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1 minute ago, Horn Rock said:

I use to use FF but got bored with it crashing all the time, and being so leaky.

Get a Mac.

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I had to stop and take a photo of this today (not like I'm pushed for time during lockdown ). Looks like my youngest likes SailGP. Perhaps the boats are just easier to build with lego than the foiling

I've never been annoyed this much watching otherwise excellent racing or in fact any sailing ever.  The sailors and sailing are awesome, boats are good for trashing around short courses - how can

Some of you are truly amusing. Let's start with a simple truth. This event was probably the best televised sailing I have ever seen. Sure, there is room for improvement but the racing was epic, t

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19 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

Less than 5k watching on YT. That has to be a bit concerning to data obsessed Russell. Listening to that podcast with Russ, clearly the corporate model is slick and a credit to him, I just think the product doesn't match the hype - and I'm a sailing fan. Whether it's going to sustain the interest of non sailors - whom they're targeting - is doubtful in my opinion. They probably need some breezy venues, and ensuing carnage to pep it up a bit.....

They need to target sailors properly before the rest but sailing is too specialised to get a really big audience. I hope i am wrong. As a sport to watch form the shore it is a dog and Plymouth is one of the best places to watch it as it has a high sea edge and is close to the course. I was there yesterday and most people did not have a clue on what was happening. Its biggest problem is one simple item that is needed in all competition. Who is in the lead? You cant tell from the shore unless you are a bit of a yachty and even then it is not always clear.

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21 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

Good to see the home team going well.

They did not join much of the pre race practice either. Just parked up next to the tender with people on board with tools.

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19 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

The podcast had suggestions that the teams were going to have the sort of financial value that we see in football - or approaching in that direction. Utterly fanciful imo. The whole event is emotionally flat for me - maybe because there's nothing really at stake? I get more excited watching my cat bully the dog.

Yes but can you get your feline to do it 3 times in an afternoon say starting at 1400 and then get it to do the same again the following day at least twice? I find cats and pussies fairly unpredictable and whimsical.  I can see how you could get your dog in place and on time.

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9 minutes ago, dullers said:

sailing is too specialised to get a really big audience.

I agree. The idea that this will attract the masses of great unwashed is delusional. Sailing has always been a niche sport, and GP isn't going to change that. Larry's indulging Russell because he can afford to.

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12 hours ago, crashtack said:

What the fuck is a black flag?? Phil is a barge-starting madman but he absolutely didn't deserve to get thrown out of that last race for a windward-leeward that barely affected anyone. Wack shit.

He's done it all season, high risk, high reward. This one was very close, sneaked past DEN but USA had to move to avoid. The consequences are huge if the right of way boat doesn't move enough. Could total 2+ boats and people could be seriously injured or even die.

Thing is if you keep on doing it and either you win the start or get told to go back of the fleet. If the gate closes last second and you luff up and around the buoy, tack, gybe and start you are miles behind. The risk needs to be higher.

 

Therefore I would not be surprised if skippers were told barging in with no rights will be a black flag offence. The fact that PR was the one to do it next is not surprising.

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Seemed like lots of boats with rudder issues this weekend.

The black flag definitely seemed like a bit of a cumulative award. Maybe another boat doing the same thing just gets a penalty, but Phil has been doing that stuff all season and the penalties don't seem to be deterring him so the umpires saw an egregious example and decided to send a stronger message.

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14 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Final race. Why does AUS always have  a mechanical of some sort? It's like that foreign object in WWF wrasslin.

From the commentary, it sounded like both AUS and USA had some rudder issues.

I wonder if the changes made to the rudder system - where they now also tilt up for easier onshore storage etc - are causing some jamming at times?

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Maybe everyone else knows this but I didn't. So.

Black flag in SailGP does not mean what it means elsewhere in the sport of sailing (DSQ on OCS). It instead means this:

https://sailgp.com/general/sailgp-penalties/

Dangerous driving: Black flag

The umpires can give an immediate ‘black flag disqualification’ to a team that, while breaking a rule, puts another team at high risk of serious collision or capsize.

