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4 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Hey it wasnt me who said the F50 is a “neutral boat” even though most of the teams have a years race experience on the Kiwis. 
Both Larry and Russell are sore losers, but hey lets give that a pass and bag on Dalton for a Nationality rule smh.

The only sore losers are those that continuously bag on Kiwis for no reason other than they lost. 

 

I am thoroughly tired of this "sore loser" conspiracy theory as to why the SailGP was founded.

Sure, sail GP was a project that crew naturally out of the AC . But I think it was perceived  as an opportunity to create a foiling grand prix circuit unhindered by the constraints of the ded of gift and an event where the design was 80% of the battle.  They liked the 50s and wanted to build a OD around them. I think it has been great. Lets not be churlish when someone funds an event like this.

Any one of these boats could have been in the final: AUS GBR and FR.

ESP= Was in the final half way through the final of the 5 qualifier races

USA - But for the collision with Japan

Japan - But for the collision with USA

NZ - They were showing pace towards the end, and one just knows that they will be in the final before this is over.

The only boat which looked like it was not going to get there was Denmark.

So a series where 7 /8 of competitors were vying closely for the final slot is exciting in my book.

 

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i didnt bag the ac dipshit. quite strangely you identify yourself with that event and you feel like if someone bags on you, that means the event. i thought it was good. you on the other hand must be f

Some of you are truly amusing. Let's start with a simple truth. This event was probably the best televised sailing I have ever seen. Sure, there is room for improvement but the racing was epic, t

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I’ve been following for so long that I have a reasonable perspective. The ACWS events in AC45’s that lead up to AC34 SF were brilliant at times, and then the AC45F events leading up to AC35 Bermuda were too. Maybe the most memorable was the event in Plymouth in a big blow, with 12 boats on the line - it was epic!

But with that hindsight, it’s hard to think of an ‘ACWS’ style event quite as epic as what happened this weekend in Bermuda, that racing was f’ing cracking! Loved it

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1 hour ago, EYESAILOR said:

Funny we should be talking about the Danes......At that instant Danes have a nice lead out of those 4 boats and look the best balanced of the 4 ....but certainly shows how close the racing was.

Much better and much more passes than the AC even considering it's a fleet. However I would like more training in order to show the full potential of the boat.

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21 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Much better and much more passes than the AC even considering it's a fleet. However I would like more training in order to show the full potential of the boat.

I understand your desire for more Training Time however we are still living in a Pandemic-type Environment with each Goverment where SailGP is holding an Event having a different set of Rules and Guidelines to contain the Virus.

IMO SailGP & the Bermudan Government have done a fabulous job staging this Event despite all the obstacles they faced.

Conclusion: Right now it is not the right time from my Point of view to do bitching and moaning because of lack of Training. We should be happy the Events can be staged for now.

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Agree about the Kiwis a lot of work to do, and they will probably be a part of the show. That's great for the class and another skill builder for all. 

Regarding one design, or identical boats well we know that the out of water setup on most one design boats is very important but until you sail them you don't specifically know what is important and where to set them so the learning curve is longer than a day or even a month. All these boats will go faster a lot faster as the season moves along.

What about a pick of the maximum speed. because the show is set in Km/hr. a good milestone would be 100km/hr. peak speed, that would be impressive.

I think 110km/hr. was hit in the AC75 and 103km/hr. was certainly claimed. The course setup is suited to a top speed run in GP50 so make it a feature.   

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25 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

SailGP & the Bermudan Government have done a fabulous job staging this event despite all the obstacles they faced... we should be happy the events can be staged for now.

Couldn't have said it better. And you know what's more, just about everyone is happy with the exception of a small handful of basement dwelling kiwis who are adamant in dismissing a brilliant new format until their hometown heroes performance begins to match their recently inflated national sailing egos. The tune will change as soon as PB starts posting more impressive results than just sandbagging the brits... 

It's sailing, and it's even on the TV! What on earth could we possibly have to moan about?

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22 minutes ago, Wild Things said:

Couldn't have said it better. And you know what's more, just about everyone is happy with the exception of a small handful of basement dwelling kiwis who are adamant in dismissing a brilliant new format until their hometown heroes performance begins to match their recently inflated national sailing egos. The tune will change as soon as PB starts posting more impressive results than just sandbagging the brits... 

It's sailing, and it's even on the TV! What on earth could we possibly have to moan about?

A lot of people are bitching about the TV Production during the Bermuda SailGP which I don't understand. Can you imagine how difficult it is to do umpiring, commentating, graphics all from across the pond in London? It is not easy! Sure it isn't to the Standard of 2019 but it isn't very bad either.

I tip my hat to the TV Production Crew pulling it off given the circumstances!

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50 minutes ago, Wild Things said:

 

It's sailing, and it's even on the TV! What on earth could we possibly have to moan about?

The sailors are paid actors.  The entire event is more like a traveling circus than sailing as we know it.

That they can make a career out of it is a good thing but everything has a cost.  The cost to sailing with this is the passion is gone.  I'm an Australian but I can't relate with the Australian team, they are just another boat.

As a spectacle is it ok, as yachting?  Nuh, they appear to be performing monkeys and all the media posing, arm folding and pouting for the camera demeans it.

But then this is what happens when rich people commercialise what was otherwise a great sport ... to get even richer!

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1 minute ago, Randro said:

The sailors are paid actors.  The entire event is more like a traveling circus than sailing as we know it.

That they can make a career out of it is a good thing but everything has a cost.  The cost to sailing with this is the passion is gone.  I'm an Australian but I can't relate with the Australian team, they are just another boat.

As a spectacle is it ok, as yachting?  Nuh, they appear to be performing monkeys and all the media posing, arm folding and pouting for the camera demeans it.

But then this is what happens when rich people commercialise what was otherwise a great sport ... to get even richer!

If SailGP in your words is a "Travelling Circus" what is the GC32, TP52 or the now cancelled ESS?

All 3 are Sailing Events and should be respected!

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the tv has a button and its the great sensor.

 

don't like it don't watch. For me the jury is still out but the fact I am here indicates at least some interest and I will watch again.

The technology is sensational at the very least, the intrigue is building.

I enjoyed the hell out of the AC and suspect that if the AC had been all around the world as was the plan maybe there is insufficient room for both but lets see. 

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39 minutes ago, Randro said:

The sailors are paid actors.  The entire event is more like a traveling circus than sailing as we know it.

