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4 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

Less than 5k watching on YT. That has to be a bit concerning to data obsessed Russell. Listening to that podcast with Russ, clearly the corporate model is slick and a credit to him, I just think the product doesn't match the hype - and I'm a sailing fan. Whether it's going to sustain the interest of non sailors - whom they're targeting - is doubtful in my opinion. They probably need some breezy venues, and ensuing carnage to pep it up a bit.....

No worries, the official numbers will add up to 5B miraculously. China cannot watch YT, so probably 1B alone comes from a unique China video channel.

The racing today was a bit underwhelming, but that just shows that SGP has the same issues as any other regatta, good and bad days, interesting and uninteresting days.

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7 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

The racing today was a bit underwhelming,

The podcast had suggestions that the teams were going to have the sort of financial value that we see in football - or approaching in that direction. Utterly fanciful imo. The whole event is emotionally flat for me - maybe because there's nothing really at stake? I get more excited watching my cat bully the dog.

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1 hour ago, Horn Rock said:

Less than 5k watching on YT. That has to be a bit concerning to data obsessed Russell. Listening to that podcast with Russ, clearly the corporate model is slick and a credit to him, I just think the product doesn't match the hype - and I'm a sailing fan. Whether it's going to sustain the interest of non sailors - whom they're targeting - is doubtful in my opinion. They probably need some breezy venues, and ensuing carnage to pep it up a bit.....

For what it's worth, I was watching on our satellite TV. 

 

Bit hard to find the overnight leaderboard on the web site. Sure Freddie's abacus will be on song tomorrow

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Regarding the Great Britain SailGP Team:

Having only an Average Helmsman (Paul Goodison) compared to a World Class Helmsman (Ben Ainslie) does make a HUGE DIFFERENCE when racing in SailGP.

Goodison messed up 7 of the 8 Starts over 3 Days in Taranto & Plymouth!!!

They need Ainslie back ASAP!

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3 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

They've dropped Stevie from the commentary - which is good. Sad to see Freddy talking up the excitement, and all the other stupid talking points.

Dropped or Coaching team GB in Tokyo… ;-) 

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7 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

Regarding the Great Britain SailGP Team:

Having only an Average Helmsman (Paul Goodison) compared to a World Class Helmsman (Ben Ainslie) does make a HUGE DIFFERENCE when racing in SailGP.

Goodison messed up 7 of the 8 Starts over 3 Days in Taranto & Plymouth!!!

They need Ainslie back ASAP!

In Race 3 today Goodison beat everyone off the line and to Mark 1, impressive. 

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3 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

In Race 3 today Goodison beat everyone off the line and to Mark 1, impressive. 

Yeah but in Italy + Races 1 & 2 here in Plymouth he messed it up.

I guess the silver lining for the Brits is that there are only 3 Points between 4th and 8th! If they can finish 4th regardless if Australia wins it they would still top the Season Leaderboard heading into Aarhus!

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1 hour ago, shebeen said:

For what it's worth, I was watching on our satellite TV. 

It's probably on FTA in various places, as well as the app. I wasn't implying the YT numbers were the viewing sum total, just that they seemed pretty low. AC36 was getting 30k+ on YT.

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2 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

The podcast had suggestions that the teams were going to have the sort of financial value that we see in football - or approaching in that direction. Utterly fanciful imo. The whole event is emotionally flat for me - maybe because there's nothing really at stake? I get more excited watching my cat bully the dog.

Of Course there is nothing at stake at the moment. We haven't even completed the 3rd of 9 Events. Overall Season Leaderboard will remain tight!

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On 7/15/2021 at 11:44 PM, dg_sailingfan said:

Regarding Paul Goodison:

I would be very surprised if he doesn't sail for INEOS TEAM UK in AC37. I don't think it was a coincidence that Ben asked him as Replacement for the SailGP Events in Taranto and Plymouth!

I agree that it was not a coincidence.

But I think all the chat about Goody as a replacement helm for Ben in the AC have been put to rest. It aint happening.

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3 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

It's probably on FTA in various places, as well as the app. I wasn't implying the YT numbers were the viewing sum total, just that they seemed pretty low. AC36 was getting 30k+ on YT.

Two bald men fighting over a comb.

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21 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

The Great Britain SailGP Team picked up two Penalty Points and therefore got relegated to last place with only 8 Points. For what?

