SEC16518 25 #1 Posted January 12 I may get bashed for this......I love the videos, but hate the idea of funding the production. Isn't this all part of the SA media circle? Shouldn't the advertising fund it alone and if not, it shouldn't be part of the business. Again, I love the videos, but if they are not profitable or have no promo value for the site keep it as a separate hobby. I think they just make the overall SA media better and add value. Overtime I think these get many views and likes especially when there are more. I see them like the Doug DeMuro car vids. These are not only entertaining but good for potential buyers of similar boats as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SEC16518 25 #2 Posted January 12 BTW...If on the east coast ever, I have a beautiful J/33, Hull #1 in NJ that would make a great vid.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Editor 620 #3 Posted January 12 9 minutes ago, SEC16518 said: BTW...If on the east coast ever, I have a beautiful J/33, Hull #1 in NJ that would make a great vid.... i used to race on back in the day - good boat! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Editor 620 #4 Posted January 12 11 minutes ago, SEC16518 said: I may get bashed for this......I love the videos, but hate the idea of funding the production. Isn't this all part of the SA media circle? Shouldn't the advertising fund it alone and if not, it shouldn't be part of the business. Again, I love the videos, but if they are not profitable or have no promo value for the site keep it as a separate hobby. I think they just make the overall SA media better and add value. Overtime I think these get many views and likes especially when there are more. I see them like the Doug DeMuro car vids. These are not only entertaining but good for potential buyers of similar boats as well. I appreciate your comments. Making the videos is not a Sailing Anarchy endeavor - Nobleman Productions does that, and if you know anything about making quality video, you know how spendy it is. We don't make a dime on these things, and in truth, they are doing all of this work for free! I gladly donate my time and energy, as we think we have created something very cool. Something that we want to keep doing, improving along the way. The cold facts of money are not going away. These guys are uber talented, and they need to be compensated for their work, hence our reluctant but necessary ask of the community. Candidly, if we don't get revenue and community support, at some point soon, we'll have to pull the plug on further production. Douchebag leweck is doing the very same thing for the very same shit he rips off on a daily basis. He wants your money, and for that you get more press releases. We are actually producing something that costs money to do. SA can't pay for it, we are hurting like so many other small businesses. So that's pretty much our plight. I am more than happy to hear what some of you guys think about how to make this sustainable. 17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent bob 710 #5 Posted January 12 14 minutes ago, Editor said: i used to race on back in the day - good boat! Three of them in King Harbor. Nitro, Tigger, and Aloha! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psycho tiller 189 #6 Posted January 13 Herein lies the greatest irony of sailors. We'll pay $5 for a friggen stainless steel screw and $50 for a glorified "pulley" but are reluctant to help fund what is clearly a very professional and incredibly entertaining & informative video series. @Editor, is there a way to set up a one time contribution option on your patreon account instead of a monthly payment? Those of us with commitment issues might be more willing to donate with a one time/occasional payment option. Never know what month I'll need some extra money for another $5 stainless steel screw! 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DtM 544 #7 Posted January 13 Good point, second that submission. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senator Seditious Maximus 362 #8 Posted January 13 I see no issue of voluntarily funding something you like. I do lots on Patron for musicians I like who otherwise could not justify doing music for a "living". Appreciate @Editor adding something pleasant and peaceful to the sailing scene. That's my .02c worth 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Editor 620 #9 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, psycho tiller said: Herein lies the greatest irony of sailors. We'll pay $5 for a friggen stainless steel screw and $50 for a glorified "pulley" but are reluctant to help fund what is clearly a very professional and incredibly entertaining & informative video series. @Editor, is there a way to set up a one time contribution option on your patreon account instead of a monthly payment? Those of us with commitment issues might be more willing to donate with a one time/occasional payment option. Never know what month I'll need some extra money for another $5 stainless steel screw! thank you and unfortunately, there is not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VWAP 973 #10 Posted January 13 Gramps suggests, When are you gonna do a Ranger 33. Put 4 or 5 guys on it and go offshore sailing for a few days. That might be fun to watch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ultraman 37 #11 Posted January 13 3 hours ago, psycho tiller said: Herein lies the greatest irony of sailors. We'll pay $5 for a friggen stainless steel screw and $50 for a glorified "pulley" but are reluctant to help fund what is clearly a very professional and incredibly entertaining & informative video series. @Editor, is there a way to set up a one time contribution option on your patreon account instead of a monthly payment? Those of us with commitment issues might be more willing to donate with a one time/occasional payment option. Never know what month I'll need some extra money for another $5 stainless steel screw! Hey, I don't know where you shop, but I got 3 stainless screws and 3 nuts for $6 yesterday at the Chandelry! Love the videos. Think they are great. Still not sure about paying for content on the Internets... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LB 15 4,877 #12 Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Ultraman said: Still not sure about paying for content on the Internets... Seriously? You should see some of the short films in the members section on pornhub...These young people deserve our support for they don't get fucked over. and over. and over... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobot 1,933 #13 Posted January 13 *cough* 41,833 replies 1,797,654 views 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 1,038 #14 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Editor said: 4 hours ago, psycho tiller said: Herein lies the greatest irony of sailors. We'll pay $5 for a friggen stainless steel screw and $50 for a glorified "pulley" but are reluctant to help fund what is clearly a very professional and incredibly entertaining & informative video series. @Editor, is there a way to set up a one time contribution option on your patreon account instead of a monthly payment? Those of us with commitment issues might be more willing to donate with a one time/occasional payment option. Never know what month I'll need some extra money for another $5 stainless steel screw! thank you and unfortunately, there is not. Are you really really sure that there is some barrier to you setting up a PayPal account to accept donations? The Tally Ho project has one at https://sampsonboat.co.uk/support/ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matagi 792 #15 Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, TwoLegged said: Are you really really sure that there is some barrier to you setting up a PayPal account to accept donations? The Tally Ho project has one at https://sampsonboat.co.uk/support/ Gofundme is surely also an alternative for that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 1,038 #16 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Matagi said: 1 hour ago, TwoLegged said: Are you really really sure that there is some barrier to you setting up a PayPal account to accept donations? The Tally Ho project has one at https://sampsonboat.co.uk/support/ Gofundme is surely also an alternative for that? AFAIK, GoFundMe takes a cut of the donations. I don't view that as desirable 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antoine 1 #17 Posted January 13 I love the content, and agree that it's not because it's on Internet that it has to be free. Stuff of value have a price. And more than willing to contribute. I'm glad to be one of the first one to have done so. Same reason why I do contribute to the Tally'Ho project as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matagi 792 #18 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, TwoLegged said: AFAIK, GoFundMe takes a cut of the donations. I don't view that as desirable 3 to 5 per cent, I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SEC16518 25 #19 Posted January 13 How about putting them on YouTube Premium? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoyo 147 #20 Posted January 13 Already a structure in place to get paid by youtube How To Get Paid On YouTube In 2020 (NEW Steps Explained) - YouTube Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan 66 #21 Posted January 13 10 hours ago, VWAP said: Gramps suggests, When are you gonna do a Ranger 33. Put 4 or 5 guys on it and go offshore sailing for a few days. That might be fun to watch On a Ranger 33 a few days offshore what is that like Oceanside to San Diego? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Editor 620 #22 Posted January 13 10 hours ago, VWAP said: Gramps suggests, When are you gonna do a Ranger 33. Put 4 or 5 guys on it and go offshore sailing for a few days. That might be fun to watch getting a 33 lined up as we speak! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Editor 620 #23 Posted January 13 9 hours ago, TwoLegged said: Are you really really sure that there is some barrier to you setting up a PayPal account to accept donations? The Tally Ho project has one at https://sampsonboat.co.uk/support/ oh for sure we can set something up, it is just that Patreon does not. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Editor 620 #24 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, yoyo said: Already a structure in place to get paid by youtube How To Get Paid On YouTube In 2020 (NEW Steps Explained) - YouTube yes, we are working you tube as best we can, it is just that we don't yet have the views or subscribers to start to much money coming in. it is a slow build for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
basketcase 415 #25 Posted January 13 10 hours ago, LB 15 said: Seriously? You should see some of the short films in the members section on pornhub...These young people deserve our support so they get fucked over. and over. and over... fify Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benytoe 51 #26 Posted January 13 I really like the series and would consider paying a one time fee. wondering how it would all work? special SA paid membership with total site access? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swimsailor 1,274 #27 Posted January 13 I signed up. Good content is worth paying for. I love the Retro series and have watched many of them several times. Thank you for making them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THOR 39 #28 Posted January 13 just make a paypal button for 5 .10 20 dlr on the front page ( it does exist right ? ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SEC16518 25 #29 Posted January 13 4 hours ago, Benytoe said: I really like the series and would consider paying a one time fee. wondering how it would all work? special SA paid membership with total site access? Yes, the "Freemium" model that a lot of other sites do.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VWAP 973 #30 Posted January 13 7 hours ago, fan said: On a Ranger 33 a few days offshore what is that like Oceanside to San Diego? Needs to go to Mexico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeO 114 #31 Posted January 13 What if you ran 1 or 2 5-sec ads during he longer videos? Not that I'd like that, but I'd put up with it if it helped fund the videos. 