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Can someone game this out?

The insurrections actually do kill Pence, Pelosi, AOC, and some others and hold the rest of them hostage.

What would happen next? Especially if Trump starts saying I WIN I WIN and does little to nothing to resolve the situation.

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15 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Can someone game this out?

The insurrections actually do kill Pence, Pelosi, AOC, and some others and hold the rest of them hostage.

What would happen next? Especially if Trump starts saying I WIN I WIN and does little to nothing to resolve the situation.

A lot depends on the reaction of the Supreme Court and the Pentagon

If the unanimous reaction from all (SCOTUS and JCS etc) was "No, you're done, goodbye Trump & friends" then there's a chance of regaining order and restoring the gov't. If only a few Trump loyalists start giving orders to support the insurrection, the fighting starts.

It depends how many and what their offices would be, but it would not take a much in the way of obfuscation and disorder to hamstring a coherent and decisive response. Once the fighting starts, it only takes a few Trump-loyal armored and air units to make a big fucking mess and as LenP says, the country is finished, kaput.

Winner: Putin

- DSK

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37 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Can someone game this out?

The insurrections actually do kill Pence, Pelosi, AOC, and some others and hold the rest of them hostage.

What would happen next? Especially if Trump starts saying I WIN I WIN and does little to nothing to resolve the situation.

i dont necessarily agree with the name, i think it would stay as just 'Canada', and there would be a few more in the south west.

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8 minutes ago, basketcase said:

i dont necessarily agree with the name, i think it would stay as just 'Canada', and there would be a few more in the south west.

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No, we are just fine up here, thank you.

maybe look south.

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26 minutes ago, basketcase said:

i dont necessarily agree with the name, i think it would stay as just 'Canada', and there would be a few more in the south west.

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Please throw Co in there as well.......  We could hold the middle ground.  Might be difficult to hold off the hordes from Neb, KS and and WYO though, We have Skiing....  

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2 minutes ago, shaggy said:

Please throw Co in there as well.......  We could hold the middle ground.  Might be difficult to hold off the hordes from Neb, KS and and WYO though, We have Skiing....  

correct me if im wrong, but at one point in time didn't orange Hitler want to run some of his border wall between Colorado and New Mexico?

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12 minutes ago, basketcase said:

correct me if im wrong, but at one point in time didn't orange Hitler want to run some of his border wall between Colorado and New Mexico?

I think it was like the 4 seasons thing.  They got there, realized the mistake, held a presser stating that they were just practicing for the real thing then went a couple hundred miles South.  

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18 minutes ago, shaggy said:

Please throw Co in there as well.......  We could hold the middle ground.  Might be difficult to hold off the hordes from Neb, KS and and WYO though, We have Skiing....  

You can’t bring Lauren Bobert with you or the area she represents. It is rather telling that her home is in Rifle, CO.

I would also leave out the southern part of Illinois.  Very Kentuckyish.

 

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1 hour ago, jerseyguy said:

You can’t bring Lauren Bobert with you or the area she represents. It is rather telling that her home is in Rifle, CO.

I would also leave out the southern part of Illinois.  Very Kentuckyish.

 

Good god no, she needs to be run out on a rail.  Prob is if you boot the whole district, we loose some of the best skiing on the planet.  Not to mention one of the best drives.  Pity ... 

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btw.  It still could. 

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In Chansley’s case, prosecutors said the charges “involve active participation in an insurrection attempting to violently overthrow the United States government,” and warned that “the insurrection is still in progress” as law enforcement prepares for more demonstrations in Washington and state capitals.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-capitol-arrests-idUSKBN29K0K7 

 

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1 hour ago, basketcase said:

correct me if im wrong, but at one point in time didn't orange Hitler want to run some of his border wall between Colorado and New Mexico?

Trump confused “new” Mexicans with old Mexicans.

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OP:   In history generally what happens is two popes, two kings, two whatever.   We would have had two Presidents and very quickly two congresses.   The red Congress would have ballets with only one box (The President is almighty).    Even if the Supremes didn't vote along party lines, why would conspiracy theorists pay more attention to them then they did Republican election officials?   