That they can make a career out of it is a good thing but everything has a cost.  The cost to sailing with this is the passion is gone.  I'm an Australian but I can't relate with the Australian team, they are just another boat.  

As a spectacle is it ok, as yachting?  Nuh, they appear to be performing monkeys and all the media posing, arm folding and pouting for the camera demeans it.

But then this is what happens when rich people commercialise what was otherwise a great sport ... to get even richer!

I doubt the rich person who funded GP Sailing is getting any richer from this event.

If you like watching amateur non-commercial sailing, there is plenty of that on You Tube as well.  For those who like watching the pro sailors race the fastest one design race boats on the planet, there is Sail GP. Different formats suit different tastes. 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Meat Wad said:

This is what's wrong with sailing journalists. When our own sports writers fumble all the time what are we supposed to do.

Japan collided with the US not the other way around

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Team USA’s day went sideways. Their F50 capsized during the first race on Day 2 after colliding with Nate Outteridge’s Team Japan.

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YES.  

And what really sucks is that NO fck'd up and took out the USA boat from both races.  So the they dropped from third down to last place through absolutely no fault of their own.  

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On 4/26/2021 at 5:59 PM, Horn Rock said:

https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/great-britain-wins-sailgp-great-sound/?fbclid=IwAR3FoiGk6zFVm8lbt_e6jov7kelnlf_db_YXH1T2JFDHIBJkeQBj1SHC7Aw

Onboard footage of Japan colliding with USA. Interesting comments from Nate about the event and the lack of training.

Agree with the author about how dangerous it was out there. One death or serious injury and it'll be all over for GP. Wuss might want to consider that before condoning the demolition derby aspect of the racing. Could be exposing himself to some serious liability if the event was deemed unsafe.

I agree that they need more training and time on the water, but that was a big excuse from Nathan.  It was very obvious for quite a while that he needed to change course, he can't blame that on lack of training.  He did not need more training to prevent the collision.  If he is trying to claim they didn't know what they were doing (lack of training) then he should have played it safe instead of cutting it so close.

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2 hours ago, coercivity said:

Agree about the Kiwis a lot of work to do, and they will probably be a part of the show. That's great for the class and another skill builder for all. 

Regarding one design, or identical boats well we know that the out of water setup on most one design boats is very important but until you sail them you don't specifically know what is important and where to set them so the learning curve is longer than a day or even a month. All these boats will go faster a lot faster as the season moves along.

What about a pick of the maximum speed. because the show is set in Km/hr. a good milestone would be 100km/hr. peak speed, that would be impressive.

I think 110km/hr. was hit in the AC75 and 103km/hr. was certainly claimed. The course setup is suited to a top speed run in GP50 so make it a feature.   

No offense, but I refuse to discuss anything in kph.  SailGP can get knotted for this nonsense, and I've told them so. 

Given the right conditions I'll bet they will crack 55 knots in a "sustained" run.

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Some of you are truly amusing.

Let's start with a simple truth. This event was probably the best televised sailing I have ever seen. Sure, there is room for improvement but the racing was epic, there were real p[lace changes and you could see how one mistake can be costly.

It seems to me that so much of the back story is to create something. Don't forget that many of these guys are really good friends. Slingers and Ben have a great friendship from their Oracle days, Slingers and Nathan have been very close since early teens (add Goobs to that group). And so on. Even among the crews, the same applies. There may be a load of sledging and back chat, but it's among friends and they don't take anything said very seriously.

Despite what Slingers would like people to believe, he got well and truly owned by Ben. Day 1 and Ben had issues, but on day 2, he got 1/2/1 to Slingers 2/1/2. Consider that if the NZers hadn't stuffed up, there is a good chance Ben would have ended up with 3 bullets, and that his recover in race 5 was maybe one of the better performances of the weekend, I personally believe Ben deserved his win and yet again, showed that he is the man to beat and is probably not only the best sailor currently, but maybe even the Goat.

As for those who were saying that Ben was too old.........

The performance of Pete and Blair was disappointing, with some mitigating circumstances not having enough practice and maybe boat issues. However, compare it with Ben's first outing in SalGP and I think they will be a bit disappointed with their result.

Props to the French. Leigh has really helped them step up. The more competitive teams the better.

Which brings me to the Spanish. Phil is such a cowboy:D. It's not just in SailGP. He sails like that in everything. He pipped me at the finish in a race at the last A Class worlds, taking out the 2 boats ahead of us in the process leading to him being lobbed (and me getting my place back:D) and he sailed like that all week. But he is happy to buy the beers after and gets away with it. He also works very, very hard and earns the success he has. However, his "drive it like he stole it" attitude is both the reason why he did so well but was ultimately what cost Spain a place in the final race.

I think Jimmy did pretty well considering he hadn't sail with his team before and maybe didn't even know some of them. 

Teams will improve as the season goes on. We will see lots of place changes in future racing. It's going to be a great SailGP season, better than I thought it would be. The only question I have is will anybody be able to consistently beat Ben because as we saw this week, and as some on here have said, he is old, over the hill and shouldn't be competing at this level:P

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4 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Hey it wasnt me who said the F50 is a “neutral boat” even though most of the teams have a years race experience on the Kiwis. 
Both Larry and Russell are sore losers, but hey lets give that a pass and bag on Dalton for a Nationality rule smh.

The only sore losers are those that continuously bag on Kiwis for no reason other than they lost. 

 

but you are still here! get the fuck on if you don't like it.

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In all seriousness, as much of an AC fan that I am, I watched the Bermuda SailGP event, and I did so with an open mind, and I tried as hard as I could to be objective about the racing.

So, the Kiwi team - uncharacteristically off the pace. To be expected with a brand new, untested boat with no sailing hours on their own boat. We all know how fast they learn, and they'll be top 4 easily by the the time the Lyttleton event comes around. 

The racing itself - everyone goes on about how epic it is to have 8 boats in the race, and it is, on the first leg. After that it just becomes chaos, and I find myself focusing on who is leading and who is in second, and whether the leader can stay in front, or whether the 2nd place boat can catch the leader. The chasing pack is just that, the chasing pack. Its like the Peloton in cycling. People only care about the first and second place competitors. Maybe 3rd, but the rest just become background noise. Even the commentary focuses far more on Slingsby and Outteridge, and they hardly mention Sehested and Robertson. 

So I come back to the fact that, in a race, the only positions that really matter, are the front positions, so the other positions and the other action becomes redundant. The commentators talk about a maneuver on a boat that isn't even in the picture, so who really cares about a maneuver thats not seen?