In the light of which PR's comments that he might have infringed USA, but only a little bit, so black flag was harsh, make a bit more sense than they would were it a "normal" black flag infringement.

Personally however, I'm fine with serial barging receiving its due reward.

And no, I don't watch motorsport. "Dangerous driving" indeed.

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16 minutes ago, dogwatch said:

Maybe everyone else knows this but I didn't. So.

Black flag in SailGP does not mean what it means elsewhere in the sport of sailing (DSQ on OCS). It instead means this:

https://sailgp.com/general/sailgp-penalties/

Dangerous driving: Black flag

The umpires can give an immediate ‘black flag disqualification’ to a team that, while breaking a rule, puts another team at high risk of serious collision or capsize.

In the light of which PR's comments that he might have infringed USA, but only a little bit, so black flag was harsh, make a bit more sense than they would were it a "normal" black flag infringement.

Personally however, I'm fine with serial barging receiving its due reward.

And no, I don't watch motorsport. "Dangerous driving" indeed.

Yes, it's c/o from motorsports. 

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Massive Comeback by the British Sail GP Team to finish 4th Overall in Plymouth which has huge consequences on the Overall Season Championship.

Yeah, the Aussies won (good for them) but AUS and GBR now top the Season Championship with 22 Points and sit 3 Points clear over the rest of the pack!

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My mistake: AUS & GBR sit only one Point clear of France on the Season Leaderboard BUT 3 Points clear of USA & JPN and 5 Points clear over NZL. I don't think France will be a Championship Contender. 5 Teams are real Contenders: AUS, GBR, USA, JPN and NZL!

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13 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

France is doing amazingly well compared to Season 1. I wouldn't rule them out for the podium. 

Can they keep this up? That's a big Question to me!

Also, can Tom Slingsby finally beat Ben Ainslie in an Event H2H when they both compete?

Some interesting storys as we head to Aarhus next month!

Numbers do not lie: When Ben is driving the Brits have gone 2 - 0 over Slingsby, when he has not they haven't even made the Final.

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

Kiwis smashing it as usual ;-) 

at least they can/will blame the Greek bloke, just a bit awkward when he has posted their best results ;-) 

Is fore dead? Or did he just get tired finally defending the indefensible?

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8 hours ago, pusslicker said:

Is fore dead? Or did he just get tired finally defending the indefensible?

Told ya you're obsessed with me.

Nope, just looking forward to whats actually important, instead of some fake series that doesn't matter.

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

Your posts as empty as the kiwi win column when the A team are on board 

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8-1, 7-3. One Olympic Silver and one Olympic gold. The second tier sailors are left fighting for scraps in SailGP.

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just rewatched the final. my takeaways.

*the timing with the start countdown and the line going red to white is still way off. 

*off the start, US should have been able to bear down onto the AUS team and get to the mark first, they couldn't shift the gear.

*not a clue exactly what the AUS team did wrong on the replays to fall off their foils on that first gybe

*some poor tack/gybe layline decisions by ALL teams allowed the lead to swap a few times more than normal

*AUS team gained downwind on the right side of the course on the 2nd and 3rd time to make up for their whoopsie

there's a lot of could have should have would have here, but my underlying feeling is the Aussie boat was just sailing faster in these conditions, that made their tactics look better.

$ bonus point - I'm prepared to give it a go still, but the speed in km/h is not working for me yet (and I live in the world that doesn't still do mph and other imperial sillyness)

 

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They really need to stop with these mechanical problems.  Season 1 the excuse was the boats were modified but still a bit different, etc. They had a year to get those things sorted. But consolidating shore crews seems not to have the same outcome as dedicated crews. Cheaper but more variability in races. 

 

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12 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Told ya you're obsessed with me.

Nope, just looking forward to whats actually important, instead of some fake series that doesn't matter.

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I appreciate the olympics is a big deal for many in sailing, hope all sailors can have a decent regatta all things consider. I do think sailing is fortunate, probably the easiest sport to social distance and i reckon most of them haven't even gone to the village.

Thank you for not hijacking this thread over the regatta period -  it was refreshing to only have relevant posts. I'm dead serious when saying that, no sarcasm at all. please do the same for denmark sailgp coming up.