Geography doesn't support a civil war with front lines.   Atlanta and other cities would be Biden territory, while suburbs would be battlegrounds.   For example, Indianapolis would have a blue center.  Of its suburbs, Zionsville would probably be blue but Greenwood dark racist red.   

Transportation would be a mess.   Food has to be imported into the cities but nearly everything Walmart stocks has to come through the port of Los Angeles.    Rednecks would try charging tolls along the interstates.    Violence would escalate very quickly.    I know at least some federal workers and many military would support Trump, but not all.  Clearly DC showed that many police would also support Trump.   Empty Walmart shelves would cause suburban and urban fighting.   I cannot see how the US would have avoided becoming a failed state by the fourth of July, even without the pandemic.   The tech companies must have come to the  same conclusion based on much better analysis.   Why else would they suddenly develop a conscience?   

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Just take in Cascadia. Immediately, you would be outnumbered 60/40 by them and find yourself with a third mandatory language, a rush project to build a lot of electric trains to nowhere and legislation to get rid of what is left of your manufacturing. 
 

 

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2 minutes ago, Innocent Bystander said:

Just take in Cascadia. Immediately, you would be outnumbered 60/40 by them and find yourself with a third mandatory language, a rush project to build a lot of electric trains to nowhere and legislation to get rid of what is left of your manufacturing. 
 

 

Another language doesn't scare me. I thought I picked up American pretty quickly.

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4 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Can someone game this out?

The insurrections actually do kill Pence, Pelosi, AOC, and some others and hold the rest of them hostage.

What would happen next? Especially if Trump starts saying I WIN I WIN and does little to nothing to resolve the situation.

Well, the Military stated publicly that they wouldn't get involved, and would follow Trump till Jan 20, and then whoever was sworn in on the 20th, moving forward. To not do that would be a military coup.

So, if Trump pulled the Insurrection Act and implemented Martial Law - stating the inauguration had to be delayed (he could still do this but likelihood is very, very small) the military would not be part of the discussion. Maybe the Courts could intervene but that would take awhile.  Lots of fuckery could take place while the courts figured it out.

 

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3 hours ago, basketcase said:

i dont necessarily agree with the name, i think it would stay as just 'Canada', and there would be a few more in the south west.

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Fuck that - we ain't taking Minnesota or Wisconsin.

And what State is MY?

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3 hours ago, basketcase said:

i dont necessarily agree with the name, i think it would stay as just 'Canada', and there would be a few more in the south west.

can.jpg

A few quibbles:

1) The Bolts won the Stanley Cup and have had one of the best teams for a decade.  

2) NC Arizona , New Mexico and Georgia are bluish and might deserve probationary status.  Also all the big cities in Texas are Blue 

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22 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

A few quibbles:

1) The Bolts won the Stanley Cup and have had one of the best teams for a decade.  

2) NC Arizona , New Mexico and Georgia are bluish and might deserve probationary status.  Also all the big cities in Texas are Blue 

older map.....

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25 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Fuck that - we ain't taking Minnesota or Wisconsin.

And what State is MY?

fair enough, i mean we would have to vote on it, same like we did when Quebec wanted out.

as for what state 'MY' is, im sure the map was put together by someone with no sense of geography.

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38 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Fuck that - we ain't taking Minnesota or Wisconsin.

And what State is MY?

You would seriously give up the great lakes???  And you call yourself a sailor...  Sheesh..

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We've already got 1/2 of them and that map would give us more.

Better than having a bunch of Warbirds and McCarthy types.

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I wouldn't mind MD for Annapolis.

But honestly most Canadians would not want to be a part of USA. We're too far apart culturally. Except Alberta. You're welcome to it if you leave us a E-W corridor - a couple miles each side of the highway would be OK.

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29 minutes ago, Zonker said:

I wouldn't mind MD for Annapolis.

But honestly most Canadians would not want to be a part of USA. We're too far apart culturally. Except Alberta. You're welcome to it if you leave us a E-W corridor - a couple miles each side of the highway would be OK.

No.... Its the other way around..... Those parts of America becoming Canadian.

