glimpse into the elaborate world of vast wealth hidden from tax-collecting governments and from public knowledge. Such hiding is partly driven by the effort to insulate the wealth of the rich from that decline. That partly explains why the 2016 exposure of the Panama Papers did nothing to stop the hiding. If the public knew about the hidden resources—their size, origins, and purposes—the public demand for access to hidden assets would become overwhelming. The hidden resources would be seen as the best possible targets for use in slowing or reversing the decline.

Decline provokes more hiding, and that in turn worsens decline. The downward spiral is engaged. Moreover, attempts to distract an increasingly anxious public—demonizing immigrants, scapegoating China, and engaging in culture wars—show diminishing returns. Empire decline proceeds but remains widely denied or ignored as if it did not matter. The old rituals of conventional politics, economics, and culture proceed. Only their tones have become those of deep social divisions, bitter recriminations, and overt internal hostilities proliferating across the landscape. These mystify as well as upset* the many Americans who still need to deny that crises have beset U.S. capitalism and that its empire is in decline."

https://braveneweurope.com/richard-d-wolff-why-the-troubled-u-s-empire-could-quickly-fall-apart

*driving them batshit crazy

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2 hours ago, hobie1616 said:

Delete the cookies.

That's what I tell my neighbor when he comments on his G/F gaining weight since she moved in.....

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1 hour ago, Mrleft8 said:

That's what I tell my neighbor when he comments on his G/F gaining weight since she moved in.....

I passed your comment on to my wife who immediately punched me.

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18 hours ago, bstrdsonofbtl said:

"When empires decline, they can slip into self-reinforcing downward spirals. This downward spiral occurs when the rich and powerful respond by using their social positions to offload the costs of decline onto the mass of the population. That only worsens the inequalities and divisions that provoked the decline in the first place.

The recently released Pandora Papers offer a useful glimpse into the elaborate world of vast wealth hidden from tax-collecting governments and from public knowledge. Such hiding is partly driven by the effort to insulate the wealth of the rich from that decline. That partly explains why the 2016 exposure of the Panama Papers did nothing to stop the hiding. If the public knew about the hidden resources—their size, origins, and purposes—the public demand for access to hidden assets would become overwhelming. The hidden resources would be seen as the best possible targets for use in slowing or reversing the decline.

Decline provokes more hiding, and that in turn worsens decline. The downward spiral is engaged. Moreover, attempts to distract an increasingly anxious public—demonizing immigrants, scapegoating China, and engaging in culture wars—show diminishing returns. Empire decline proceeds but remains widely denied or ignored as if it did not matter. The old rituals of conventional politics, economics, and culture proceed. Only their tones have become those of deep social divisions, bitter recriminations, and overt internal hostilities proliferating across the landscape. These mystify as well as upset* the many Americans who still need to deny that crises have beset U.S. capitalism and that its empire is in decline."

https://braveneweurope.com/richard-d-wolff-why-the-troubled-u-s-empire-could-quickly-fall-apart

*driving them batshit crazy

That can't be right - all those vast fortunes were earned and their owners are entitled to every penny.

Thinking anything else means you're a commie, socialist lefty.

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Ran into an old sailing friend at the Post Office.   He recently sold some property, and knew we were liquidating some of our rentals.  He warned me to pay the depreciation recapture and Capital Gains taxes this year, because Biden is changing the tax laws for next year to make that more expensive.  So, I called my accountant, and he said not to worry, that will only affect folks making over 400k a year!   Well, don't I wish, but that's not the case here! LOL

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Americans suffer the same disabilities as the Europeans of 1919: They cannot think. They cannot speak plainly among themselves. 

Maybe that's why these here forums produce such a scintillating exchange of ideas?

“We modern civilizations have learned to recognize that we are mortal like the others. We had heard tell of whole worlds vanished, of empires foundered … sunk to the inexplorable depths of the centuries with their gods and laws, their academies and their pure and applied sciences, their grammars, dictionaries, classics … their critics and the critics of their critics…. We could not count them. But these wrecks, after all, were of no concern of ours.”

 

https://consortiumnews.com/2021/11/02/patrick-lawrence-the-manufacture-of-decline/

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1 hour ago, bstrdsonofbtl said:

Maybe that's why these here forums produce such a scintillating exchange of ideas?