'specially sailing-related or booze ads! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swimsailor 1,274 #32 Posted January 14 2 hours ago, JoeO said: What if you ran 1 or 2 5-sec ads during he longer videos? Not that I'd like that, but I'd put up with it if it helped fund the videos. 'specially sailing-related or booze ads! There's been some product placement too. The watch pitch was cool. I think most of us "get it" though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VWAP 973 #33 Posted January 14 2 hours ago, JoeO said: What if you ran 1 or 2 5-sec ads during he longer videos? Not that I'd like that, but I'd put up with it if it helped fund the videos. 'specially sailing-related or booze ads! 30 sec seems to work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sail4beer 2,104 #34 Posted January 14 23 hours ago, hobot said: *cough* 41,833 replies 1,797,654 views Part time, I might add! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvaOdland 168 #35 Posted January 14 You got my $10! Having been working on my own retro boats....seeing the different deck layouts and interior configurations are a source of ideas for my own projects and refits...I have scoured my home marina looking at various vintage race boats rigging when I resurrected and refit the Pearson Flyer this past summer and got it sailing again. Being able to see the layouts is not only entertaining but educational. "Lets go look at boats!" is the next best thing to sailing them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Profit 31 #36 Posted January 15 On 1/12/2021 at 2:36 PM, Editor said: I appreciate your comments. Making the videos is not a Sailing Anarchy endeavor - Nobleman Productions does that, and if you know anything about making quality video, you know how spendy it is. We don't make a dime on these things, and in truth, they are doing all of this work for free! I gladly donate my time and energy, as we think we have created something very cool. Something that we want to keep doing, improving along the way. The cold facts of money are not going away. These guys are uber talented, and they need to be compensated for their work, hence our reluctant but necessary ask of the community. Candidly, if we don't get revenue and community support, at some point soon, we'll have to pull the plug on further production. Douchebag leweck is doing the very same thing for the very same shit he rips off on a daily basis. He wants your money, and for that you get more press releases. We are actually producing something that costs money to do. SA can't pay for it, we are hurting like so many other small businesses. So that's pretty much our plight. I am more than happy to hear what some of you guys think about how to make this sustainable. Sell ad space in each video. Offer the space as an incentive to advertisers who go big, or sell individual spots. Hit up all the yacht brokers who have cool boats listed and get them to pay for a Retro Boat commercial. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guvacine 23 #37 Posted January 15 I like the vids but won't donate. You make the vids to get clicks and advertisers. By asking for money Ed, you sound like another whiny millennial putting off dipping into the trust fund. Is a Patreon account next? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
highlander709 5 #38 Posted January 15 Like many, I'd be happy to provide some support, but I try hard to avoid signing up for automatic monthly withdrawals from account. Yes it makes budgeting easier for the group collecting the money, but those little $5 a month automatic withdrawals add up over time, especially when there are several of them happening each month, not to mention they go on indefinitely, are often forgotten and are sometimes hard to cancel when you remember them and decide to cancel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Jack 335 #39 Posted January 15 On 1/12/2021 at 10:31 PM, TwoLegged said: Are you really really sure that there is some barrier to you setting up a PayPal account to accept donations? The Tally Ho project has one at https://sampsonboat.co.uk/support/ There is a serious argument to be made that the whole Tally Ho is for profit US based video production unit enterprise remaking a new boat out of an original boat that no longer exists. It is disappointing because the donations are not listed as tax deductible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TwoLegged 1,038 #40 Posted January 16 9 hours ago, Black Jack said: There is a serious argument to be made that the whole Tally Ho is for profit US based video production unit enterprise remaking a new boat out of an original boat that no longer exists. It is disappointing because the donations are not listed as tax deductible. The whole "is it a new boat" debate seems to me to be a bit sterile. There are two ways of looking at it, and both have some validity. As to the for-profit notion, who do you think is making the alleged profit? There is no transparency about the project's finances, but I don't see any evidence that anyone is creaming off some of the income. I am surprised that anyone would want their donations to be tax deductible. Tax relief on donations should be for public benefit causes, and it's hard to make the case that restoring an old foreign boat is a benefit for the American public which justifies diversion of funds away from the common good of running the government and providing public services. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glexpress 99 #41 Posted February 17 @Editor when are we going to get a retro video on the Express 27? Love the series! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
'Bacco 91 #42 Posted February 18 Mumm 36 would be a awesome one too. I used to race on one in high school when they were the hot shit boats. Those boats probably turned more masts into flagpoles than any other design. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