For me, its about the top two, the others are background, so I only need the two boats on the course, which is why I prefer boat on boat, one on one in a tactical race combined with speed. The problem with SailGP doing that is the courses are setup for multiple boats, so the course looks far too big and the boats far too small on the SailGP course by themselves.

Where is the VMG of the boats in SailGP? In the AC, because there's only 2 boats on the course, VMG is often one of the main speeds displayed. In the AC, its about combining speed over the ground with tactics and VMG towards the mark. The modes of the boats become important, staying in phase with the wind shifts, and the ability of one boat to employ better tactics than the other.

Subtleties are key to the Americas Cup where SailGP is all about speed, chaos and carnage. Its basic and "dumbed down" because of the SailGP target audience.

In the AC, the pre start maneuvers are far more exciting in the AC, the push and shove, who leads back and who follows, where in SailGP its all about picking a lane and time and distance to the start.

For Me, the key factors of SailGP are far too based in reality TV than real yacht racing. Its go fast, seat of the pants, chaos and carnage, extreme racing. Its not interesting, its fascinating, and its (for lack of a better word) intelligent.

VMG isn't important in SailGP, subtleties are replaced with chaos, boat speeds are converted to Kph FFS! 

Its extreme, its fast, its chaos, its epic, but its reality TV, its not yacht racing. 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, bigrpowr said:

but you are still here! get the fuck on if you don't like it.

Fuck you. Ill post where i want. Plenty of haters bag the AC for weeks on end, including you, yet they stay around.

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8 hours ago, Forourselves said:

New control system, new rudders, new wings, new just about everything, after 1 season. Just go to the SailGP YT channel. Indepth video and discussion on new wings, new control systems etc.

You mean the commercial funding model? Lol like TNZ are the only commercially funded sailing team in the world! 
The British were and are being criticised by pretty much everyone including a lot of the UK! The amount of funding they had - even they said themselves, there are no excuses this time. In the team video Meet the team - Giovanni Belgrano said exactly that. They have everything they need. They are a second generation team with the funding, ghe experience and the people to win the cup so there are no excuses.

As for the NZ SailGP team being a lost cause, hahaha famous last words! Ill remember to quote you on this at the end of the season and watch you back track and say “I didn’t say that” lol

 

I don’t think you can call me out for saying a load of shot, get a response then completely go off at a tangent but hey you did so that on you.

and yeah I said they may come back and win races but the Team NZ effort WAS a lost cause. Shit preparation by a team that got there late and a skipper that thought it would be easy based on Ben getting the results he did in his first event 
 

it was a shit show by them and they got the result they deserved. 

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1 hour ago, EYESAILOR said:

I am thoroughly tired of this "sore loser" conspiracy theory as to why the SailGP was founded.

Sure, sail GP was a project that crew naturally out of the AC . But I think it was perceived  as an opportunity to create a foiling grand prix circuit unhindered by the constraints of the ded of gift and an event where the design was 80% of the battle.  They liked the 50s and wanted to build a OD around them. I think it has been great. Lets not be churlish when someone funds an event like this.

Any one of these boats could have been in the final: AUS GBR and FR.

ESP= Was in the final half way through the final of the 5 qualifier races

USA - But for the collision with Japan

Japan - But for the collision with USA

NZ - They were showing pace towards the end, and one just knows that they will be in the final before this is over.

The only boat which looked like it was not going to get there was Denmark.

So a series where 7 /8 of competitors were vying closely for the final slot is exciting in my book.

 

Fine. As long as there is consistency. EB has done the same thing in the TF35, so if we’re gonna be consistent, then SailGP fans should praise EB for doing the same thing. 

 

5 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

I don’t think you can call me out for saying a load of shot, get a response then completely go off at a tangent but hey you did so that on you.

and yeah I said they may come back and win races but the Team NZ effort WAS a lost cause. Shit preparation by a team that got there late and a skipper that thought it would be easy based on Ben getting the results he did in his first event 
 

it was a shit show by them and they got the result they deserved. 

I think i can because you did.

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3 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Fine. As long as there is consistency. EB has done the same thing in the TF35, so if we’re gonna be consistent, then SailGP fans should praise EB for doing the same thing. 

 

I think i can because you did.

Just seen you finally admit you did watch it all.  Why the back track? You were lying all those times you said you wouldn’t watch or support the team? I guess so.. 
 

well done for telling the truth finally though.  however saying they had zero practice? That’s another lie. Not as much as they wanted but hey they could have arrived sooner like the Danes did..

it’s a 12 step program, admitting you have a problem is the first step. Now for  the others ;-) 

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7 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Just seen you finally admit you did watch it all.  Why the back track? You were lying all those times you said you wouldn’t watch or support the team? I guess so.. 
 

well done for telling the truth finally though.  however saying they had zero practice? That’s another lie. Not as much as they wanted but hey they could have arrived sooner like the Danes did..

it’s a 12 step program, admitting you have a problem is the first step. Now for  the others ;-) 

FailGP commoditises sailing.  It is a product now.  Just have a look at the stupid promo material with the skippers posing.  Finger down the throat stuff. 

It's targeted at bogan fuckwits and there is plenty of them out there, great market guys but few serious sailors can be described that way.  But they have been ditched when they started the Km per hour stuff.  It was a Fuck You to the real sailing community.

I recall years ago the first time I heard a Rugby League manager say "I know we have a great product here."  That's when I stopped watching it.

EDIT: It is complete with "Influencers", like those we see here.  That's how fucked it is.

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14 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Just seen you finally admit you did watch it all.  Why the back track? You were lying all those times you said you wouldn’t watch or support the team? I guess so.. 
 

well done for telling the truth finally though.  however saying they had zero practice? That’s another lie. Not as much as they wanted but hey they could have arrived sooner like the Danes did..

it’s a 12 step program, admitting you have a problem is the first step. Now for  the others ;-) 

No, i just wanted to see what all fuss was about. Its like watching a trainwreck, you know you shouldnt be watching but you cant help but be curious.

its bush league stuff compared to the A+ quality, well oiled machine that the AC is. The boats are crap. Fast, but still cant turn the corners without splashing down. The management is ridiculous. No training time that makes the boats and crews look like amateurs to the point where they have to do tv interviews claiming to be the best sailor in the world! Winning a one design toy cat competition doesnt make you the best in the world, winning the most prestigious trophy does.

Like I said, its boat racing for dummies, which is probably why you watch it. 

