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21 minutes ago, crashtack said:

Did we watch the same AC? Some of the best races were in <=8 knots, and there was never (iirc) a day cancelled because of overly strong breeze

I watched every race, under 8 kts they did not have much interest. We never had strong breeze but the wind limits were lowered and the race courses were only allowing flat sea conditions.

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I had to stop and take a photo of this today (not like I'm pushed for time during lockdown ). Looks like my youngest likes SailGP. Perhaps the boats are just easier to build with lego than the foiling

i didnt bag the ac dipshit. quite strangely you identify yourself with that event and you feel like if someone bags on you, that means the event. i thought it was good. you on the other hand must be f

Some of you are truly amusing. Let's start with a simple truth. This event was probably the best televised sailing I have ever seen. Sure, there is room for improvement but the racing was epic, t

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2 hours ago, MaxHugen said:

What, like the Moths?  These originated around 1930!  Look where they've gone.

Like the Moth, the F50 may be one design, but it is also a development class, so we'll see how far they can take this type of design as time goes by.

Moth isn't one design.

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1 hour ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Contrary, the new wing allows them to fly in light wind or and sail in strong conditions, not like the drift fest we had to suffer or the lower max wind speed. We were supposed to see a boat able to sustain the difficult Hauraki gulf conditions, we a boat able to race in a very narrow sweet spot, basically the AC75 can only sail in medium.

Fuck off. We saw Team NZ foiling perfectly in 6-6.5 knots of breeze, performing flawless foiling tacks and gibes. 

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3 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Hmmmm

Burling and Tuke had at least 2 years intense sailing in the 50s in AC 35 in Bermuda. The boats have been tweaked but class is essentially the same.

Agree they need to get used to the tweaks but I’m suprised doing so poorly. 

It's one day they will be back to the top soon very early days. Don't be too quick to judge 

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ok I like them both but as a spectacle the f50 look like a beach cat in comparison. 
the AC isn’t meant to be like any other sailing race so give up trying to make it like other classes. 
an the AC boats make these things look like resort sail boats. That said what Russell and Larry are doing is great for sailing, I wish them great sucess, support them and will watch it all  

and when it comes to etnz funding challenges be advised a bunch of staff have been retained. No doubt more $ are needed but they are well on the way. 
 

 

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7 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

The "UK mob" didn't have the issue of coming back to NZ.  It wasn't clear what the NZ Governments conditions were regarding returning back to NZ.  They only recently made a decision on national sports teams being vaccinated ahead of the general population.

Also don't forget that a number of the NZ crew are juggling an Olympic campaign as well.  Olympic medals still count more than dollars for some.

Nathan seemed able to make the decision ok, he lives in NZ. 

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5 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Reality is, one designs are irrelevant. 

Unless your darling boys are trying to win another medal at the olympics .... you got to stop this is just too easy. :lol: 

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6 hours ago, accnick said:

Interesting weather forecast for Sunday. Winds S 18-24 (knots) early afternoon, veering SW with higher gusts  later.

Small craft advisory.

May see  a test of some new equipment made for that purpose.

Please quote the wind in km/h! 
 

crazy that they are doing so. Alienating the only fans they have (the sailing community) to reach the masses that are too dumb to understand knots. Nuts. 

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1 hour ago, Qman said:

To the post above who said one designs are irrelevant.  WOW, just WOW.  say that to the 215,000 lasers built, or any of the olympic class boats or pretty much any dinghy sailing club in the world that bread and butter is one design racing.  Development and progress is awesome but one design irrelevant, just WOW.

 

For me, that was a response to a troll (or jest) remark about Burling and Tuke being "pretty shit" without a massive boat advantage.

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47 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said:

Jesus that interview with Slingsby "I'm the best sailor in the world" 

GTFO who says that shit 

 

yep that was pretty naff but we are used to that from aussies , (i can say that cause i am australian)

 

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I dont think the NZL result was too surprising. Everyone knows the follow the dot controls on the ETNZ AC50 were very different from Artimis and Oracle which these boats are based upon. 

Compare to Jimmy who is the other AC helm.stepping back in who will be familiar with the set up, plus he's got Paul C-J who has spent a decent amount of time developing the new wing plus Andrew Campbell and Rome Kirby who are also at home in the boat. 

I expect NZL to get a lot better pretty quick, but for sure without the boat speed advantage they have enjoyed in other classes it will be harder fought. 