Announcers said a collision.

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2 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

It's probably on FTA in various places, as well as the app. I wasn't implying the YT numbers were the viewing sum total, just that they seemed pretty low. AC36 was getting 30k+ on YT.

And TNZ magically turned 30000 into a billion viewers. 5k seems decent in comparison. 150 million for SGP? 

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52 minutes ago, porthos said:

Announcers said a collision.

These new Umpires are so "Inconsistent" in their Rulings it's a joke tbh! The Brits were already penalised during the Race. Why put even more Penalties on them!

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17 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

These new Umpires are so "Inconsistent" in their Rulings it's a joke tbh! The Brits were already penalised during the Race. Why put even more Penalties on them!

Simple. If you break a rule, you get penalized. Is there some part of that you aren’t clear about?

The umpires are the same ones that have been doing this since day one. They are primarily the same umpires that do the AC. This ain’t their first rodeo.

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51 minutes ago, accnick said:

Simple. If you break a rule, you get penalized. Is there some part of that you aren’t clear about?

The umpires are the same ones that have been doing this since day one. They are primarily the same umpires that do the AC. This ain’t their first rodeo.

You are wrong! SailGP has a new Umpire for Season 2. They had Richard Slater for Season 1 but he is gone. Now they have a nobody as Umpire!

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This is the new Head Umpire for SailGP in Season 2. What a tremendous CLOWN! He has never done Sailing in his whole life and gets to make these "inconsistent" Decision. That guy needs to be fired ASAP!!!

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15 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

This is the new Head Umpire for SailGP in Season 2. What a tremendous CLOWN! He has never done Sailing in his whole life and gets to make these "inconsistent" Decision. That guy needs to be fired ASAP!!!

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Craig was one of the umpires last SailGP season, and was one of the AC umpires in 2017 and 2021.

Go on the World Sailing website and read his credentials before you shoot off your mouth about things you know nothing about.

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I thought i had posted this but anyway we took a 3 hour drive to Plymouth to watch this and worth it all the way. We were to left of Stingrays vlog.

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49 minutes ago, accnick said:

Craig was one of the umpires last SailGP season, and was one of the AC umpires in 2017 and 2021.

Go on the World Sailing website and read his credentials before you shoot off your mouth about things you know nothing about.

But he was never the Head Umpire! Richard Slater was the Main Umpire for AC35 & AC36!

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3 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

But he was never the Head Umpire! Richard Slater was the Main Umpire for AC35 & AC36!

Richard Slater us now rules advisor to the AUS Olympic team.

The position of Chief Umpire is not a life tenure. Craig was chosen for the job because of his experience in SailGP, the AC, and other events. The umpires are a team , just like a sailing crew is a team.

Your implication that the current Chief Umpire lacks either experience or competence is absurd on its face. Craig is one of the best and most experienced in the game.

You seem to lack any understanding of when and why penalties are given.

Do you race sailboats, or are you just a fanboy of some type?

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7 minutes ago, crashtack said:

What the fuck is a black flag?? Phil is a barge-starting madman but he absolutely didn't deserve to get thrown out of that last race for a windward-leeward that barely affected anyone. Wack shit.

Yep, surprised me a little too. But, like with the officiating discussion above, I imagine it comes down more to the rules and the UmpireApp than judgement and discretion by the umps. JS did definitely alter course to avoid collision. It’s debatable if he could have born off sooner and still won the start without an OCS, was really close. I think the rules are heavily stacked towards avoiding collisions. JS made an interesting comment from onboard at the end of that Race 3, something like ‘Phil had it coming.’ 

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3 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

Yep, surprised me a little too. But, like with the officiating discussion above, I imagine it comes down more to the rules and the UmpireApp than judgement and discretion by the umps. JS did definitely alter course to avoid collision. It debatable if he could have done sooner and still won the start without an OCS, was really close. I think the rules are heavily stacked towards avoiding collisions. JS made an interesting comment from onboard at the end of that Race 3, something like ‘Phil had it coming.’ 

It was a potentially reckless  action that could have resulted in major damage if Jimmy had not altered course.

Phil’s timing of the start was impeccable. The problem is that another boat had the right to be where he put his boat, and had to alter course to avoid a collision. As windward boat, he had the obligation to keep clear, and he did not.

