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I had to stop and take a photo of this today (not like I'm pushed for time during lockdown ). Looks like my youngest likes SailGP. Perhaps the boats are just easier to build with lego than the foiling

i didnt bag the ac dipshit. quite strangely you identify yourself with that event and you feel like if someone bags on you, that means the event. i thought it was good. you on the other hand must be f

Some of you are truly amusing. Let's start with a simple truth. This event was probably the best televised sailing I have ever seen. Sure, there is room for improvement but the racing was epic, t

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5 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

A skill of a good sailor is the ability to know what makes a boat go fast. Not only do they recognise what makes a one design boat fast, but theyre able to give valuable feedback into an AC design as well. As Sirena said, the ETNZ boat is a reflection of Pete and how he likes to sail. The F50 is a reflection of a design team that designed something that isnt up to scratch. The F50 isnt up to the standard of an AC boat. Its a crap boat. Everyone has the same tool, but just because everyone is using the same tool doesnt change the fact that the tool is shit. It just means everyone is using a tool that isnt what it should be. Its no coincidence that the AC sailors are struggling with the F50. Because theyre used to using tools that are of a certain standard, something the F50 isnt.

A poor worker blames his tools.

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15 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Quality tools produce quality work. 

A good worker can produced quality work even without the best tools.

I know a lot of people who turn up their noses at anything but the absolute best tools. They usually spend more time talking about how good their tools are than they do producing work with them.

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Holy shit, what a day! This format and these conditions are the clear future of the sport. I desperately want to see this fleet in smaller AC75s like Te Kahu. Those rip. I had significant doubts after the production issues on day 1, but what a spectacle this is turning out to be! Can't wait to see these 3-boat finals with a more competitive 3rd place disrupting the match race... tactically incredible development to the sport format. I'm hooked.

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10 minutes ago, Wild Things said:

Holy shit, what a day! This format and these conditions are the clear future of the sport. I desperately want to see this fleet in smaller AC75s like Te Kahu. Those rip. I had significant doubts after the production issues on day 1, but what a spectacle this is turning out to be! Can't wait to see these 3-boat finals with a more competitive 3rd place disrupting the match race... tactically incredible development to the sport format. I'm hooked.

Now that you mention it, what'S the reason for these 2-boats final? Why three boats?

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1 minute ago, Rennmaus said:

Now that you mention it, what'S the reason for these 2-boats final? Why three boats?

It's an interesting twist on a match race finish... a match race that keeps the lead boat a bit more honest by incentivizing the 3rd to stay split causing vmg and tactics to remain relevant at the front. I think it's smart as shit.

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2 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

Now that you mention it, what'S the reason for these 2-boats final? Why three boats?

It’s a steer away from match racing and better represents the “podium” format.  Not bad in my view.  Similar concept to medal races at the games, where it’s clear(er) to spectators what’s going on. 

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Just now, accnick said:

A good worker can produced quality work even without the best tools.

I know a lot of people who turn up their noses at anything but the absolute best tools. They usually spend more time talking about how good their tools are than they do producing work with them.

Bollocks.

A good tradie will ALWAYS use quality tools.

A cowboy will use tools that are average quality, then have to go back and re-do the work he's just done.

A quality worker uses quality tools, and produces a quality outcome.

 

 

 

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Yeah it all feels aimed at those "mass audiences" who want to see whoever crosses the line first win (despite almost every sport having the concept of points in a league).

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9 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Where is this quote?   Does not sound like Sling.

Remember the Olympics in China when he got a boat that would not perform finished in the 20s and had to totally rebuild himself mentally.    Thin line between self confidence and self doubt. 

 

10 hours ago, Liquid Assett NZ said:

Doesn't matter he is now a specialist SGP sailor that's all he does.

No one has ever said those words out loud "I am the best sailor in the world" ever before its a new level of arrogance. Has lost all respect from me I think he's a dick now 

 

I have an unfounded but distinct feeling that quote was taken out of context to build up the "rivalry" between him and sir ben in the wake of Sydney 2020. could be wrong though

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Ainslie needs to have a long talk with Peter Burling after what Pete did in Race 5. The Kiwis had no chance making the Final and Pete did not have the right of way either and he pulled that move at closing speeds of 40+ Knots which almost cost the Brits the Final. If you can't qualify stay out of it.