I dont follow it, nor will I. Id rather watch something that requires intelligence to follow, but go ahead, enjoy your reality TV boat racing for dummies tv show. Im sure you catch The Batchelor and American Idol afterward too lol
 

 

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4 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

A lot of people are bitching about the TV Production during the Bermuda SailGP which I don't understand. Can you imagine how difficult it is to do umpiring, commentating, graphics all from across the pond in London? It is not easy! Sure it isn't to the Standard of 2019 but it isn't very bad either.

I tip my hat to the TV Production Crew pulling it off given the circumstances!

I suspect the on the water coverage is a little bit hindered by the covid with less cameraman etc to cover it than is normal.

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4 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

I tip my hat to the TV Production Crew pulling it off given the circumstances!

So what's the pay like in the 'influencer' job these days?

Any positions vacant?

 

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4 hours ago, Randro said:

The sailors are paid actors.  The entire event is more like a traveling circus than sailing as we know it.

That they can make a career out of it is a good thing but everything has a cost.  The cost to sailing with this is the passion is gone.  I'm an Australian but I can't relate with the Australian team, they are just another boat.

As a spectacle is it ok, as yachting?  Nuh, they appear to be performing monkeys and all the media posing, arm folding and pouting for the camera demeans it.

But then this is what happens when rich people commercialise what was otherwise a great sport ... to get even richer!

While I agree with the arm folding and pouting and the silly walk towards the camera all masked up being fairly dumb the rest of it is fantastic to watch even for non sailors. It is racing in its purest form in a way the AC is not. This is a test of sailing skills and talent full stop. What more could you wish for. Now if they could get a spinnaker on those things it would be even better. (Note to four skin etc, I know it cant be done or the Kiwis would have done it)

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22 minutes ago, dullers said:

This is a test of sailing skills and talent full stop.

Bullshit.  It's reality TV.

Carefully staged so that one team does not dominate.  Too much money invested to watch Slingers win every event.

If you don't see that then you are the one with the problem that would affect other aspects of your life.  I feel for you.

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16 minutes ago, Randro said:

Bullshit.  It's reality TV.

Carefully staged so that one team does not dominate.  Too much money invested to watch Slingers win every event.

If you don't see that then you are the one with the problem that would affect other aspects of your life.  I feel for you.

Can you please elaborate on the problems in my life I will have if I dont accept that it is a staged event and the results are pre ordained? I must admit my life was ruined when I found out that the American Wrestling Association was fixed. I often wondered why Ainslie Hulk Hogan was given that name. Slingers has not won much since Hulk the Ainslie Hogan has joined.

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So are there any more 'influencer' positions going in your outfit?

How many accounts will I have to manage?

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59 minutes ago, dullers said:

While I agree with the arm folding and pouting and the silly walk towards the camera all masked up being fairly dumb the rest of it is fantastic to watch even for non sailors. It is racing in its purest form in a way the AC is not. This is a test of sailing skills and talent full stop. What more could you wish for. Now if they could get a spinnaker on those things it would be even better. (Note to four skin etc, I know it cant be done or the Kiwis would have done it)

Lol they couldn’t have done much worse, lack of spiny was likely next in his complaints list. 

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3 minutes ago, Randro said:

So are there any more 'influencer' positions going in your outfit?

How many accounts will I have to manage?

To get the position you have to show influence and I have seen no sign of it. That is most probably why you wont get the job. 30 accounts by the way.

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39 minutes ago, Randro said:

Bullshit.  It's reality TV.

Carefully staged so that one team does not dominate.  Too much money invested to watch Slingers win every event.

If you don't see that then you are the one with the problem that would affect other aspects of your life.  I feel for you.

It was all Nathan last year with Skingsby winning against form at the end of the year. 
Ben arrived and he won both events he entered. 
 

how is that scripted to stop it being boring with slings you winning everything (when he wasn’t) 

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1 minute ago, JALhazmat said:

Lol they couldn’t have done much worse, lack of spiny was likely next in his complaints list. 

Do you think he/she/it/they will change their minds about the event if PB wins something?

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1 minute ago, JALhazmat said:

It was all Nathan last year with Skingsby winning against form at the end of the year. 
Ben arrived and he won both events he entered. 
 

how is that scripted to stop it being boring with slings you winning everything (when he wasn’t) 

Randro lives in a basement in the outback.....

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2 hours ago, Forourselves said:

No, i just wanted to see what all fuss was about. Its like watching a trainwreck, you know you shouldnt be watching but you cant help but be curious.

its bush league stuff compared to the A+ quality, well oiled machine that the AC is. The boats are crap. Fast, but still cant turn the corners without splashing down. The management is ridiculous. No training time that makes the boats and crews look like amateurs to the point where they have to do tv interviews claiming to be the best sailor in the world! Winning a one design toy cat competition doesnt make you the best in the world, winning the most prestigious trophy does.

Like I said, its boat racing for dummies, which is probably why you watch it. 

I dont follow it, nor will I. Id rather watch something that requires intelligence to follow, but go ahead, enjoy your reality TV boat racing for dummies tv show. Im sure you catch The Batchelor and American Idol afterward too lol
 

 

So that’s confirmed you won’t be watching any more Sail GP events?  Even is blank firing Pete has a massive follow the dot comeback? 

sure :lol:

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2 minutes ago, dullers said:

Do you think he/she/it/they will change their minds about the event if PB wins something?

No, even if he does he has gone so deep on slagging it all off as shit it’s just going make him look like a pillock and demean anything Pete does, which in the grand scheme of things is entertaining for the rest of us 

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1 minute ago, JALhazmat said:

So that’s confirmed you won’t be watching any more Sail GP events?  Even is blank firing Pete has a massive follow the dot comeback? 

sure :lol:

Spithill must be shit too then huh? Funny how the two guys that contested the biggest trophy in the sport are shit but the guys that can't even make it to the big game are the best!

At least we all know you think Jimmy Spithill is shit and the USA SailGP team are a lost cause.

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1 minute ago, JALhazmat said:

No, even if he does he has gone so deep on slagging it all off as shit it’s just going make him look like a pillock and demean anything Pete does, which in the grand scheme of things is entertaining for the rest of us 

Nah Pete is a champion. But even champions have to get paid. The difference between Pete and Blair and the guys at the top of SailGP, his results speak for themselves, and they attract sponsors. Those other guys are still relying on Larry's attention span lol

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For "The best sailor in the world" right now, the guy sure can't manage to convince sponsors/ backers that he's worth anything in the "Pinnacle" world of the AC.