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@Mozzy Sails I thought your interview with Dylan was interesting, especially the bit about how they "one design"d the wings through restrictive control software, so the kiwi's might not even be able to trim the wing like they would on "their" AC50, thats a whole lot of relearning to do

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2 hours ago, JALhazmat said:

Unless your darling boys are trying to win another medal at the olympics .... you got to stop this is just too easy. :lol: 

Key word being "another"

just like they can only get "another" AC win.

Yep, thats right. 

SailGP is a bit of fun and a paycheck until the 1) The Olympics come around again, and 2) until the AC starts again. 

 

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21 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

Bottom Line: Pete & Blair won the AC two-times because they had a faster boat. Now they have to proof they can win with an equal tool!

Indeed. Six world championships and two Olympic medals not-with-standing.

They sure as hell couldn't get any worse at this stage. Early days though. They are pretty fast learners.

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5 hours ago, crashtack said:

Aside from a few misjudged bottom gate laylines and Denmark's mysterious DNF, I was overall surprised at the lack of major fuck-ups. I was expecting (and half-hoping) for some real carnage given that most teams had very few hours in the boats.

 

The danish TV broadcast interviewed Nicolai Sehested after the races, where he explained that Denmark nosedived and swamped both hulls, as well as breaking the foremost part of their bowsprit with sensors etc., which they didn't have time to properly fix before R2, so in retrospect they should rather have continued than pulling out of R1.

Edit: Just saw this onboard replay of their nosedive on their Instagram, you can see the camera being thrown out of whack.

https://www.instagram.com/p/COD2MmzDnHt/

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1 hour ago, Liquid Assett NZ said:

Jesus that interview with Slingsby "I'm the best sailor in the world" 

GTFO who says that shit 

I have always thought he had an arrogant streak. He acts like a prick on board whenever things don't go his way. Slapping his grinder in Bermuda17 wile having a spaz was the ultimate in cuntiness. SGP is feeding his ego, disrespecting NO and talking himself up is pathetic. I'm afraid the adage that good sailors make good people doesn't apply here. The hype and cheese I've seen so far is cringe worthy, I watch a lot of sports, and SGP have a lot of catching up to do to appear professional. Finally, stadium racing is pointless if the stadium is empty. 2 minute 3 manouvre legs are a joke. The potential is there but lack of practice is killing it for most teams. 

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21 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

 

Bottom Line: Pete & Blair won the AC two-times because they had a faster boat. Now they have to proof they can win with an equal tool!

So the 49er isn't one design now? They've proved 23 times they can win with an equal tool so STFU.

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2 hours ago, Liquid Assett NZ said:

Jesus that interview with Slingsby "I'm the best sailor in the world" 

GTFO who says that shit

In fairness to Slingers, he did clean everyone out, but yeah, a touch of humility wouldn't hurt. I remember watching him in the last laser race at the London Olympics where he won gold. He was brilliant, and utterly ruthless.

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47 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

I have always thought he had an arrogant streak. He acts like a prick on board whenever things don't go his way. Slapping his grinder in Bermuda17 wile having a spaz was the ultimate in cuntiness. SGP is feeding his ego, disrespecting NO and talking himself up is pathetic. I'm afraid the adage that good sailors make good people doesn't apply here. The hype and cheese I've seen so far is cringe worthy, I watch a lot of sports, and SGP have a lot of catching up to do to appear professional. Finally, stadium racing is pointless if the stadium is empty. 2 minute 3 manouvre legs are a joke. The potential is there but lack of practice is killing it for most teams. 

Yeah mate it's really cringey

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26 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

In fairness to Slingers, he did clean everyone out, but yeah, a touch of humility wouldn't hurt. I remember watching him in the last laser race at the London Olympics where he won gold. He was brilliant, and utterly ruthless.

Doesn't matter he is now a specialist SGP sailor that's all he does.

No one has ever said those words out loud "I am the best sailor in the world" ever before its a new level of arrogance. Has lost all respect from me I think he's a dick now 

 

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9 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said:

Doesn't matter he is now a specialist SGP sailor that's all he does.

No one has ever said those words out loud "I am the best sailor in the world" ever before its a new level of arrogance. Has lost all respect from me I think he's a dick now 

 

Perhaps it's to counter the endless "Sir Ben the best Olympic sailor ever" commentary he hears. 

A lot of top sports people probably have a self-affirmation mechanism to maintain a highly positive mental state, although he shouldn't have blurted it out.