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12 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Told ya you're obsessed with me.

Nope, just looking forward to whats actually important, instead of some fake series that doesn't matter.

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Grown men playing with children's toys? At least that one dude lost the mullet.

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

8-1, 7-3. One Olympic Silver and one Olympic gold. The second tier sailors are left fighting for scraps in SailGP.

 

1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

8-1, 7-3. One Olympic Silver and one Olympic gold. The second tier sailors are left fighting for scraps in SailGP.

That Olympic medal haul isn’t exactly much to crow about given the numbers in other teams. 
 

two AC wins in vastly superior boats? Yeah will give you that 

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

 

That Olympic medal haul isn’t exactly much to crow about given the numbers in other teams. 
 

two AC wins in vastly superior boats? Yeah will give you that 

Tell that to Russell Coutts! Infact tell that to any Olympic Gold medal winning athlete! Only an idiot like you would disrespect the achievement of winning an Olympic Gold Medal. Some athletes strive their whole lives for a gold medal at the Olympics and dont ever achieve it! 
The Olympics is the pinnacle of amateur sailing. The AC and Round the world race are the pinnacle of professional sailing. SailGP is Larrys little plaything. 

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1 hour ago, Kate short for Bob said:

You have how many?  Add to the total World regatta wins as well.  

Ben Ainslie won "4 Consecutive Gold Medals", a Record that will almost certainly never be eclipsed in Olympic Sailing EVER! That Record will stand for the Ages just like Rafa Nadal winning Roland Garros 13 Times or Novak Djokovic winning in Melbourne 9 Times.

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11 hours ago, pusslicker said:

Grown men playing with children's toys? At least that one dude lost the mullet.

So now the Olympic classes are "children's toys"? lol man you people really are haters! lol

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10 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

You have how many?  Add to the total World regatta wins as well.  

Personally fuck all.. and that wasn’t the point 4 was making as he has none, and while we are at it neither do you. 

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The penalty given to Japan at the start of race 5 was a bit strange to me.

Japan was windward of Australia and had to keep clear.  Ahead of them was Denmark going slowly, but as both Australia and Japan were clear astern of her, they both had to keep clear and thus Denmark was an obstruction to them both.

Australia was sailing to go below Denmark, so surely they were obliged to give Japan room to do the same?  As it turned out, Denmark started moving and Australia slowed, so they didn't pass to windward of them until a bit later (when Denmark was forced to go around).

So if Australia get's the penalty for calling Japan up, then surely they needed to then also sail above Denmark? Ie they can't push Japan up and then dive down to go the other side of Denmark?

So it was a bit of a soft penalty in my mind, but then it was compounded by the the stupid "relative to" rule, as Australia then had a shocking first leg and Japan could not do their penalty until Australia got going.   They really need to find some way to penalize a boat that is not relative to other boats.  Something like they must do 2 tacks or gybes withing 30s.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Tell that to Russell Coutts! Infact tell that to any Olympic Gold medal winning athlete! Only an idiot like you would disrespect the achievement of winning an Olympic Gold Medal. Some athletes strive their whole lives for a gold medal at the Olympics and dont ever achieve it! 
The Olympics is the pinnacle of amateur sailing. The AC and Round the world race are the pinnacle of professional sailing. SailGP is Larrys little plaything. 

Oh bless.. when compared to the other skippers and team in the AC and the F50s a single gold and single silver doesn’t compare to the Olympic achievements of others. 
 

Of course an Olympic medal is a bloody amazing thing but when you’ve only got one of them and others have multiple it puts it in perspective how far and how much more they have to achieve in the Olympic arena to be on the same level is someone like Ben for example.

I note you didn’t try and dispute the superior boat AC wins, well done ;-) 

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1 minute ago, JALhazmat said:

Personally fuck all.. and that wasn’t the point 4 was making as he has none, and while we are at it neither do you. 

The point is, the Kiwi's have decided the Olympics are more important than SailGP, so obviously the Olympics matter more to them than SailGP does. Pete and Blair, Josh Junior, Andy Maloney, and Erica Dawson are all in Tokyo.

Thats the point I made, and thats the point that is true. The point you continuously make is you're nothing but a hater.