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2 hours ago, Zonker said:

I wouldn't mind MD for Annapolis.

But honestly most Canadians would not want to be a part of USA. We're too far apart culturally. Except Alberta. You're welcome to it if you leave us a E-W corridor - a couple miles each side of the highway would be OK.

You all can have Maryland, but how does transport work? Dig a good railroad tunnel all the way to Montreal? You know you get Andy Harris, Trumper Supreme, hater of all things socialist except for bitching up a storm about the flaws in his own government healthcare :rolleyes:

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7 hours ago, basketcase said:

No.... Its the other way around..... Those parts of America becoming Canadian.

Those people are untrainable. Forget it. And so am I.

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23 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Well, the Military stated publicly that they wouldn't get involved, and would follow Trump till Jan 20, and then whoever was sworn in on the 20th, moving forward. To not do that would be a military coup.

So, if Trump pulled the Insurrection Act and implemented Martial Law - stating the inauguration had to be delayed (he could still do this but likelihood is very, very small) the military would not be part of the discussion. Maybe the Courts could intervene but that would take awhile.  Lots of fuckery could take place while the courts figured it out.

 

I think the DC mayor would order her cops to surround the Capital building and wait them out. She would ignore orders from the POTUS to tell her cops to stand down. As the scenario described, a slaughter in the halls, would inevitably mean a lot of their own guys were slaughtered too, they would stand with her. So would the State Patrol and surviving Federal DC Capital cops. They have a lot of hardware. 

 Who would respond to Trump's call to attack them, just more morons, and they would find out right quick the gloves were off and the ROE was down to looking froggy. 

 IMO, I could be wrong. 

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On 1/15/2021 at 8:43 AM, kent_island_sailor said:

Can someone game this out?

The insurrections actually do kill Pence, Pelosi, AOC, and some others and hold the rest of them hostage.

What would happen next? Especially if Trump starts saying I WIN I WIN and does little to nothing to resolve the situation.

I'm glad you posted this, it's something I've thought about a fair amount.  If the mob either kills a bunch of Democrats and/or the VP, or holds a lot of them hostage, it renders the Congress essentially inopoerative.  If that happened Trump's power would essentially be unopposed as Congress is the main other pole of power in the U.S., and Trump would have nominal control of the military.  There would be no Inauguration or transfer of power in the short term.

No one internationally or domestically aside from Trumpists would recognize the legitimacy of that power but he would have it nonetheless.

It wouldn't be a very stable situation.

The only resolution to the situation that wouldn't result in the country becoming a full fledged dictatorship under Trump would be either an assassination or military coup against Trump, a widespread "people power" revolution and/or general strike against Trump that would either result in Trump losing control over a military that wouldn't massacre U.S. civilians, or a full fledged civil war.

I'd like to think that some of those non dictatorship outcomes could occur but given that 70 some odd million people voted for this guy and a substantial portion of them are fanatic in their support of him, I don't feel nearly as comfortable about how the scenario would play out as I'd like.

The situation would be extremely unstable and I think it's very likely that Trump would be out of power and either assassinated or in prison within months or possibly even weeks.  But there would be a great deal of bloodshed and chaos in the meantime, and we'd probably have to start over almost from scratch to form a government where this kind of situation couldn't easily occur again.

I doubt if Trump had any specific plan other than to try and stop the certification of the Electoral College vote in any way that he could and prevent Biden's inauguration and stay in power and figure out the rest as he went along.

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On 1/15/2021 at 3:22 PM, basketcase said:

i dont necessarily agree with the name, i think it would stay as just 'Canada', and there would be a few more in the south west.

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That looks a way better option. 

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On 1/15/2021 at 6:43 AM, kent_island_sailor said:

Can someone game this out?

The insurrections actually do kill Pence, Pelosi, AOC, and some others and hold the rest of them hostage.

What would happen next? Especially if Trump starts saying I WIN I WIN and does little to nothing to resolve the situation.