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5 minutes ago, MaxHugen said:

Perhaps it's to counter the endless "Sir Ben the best Olympic sailor ever" commentary he hears. 

A lot of top sports people probably have a self-affirmation mechanism to maintain a highly positive mental state, although he shouldn't have blurted it out.

Maybe he needs some knighting? 

His team is tight and are sailing well. Besson was most impressive. The crap shoot of practice and the arbitrary allotment of same is totally repugnant. I expect team Aus to get no more boat time this season please wuss.

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13 minutes ago, MaxHugen said:

Perhaps it's to counter the endless "Sir Ben the best Olympic sailor ever" commentary he hears. 

A lot of top sports people probably have a self-affirmation mechanism to maintain a highly positive mental state, although he shouldn't have blurted it out.

Should not have said it out loud sheesh. BA doesn't say "I am the greatest Olympic sailor " it's a massive call from TS not endearing at all

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13 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said:

Should not have said it out loud sheesh. BA doesn't say "I am the greatest Olympic sailor " it's a massive call from TS not endearing at all

Where is this quote?   Does not sound like Sling.

Remember the Olympics in China when he got a boat that would not perform finished in the 20s and had to totally rebuild himself mentally.    Thin line between self confidence and self doubt. 

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11 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

Where is this quote?   Does not sound like Sling.

Remember the Olympics in China when he got a boat that would not perform finished in the 20s and had to totally rebuild himself mentally.    Thin line between self confidence and self doubt. 

In the promo video before the racing. It is there it is just cringey 

 

The line between Confidence and Arrogance was well crossed no one has ever came out with that statement 

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7 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

Yeah, they're not. These boats would feel totally different even if they look similar. Different flight controller, active rudders etc....

 

The AC50 had active rudder rake as well. Once you did away with rake control of the foils , as you had with the AC 72, the rudders had to have active rake. The AC 72 rudders had adjustable rake that could be changed for each race, but was fixed while racing.

Having active rudder rake dramatically simplifies the foil systems compared to foils that have active rake as well as cant.

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3 minutes ago, accnick said:

The AC50 had active rudder rake as well. Once you did away with rake control of the foils , as you had with the AC 72, the rudders had to have active rake. The AC 72 rudders had adjustable rake that could be changed for each race, but was fixed while racing.

Having active rudder rake dramatically simplifies the foil systems compared to foils that have active rake as well as cant.

Yes, IIRC the AC50 had up to 3° rake.  The F50 increased this to 7° I think, which allows for a lot more differential.

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12 minutes ago, Rushman said:

Coverage for the 1st day of racing... 2/10

Hopefully it improves

Yeah. Watched it on Kayo and the picture was terrible. Boats quoted at doing 75kn !!

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4 minutes ago, Tropical Madness said:

Yeah. Watched it on Kayo and the picture was terrible. Boats quoted at doing 75kn !!

Foxtel was in  HD, all closeups, the action wasn’t shown, speeds in km so comparison with the AC is difficult.

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3 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Key word being "another"

just like they can only get "another" AC win.

Yep, thats right. 

SailGP is a bit of fun and a paycheck until the 1) The Olympics come around again, and 2) until the AC starts again. 

 

Winning a medal in an irrelevant boat? You used the word irrelevant 

bet they love the support you show em... denigrating the boat class like that. 
 

maybe they could try winning Olympic medals in different classes? Or that too hard for em?  Seems like sail GP is too hard, what’s wrong? no follow the dot fir flight control? Where’s  the no look gybe? Bit average looking;-) 

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2 hours ago, Liquid Assett NZ said:

Should not have said it out loud sheesh. BA doesn't say "I am the greatest Olympic sailor " it's a massive call from TS not endearing at all

Totally agree. Whilst people may not like the BA greatest Olympic sailor tag it’s factually correct. Him saying he is the best is an opinion. Not that he hasn’t bloody talented of course!

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21 minutes ago, The Main Man said:

Totally agree. Whilst people may not like the BA greatest Olympic sailor tag it’s factually correct. Him saying he is the best is an opinion. Not that he hasn’t bloody talented of course!

The TS comments a d some of the “banter” on Instagram from sail GP and the teams seem terribly contrived and cringe.

TS saying he hurt getting beaten on home turf and now repaying it in Bermuda? 
 

wrong country you plum

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1 hour ago, Tropical Madness said:

Yeah. Watched it on Kayo and the picture was terrible. Boats quoted at doing 75kn !!