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1 minute ago, JALhazmat said:

No, even if he does he has gone so deep on slagging it all off as shit it’s just going make him look like a pillock and demean anything Pete does, which in the grand scheme of things is entertaining for the rest of us 

You would think rays of joy would emanate from his golden orbs after winning the AC and glow benignly on sailgb because PB had appeared in Godlike radiancy in Bermuda. I mean Fourskin could follow the Sail GP race course and point out historic bits of water where NZ won the cup. He could point out that at the second mark PB did the worlds best jibe etc in 2017. I mean PB has returned to the 2017 battlefield. 

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5 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Spithill must be shit too then huh? Funny how the two guys that contested the biggest trophy in the sport are shit but the guys that can't even make it to the big game are the best!

At least we all know you think Jimmy Spithill is shit and the USA SailGP team are a lost cause.

I did guess you were about 9 years old but your comprehension is more teenagy. You could try and say the same thing in a different way and try and get a laugh.

I do like you though.

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6 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Nah Pete is a champion. But even champions have to get paid. The difference between Pete and Blair and the guys at the top of SailGP, his results speak for themselves, and they attract sponsors. Those other guys are still relying on Larry's attention span lol

You let loose with both barrels of your airsoft gun there......

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Just now, dullers said:

You would think rays of joy would emanate from his golden orbs after winning the AC and glow benignly on sailgb because PB had appeared in Godlike radiancy in Bermuda. I mean Fourskin could follow the Sail GP race course and point out historic bits of water where NZ won the cup. He could point out that at the second mark PB did the worlds best jibe etc in 2017. I mean PB has returned to the 2017 battlefield. 

Why? Bermuda isn't the only place NZ has won the Cup. They've already said they find winning in Auckland a bigger achievement than Bermuda.

 

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3 minutes ago, dullers said:

You let loose with both barrels of your airsoft gun there......

You know, its very rude to butt into a conversation that doesn't involve you...

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11 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

You know, its very rude to butt into a conversation that doesn't involve you...

It is and I most humbly apologise.

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Wuss: "Now Pete we need you to be cool and stay at the back of the fleet for the first few events."

Pete: "Mmmm yeah ... why?"

Wuss:  "Well lazza needs the guys from the AC to look shit against 'his boyz'.  When you have become one of us, you will finish better.   Just business OK?  "

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40 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

It was all Nathan last year with Skingsby winning against form at the end of the year. 
Ben arrived and he won both events he entered. 
 

how is that scripted ...

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

It was all Nathan last year with Skingsby winning against form at the end of the year. 
Ben arrived and he won both events he entered. 
 

how is that scripted to stop it being boring with slings you winning everything (when he wasn’t) 

Maybe if Slingsby gets beaten by Ainslie again we’ll see him put that stupid little unicycle on the back of his boat again and he can shout “Im the best sailor in tbe world” while riding his bike while the world laughs at him again.

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

Spithill must be shit too then huh? Funny how the two guys that contested the biggest trophy in the sport are shit but the guys that can't even make it to the big game are the best!

At least we all know you think Jimmy Spithill is shit and the USA SailGP team are a lost cause.

aww precious are we clutching at straws again?

you are sounding like DG sailing fanny the way you are going on.  

honestly happy for GB, OZ USA and France to do well, common component? British crew.

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40 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Maybe if Slingsby gets beaten by Ainslie again we’ll see him put that stupid little unicycle on the back of his boat again and he can shout “Im the best sailor in tbe world” while riding his bike while the world laughs at him again.

you see, now that is funny

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

For "The best sailor in the world" right now, the guy sure can't manage to convince sponsors/ backers that he's worth anything in the "Pinnacle" world of the AC.

you mean Pete, two AC wins and he has to put his own foundation on his boat cos no one else will?

that's like asking for a reference and getting your mum to fill it out.

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6 hours ago, SimonN said:

Some of you are truly amusing.

Let's start with a simple truth. This event was probably the best televised sailing I have ever seen. Sure, there is room for improvement but the racing was epic, there were real p[lace changes and you could see how one mistake can be costly.

It seems to me that so much of the back story is to create something. Don't forget that many of these guys are really good friends. Slingers and Ben have a great friendship from their Oracle days, Slingers and Nathan have been very close since early teens (add Goobs to that group). And so on. Even among the crews, the same applies. There may be a load of sledging and back chat, but it's among friends and they don't take anything said very seriously.

Despite what Slingers would like people to believe, he got well and truly owned by Ben. Day 1 and Ben had issues, but on day 2, he got 1/2/1 to Slingers 2/1/2. Consider that if the NZers hadn't stuffed up, there is a good chance Ben would have ended up with 3 bullets, and that his recover in race 5 was maybe one of the better performances of the weekend, I personally believe Ben deserved his win and yet again, showed that he is the man to beat and is probably not only the best sailor currently, but maybe even the Goat.

As for those who were saying that Ben was too old.........

The performance of Pete and Blair was disappointing, with some mitigating circumstances not having enough practice and maybe boat issues. However, compare it with Ben's first outing in SalGP and I think they will be a bit disappointed with their result.

Props to the French. Leigh has really helped them step up. The more competitive teams the better.

Which brings me to the Spanish. Phil is such a cowboy:D. It's not just in SailGP. He sails like that in everything. He pipped me at the finish in a race at the last A Class worlds, taking out the 2 boats ahead of us in the process leading to him being lobbed (and me getting my place back:D) and he sailed like that all week. But he is happy to buy the beers after and gets away with it. He also works very, very hard and earns the success he has. However, his "drive it like he stole it" attitude is both the reason why he did so well but was ultimately what cost Spain a place in the final race.

I think Jimmy did pretty well considering he hadn't sail with his team before and maybe didn't even know some of them. 

Teams will improve as the season goes on. We will see lots of place changes in future racing. It's going to be a great SailGP season, better than I thought it would be. The only question I have is will anybody be able to consistently beat Ben because as we saw this week, and as some on here have said, he is old, over the hill and shouldn't be competing at this level:P

Great summary.

 

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18 hours ago, erdb said:

Are there any rules that prevent SailGP teams from building their own surrogate cat/wing for training?

If teams start to take this series seriously, time spent training between races could be a major factor.

Well of course it's a major fucking factor. Was the last season. The training schedule is not transparent, is a kind of handicap, and is administered by a fairy with a happy magic wand ffs.

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5 hours ago, Forourselves said:

In all seriousness, as much of an AC fan that I am, I watched the Bermuda SailGP event, and I did so with an open mind, and I tried as hard as I could to be objective about the racing.