The British Boat looked "Locked In" today though. I wonder what the Issue was yesterday.

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1 minute ago, crashtack said:

 

I have an unfounded but distinct feeling that quote was taken out of context to build up the "rivalry" between him and sir ben in the wake of Sydney 2020. could be wrong though

My feeling is the SailGP marketing department is making quotes up to create conflict/interest.

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6 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

The British Boat looked "Locked In" today though. I wonder what the Issue was yesterday.

It was too early to write off the Brits after yesterday. 

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9 minutes ago, crashtack said:

 

I have an unfounded but distinct feeling that quote was taken out of context to build up the "rivalry" between him and sir ben in the wake of Sydney 2020. could be wrong though

Its in the Sydney 2020 "recap video" so that would fit

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Few points I took away from today:

Clearly nobody gives a fuck about the rules any more. We're on the second day of the season and I just watched Spain try to part a 10m beam cat in a laser sized gap on the pin end. It's fun and games now, but this really does seem dangerous to me. Pitchpoling at 20kts in a skiff is enough, this is just insane.

Pete's a cunt.

Lead change was exciting, whether you like it or not.

Commentators a cunt.

I'd love to know what Ben learned overnight. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Thats what makes the AC so much better! and sailGP so avearge.

 

The AC75 Class would have been DONE in that sort of Wind Strength like it was today in Bermuda!

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22 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

You don't see that with Sail GP

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You're right, they cancel the racing, hold it a day early, and suppress the results instead

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The only thing I did not like about today was JPN crashing into USA. Hard to say how JPN blew it so badly so I’m not blaming anyone but it sure as hell shook up the standings for this event. 
 

The rest of it was mostly brilliant fun. 

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17 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Thats what makes the AC so much better! and sailGP so avearge.

 

If you can’t enjoy great racing like we saw this weekend then: Just go the F away will ya? Ignore it, go watch some other high-level sailing or whatever. 
 

Related... How in this new SA upgrade format do you change a pointless asshole to ‘Blocked’ please? 

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2 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

If can’t enjoy racing like we saw this weekend then: Just go the F away will ya? Ignore it, go watch some other high-level sailing or whatever. 
 

Related... How in this new SA upgrade format do you change a pointless asshole to ‘Blocked’ please? 

Hahaha i guess I can say you're  athin skinned SailGP fan then huh? Since thats what you call Kiwi's who get pissed off with your trolling of the AC!

I hope you're going to do the same with the AC ya muppet! 

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3 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Hahaha i guess I can say you're  athin skinned SailGP fan then huh? Since thats what you call Kiwi's who get pissed off with your trolling of the AC!

I hope you're going to do the same with the AC ya muppet! 

I loved this past AC, enjoyed it thoroughly. But it’s in the past and so.. 

Loving this SailGP now. The Bermuda event is going to pretty hard to top, despite a few teething issues the conditions and the racing was generally excellent fun!

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1 minute ago, Stingray~ said:

I loved this past AC, enjoyed it thoroughly. But it’s in the past and so.. 

Loving this SailGP now. The Bermuda event is going to pretty hard to top, despite a few teething issues the conditions and the racing was generally excellent fun!

Didn't stop you trolling the forums for weeks though did it!

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2 hours ago, Forourselves said:

A skill of a good sailor is the ability to know what makes a boat go fast. Not only do they recognise what makes a one design boat fast, but theyre able to give valuable feedback into an AC design as well. As Sirena said, the ETNZ boat is a reflection of Pete and how he likes to sail. The F50 is a reflection of a design team that designed something that isnt up to scratch. The F50 isnt up to the standard of an AC boat. Its a crap boat. Everyone has the same tool, but just because everyone is using the same tool doesnt change the fact that the tool is shit. It just means everyone is using a tool that isnt what it should be. Its no coincidence that the AC sailors are struggling with the F50. Because theyre used to using tools that are of a certain standard, something the F50 isnt.