1 km/hr = 0.5399568 knot

1 knot = 1.852 km/hr

1 meter/second = 1.9438449 kt

1 kt = 0.51444444 meters/second

 

There will be a test tomorrow. No crib sheets allowed.

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15 minutes ago, accnick said:

1 km/hr = 0.5399568 knot

1 knot = 1.852 km/hr

1 meter/second = 1.9438449 kt

1 kt = 0.51444444 meters/second

 

There will be a test tomorrow. No crib sheets allowed.

This might be useful:

20 knots = 37 km/h

30 knots = 55 Km/h

40 knots = 74 km/h

50 knots (which was briefly reached in season 1) = 92 km/h

I cannot recall what speed the GP50s start foiling in , was it somewhere around 15 knots = 27km/h

 

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10 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Fuck off. We saw Team NZ foiling perfectly in 6-6.5 knots of breeze, performing flawless foiling tacks and gibes. 

TNZ was seen painfully drifting like the others.

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8 hours ago, Forourselves said:

For me, that was a response to a troll (or jest) remark about Burling and Tuke being "pretty shit" without a massive boat advantage.

They won the AC with a massive boat advantage, they are the best on a 49er, let's hope they will improve of foiling cats. SailGP is the highest level race now. Perhaps they do better today.

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4 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

They won the AC with a massive boat advantage, they are the best on a 49er, let's hope they will improve of foiling cats. SailGP is the highest level race now. Perhaps they do better today.

While it’s ben fun to poke fun at clarkey for his disinterest at SailGp and his defence of shite results from the blank firing Pete. At least he recognises it has been in jest. 
 

I feel for him though, it’s like he actually believed it was all Pete and Blair and NOT the boat.. it’s like Santa and the tooth fairy not being real if you are as devoted as he has been ;-) 

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5 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

They won the AC with a massive boat advantage, they are the best on a 49er, let's hope they will improve of foiling cats. SailGP is the highest level race now. Perhaps they do better today.

The 49ers ain't completely One-Design per Russell Coutts. Read here what he said about that:

"In those Olympic classes that are so-called one design, there are differences in equipment between masts and sails. They're small differences but differences that nevertheless matter quite a lot. In this race, they're going to be racing against these other guys in an absolutely identical boat and I think that's going to be fascinating to see how they come out of that and which team comes out on top."

Russell says there are Differences when it comes to the equipment even in a so-called OD Class we see in the Olympics. He mentions Masts & Sails.
 
SailGP has the same equipment for EVERYONE! Going to be interesting how Burling & Tuke do as the Season unfolds. Burling IMO is a poor Match Racer IMO. Whenever Pete has to do in a hand-to-hand combat Match Race Situation he will probably lose out to the likes of Slingsby, Nathan, Jimmy and Ben.
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30 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

I thought the AC50 rudder rake was fixed, and couldn't be changed whilst sailing?

No, main foils weren't allowed rake, so rudder had to rake (up to 3°).  You might be thinking of the AC72?

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15 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

While it’s ben fun to poke fun at clarkey for his disinterest at SailGp and his defence of shite results from the blank firing Pete. At least he recognises it has been in jest. 
 

I feel for him though, it’s like he actually believed it was all Pete and Blair and NOT the boat.. it’s like Santa and the tooth fairy not being real if you are as devoted as he has been ;-) 

Good analogy, I don't know how long it will take him to realize Santa isn't real, he is so delusional.

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15 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

The 49ers ain't completely One-Design per Russell Coutts. Read here what he said about that:

"In those Olympic classes that are so-called one design, there are differences in equipment between masts and sails. They're small differences but differences that nevertheless matter quite a lot. In this race, they're going to be racing against these other guys in an absolutely identical boat and I think that's going to be fascinating to see how they come out of that and which team comes out on top."

Russell says there are Differences when it comes to the equipment even in a so-called OD Class we see in the Olympics. He mentions Masts & Sails.
 
SailGP has the same equipment for EVERYONE! Going to be interesting how Burling & Tuke do as the Season unfolds. Burling IMO is a poor Match Racer IMO. Whenever Pete has to do in a hand-to-hand combat Match Race Situation he will probably lose out to the likes of Slingsby, Nathan, Jimmy and Ben.

Correct, there is a difference between OD and supplied material.

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53 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

I thought the AC50 rudder rake was fixed, and couldn't be changed whilst sailing?

Changed it different rudders now

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25 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

While it’s ben fun to poke fun at clarkey for his disinterest at SailGp and his defence of shite results from the blank firing Pete. At least he recognises it has been in jest. 
 

