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The Trump era did more damage to the Republican Party in Arizona than almost anywhere else. Over the past two years, Republicans lost both Senate seats. In November, the state flipped Democratic in a presidential race for the first time since 1996. The GOP state party chair is currently at war with the governor.

“The craziness from the state Republican Party … it’s pretty embarrassing,” said Kirk Adams, a former Republican state House speaker and former chief of staff to Ducey. “We have been fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories and stolen election rhetoric and, really, QAnon theories from the state Republican Party since before the election, but certainly after.”

Trump blows up the Arizona GOP on his way out
 

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That's about the only good thing the Drumph has done in office. 

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You know if the GOP loses a state here (Arizona) and a state there (Georgia) before too long you run out of states. The big one of course is Texas and even Florida is coming into play.

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There are Republicans and there arw cultists. The cultists have taken over the party is several places.  Kicking the McCain's out of the party?  Truly a scary thing.  I have said this many times...Trump was never about Republicans vs Democrats to me.  The opposing parties can and should debate policy and law.  There is no debate with a wannabe dictator.  There is no policy consensus with an authoritarian.  Fuck Trump and fuck anyone who supports him. 

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7 minutes ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

You know if the GOP loses a state here (Arizona) and a state there (Georgia) before too long you run out of states. The big one of course is Texas and even Florida is coming into play.

The problem is that the state and local gov't is largely in the hands of Republicans, and many of them have been very vigorous in purusuing one-party rule.... more so than pursuing good governance

- DSK

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There’s no danger of a Dem one party state when the Pubs own the statehouses and divvy up the districts.   Gerrymandering is almost as good as numbers.   Even when abortion is illegal they will have guns and white supremacy to rally around.

For the record, a Dem one party state would be just as bad as Pub one party rule.   Trump was somewhat mitigated by the House and the rare Republican with an independent streak.   His damage was even more limited by basic incompetence and his golf schedule.   He even screwed up screwing up.   The Republicans in Ohio are so efficient they can keep legislation and politicians tainted by bribery.  Trump is a good mouthpiece but a second tier oligarch.   

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Second tier?

Who held more control?

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A lot of Marxist/Trotskyite socialist commie Californians have retired, exchanging their LA and SF million-dollar shacks for half-million dollar mansions in AZ. AZ has been back-sliding. Trump helped things along.  

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6 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

That's about the only good thing the Drumph has done in office. 

Burning this Bitch Down, one state at a time......  :lol:

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At what point, as they circle the drain, will the Republican party come to the realization that tRump was never a Republican?  He only viewed them as the carney barkers outside his circus tent, where the whole show was about him (and Ivanka's boobs).  

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6 hours ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

You know if the GOP loses a state here (Arizona) and a state there (Georgia) before too long you run out of states. The big one of course is Texas and even Florida is coming into play.

Based on the last decade of National and statewide elections I have a dim view of Florida turning blue.  Unlike Texas and GA the Blue states aren’t sending us their best.

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12 hours ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

You know if the GOP loses a state here (Arizona) and a state there (Georgia) before too long you run out of states. The big one of course is Texas and even Florida is coming into play.

But Ohio is going the wrong way - wtf is wrong with us ?? 

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10 hours ago, Lark said:

For the record, a Dem one party state would be just as bad as Pub one party rule.

Have to disagree with my good friend Lark. 

One party Ohio has suffered repeated yuge scandals, gun nuttery, and stunning incompetence . . . 

name me a Dem dominated Ohio regime that is even 1/10th as bad . . 

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1 minute ago, AJ Oliver said:

Have to disagree with my good friend Lark. 

One party Ohio has suffered repeated yuge scandals, gun nuttery, and stunning incompetence . . . 

name me a Dem dominated Ohio regime that is even 1/10th as bad . . 

They lack the power.   Power corrupts.   Its the human beast, don’t you think?   

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1 minute ago, Lark said:

They lack the power.   Power corrupts.   Its the human beast, don’t you think?   

Don't give me that - as a science guy, you should know better than to explain a variable with a constant . . 

who were the most recent Dem Ohio governors ?? 

What crookedness were they engaged in ?? 