Fact is TNZ was found wanting, all your excuses can’t hide that. 
the top competitors found a way to win, 

your boys couldn’t. 

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1 minute ago, JALhazmat said:

Fact is TNZ was found wanting, all your excuses can’t hide that. 
the top competitors found a way to win, 

your boys couldn’t. 

FFS its one regatta on one days training.

The AC is all that matters.

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Pretty epic. Shame for AUS after dominating the regatta. But youd have to day GB mihht have picked up the race win in number 5 had it not been for NZL and their comeback in that race for me was the performance of the weekend. 

I prefer the 3 boat final. Nice podium.for the weekend, but will probably get more tactical later in the season (let the win go to the outsider and beat yourself rival for 2nd).

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2 hours ago, Forourselves said:

A skill of a good sailor is the ability to know what makes a boat go fast. Not only do they recognise what makes a one design boat fast, but theyre able to give valuable feedback into an AC design as well. As Sirena said, the ETNZ boat is a reflection of Pete and how he likes to sail. The F50 is a reflection of a design team that designed something that isnt up to scratch. The F50 isnt up to the standard of an AC boat. Its a crap boat. Everyone has the same tool, but just because everyone is using the same tool doesnt change the fact that the tool is shit. It just means everyone is using a tool that isnt what it should be. Its no coincidence that the AC sailors are struggling with the F50. Because theyre used to using tools that are of a certain standard, something the F50 isnt.

Fact is TNZ was found wanting, all your excuses can’t hide that. 
the top competitors found a way to win, 

your boys couldn’t.

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1 minute ago, JALhazmat said:

Fact is TNZ was found wanting, all your excuses can’t hide that. 
the top competitors found a way to win, 

your boys couldn’t.

The AC is what matters. And thats safely locked away.

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7 minutes ago, Mozzy Sails said:

Pretty epic. Shame for AUS after dominating the regatta. But youd have to day GB mihht have picked up the race win in number 5 had it not been for NZL and their comeback in that race for me was the performance of the weekend. 

I prefer the 3 boat final. Nice podium.for the weekend, but will probably get more tactical later in the season (let the win go to the outsider and beat yourself rival for 2nd).

GBR was AHEAD in Race 5 before Mister Burling pulled that IMO unnecessary move despite having no chance at the Final which slowed the Brits down quite a lot and no Penalty to the Kiwis. Hilarious!

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3 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Everyone was found wanting in Auckland. Everyone except TNZ.

People will lose interest very quickly in the AC75 Class if ETNZ wait until 2024/2025!

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12 minutes ago, Mozzy Sails said:

Pretty epic. Shame for AUS after dominating the regatta. But youd have to day GB mihht have picked up the race win in number 5 had it not been for NZL and their comeback in that race for me was the performance of the weekend. 

I prefer the 3 boat final. Nice podium.for the weekend, but will probably get more tactical later in the season (let the win go to the outsider and beat yourself rival for 2nd).

Any chance you following this like AC?

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8 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

What are the practice rules, please? Will Team Denmark have access to their boat to practice for the next event? 

Here’s hoping Taranto will happen despite the C19 hell still prevalent in Italy, and with teams able to get there and practice early. 
 

Yes, DEN is great fun to watch and root for but FRA is gaining my admiration too, they had a fantastic weekend. 

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4 minutes ago, james3232 said:

Any chance you following this like AC?

Another vote for @Mozzy Sails to give us some more content. :)

As a purist I was convinced this format was going to be shite however I was wrong, excellent viewing and cannot wait for Italy. :D

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3 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Here’s hoping Taranto will happen despite the C19 hell still prevalent in Italy, and with teams able to get there and practice early. 

Pulia, where Taranto is located is still a "Red Zone" as of yesterday.
Hope it gets better!

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4 minutes ago, Metoxi said:

Another vote for @Mozzy Sails to give us some more content. :)

As a purist I was convinced this format was going to be shite however I was wrong, excellent viewing and cannot wait for Italy. :D

Methinks Italy could be more of a light air Venue especially in early Summer.