I feel for him though, it’s like he actually believed it was all Pete and Blair and NOT the boat.. it’s like Santa and the tooth fairy not being real if you are as devoted as he has been ;-) 

You mean he just saw Mom putting the coin under his pillow in place of the baby tooth?

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55 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

I thought the AC50 rudder rake was fixed, and couldn't be changed whilst sailing?

From the Class Rule for AC 35 (the AC 50):

10.4 Rudders shall rotate only, and shall have a maximum of two axes of rotation. One axis shall be within 0.010 m of the hull centerplane, measured between the upper and lower bearings, and the other shall be on a rake axis. Rudder rotation about the rake axis shall be limited to a 3.00 degree range while racing.

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12 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

I completely agree, champions with good manners, problems are some idiot fans.

Burling has an engineering background so it is quite interesting what he says often!

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All this discussion of how much is due to the boat and how much due to the sailor is pure guesswork.

Look at the speed differences and the distance differences in the One Design GP 50s.   I agree that much is due to practice but that will narrow over time but there will still be differences.

Boat speed differences can be due to the sailor or due to the saillor choosing the right equipment and tuning it correctly. Burling was fast in the 49er.....we can only observe the results.  Nathan beat Burling in 2012. Burling beat Nathan in 2016. They are both extraordinary sailors at the height of their game.

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7 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

All this discussion of how much is due to the boat and how much due to the sailor is pure guesswork.

Look at the speed differences and the distance differences in the One Design GP 50s.   I agree that much is due to practice but that will narrow over time but there will still be differences.

Boat speed differences can be due to the sailor or due to the saillor choosing the right equipment and tuning it correctly. Burling was fast in the 49er.....we can only observe the results.  Nathan beat Burling in 2012. Burling beat Nathan in 2016. They are both extraordinary sailors at the height of their game.

Yes, they are extraordinary good Sailors BUT they are no GOATS!

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16 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

They are no sheep either.

I call them GOATS if they win one Event 13 Times like Rafa Nadal has done in Roland Garros!

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DIFFERENT RACE FORMAT FOR TODAY COMPARED TO SEASON 1

Who will make the Final? My Money is on AUS, JPN, USA! Not sure Billy Besson can continue to play "Spoiler" here.

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56 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

All this discussion of how much is due to the boat and how much due to the sailor is pure guesswork.

Look at the speed differences and the distance differences in the One Design GP 50s.   I agree that much is due to practice but that will narrow over time but there will still be differences.

Boat speed differences can be due to the sailor or due to the saillor choosing the right equipment and tuning it correctly. Burling was fast in the 49er.....we can only observe the results.  Nathan beat Burling in 2012. Burling beat Nathan in 2016. They are both extraordinary sailors at the height of their game.

Competition of settings at this stage, of sailors soon. That said, at this game Slingsby is above the fray now.

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1 minute ago, JonRowe said:

NO appears to have launched into JS, did Bruni miss him? :lol::lol::lol:

Correction to my post above: Both seem not to have resumed racing.

And now USA capsizing.

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Just now, Rennmaus said:

And now USA capsizing.

Might have had damage from the collision? Certainly would get your nerves up

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JFC racing is good but direction of the tv feed is horrible...

last mark is just seconds from the finish, so when they show the first to finish and stay with them, they miss all the action at the last mark..

And seriously, commentators should not be reading from scripts...

Production values overall seem to at the level of the ESS a decade ago, but at least those guys didn’t take themselves so horribly serious

 

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9 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

USA / JPN greyed out, both retired? or a retired / dsq?

DNF, get 1 point each.

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Just now, Rennmaus said:

Why no penalty?

Fuck knows, just cut in front then fall off the foils in front of Someone. 
 

effecting results when you can’t qualify for the final is a bit of a shit move

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Just now, JALhazmat said:

Fuck knows, just cut in front then fall off the foils in front of Someone. 
 

effecting results when you can’t qualify for the final is a bit of a shit move

The whole race looks a little random to me. It's entertaining in a rollercoaster way tho.

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From the judges perspective its probably a completed tack, then by sail gp rules the boat behind has to keep clear.

(I mean Sail GP only publish a reduced set of rules, so who knows, but a complete tack is a completed tack)

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1 minute ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Seeing all theses passes, nothing compare with the last AC

Indeed, the AC is match racing (2 boats), the SGP is fleet racing (6-8 boats). Spot the difference.

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