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1 minute ago, JALhazmat said:

Oh bless.. when compared to the other skippers and team in the AC and the F50s a single gold and single silver doesn’t compare to the Olympic achievements of others. 
 

Of course an Olympic medal is a bloody amazing thing but when you’ve only got one of them and others have multiple it puts it in perspective how far and how much more they have to achieve in the Olympic arena to be on the same level is someone like Ben for example.

I note you didn’t try and dispute the superior boat AC wins, well done ;-) 

Thats absolute bullshit and you know it. Olympic Gold and silver medals are one of THE highest achievements in any sports persons career, if not THE highest achievement. Whether it be a single gold medal or multiple, it doesn't matter. 

Of course Ainslie's olympic achievements are the stuff of legend, but that doesn't make Russell Coutts or Peter Burlings achievements any less great because they only have one Gold medal. 

Yes the superior boat wins the AC, we all know that, but it takes a champion team to put together the ENTIRE package from design team, to build team, to sailing team.

A team of champions doesn't always make you a champion team. 

Ainslie knows that better than anyone.

 

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11 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

Fishing is good this morning ;-) 

Back to the trolling huh? I always knew you were a troll.

Problem is, you're not any good at it, because you can dish it out but you can't take it and get angry and throw tanties like a 3 year old when someone trolls you back. Seen it many times in this thread lol

 

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44 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

So if one medal is the highest achievement  and multiple medals don’t matter why is Pete going back to get another? 
 

maybe they do matter? 

Because he can.

And because, as he has said multiple times, he is proud to be Kiwi and loves representing New Zealand on the world stage.

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42 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

So if one medal is the highest achievement  and multiple medals don’t matter why is Pete going back to get another? 
 

maybe they do matter? 

Of course they matter - more than SailGP. 

Although Ainslie did say he would trade his 5 Olympic medals for one AC win.

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1 hour ago, sfigone said:

The penalty given to Japan at the start of race 5 was a bit strange to me.

Japan was windward of Australia and had to keep clear.  Ahead of them was Denmark going slowly, but as both Australia and Japan were clear astern of her, they both had to keep clear and thus Denmark was an obstruction to them both.

Australia was sailing to go below Denmark, so surely they were obliged to give Japan room to do the same?  As it turned out, Denmark started moving and Australia slowed, so they didn't pass to windward of them until a bit later (when Denmark was forced to go around).

So if Australia get's the penalty for calling Japan up, then surely they needed to then also sail above Denmark? Ie they can't push Japan up and then dive down to go the other side of Denmark?

So it was a bit of a soft penalty in my mind, but then it was compounded by the the stupid "relative to" rule, as Australia then had a shocking first leg and Japan could not do their penalty until Australia got going.   They really need to find some way to penalize a boat that is not relative to other boats.  Something like they must do 2 tacks or gybes withing 30s.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

agreed, the boat on boat aus vs jpn penalty was probably correct, but there were three boats in play here so there's more context.

in the end Denmark were too early too, and tacked around.

this relative penalty is always going to have a weird consequence, sometimes you get a penalty and it's already cleared by the time it's awarded. this one was a doozy and then jpn just rolled the dice from the back - impressive that den/ aus still got to 3rd/4th from there

 

as in most sailing, the start is massive. but it just seems to complex and random with the reach on a rather short line.

I'd like to see a bigger line, more space would allow the boats to do time on distance and less blocking. a power reach to first mark is pretty awesome with a few boats going max speed jockeying for the mark rounding (or would that just be too dangerous?)

 

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1 hour ago, JALhazmat said:

Fishing is good this morning ;-) 

58 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Back to the trolling huh? I always knew you were a troll.

Problem is, you're not any good at it, because you can dish it out but you can't take it and get angry and throw tanties like a 3 year old when someone trolls you back. Seen it many times in this thread lol

 

here's a thread just for you two. go bananas there

https://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/226163-the-echo-chamber/

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13 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Here's one for you. Now STFU

 

for some reason this is the active thread on the series. You're the one trolling this thread, with the highest comments count in the thread, but all about how it is a waste of time. That doesn't really add up, but we get the point. Not sure why @JALhazmattakes the bait, but ignoring both of you still doesn't filter out everything.