But more importantly - Almost time for sailing !!!

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37 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Don't give me that - as a science guy, you should know better than to explain a variable with a constant . . 

who were the most recent Dem Ohio governors ?? 

What crookedness were they engaged in ?? 

But more importantly - Almost time for sailing !!!

It's always time for sailing. Sucks to be frozen.

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50 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Don't give me that - as a science guy, you should know better than to explain a variable with a constant . . 

who were the most recent Dem Ohio governors ?? 

What crookedness were they engaged in ?? 

But more importantly - Almost time for sailing !!!

Corrupt politicians of ALL sides are a constant.

Are you really going to have the bare faced hide to claim that there's never been a corrupt Democrat governor in US history?

FKT

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1 minute ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Corrupt politicians of ALL sides are a constant.

Are you really going to have the bare faced hide to claim that there's never been a corrupt Democrat governor in US history?

Try reading the questions . .  then get back to us about Ohio history. 

And beware the both-sidesism demons 

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1 minute ago, AJ Oliver said:

Try reading the questions . .  then get back to us about Ohio history. 

And beware the both-sidesism demons 

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Try answering the question instead of avoiding it in your attempt to blame everything on one side.

If the Republicans are in power more often than the Democrats of course there are going to be more corrupt Republican governors. You're trying to imply that Democrats have some virtue or resistance to corruption and I don't buy it. They just, in your State, get less opportunities to exercise it.

Power corrupts and access to power corrupts which is why they all need turning out on a regular basis. That at least breaks up the cosy oligopolies & cliques. Well, it did until the advent of corporates making donations/buying politicians in both parties.

Pretty easy to claim that there's not been a corrupt Democrat governor in Ohio in recent history if there hasn't *been* one at all. That's sort of like my elephant repellant logic.

FKT

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3 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Pretty easy to claim that there's not been a corrupt Democrat governor in Ohio in recent history if there hasn't *been* one at all. That's sort of like my elephant repellant logic.

You don't even know who they were . . 

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23 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Corrupt politicians of ALL sides are a constant.

Are you really going to have the bare faced hide to claim that there's never been a corrupt Democrat governor in US history?

FKT

Just as one bit of data (1/2 way thru the Mango's special efforts):

 

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1 hour ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Try answering the question instead of avoiding it in your attempt to blame everything on one side.

If the Republicans are in power more often than the Democrats of course there are going to be more corrupt Republican governors. You're trying to imply that Democrats have some virtue or resistance to corruption and I don't buy it. They just, in your State, get less opportunities to exercise it.

Power corrupts and access to power corrupts which is why they all need turning out on a regular basis. That at least breaks up the cosy oligopolies & cliques. Well, it did until the advent of corporates making donations/buying politicians in both parties.

Pretty easy to claim that there's not been a corrupt Democrat governor in Ohio in recent history if there hasn't *been* one at all. That's sort of like my elephant repellant logic.

FKT

The vast majority of corrupt and/or incompetent pols and governments I've seen over the past 55 years have been right wingers.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

The vast majority of corrupt and/or incompetent pols and governments I've seen over the past 55 years have been right wingers.

No argument from me there.

Now for bonus points, what is the percentage of right wingers vs left wingers over the same time span? If it's much higher, then - duh. They're the ones with the opportunities.

To be clear, I am not saying that right wingers are less corrupt than left wingers, I am saying that there is a quite significant percentage of corrupt politicians of all strands and it is the *corruption* that needs to be dealt with, not just the corruption of those belonging to your political opponents. Every time I bring this up AJ just deflects because he doesn't want to even vaguely discuss the (possible) mote in his preferred group's eye. He's not interested in addressing root causes, just attacking his political opponents. I'm interested in fixing the root causes and let the chips fall where they may.

Note his total lack of response to or suggestions to fix electoral issues like gerrymandering.

FKT

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5 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:
7 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

The vast majority of corrupt and/or incompetent pols and governments I've seen over the past 55 years have been right wingers.

No argument from me there.

Now for bonus points, what is the percentage of right wingers vs left wingers over the same time span? If it's much higher, then - duh. They're the ones with the opportunities.