“We modern civilizations have learned to recognize that we are mortal like the others. We had heard tell of whole worlds vanished, of empires foundered … sunk to the inexplorable depths of the centuries with their gods and laws, their academies and their pure and applied sciences, their grammars, dictionaries, classics … their critics and the critics of their critics…. We could not count them. But these wrecks, after all, were of no concern of ours.”

 

https://consortiumnews.com/2021/11/02/patrick-lawrence-the-manufacture-of-decline/

Tell us when the magas have a coherent and logical proposal...for anything. "Drain the swamp" is not a coherent or logical proposal.

Racism isn't a topic worthy of a "scintillating exchange of ideas". Noone can even tell us what CRT is, still, except a three-word slogan that riles up the racists.

The opinions of the treasonous are worth nothing.

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6 minutes ago, hobie1616 said:

I hope they throw the book at her.

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“Unlike what the Prosecutor says, I do not feel that I am immune to punishment due to my appearance and social status,” she states in the letter. “I do not feel that I will get off ‘Scott Free’ (quoting the prosecutor), but I was trying to maintain my dignity to a mob of haters who were harassing me relentlessly by social media, phone and email.”

lol.  

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3 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Typical peaceful tourist behavior.

I hope they don't show up here. It was so peaceful and quiet during major Covid, I almost wish it was still virulent.

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11 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

She should have gotten 6 months at least.

She was inside the capitol, right? 

If so, she should have gotten 2 to 3 years . .  at least 

like the harmless peacenik lefties of Plowshares 

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MAGA rioter gave House committee evidence of contacts with 'state-level GOP officials'

A MAGA rioter has reportedly told the House Select Committee investigating the January 6th riots at the United States Capitol that they had contacts ahead of the riot with "state-level GOP officials who worked with former President Donald Trump as he attempted to overturn the 2020 election." 


According to Politico, the rioter has interviewed with the committee twice within the last week and "described knowledge of contacts between GOP officials in a key state Trump lost and allies of the former president in the weeks leading up to the Jan. 6 attack." 

The rioter is scheduled to talk with the committee again in the coming days and Politico's sources say they have already been asked questions that "ranged from the defendant's knowledge of those who organized travel to Washington for the Jan. 6 event as well as details about the preparation of legal affidavits in support of Trump's false claims of voter fraud." 

The Capitol riot committee so far has interviewed more than 150 people in its efforts to uncover the full picture about what led up to the deadly events on January 6th. 


https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-riot-committee-testimony-2655498095/ 
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/04/january-6-committee-rioter-interview-519580 

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8 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Breaking News: GOP Senate Candidate Tells FBI He Has Evidence Michael Flynn Is Working

With Foreign Intelligence As Part of Treasonous Plot to Overthrow Federal Government 

https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/breaking-news-gop-senate-candidat

Yeah, but Hillary used email and wore pant suits.  And, President Biden has a speech impediment.

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50 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Yeah, but Hillary used email and wore pant suits.  And, President Biden has a speech impediment.

... and Obama wore a tan suite.  Oh mon Dieu!

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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

MAGA rioter gave House committee evidence of contacts with 'state-level GOP officials'

A MAGA rioter has reportedly told the House Select Committee investigating the January 6th riots at the United States Capitol that they had contacts ahead of the riot with "state-level GOP officials who worked with former President Donald Trump as he attempted to overturn the 2020 election." 


According to Politico, the rioter has interviewed with the committee twice within the last week and "described knowledge of contacts between GOP officials in a key state Trump lost and allies of the former president in the weeks leading up to the Jan. 6 attack." 

The rioter is scheduled to talk with the committee again in the coming days and Politico's sources say they have already been asked questions that "ranged from the defendant's knowledge of those who organized travel to Washington for the Jan. 6 event as well as details about the preparation of legal affidavits in support of Trump's false claims of voter fraud." 

The Capitol riot committee so far has interviewed more than 150 people in its efforts to uncover the full picture about what led up to the deadly events on January 6th. 


https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-riot-committee-testimony-2655498095/ 
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/04/january-6-committee-rioter-interview-519580 

How about some fucking names.

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3 hours ago, badlatitude said:

who organized travel to Washington for the Jan. 6 event

This keeps popping up. Surely there'd be a financial paper trail of flights and buses booked and by who.

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3 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Yeah, but Hillary used email and wore pant suits.  And, President Biden has a speech impediment.