So, the Kiwi team - uncharacteristically off the pace. To be expected with a brand new, untested boat with no sailing hours on their own boat. We all know how fast they learn, and they'll be top 4 easily by the the time the Lyttleton event comes around. 

The racing itself - everyone goes on about how epic it is to have 8 boats in the race, anb The chasing pack is just that, the chasing pack. Its like the Peloton in cycling. People only care about the first and second place competitors. Maybe 3rd, but the rest just become background noise. Even the commentary focuses far more on Slingsby and Outteridge, and they hardly mention Sehested and Robertson. 

So I come back to the fact that, in a race, the only positions that really matter, are the front positions, so the other positions and the other action becomes redundant. The commentators talk about a maneuver on a boat that isn't even in the picture, so who really cares about a maneuver thats not seen?

For me, its about the top two, the others are background, so I only need the two boats on the course, which is why I prefer boat on boat, one on one in a tactical race combined with speed. The problem with SailGP doing that is the courses are setup for multiple boats, so the course looks far too big and the boats far too small on the SailGP course by themselves.

Where is the VMG of the boats in SailGP? In the AC, because there's only 2 boats on the course, VMG is often one of the main speeds displayed. In the AC, its about combining speed over the ground with tactics and VMG towards the mark. The modes of the boats become important, staying in phase with the wind shifts, and the ability of one boat to employ better tactics than the other.

Subtleties are key to the Americas Cup where SailGP is all about speed, chaos and carnage. Its basic and "dumbed down" because of the SailGP target audience.

In the AC, the pre start maneuvers are far more exciting in the AC, the push and shove, who leads back and who follows, where in SailGP its all about picking a lane and time and distance to the start.

For Me, the key factors of SailGP are far too based in reality TV than real yacht racing. Its go fast, seat of the pants, chaos and carnage, extreme racing. Its not interesting, its fascinating, and its (for lack of a better word) intelligent.

VMG isn't important in SailGP, subtleties are replaced with chaos, boat speeds are converted to Kph FFS! 

Its extreme, its fast, its chaos, its epic, but its reality TV, its not yacht racing. 

 

 

Factually inaccurate.  There were many place changes and how you mitigated results (getting from 6th to 4th or from 4th to 2nd ) really mattered .  The only boat with top 2 finishes all week was NO.   There were a lot more than 2 boats involved in every race and in the event.

 In Race 5 Ainslie was 4th at start of leg 3 and finished 2nd overall.  He would not have made final otherwise.

Fleet racing is a distinct skill from match racing. Yes it has more going on, which makes it harder for you to follow and I understand that.  But for those with the bandwidth....its fun to watch.

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Isn't the SailGP "training simulator" in the UK? I seem to recall from some pod casts that the teams with bigger budgets are able to get more time on it than others

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6 hours ago, SimonN said:

Some of you are truly amusing.

 

Despite what Slingers would like people to believe, he got well and truly owned by Ben. Day 1 and Ben had issues, but on day 2, he got 1/2/1 to Slingers 2/1/2. Consider that if the NZers hadn't stuffed up, there is a good chance Ben would have ended up with 3 bullets, and that his recover in race 5 was maybe one of the better performances of the weekend, I personally believe Ben deserved his win and yet again, showed that he is the man to beat and is probably not only the best sailor currently, but maybe even the Goat.

 

No taking anything away from Ben's awesome talent.

However I think that Sling was not "owned".  Day 1 speaks for itself. Day 2 Sling was solid #2nd in race 1 and solid 1st in race 2.   Ben kind of scrambled for his result and benefitted from mistakes of others. 

I think Ben and Sling will have very close racing with others in the mix. Lot of mutual resect between them and friendship. My money on Ben since the outset but less certain than I used to be.

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2 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

Ben kind of scrambled for his result and benefitted from mistakes of others.

He wasn't the only one....The Kiwis finished higher than they probably should have.......

Another little gripe over the coverage. Those little data tags on the mast tops sometimes obscure the boats, especially in long shots when the boats are tightly grouped. They looked a mess. They should ditch them.

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9 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

Isn't the SailGP "training simulator" in the UK? I seem to recall from some pod casts that the teams with bigger budgets are able to get more time on it than others

Any links to info?  With SailGP's emphasis on "equality" of the platform, I would have thought they'd make sure each team had equal time?

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7 minutes ago, MaxHugen said:

Any links to info?  With SailGP's emphasis on "equality" of the platform, I would have thought they'd make sure each team had equal time?

Well in season 1 they limited training on the water unequally to try to equalise the teams, e.g. restricting Australia, and the Kiwi's only got 1 day on the water ahead of Bermuda so its not out of character, heres an article from 20178 confirming its location at the time, but with a quote from Dylan saying "limited time" which does imply access was controlled, but it is so far just my memory of an interview where someone said they had to choose between spending money on the simulator or doing other training.

https://www.adventure52.com/features/sailing/hands-on-with-the-incredible-sailgp-simulator/

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13 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

No taking anything away from Ben's awesome talent.

However I think that Sling was not "owned".  Day 1 speaks for itself. Day 2 Sling was solid #2nd in race 1 and solid 1st in race 2.   Ben kind of scrambled for his result and benefitted from mistakes of others. 

I think Ben and Sling will have very close racing with others in the mix. Lot of mutual resect between them and friendship. My money on Ben since the outset but less certain than I used to be.

Yeah, that's the problem with "sudden death" finals. They are both top sailors, and I expect to see several other teams also winning individual races before long.

I'm backing TS simply coz it's the Aussie team. Pity he didn't keep his thoughts to himself though... to plagiarize a well known saying:

"It's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're a cock, than to open it and prove it."

Meet AussieCAD:

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:D

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8 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

^^^ Nice model Max...

Thanks.  Not the best first choice for anyone who wants to learn CAD though, I'm still struggling but slowly moving forward.

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7 hours ago, Forourselves said:

In all seriousness, as much of an AC fan that I am, I watched the Bermuda SailGP event, and I did so with an open mind, and I tried as hard as I could to be objective about the racing.

So, the Kiwi team - uncharacteristically off the pace. To be expected with a brand new, untested boat with no sailing hours on their own boat. We all know how fast they learn, and they'll be top 4 easily by the the time the Lyttleton event comes around. 