I think at that point, the military gets involved..... and not on trump's side.  The Joint Chiefs all unanimously signed a letter saying they support the peaceful transition of power and what you describe is anything but peaceful or a transition of power.  They have the tanks roll into DC, Delta and/or SEAL operators from just down the road at Ft Bragg and VA Beach (with Rangers providing security outside) go inside the capitol bldg and kill/capture everyone of the insurrectionists.  

Trump is then arrested and held in a military detention cell and the SCOTUS steps in to confirm the next in line of succession if Pence and Pelosi were truly out of the picture. I forget who #4 is.  Anywho...... that person is a caretaker until Jan 20th when the actual President and VP elect are sworn into office.

At that point the Joint Congress drafts anti-insurrection legislation that makes the Patriot Act look like a local ordinance on jaywalking.  Trump is impeached, convicted in the senate, and then tried for sedition, inciting insurrection and treason.  As are any of his supporters and enablers in congress.  Many will get the death penalty, including trump.  Biden commutes trump's sentenced down to life w/o parole for the healing of the country.

Anyone who has a trump flag, trump-pence bumper sticker, a maga hat, a confederate flag, or a buffalo antler headdress are all rounded up and sent to reeducation camps in N. Dakota.  

Just saying.

 

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1 hour ago, Burning Man said:

I think at that point, the military gets involved..... and not on trump's side.  The Joint Chiefs all unanimously signed a letter saying they support the peaceful transition of power and what you describe is anything but peaceful or a transition of power.  They have the tanks roll into DC, Delta and/or SEAL operators from just down the road at Ft Bragg and VA Beach (with Rangers providing security outside) go inside the capitol bldg and kill/capture everyone of the insurrectionists.  

Trump is then arrested and held in a military detention cell and the SCOTUS steps in to confirm the next in line of succession if Pence and Pelosi were truly out of the picture. I forget who #4 is.  Anywho...... that person is a caretaker until Jan 20th when the actual President and VP elect are sworn into office.

At that point the Joint Congress drafts anti-insurrection legislation that makes the Patriot Act look like a local ordinance on jaywalking.  Trump is impeached, convicted in the senate, and then tried for sedition, inciting insurrection and treason.  As are any of his supporters and enablers in congress.  Many will get the death penalty, including trump.  Biden commutes trump's sentenced down to life w/o parole for the healing of the country.

Anyone who has a trump flag, trump-pence bumper sticker, a maga hat, a confederate flag, or a buffalo antler headdress are all rounded up and sent to reeducation camps in N. Dakota.  

Just saying.

 

(purple)is it bad that i really really want this to happen...?  Minus the death of course... 

asking for a friend...

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The problem is you're already on thin ice if you're depending upon a "good guy" military coup to get you out of a dictatorship.  You have to rely on enough senior officers to have the courage to go through with it, and hope that they are in fact good guys who turn over power to civilian leadership.  Meanwhile the whole U.S. system of government has been discredited.

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The military may have its share of malcontents, as recent history shows.    Hopefully psych screening would have kept Q anon types away from the nukes.   That alone would make sure most foreign powers are slow to accept Trump.   Russia and North Korea are likely exceptions.   

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2 hours ago, Burning Man said:

I think at that point, the military gets involved..... and not on trump's side.  The Joint Chiefs all unanimously signed a letter saying they support the peaceful transition of power and what you describe is anything but peaceful or a transition of power.  They have the tanks roll into DC, Delta and/or SEAL operators from just down the road at Ft Bragg and VA Beach (with Rangers providing security outside) go inside the capitol bldg and kill/capture everyone of the insurrectionists.  

Trump is then arrested and held in a military detention cell and the SCOTUS steps in to confirm the next in line of succession if Pence and Pelosi were truly out of the picture. I forget who #4 is.  Anywho...... that person is a caretaker until Jan 20th when the actual President and VP elect are sworn into office.

At that point the Joint Congress drafts anti-insurrection legislation that makes the Patriot Act look like a local ordinance on jaywalking.  Trump is impeached, convicted in the senate, and then tried for sedition, inciting insurrection and treason.  As are any of his supporters and enablers in congress.  Many will get the death penalty, including trump.  Biden commutes trump's sentenced down to life w/o parole for the healing of the country.