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Nice reality TV Scripting.

Imagine, just imagine how you would make it go if you wanted to maximise interest?

You would have one guy make egotistical claims, out of character, to setup the rivalry.  Imagine how much more interesting it would be if the Australians did not win after dominating the regatta.

Imagine setting up the event format so that it did not matter how well they did, the final race is all that counts, so that the points could be shared around.

Imagine having the AC crew not do so well for the first few events and then they make a comeback towards the end!!!

Imagine that the main game is not to find out who are the best sailors, imagine that it was to do whatever is necessary to maximise ratings.

But these things never happen on reality TV do they?

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Imagine that sailors are not the target audience, so the speed has to be measured in units they understand.

 

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@Metoxi & @Mozzy Sails

Apparently for Season 3 SailGP will have a 3rd Wing in the Cards (28 Meters) designed for sub-ten knots.

Let's be honest: 18 Meter is for strong winds; 24 is for medium winds and 28 Meters will be for light winds.

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29 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

What are the practice rules, please? Will Team Denmark have access to their boat to practice for the next event? 

I don't believe there are rules for practice. It seemed handicaps were handed out last season, presumably by wuss, based on whatever he thought was fair.

My biggest beef with the circus.

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

Bollocks.

A good tradie will ALWAYS use quality tools.

A cowboy will use tools that are average quality, then have to go back and re-do the work he's just done.

A quality worker uses quality tools, and produces a quality outcome.

 

 

 

You think the F50 is shite?

You do realize almost everything about the F50 was designed, engineered,  and built in NZ, by Kiwis? Some of them are the same people who brought the America's Cup to NZ in the first place, 25 years ago, and successfully defended it.

The self-loathing is strong in you.

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18 minutes ago, Randro said:

Nice reality TV Scripting.

Imagine, just imagine how you would make it go if you wanted to maximise interest?

You would have one guy make egotistical claims, out of character, to setup the rivalry.  Imagine how much more interesting it would be if the Australians did not win after dominating the regatta.

Imagine setting up the event format so that it did not matter how well they did, the final race is all that counts, so that the points could be shared around.

Imagine having the AC crew not do so well for the first few events and then they make a comeback towards the end!!!

Imagine that the main game is not to find out who are the best sailors, imagine that it was to do whatever is necessary to maximise ratings.

But these things never happen on reality TV do they?

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Imagine that sailors are not the target audience, so the speed has to be measured in units they understand.

 

Let's be honest here: Tom Slingsby comes over as a little bit of a spoiled brat sometimes. His Team is basically selected on friendships and not based on performance. Look at the two Female Sailors. Darmanin got selected because her cousin Jason Waterhouse is the Flight Controller on the Boat and Curtis got selected because her & Wing Trimmer Kyle Langford are big buddies and known each other since they were kids.

Put this in contrast with Spithill, Ainslie and Outerridge who always select their Sailors based on Resume & Performance.

And now Tommy thinks he can steal the march on them, lol.

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27 minutes ago, accnick said:

You think the F50 is shite?

You do realize almost everything about the F50 was designed, engineered,  and built in NZ, by Kiwis? Some of them are the same people who brought the America's Cup to NZ in the first place, 25 years ago, and successfully defended it.

The self-loathing is strong in you.

25 years ago was 25 years ago. Drummond also was one of the key reasons we lost it as well with that "Revolutionary hula" piece of shit.

The F50 is shite. Had it been designed by ETNZ it probably would've been leaps and bounds ahead of where it is now, consistently breaking 50 knots, and foiling through maneuvers without hobby horsing around the course like it is now.  

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48 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

Let's be honest here: Tom Slingsby comes over as a little bit of a spoiled brat sometimes. His Team is basically selected on friendships and not based on performance. Look at the two Female Sailors. Darmanin got selected because her cousin Jason Waterhouse is the Flight Controller on the Boat and Curtis got selected because her & Wing Trimmer Kyle Langford are big buddies and known each other since they were kids.