Most sailors have been in this position at one time or another, if they are aggressive on the start line. You take the chance, you run the risk.

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A black flag for barging...??? No one ever barges, right!?

JS had to head down to fire off the line anyway, although he did have to go down further than his proper course... but a black flag?
 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Liquid said:

A black flag for barging...??? No one ever barges, right!?

JS had to head down to fire off the line anyway, although he did have to go down further than his proper course... but a black flag?
 

 

 

It was too harsh but with @accnickconsistenly defending that LOUSY Umpire anything could happen!

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3 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

It was too harsh but with @accnickconsistenly defending that LOUSY Umpire anything could happen!

You think anything I say impacts on a SailGP umpire decision?

I just happen to have worked on both sides with all these umpires at one time or another, either as a competitor or as part of race management in SailGP and the AC.

You may not always like or agree with their decisions, but as competitors, we live with them. If they aren’t good, they don’t get hired —and re-hired—for racing at this level.

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30 minutes ago, accnick said:

It was a potentially reckless  action that could have resulted in major damage if Jimmy had not altered course.

You can say that about almost any penalty in these boats.

Fundamentally reaching starts are ridiculous because they setup situations like this. Any boat that does perfect time and distance can be taken out by an early boat sailing the line.

What next? Any boat trying a port pin end start in a big fleet will get DSQ'd?

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13 minutes ago, sfigone said:

You can say that about almost any penalty in these boats.

Fundamentally reaching starts are ridiculous because they setup situations like this. Any boat that does perfect time and distance can be taken out by an early boat sailing the line.

What next? Any boat trying a port pin end start in a big fleet will get DSQ'd?

The umpires hold de-briefs after racing and go over the decisions with all the competitors and the team rules advisors and/or coaches, so the competitors generally understand how the umpires will treat various infractions.

This does not happen in a vacuum.

We may well hear more about this particular decision.

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I watched on the SailGP website dashboard. Better info, manual choosing of cameras etc. 

Guessing that doesn’t count to YT numbers (anyone know?). I wonder how many others watch that way…I only discovered that option today…

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3 hours ago, Liquid said:

A black flag for barging...??? No one ever barges, right!?

JS had to head down to fire off the line anyway, although he did have to go down further than his proper course... but a black flag?

In half a second JR would have been ~5m ahead... or JS 5m further windward... or....

In which case we'd probably be calling it a brilliant ballsy start.

If umpires are going to start handing out black flags for such fast boats in such tight situations as this, what's next?  A penalty to the back of the fleet should have been sufficient. 

The starting area seems ridiculously small for this many boats of this size and speed.

Just my two bobs worth.  :rolleyes:

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After 2 bullets… Did the Australian boat get told to have a shocker?

RC to TS… “Back of the fleet next race, we need the leaderboard to be closer, you can’t be so far ahead”

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1 hour ago, Rushman said:

After 2 bullets… Did the Australian boat get told to have a shocker?

 

I doubt it.....but that's the thing with this series, Russell might say there's no secrets, but the way it's run and the selection of the teams, it's completely opaque. If you buy a franchise (team), do you have total control of team selection? The fine print of those contracts would be interesting.

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1 hour ago, Horn Rock said:

I doubt it.....but that's the thing with this series, Russell might say there's no secrets, but the way it's run and the selection of the teams, it's completely opaque. If you buy a franchise (team), do you have total control of team selection? The fine print of those contracts would be interesting.

The practice time, the fill in crew....

That's why the original title of the thread is so compelling.

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9 hours ago, accnick said:

Richard Slater us now rules advisor to the AUS Olympic team.

The position of Chief Umpire is not a life tenure. Craig was chosen for the job because of his experience in SailGP, the AC, and other events. The umpires are a team , just like a sailing crew is a team.

Your implication that the current Chief Umpire lacks either experience or competence is absurd on its face. Craig is one of the best and most experienced in the game.

You seem to lack any understanding of when and why penalties are given.

Do you race sailboats, or are you just a fanboy of some type?

Wasn't/Isn't Craig Race Director or similar title with the WMRT?

Having watched the start a couple of times if USA hadn't altered there would have been significant contact. Classic case of barging and he tried it in each race - Race 3 he took room where he wasn't entitled to it.