Anyone who has a trump flag, trump-pence bumper sticker, a maga hat, a confederate flag, or a buffalo antler headdress are all rounded up and sent to reeducation camps in N. Dakota.  

Just saying.

 

1.   I assume it’s the petty officers and sergeants that have the keys to the gun cabinets, not the joint chiefs.   Some of them may have followed the psych ops captain into treason.

2.   I think re-education / slave labor in North Dakota will be reserved for any captured liberals.    That open country isn’t known for its progressive thinking,    65% voted for Trump in 2020.   Some of them are still self reliant enough to survive without Chinese junk in the local distant Walmart if the left coast shuts off supplies.     I googled it, there are only 20 in the empty state!     If the nincomcoups accomplished their chanted goals, this wouldn’t have ended in a day.   

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2 hours ago, shaggy said:

(purple)is it bad that i really really want this to happen...?  Minus the death of course... 

asking for a friend...

Why "of course"?

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Let’s suppose this thing had spun out of control 10 days ago.   Really out of control.    Pelosi and Pence are dead.   A couple hundred crying Democrat politicians are released only after ‘confessing’ on neutral facebook and youtube that they took part in the great Jewish Antifa conspiracy to rob Trump,    That invigorates millions more Trump voters throughout suburbs and rural areas.   They wouldn’t be Trump supporters if they were capable of critical thinking.    Things only get worse from there.  
 

Some cops turn a blind eye in a few state houses, like we have already seen.   Maybe the military steps in to recapture the capital building like Jeff thinks and even protects Biden from a militia attack.   A few malcontents open the Crane Navy (storage) base in Indiana plus Michigan and Montana national guard armories to local militias in retaliation.   There are a lot of ways this could have escalated if the initial attack succeeded.    

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On 1/15/2021 at 7:59 AM, shaggy said:

Please throw Co in there as well.......  We could hold the middle ground.  Might be difficult to hold off the hordes from Neb, KS and and WYO though, We have Skiing....  

Based on the last election, Nevada, New Mexico and Arizona should be joined up.  With Colorado and Georgia as colonial territories.  The "Reds" have found that being in a perpetual minority is a difficult position to maintain if you want to exert power in a democracy.

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43 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Next time they will be way more organized. Let's hope they don't have an administration working with them next time too.

The next time will be a long way off.

The bugs are going to get squashed and shoved back under their rocks after this.

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On 1/15/2021 at 6:55 PM, Fakenews said:

A few quibbles:

1) The Bolts won the Stanley Cup and have had one of the best teams for a decade.  

2) NC Arizona , New Mexico and Georgia are bluish and might deserve probationary status.  Also all the big cities in Texas are Blue 

You also get the queen

And a parliamentary system which is quicker, less confrontational and more rational than the mercan brand of democracy

D

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11 hours ago, Ishmael said:
12 hours ago, mad said:

That looks a way better option. 

To you, maybe. Not to most Canadians. 

Agreed, sorry Canada.  Your delinquent neighbour is the last thing you need.

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11 hours ago, Lark said:

The military may have its share of malcontents, as recent history shows.    Hopefully psych screening would have kept Q anon types away from the nukes.   That alone would make sure most foreign powers are slow to accept Trump.   Russia and North Korea are likely exceptions.   

Not sure Russia are interested in having him, he's done his job and no further use.

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4 hours ago, dylan winter said:

You also get the queen

And a parliamentary system which is quicker, less confrontational and more rational than the mercan brand of democracy

D

Have you checked the news lately?

They're welcome to the puppet/figurehead Queen

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1 hour ago, kent_island_sailor said:
4 hours ago, dylan winter said:

You also get the queen

And a parliamentary system which is quicker, less confrontational and more rational than the mercan brand of democracy

D

Brexit :rolleyes:

Exactly, where the US leads the UK will follow.

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On 1/17/2021 at 1:13 PM, kent_island_sailor said:

Brexit :rolleyes:

Works perfectly. One of the drivers, the fishery industry, struggles now the most with the newfound bureaucracy and i really love that This "all will be better with Brexit" and not even one month into it kneedeep in the shit.

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