Put this in contrast with Spithill, Ainslie and Outerridge who always select their Sailors based on Resume & Performance.

And now Tommy thinks he can steal the march on them, lol.

Now you are dumping on Slingsby. Weren't you telling Ben he was done a day or so ago? 

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19 minutes ago, Admiral Hornblower said:

I just finished watching the replay, and man was that awsome! One of the best Sailgp races I've watched.

 

Glad you enjoyed it:)!

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On 4/23/2021 at 10:28 PM, dg_sailingfan said:

I ONLY SAY THIS: PUT UP OR SHUT UP SIR BEN AINSLIE. I think you will need immediatedly removed from helming if you don't put up Results!

I guess you stiffened his upper lip or something. Good you are now dumping on Slingers, that will ensure his team gets the $1M.

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11 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Now you are dumping on Slingsby. Weren't you telling Ben he was done a day or so ago? 

I never liked Slinsby. He is too arrogant!

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8 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

I guess you stiffened his upper lip or something. Good you are now dumping on Slingers, that will ensure his team gets the $1M.

Well, Ben put up Results:D

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2 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

I thought I saw AUS touch 93kph today, anyone else? That’d be 50.2 knots, wow! 

GBR touched 94kph mate in Race 4 at the First Mark:):D

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1 hour ago, dg_sailingfan said:

That was quite bad from Slingers IMO!

I suspect it's more of a reflection of his fleet racing ability vs his match racing ability, or the pressure or a million things. Just like people bitching about PB. I doubt it was overly intentional, a good gybe by that team, would have put a very different complexion on his tactics.

But in the end, none of them are robots, so there is bound to be the odd mistake. Looking for intent reflects more poorly on the observer than the observed.

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Sail gp looks dated like Jai Alai.
It's a bunch of carpetbag pro sailors with a pseudo national team.  It would work better if the boats were slower so skill and tactics takes over from waiting for an opponent to make a mistake.  
Sail GP is a TV show.
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There is too much money involved for the outcome to be determined by who are the best sailors.

This is reality TV.   They are being introduced to this new world and you lot have not picked it.

Why the fuck do you think that Slingers said that?  Because it's the fucking script, set up the rivalry between the guy who said he was the best sailor in the world, against Sir Ben!!!!!

Fuck you guys are naive.  I bet you think 'Survivor' is real too!!!

You watch NZ start to do really well at sometime in the series and they play up the AC stuff.

 

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24 minutes ago, Randro said:

Fuck you guys are naive.  I bet you think 'Survivor' is real too!!!

Lol! 

I guarandarrumtee you these guys are all fighting hard out there.. 
 

 

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3 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

Fact is TNZ was found wanting, all your excuses can’t hide that. 
the top competitors found a way to win, 

your boys couldn’t.

they were looking better on day 2 but way to many mistakes, two really shitty marks, on was over pinched and the other was way deep and slow.  They have some work to do to get up to speed with this format, pretty much the only team who hadn't done last season.    TS probably has more time in these boats than anyone, i think he was involved in the testing and development.   Don't mess with jimmy or he will chop your bows off. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Qman said:

they were looking better on day 2 but way to many mistakes, two really shitty marks, on was over pinched and the other was way deep and slow

They got tangled up with Ben on a P/S approaching that bottom mark and yes, it ruined NZ’s best race; they were third or better at the time. 

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Kudos for Ben scraping into the final. Half way through race 5, he was not looking like he was going o make the final.  But aided and abetted by a terrible mistake from Spain, and the absence of USA and Japan due to the collision, Ben make sit through.

I deeply admire Ben's talents but I think Lady Luck smiled on them as well....because both Japan and USA had been ahead of Ben on Friday.

Sling was the most impressive over the weekend winning 4 of 6 races and coming 2nd in two.  Unfortunately for Tom, one of his seconds was the all important final and for that Ainslie owned it, covering when it was right to cover and breaking when it was ot right to cover. Masterly tactics indeed.