To be clear, I am not saying that right wingers are less corrupt than left wingers, I am saying that there is a quite significant percentage of corrupt politicians of all strands and it is the *corruption* that needs to be dealt with, not just the corruption of those belonging to your political opponents. Every time I bring this up AJ just deflects because he doesn't want to even vaguely discuss the (possible) mote in his preferred group's eye. He's not interested in addressing root causes, just attacking his political opponents. I'm interested in fixing the root causes and let the chips fall where they may.

Note his total lack of response to or suggestions to fix electoral issues like gerrymandering.

Yep. The concept of the "safe district" is very basic in USA politics, almost universally accepted and desired by both parties.

That's flirting with a tacet acceptance of gerrymandering, at least. But it's also true that there is widespread commitment to fair voting districts. More among Democrats than Republicans, currently... with a few exceptions in some currently-Dem controlled states with small majorities.

There's also legitimate debate about what's fair, in setting voting districts. It's not just a question of where to draw the line, it's a question of how to center the districts. Economic interests? Simple geography?

A lot of politicians do have the moral fiber to be against gerrymandering, to work against it, but don't have the political capital to succeed.

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As I posted elsewhere, the simple solution to gerrymandering is a bias free computer program or even just an algorithm where race/income/party/etc. aren't inputs. Easy to fix from a "what do we do to fix this" POV. 

But there's absolutely no will from the politicians or the public. Heck, I'll bet a majority of the population of the USA doesn't even know what "gerrymandering" means.  And since those that were elected are beneficiaries of it, why would they oppose it? Sure, they'll be a few with a spine and some conscience, but that's not many. 

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23 minutes ago, gptyk said:

As I posted elsewhere, the simple solution to gerrymandering is a bias free computer program or even just an algorithm where race/income/party/etc. aren't inputs. Easy to fix from a "what do we do to fix this" POV. 

But there's absolutely no will from the politicians or the public. Heck, I'll bet a majority of the population of the USA doesn't even know what "gerrymandering" means.  And since those that were elected are beneficiaries of it, why would they oppose it? Sure, they'll be a few with a spine and some conscience, but that's not many. 

Arnold Schwarzenegger pushed through non-partisan redistricting here in CA. It took him two attempts because the first, Prop 77, was in that stupid right wing special election. But he kept at it, and passed Prop 11.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_California_special_election#Proposition_77:_Redistricting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_11

Prop 11 takes redistricting away from the legislature and it's worked pretty well. It can be done but it is difficult. Politicians (state legislators) are loathe to give up the issue and the power and donations that come with it. Special interests (corporations + unions) are similarly opposed. But it is possible.

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While it is true that the Dems have at times engaged in gerrymandering . . but 

that is no longer the case except for the margins. 

And before you take that as support for Both Sidesism, I will hasten to add that 

when the SCOTUS last ruled on this in 2019 every single Reich Wing justice voted 

against any limits on political gerrymandering. And all the "liberal" justices voted for. 

So our Reich Wing court thinks that the equal protection clause of the 14th applies to 

corporations, but not human beings. 

(The US political Reich is now gearing up to ask the court to throw out the non-partisan 

redistricting boards - watch for it.) 

They're all the same ???  BULL PUCKY !! 

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10 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Every time I bring this up AJ just deflects because he doesn't want to even vaguely discuss the (possible) mote in his preferred group's eye. He's not interested in addressing root causes, just attacking his political opponents.

Deflect this . . 

"They're all the same." (corrupt) is simply a corollary of Both Sidesism. 

Are there corrupt Dems? Of course there are - many of them. 

And there are also honest republicans - I even voted for one in Nov., though I'm starting to regret it. 

In addition, corruption seems to vary from country to country; though I am not an expert on Canada or Germany, I would argue that many of their conservative pols are reasonably honest. Ozz may fall into the same category. 

But the modern US Reich is far, far worse - former GOP insiders call it a criminal enterprise (look up Stuart Stephens or Steve Schmidt). 

Look Mr. FKT, I have sources, and you do not. 

If you want us to take you seriously, provide some credible sources. 

If you read the Stephens book, you may change your mind. 

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