If your endgame is to ruin this thread for those who actually want to talk about SailGP, then that's pretty sad. 

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1 minute ago, shebeen said:

for some reason this is the active thread on the series. You're the one trolling this thread, with the highest comments count in the thread, but all about how it is a waste of time. That doesn't really add up, but we get the point. Not sure why @JALhazmattakes the bait, but ignoring both of you still doesn't filter out everything.

If your endgame is to ruin this thread for those who actually want to talk about SailGP, then that's pretty sad. 

Yet the other thread is the one that is actually in the right forum for this topic (not that that matters to SailGP fans)

 

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4 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

No i actually dont go there... at all. For that reason. That it is the correct forum to be discussing that topic.

Obviously this is the proper thread as it has the most traffic. Why don't you fuck off to the other one.

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26 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

No i actually dont go there... at all. For that reason. That it is the correct forum to be discussing that topic.

How do you live with the stress? I mean- the fact that this thread exists in the "wrong forum", must be like having to watch someone knowingly back into your car every morning whilst flipping you the bird.

Give it up, for your sake. The thread is here, people are talking about it here. You can shit it on it from either place or not, and it's not going to change the fact that people are discussing SailGP in the Americas Cup forum.

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On 7/20/2021 at 6:43 AM, NeedAClew said:

They really need to stop with these mechanical problems.  Season 1 the excuse was the boats were modified but still a bit different, etc. They had a year to get those things sorted. But consolidating shore crews seems not to have the same outcome as dedicated crews. Cheaper but more variability in races. 

 

It worked OK for the, VOR.

Just shit SailGP, F50's I guess. ;-)

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5 hours ago, atwinda said:

How do you live with the stress? I mean- the fact that this thread exists in the "wrong forum", must be like having to watch someone knowingly back into your car every morning whilst flipping you the bird.

Give it up, for your sake. The thread is here, people are talking about it here. You can shit it on it from either place or not, and it's not going to change the fact that people are discussing SailGP in the Americas Cup forum.

I dont care. I really dont. You people seem to care more about where Im posting than I care about this thread being here. I dont know how many people have bitched and moaned about wanting me to go somewhere else, but when I tell them its actually them that are actually in the wrong place, all they say is “So what, we want to talk about it here” fine. Whats good for you is good for me too.

You can post here. Go ahead, knock yourself out. Im not going to stop you, im not even going to moan about it, and I’ll do the same thing. Like you said, the thread is here, and people are talking about it here. Well, Im here too, and i will continue to post what ever the f**k I wanna post, even if it has nothing to do with SailGP. Because SailGP has nothing to do with the Americas Cup. Okay?

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5 hours ago, pusslicker said:

Obviously this is the proper thread as it has the most traffic. Why don't you fuck off to the other one.

Its the correct thread in the wrong forum. like Ive always said.

If you wanna stay here, fine. But dont tell me to fuck off when its you that is in the wrong place. 

So why dont you pick your lip up off the ground, wipe your eyes and quit crying like a little girl.

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

Its the correct thread in the wrong forum. like Ive always said.

If you wanna stay here, fine. But dont tell me to fuck off when its you that is in the wrong place. 

So why dont you pick your lip up off the ground, wipe your eyes and quit crying like a little girl.

So where does the "Where are they now?" thread belong? Or any of the other threads about AC boats? You obviously get off on being a spiteful little prick.

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1 hour ago, pusslicker said:

So where does the "Where are they now?" thread belong? Or any of the other threads about AC boats? You obviously get off on being a spiteful little prick.

In the AC forum because theyre about AC boats... really? 

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3 hours ago, pusslicker said:

You obviously get off on being a spiteful little prick.

See what I mean, you proved my point - AGAIN. You like to think you're good at trolling people, but then get all shitty when you get it back. If you're gonna dish it out, be prepared to take it.

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7 hours ago, Forourselves said:

I dont care. I really dont. You people seem to care more about where Im posting than I care about this thread being here. I dont know how many people have bitched and moaned about wanting me to go somewhere else, but when I tell them its actually them that are actually in the wrong place, all they say is “So what, we want to talk about it here” fine. Whats good for you is good for me too.