Any comments regarding to the penalties given should really only be made having read the NoR & SI's and I don't know what they say. It's a bit like calling out a cop for stopping someone for speeding without knowing what the actual speed limit was. 

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22 minutes ago, random. said:

Firefox

I use to use FF but got bored with it crashing all the time, and being so leaky.

24 minutes ago, random. said:

FailGP shits me anyway.

It's half an hour late at night with fuck all else on. Plus I get to whinge about it on here.......

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19 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

Less than 5k watching on YT. That has to be a bit concerning to data obsessed Russell. Listening to that podcast with Russ, clearly the corporate model is slick and a credit to him, I just think the product doesn't match the hype - and I'm a sailing fan. Whether it's going to sustain the interest of non sailors - whom they're targeting - is doubtful in my opinion. They probably need some breezy venues, and ensuing carnage to pep it up a bit.....

They need to target sailors properly before the rest but sailing is too specialised to get a really big audience. I hope i am wrong. As a sport to watch form the shore it is a dog and Plymouth is one of the best places to watch it as it has a high sea edge and is close to the course. I was there yesterday and most people did not have a clue on what was happening. Its biggest problem is one simple item that is needed in all competition. Who is in the lead? You cant tell from the shore unless you are a bit of a yachty and even then it is not always clear.

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21 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

Good to see the home team going well.

They did not join much of the pre race practice either. Just parked up next to the tender with people on board with tools.

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19 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

The podcast had suggestions that the teams were going to have the sort of financial value that we see in football - or approaching in that direction. Utterly fanciful imo. The whole event is emotionally flat for me - maybe because there's nothing really at stake? I get more excited watching my cat bully the dog.

Yes but can you get your feline to do it 3 times in an afternoon say starting at 1400 and then get it to do the same again the following day at least twice? I find cats and pussies fairly unpredictable and whimsical.  I can see how you could get your dog in place and on time.

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9 minutes ago, dullers said:

sailing is too specialised to get a really big audience.

I agree. The idea that this will attract the masses of great unwashed is delusional. Sailing has always been a niche sport, and GP isn't going to change that. Larry's indulging Russell because he can afford to.

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12 hours ago, crashtack said:

What the fuck is a black flag?? Phil is a barge-starting madman but he absolutely didn't deserve to get thrown out of that last race for a windward-leeward that barely affected anyone. Wack shit.

He's done it all season, high risk, high reward. This one was very close, sneaked past DEN but USA had to move to avoid. The consequences are huge if the right of way boat doesn't move enough. Could total 2+ boats and people could be seriously injured or even die.

Thing is if you keep on doing it and either you win the start or get told to go back of the fleet. If the gate closes last second and you luff up and around the buoy, tack, gybe and start you are miles behind. The risk needs to be higher.

 

Therefore I would not be surprised if skippers were told barging in with no rights will be a black flag offence. The fact that PR was the one to do it next is not surprising.

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Seemed like lots of boats with rudder issues this weekend.

The black flag definitely seemed like a bit of a cumulative award. Maybe another boat doing the same thing just gets a penalty, but Phil has been doing that stuff all season and the penalties don't seem to be deterring him so the umpires saw an egregious example and decided to send a stronger message.

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14 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Final race. Why does AUS always have  a mechanical of some sort? It's like that foreign object in WWF wrasslin.

From the commentary, it sounded like both AUS and USA had some rudder issues.

I wonder if the changes made to the rudder system - where they now also tilt up for easier onshore storage etc - are causing some jamming at times?

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Maybe everyone else knows this but I didn't. So.

Black flag in SailGP does not mean what it means elsewhere in the sport of sailing (DSQ on OCS). It instead means this:

https://sailgp.com/general/sailgp-penalties/

Dangerous driving: Black flag

The umpires can give an immediate ‘black flag disqualification’ to a team that, while breaking a rule, puts another team at high risk of serious collision or capsize.

In the light of which PR's comments that he might have infringed USA, but only a little bit, so black flag was harsh, make a bit more sense than they would were it a "normal" black flag infringement.

Personally however, I'm fine with serial barging receiving its due reward.

And no, I don't watch motorsport. "Dangerous driving" indeed.

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16 minutes ago, dogwatch said:

Maybe everyone else knows this but I didn't. So.