The racing itself - everyone goes on about how epic it is to have 8 boats in the race, and it is, on the first leg. After that it just becomes chaos, and I find myself focusing on who is leading and who is in second, and whether the leader can stay in front, or whether the 2nd place boat can catch the leader. The chasing pack is just that, the chasing pack. Its like the Peloton in cycling. People only care about the first and second place competitors. Maybe 3rd, but the rest just become background noise. Even the commentary focuses far more on Slingsby and Outteridge, and they hardly mention Sehested and Robertson. 

So I come back to the fact that, in a race, the only positions that really matter, are the front positions, so the other positions and the other action becomes redundant. The commentators talk about a maneuver on a boat that isn't even in the picture, so who really cares about a maneuver thats not seen?

For me, its about the top two, the others are background, so I only need the two boats on the course, which is why I prefer boat on boat, one on one in a tactical race combined with speed. The problem with SailGP doing that is the courses are setup for multiple boats, so the course looks far too big and the boats far too small on the SailGP course by themselves.

Where is the VMG of the boats in SailGP? In the AC, because there's only 2 boats on the course, VMG is often one of the main speeds displayed. In the AC, its about combining speed over the ground with tactics and VMG towards the mark. The modes of the boats become important, staying in phase with the wind shifts, and the ability of one boat to employ better tactics than the other.

Subtleties are key to the Americas Cup where SailGP is all about speed, chaos and carnage. Its basic and "dumbed down" because of the SailGP target audience.

In the AC, the pre start maneuvers are far more exciting in the AC, the push and shove, who leads back and who follows, where in SailGP its all about picking a lane and time and distance to the start.

For Me, the key factors of SailGP are far too based in reality TV than real yacht racing. Its go fast, seat of the pants, chaos and carnage, extreme racing. Its not interesting, its fascinating, and its (for lack of a better word) intelligent.

VMG isn't important in SailGP, subtleties are replaced with chaos, boat speeds are converted to Kph FFS! 

Its extreme, its fast, its chaos, its epic, but its reality TV, its not yacht racing. 

 

 

There are valid observations in here about "the pack" and attention on the leaders. Given that, makes me wonder why (for a TV viewer at least) an AC Prada Cup or CSS with a lot of entrants would be so desirable. 

I mean, they did I think one fleet race in 36, not a lot of boats. 8 might not be good or might not be done. With 2 by 2 races, you get more days is all. If you can be there it's onr thing, I never have, but to view....hmmmm. 

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39 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Given that, makes me wonder why (for a TV viewer at least) an AC Prada Cup or CSS with a lot of entrants would be so desirable.

Because the CSS would typically still a round robin format, so more competitors means more racing on a day, each team might race the same number of races across a weekend but there'd be more to broadcast and more to watch

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13 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Much better and much more passes than the AC even considering it's a fleet. However I would like more training in order to show the full potential of the boat.

Why "even"? Shouldn't especially this "even" be deleted, as one could expect more passes when more boats are racing?

As for your second statement, I agree wholeheartedly, not only to show the full potential of the boat (and avoid that even experienced sailors look like beginners), but also to allow less experienced sailors to hone their skills.

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1 hour ago, Rennmaus said:

Why "even"? Shouldn't especially this "even" be deleted, as one could expect more passes when more boats are racing?

As for your second statement, I agree wholeheartedly, not only to show the full potential of the boat (and avoid that even experienced sailors look like beginners), but also to allow less experienced sailors to hone their skills.

Having only enjoyed watching past races, I hadn't realised that the teams get just a few days prior to each series for training, and then just maybe 2 hrs of racing over 2 days.

That's quite a serious issue I think, for the reasons you state. Especially as this is a development class.  For any serious development, you'd need the sailing team with plenty of time on water and simulators, as well as the design team.   :huh:

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I really enjoyed SailGP so this is not intended as criticism but lets create a wish list for things we would like to see upgraded.

This is for those of us who enjoyed it and think it provides exciting competition between some of the best sailors in the world, not a list for those who think it is crap and a circus etc.

I will start the ball rolling:

1. I found some of the overhead angles shots difficult to see who was lifted headed because we were looking down the course vs overhead . Still fun shots but more overheads so we can see the overtakes develop due to pressure and headings.  Perhaps with the ladder lines a bit more.

2. Include a bit more of the prestart. We tend to arrive in the starting area with only 20-30 seconds to go. I would love to see them position themselves and when they pull the trigger.

3. A few more of the comms.  

4. Speed in knots....simply because thats what im used to but I expect i will gradually pick up knts/hour

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In season 1, the SailGP shore team set up each boat the same way, including rig, foil, and rudder settings. If they are doing the same thing for season 2, teams have little or no discretion in the way the boats are set up.

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12 hours ago, MaxHugen said:

No offense, but I refuse to discuss anything in kph.  SailGP can get knotted for this nonsense, and I've told them so. 

Given the right conditions I'll bet they will crack 55 knots in a "sustained" run.

Lots of people have told them so in this weekend's YouTube chat.
 

10 hours ago, Randro said:

FailGP commoditises sailing.  It is a product now.  Just have a look at the stupid promo material with the skippers posing.  Finger down the throat stuff. 

It's targeted at bogan fuckwits and there is plenty of them out there, great market guys but few serious sailors can be described that way.  But they have been ditched when they started the Km per hour stuff.  It was a Fuck You to the real sailing community.

I recall years ago the first time I heard a Rugby League manager say "I know we have a great product here."  That's when I stopped watching it.

EDIT: It is complete with "Influencers", like those we see here.  That's how fucked it is.

The product thing started come to the foreground with the ACWS for AC34.

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7 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

you mean Pete, two AC wins and he has to put his own foundation on his boat cos no one else will?

that's like asking for a reference and getting your mum to fill it out.

You mean he has his own foundation? Thats more than any of these other guys can do I mean Outteridge and Slingsby can't get anyone to back them.

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7 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Factually inaccurate.  There were many place changes and how you mitigated results (getting from 6th to 4th or from 4th to 2nd ) really mattered .  The only boat with top 2 finishes all week was NO.   There were a lot more than 2 boats involved in every race and in the event.

 In Race 5 Ainslie was 4th at start of leg 3 and finished 2nd overall.  He would not have made final otherwise.

Fleet racing is a distinct skill from match racing. Yes it has more going on, which makes it harder for you to follow and I understand that.  But for those with the bandwidth....its fun to watch.

No one really cares about a boat that goes from 6th to 4th or 4th to second, because those positions don't matter. To win a race you have to get to first place, not 2nd, not 4th.