....:D

 

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28 minutes ago, Ncik said:

This keeps popping up. Surely there'd be a financial paper trail of flights and buses booked and by who.

Tracking down the parties who set this up and funded it are at the very top of the list. 

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3 hours ago, Seriatim Tom said:

My wife was binge watching that recently so I was exposed to quite a bit of it. Pretty good show!

It is.   

I recommend the book.  The book offers some insights into the "prison industrial" complex and discusses how (sadly, too often) prisons have become warehouses for the mentally ill.  Much of the social commentary in the book was lost in the show.  

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15 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Open investigation, you have to wait with the rest of us.

It's been 10 months - that isn't "open", that's just kicking the can down the road.

Yap, yap, yap - well past time there was some action - it's not like there's a shortage of guilt & blame to go around.

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Alleged Jan. 6 Rioter Tries to Sell Home on Zillow, Inadvertently Reveals Cache of Explosives: FBI

 

A former Green Beret and one-time congressional candidate arrested last month for his alleged participation in the Capitol riot was illegally stockpiling explosives prior to being jailed on charges related to the Jan. 6 pro-Trump siege, according to an FBI search warrant filed Friday in Washington, D.C. federal court. 

When federal agents searched 47-year-old Jeremy Brown’s Florida home in October, they reported finding a short-barrel rifle, a sawed-off shotgun, more than 8,000 rounds of ammunition, and two hand grenades. But it was a picture included in a sales listing for his house on Zillow that led to his latest troubles. 

In a photo from “what appears to be Brown’s office,” FBI agents spotted a whiteboard with columns labeled “Food,” “Clothing,” “Shelter,” “Currency,” “Communicate,” “Move,” and “Shoot,” the warrant states. In the “shoot” column, it continues, “there are numerous firearms listed and explosive devices such as ‘flash bangs.’” The entry on the whiteboard indicated that Brown had the flash bangs “on hand,” the filing says, adding that Brown “is not registered to possess explosive devices.” 

Agents are now seeking to search a trailer located on Brown’s property, which the FBI believes he bought about a month ago: “[ I]t is unlikely that an individual would market a home available for public inspection with guns and explosives inside of the home, [thus] it is probable ammunition, and explosives, which constitute potential evidence in the investigation, have been moved to the RV or trailer,” the warrant states. Brown remains jailed after a judge in October ruled he was a danger to the community. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alleged-jan-6-rioter-jeremy-brown-tries-to-sell-home-on-zillow-accidentally-reveals-cache-of-explosives-fbi 

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55 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Alleged Jan. 6 Rioter Tries to Sell Home on Zillow, Inadvertently Reveals Cache of Explosives: FBI

 

A former Green Beret and one-time congressional candidate arrested last month for his alleged participation in the Capitol riot was illegally stockpiling explosives prior to being jailed on charges related to the Jan. 6 pro-Trump siege, according to an FBI search warrant filed Friday in Washington, D.C. federal court. 

When federal agents searched 47-year-old Jeremy Brown’s Florida home in October, they reported finding a short-barrel rifle, a sawed-off shotgun, more than 8,000 rounds of ammunition, and two hand grenades. But it was a picture included in a sales listing for his house on Zillow that led to his latest troubles. 

In a photo from “what appears to be Brown’s office,” FBI agents spotted a whiteboard with columns labeled “Food,” “Clothing,” “Shelter,” “Currency,” “Communicate,” “Move,” and “Shoot,” the warrant states. In the “shoot” column, it continues, “there are numerous firearms listed and explosive devices such as ‘flash bangs.’” The entry on the whiteboard indicated that Brown had the flash bangs “on hand,” the filing says, adding that Brown “is not registered to possess explosive devices.” 

Agents are now seeking to search a trailer located on Brown’s property, which the FBI believes he bought about a month ago: “[ I]t is unlikely that an individual would market a home available for public inspection with guns and explosives inside of the home, [thus] it is probable ammunition, and explosives, which constitute potential evidence in the investigation, have been moved to the RV or trailer,” the warrant states. Brown remains jailed after a judge in October ruled he was a danger to the community. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alleged-jan-6-rioter-jeremy-brown-tries-to-sell-home-on-zillow-accidentally-reveals-cache-of-explosives-fbi 

The IQ level of these guys is lower than the temperature inside an empty shed on the coast of Portland, Maine during a nor'easter.

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