Black flag in SailGP does not mean what it means elsewhere in the sport of sailing (DSQ on OCS). It instead means this:

https://sailgp.com/general/sailgp-penalties/

Dangerous driving: Black flag

The umpires can give an immediate ‘black flag disqualification’ to a team that, while breaking a rule, puts another team at high risk of serious collision or capsize.

In the light of which PR's comments that he might have infringed USA, but only a little bit, so black flag was harsh, make a bit more sense than they would were it a "normal" black flag infringement.

Personally however, I'm fine with serial barging receiving its due reward.

And no, I don't watch motorsport. "Dangerous driving" indeed.

Yes, it's c/o from motorsports. 

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Massive Comeback by the British Sail GP Team to finish 4th Overall in Plymouth which has huge consequences on the Overall Season Championship.

Yeah, the Aussies won (good for them) but AUS and GBR now top the Season Championship with 22 Points and sit 3 Points clear over the rest of the pack!

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My mistake: AUS & GBR sit only one Point clear of France on the Season Leaderboard BUT 3 Points clear of USA & JPN and 5 Points clear over NZL. I don't think France will be a Championship Contender. 5 Teams are real Contenders: AUS, GBR, USA, JPN and NZL!

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13 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

France is doing amazingly well compared to Season 1. I wouldn't rule them out for the podium. 

Can they keep this up? That's a big Question to me!

Also, can Tom Slingsby finally beat Ben Ainslie in an Event H2H when they both compete?

Some interesting storys as we head to Aarhus next month!

Numbers do not lie: When Ben is driving the Brits have gone 2 - 0 over Slingsby, when he has not they haven't even made the Final.

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

Kiwis smashing it as usual ;-) 

at least they can/will blame the Greek bloke, just a bit awkward when he has posted their best results ;-) 

Is fore dead? Or did he just get tired finally defending the indefensible?

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8 hours ago, pusslicker said:

Is fore dead? Or did he just get tired finally defending the indefensible?

Told ya you're obsessed with me.

Nope, just looking forward to whats actually important, instead of some fake series that doesn't matter.

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

Your posts as empty as the kiwi win column when the A team are on board 

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8-1, 7-3. One Olympic Silver and one Olympic gold. The second tier sailors are left fighting for scraps in SailGP.

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just rewatched the final. my takeaways.

*the timing with the start countdown and the line going red to white is still way off. 

*off the start, US should have been able to bear down onto the AUS team and get to the mark first, they couldn't shift the gear.

*not a clue exactly what the AUS team did wrong on the replays to fall off their foils on that first gybe

*some poor tack/gybe layline decisions by ALL teams allowed the lead to swap a few times more than normal

*AUS team gained downwind on the right side of the course on the 2nd and 3rd time to make up for their whoopsie

there's a lot of could have should have would have here, but my underlying feeling is the Aussie boat was just sailing faster in these conditions, that made their tactics look better.

$ bonus point - I'm prepared to give it a go still, but the speed in km/h is not working for me yet (and I live in the world that doesn't still do mph and other imperial sillyness)

 

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They really need to stop with these mechanical problems.  Season 1 the excuse was the boats were modified but still a bit different, etc. They had a year to get those things sorted. But consolidating shore crews seems not to have the same outcome as dedicated crews. Cheaper but more variability in races. 

 

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12 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Told ya you're obsessed with me.

Nope, just looking forward to whats actually important, instead of some fake series that doesn't matter.

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I appreciate the olympics is a big deal for many in sailing, hope all sailors can have a decent regatta all things consider. I do think sailing is fortunate, probably the easiest sport to social distance and i reckon most of them haven't even gone to the village.

Thank you for not hijacking this thread over the regatta period -  it was refreshing to only have relevant posts. I'm dead serious when saying that, no sarcasm at all. please do the same for denmark sailgp coming up.

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12 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Told ya you're obsessed with me.

Nope, just looking forward to whats actually important, instead of some fake series that doesn't matter.

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Grown men playing with children's toys? At least that one dude lost the mullet.

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

8-1, 7-3. One Olympic Silver and one Olympic gold. The second tier sailors are left fighting for scraps in SailGP.

 

1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

8-1, 7-3. One Olympic Silver and one Olympic gold. The second tier sailors are left fighting for scraps in SailGP.

That Olympic medal haul isn’t exactly much to crow about given the numbers in other teams. 
 

two AC wins in vastly superior boats? Yeah will give you that 

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