You can post here. Go ahead, knock yourself out. Im not going to stop you, im not even going to moan about it, and I’ll do the same thing. Like you said, the thread is here, and people are talking about it here. Well, Im here too, and i will continue to post what ever the f**k I wanna post, even if it has nothing to do with SailGP. Because SailGP has nothing to do with the Americas Cup. Okay?

I'm confused, why are you the top poster in this thread again

a)sailgp is crap

b)this sailgp thread is in the AC subforum

c)I enjoy trolling people on the internet and it is shooting fish in a barrel here

d)something else

 

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Why is SailGP considered in the wrong forum when the class was derived from the AC50 and many of the players are involved in the AC?  Seems like an appropriate place for this discussion.  

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12 hours ago, Forourselves said:

In the AC forum because theyre about AC boats... really? 

Again, how are the AC50's of SGP not AC boats? Do any of the 12's in the where are they now measure as 12's? 

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10 hours ago, Forourselves said:

See what I mean, you proved my point - AGAIN. You like to think you're good at trolling people, but then get all shitty when you get it back. If you're gonna dish it out, be prepared to take it.

How is this shitty? It's true. Why else would you keep posting in here?

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6 hours ago, yoyo said:

Why is SailGP considered in the wrong forum when the class was derived from the AC50 and many of the players are involved in the AC?  Seems like an appropriate place for this discussion.  

So shall we start an Ocean Race thread in here too? Bruce Farrs office designed the VO65, and there are many AC sailors involved in that too. What about a Transpac thread as the foiling tri marans are derived from AC technology. The foiling GC32’s were derived from the AC72. AC sailors were and are involved in that. How about an Olympics thread? JFK sailed an AC boat, she we talk American Politics in here too? Where does it stop? You let one topic in, ya gotta let them all in.

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2 hours ago, pusslicker said:

Again, how are the AC50's of SGP not AC boats? Do any of the 12's in the where are they now measure as 12's? 

Have you ever seen an F50 race in an Americas Cup? No. Its a completely different class. The 12’s are still 12’s no matter how many mods are made to them. You can build a boat thats 12 metres long, but that doesn’t make it a 12 metre class. The AC75 is 75 feet, so is the IACC but that doesnt make an AC75 an IACC yacht. The PAC52’s aren’t TP52’s, though they were derived from them, that doesnt make them eligible for that series. The F50 isnt an AC50, and has NEVER raced in an AC. SailGP is NOT the AC. Got it now?

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10 minutes ago, yoyo said:

Everything in sailing comes from the AC.  Good to know...

Every series takes something from every other series, bit the fact remains, they all have their own discussion forums created for that reason. SailGP is no different. I bet if you start a SailGP thread in the Ocean Racing forum theyll tell you to fuck off.

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19 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Every series takes something from every other series, bit the fact remains, they all have their own discussion forums created for that reason. SailGP is no different. I bet if you start a SailGP thread in the Ocean Racing forum theyll tell you to fuck off.

Why don't you go over there and start one. It would be a much better place for you to post your drivel anyway.

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3 minutes ago, atwinda said:

Why don't you go over there and start one. It would be a much better place for you to post your drivel anyway.

Because Im not here to discuss Ocean Racing just youre not here to discuss the AC, so Why dont you go to the Multihull Forum. You wont go there so Im not going anywhere.

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18 minutes ago, yoyo said:

Also good to know....

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Is it? The fact remains that SailGP is NOT the Americas Cup, the F50’s have NEVER raced an AC therefor this thread is as it has always been, irrelevant to the topic of the forum.

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4 hours ago, pusslicker said:

Again, how are the AC50's of SGP not AC boats? Do any of the 12's in the where are they now measure as 12's? 

There is really NO need to quote 4selves in your post. A good number of us have her on ignore and we prefer not to read her drivel. You should try it. Its a couple of clicks and all of a sudden the thread turns into an interesting thread about SailGP.

Plus it will drive her absolutely batshit if everyone has her on ignore on her favorite thread.

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