The only two positions that really matter are the first and second positions, the rest is just fun.

there is no "Super Sunday in the AC, its about consistency, being the best team or improving at consistent rate. SailGP brings luck into the regatta format.

You can have a shit regatta, make the final and win one race and you win the regatta. Nah that doesn't appeal to me.

Like you say, Ben sailed like shit and won the regatta. Thats not how the AC works. To win, you have to be consistent. There is no consistency in SailGP.

The other thing is, in the AC, you can appreciate the boats and teams for what they are. You can appreciate the intricacies of sailing the boats, as well as the boats themselves, the setups of the boats and why they're set up the way they are. The communication, the choreography of the crew work, the disturbed air from the lead boat and how it affects the boat behind, the entries and exits of maneuvers and how clean they are. Which boat has better VMG, Its just far more interesting. There's more aspects of the racing to consider than just flat out speed.

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29 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

You mean he has his own foundation? Thats more than any of these other guys can do I mean Outteridge and Slingsby can't get anyone to back them.

they don't have 2 AC winners medals and they are not whale whisperers..

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18 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

No one really cares about a boat that goes from 6th to 4th or 4th to second, because those positions don't matter. To win a race you have to get to first place, not 2nd, not 4th.

The only two positions that really matter are the first and second positions, the rest is just fun.

there is no "Super Sunday in the AC, its about consistency, being the best team or improving at consistent rate. SailGP brings luck into the regatta format.

You can have a shit regatta, make the final and win one race and you win the regatta. Nah that doesn't appeal to me.

Like you say, Ben sailed like shit and won the regatta. Thats not how the AC works. To win, you have to be consistent. There is no consistency in SailGP.

The other thing is, in the AC, you can appreciate the boats and teams for what they are. You can appreciate the intricacies of sailing the boats, as well as the boats themselves, the setups of the boats and why they're set up the way they are. The communication, the choreography of the crew work, the disturbed air from the lead boat and how it affects the boat behind, the entries and exits of maneuvers and how clean they are. Which boat has better VMG, Its just far more interesting. There's more aspects of the racing to consider than just flat out speed.

to win the AC you take a gun to a knife fight.  you don't chance it on the people driving.

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3 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

I really enjoyed SailGP so this is not intended as criticism but lets create a wish list for things we would like to see upgraded.

This is for those of us who enjoyed it and think it provides exciting competition between some of the best sailors in the world, not a list for those who think it is crap and a circus etc.

I will start the ball rolling:

1. I found some of the overhead angles shots difficult to see who was lifted headed because we were looking down the course vs overhead . Still fun shots but more overheads so we can see the overtakes develop due to pressure and headings.  Perhaps with the ladder lines a bit more.

2. Include a bit more of the prestart. We tend to arrive in the starting area with only 20-30 seconds to go. I would love to see them position themselves and when they pull the trigger.

3. A few more of the comms.  

4. Speed in knots....simply because thats what im used to but I expect i will gradually pick up knts/hour

1) re one it might be an issue of having limited camera teams etc because of covid. Maybe more camera angles when the restrictions stop in 10 years time.

2) I agree

3) See 1, again might be to do with limited operators etc. I did hear "fuck" a lot but could not tell which boat unless said with an English accent. 

4) I agree knots. They have to get the sailors watching this let alone the general public.  It could be that having stuff in kms is more attractive as it is a higher number and near to 100.....If that is their reasoning I think it is wrong. I know German marine forecasts are in metres per second but no German teams present and it may explain why their most famous ships are known for sinking and being sunk by ships that used imperial measurements. It points to a certain lack of feeling about the sea.

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57 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

No one really cares about a boat that goes from 6th to 4th or 4th to second, because those positions don't matter. To win a race you have to get to first place, not 2nd, not 4th.

The only two positions that really matter are the first and second positions, the rest is just fun.

there is no "Super Sunday in the AC, its about consistency, being the best team or improving at consistent rate. SailGP brings luck into the regatta format.

You can have a shit regatta, make the final and win one race and you win the regatta. Nah that doesn't appeal to me.

Like you say, Ben sailed like shit and won the regatta. Thats not how the AC works. To win, you have to be consistent. There is no consistency in SailGP.

The other thing is, in the AC, you can appreciate the boats and teams for what they are. You can appreciate the intricacies of sailing the boats, as well as the boats themselves, the setups of the boats and why they're set up the way they are. The communication, the choreography of the crew work, the disturbed air from the lead boat and how it affects the boat behind, the entries and exits of maneuvers and how clean they are. Which boat has better VMG, Its just far more interesting. There's more aspects of the racing to consider than just flat out speed.

It does not appeal to you because your rock star delivered twinkle twinkle little star rather than "We are the Champions".

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12 minutes ago, dullers said:

1) re one it might be an issue of having limited camera teams etc because of covid. Maybe more camera angles when the restrictions stop in 10 years time.

2) I agree

3) See 1, again might be to do with limited operators etc. I did hear "fuck" a lot but could not tell which boat unless said with an English accent. 

4) I agree knots. They have to get the sailors watching this let alone the general public.  It could be that having stuff in kms is more attractive as it is a higher number and near to 100.....If that is their reasoning I think it is wrong. I know German marine forecasts are in metres per second but no German teams present and it may explain why their most famous ships are known for sinking and being sunk by ships that used imperial measurements. It points to a certain lack of feeling about the sea.

Anything else on your wish list

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1 minute ago, EYESAILOR said:

Anything else on your wish list

Ok i will have to have a think on that. It is easier to answer your points raised. Now you are making me think....

 

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

No one really cares about a boat that goes from 4th to second, .......

The only two positions that really matter are the first and second positions,

 

 

Understood. Thx for clarifying your view.  

I like both events. You like one. Thats fine.

FWIW, small point of detail , coming 2nd means nothing in the AC round robins. It matters a lot in the SailGP qualifying rounds, so arguably tactics, intricate moves are more important. In the CSS, its just getting out in front and staying there. You only have one boat to cover. In fleet racing, you cannot just cover, until towards the end.

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7 minutes ago, dullers said:

Ok i will have to have a think on that. It is easier to answer your points raised. Now you are making me think....

 

Sorry about that...Im sure it hurts.

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58 minutes ago, dullers said:

It does not appeal to you because your rock star delivered twinkle twinkle little star rather than "We are the Champions".

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Simply the best!

There is no second. Second is nothing.
 

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3 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

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Simply the best!

There is no second. Second is nothing.
 

5th is even worse in sail gp. Will you be using this picture in 30 years time when you become part of China?