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1 minute ago, EYESAILOR said:

Kudos for Ben scraping into the final. Half way through race 5, he was not looking like he was going o make the final.  But aided and abetted by a terrible mistake from Spain, and the absence of USA and Japan due to the collision, Ben make sit through.

I deeply admire Ben's talents but I think Lady Luck smiled on them as well....because both Japan and USA had been ahead of Ben on Friday.

Sling was the most impressive over the weekend winning 4 of 6 races and coming 2nd in two.  Unfortunately for Tom, one of his seconds was the all important final and for that Ainslie owned it, covering when it was right to cover and breaking when it was ot right to cover. Masterly tactics indeed.

Yep, Slingsby was awesome but big kahunas by Ben too. 
 

FRA also impressed me greatly this weekend! 

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So will Jimmy get redress for getting kamikaze'd by Nate? Maybe NO got a bit too inspired by the flag on the wing?

Also really confused as to what the hell Pete was trying to do around the bottom mark in race 5. He was in a great spot to just jibe and make the other gate, instead he sits it down and points dead downwind to screw potentially his best race. Did he forget the boat has foils?

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4 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Yep, Slingsby was awesome but big kahunas by Ben too. 
 

FRA also impressed me greatly this weekend! 

Yes , agreed on FRA and Besson. Genuine French team with Billy on helm and Francois on Flight. Nice to borrow Leigh from UK on wing but all in all a team that has progressed a lot from Season one....and nice guys as well.

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1 minute ago, crashtack said:

So will Jimmy get redress for getting kamikaze'd by Nate? Maybe NO got a bit too inspired by the flag on the wing?

Yes, was curious about how the points would be awarded in that situation. Being as USA was not at fault (right?) maybe the right thing would have been to award them their place at the time, I think 4th. 
 

No idea how to score it properly after that, when neither could race again.. I suppose it’s motivation to teams to not get too damn close, whether you have rights or not? 

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Amazing to me, how the JPN bow got sliced almost clean off when they went up and down the USA stay. 
 

The steering on USA got broken too in that incident, somehow. You could see the rudders flopping around at different angles after the hit. 

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5 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Yes, was curious about how the points would be awarded in that situation. Being as USA was not at fault (right?) maybe the right thing would have been to award them their place at the time, I think 4th. 
 

No idea how to score it properly after that, when neither could race again.. I suppose it’s motivation to teams to not get too damn close, whether you have rights or not? 

I think in ye olde sailboat-in-the-water racing, JS gets redress at the discretion of the judges, which would probably be average points for races. no idea how it works in grand prix-land. I recall billy getting redress when the spanish attempted a ramming manouver last year, not sure what exactly it was though

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11 minutes ago, crashtack said:

So will Jimmy get redress for getting kamikaze'd by Nate? Maybe NO got a bit too inspired by the flag on the wing?

 

from SailGP RRS v.1.4:

62 REDRESS
There shall be no redress

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1 minute ago, crashtack said:

I think in ye olde sailboat-in-the-water racing, JS gets redress at the discretion of the judges, which would probably be average points for races. no idea how it works in grand prix-land

Agree. Today in GP land they both got just the 1 point for having started, then 0 for the next race.. yikes!

Lots more to go, thankfully! 

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2 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Yeah well you said the same about the AC75 so look in the mirror asshole.

You are the one constantly looking in the mirror back at the AC75’s, in the SailGP thread. 
 

Why not go off and post in old AC36 threads instead and spare the rest of us who are enjoying this completely different event format? 

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Just now, Stingray~ said:

You are the one constantly looking in the mirror back at the AC75’s, in the SailGP thread. 
 

Why not go off and post in old AC36 threads instead and spare the rest of us who are enjoying this completely different event format? 

Why not put it where it is completely separate from the AC then?

By the way, its SailGP that are looking back with the AC50. The AC75 is clearly the future.

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I’ve in the past have given Ben a lot of stick, so it would be wrong for not to mention that he sailed well in this competition. 
As for the kiwi crew, you were beaten fair square. No complaints or excuses, we will have to try harder. 
 

one day your a hero the next day your a zero 

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