Flying Dutchman 5 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Hi Guys, following SA for a while now and now’s the moment to join. I’m fixing up a one off Hakan Södergren 31 ft racer, been in storage in Germany for way to long. Almost a barn find. The boat is very similar to the one Solo Sailer is racing, the beautiful Azzura 310 Outsider. ( ballast will be different) I used to sail Soling and was looking for something faster and extremer. The boat specs are: 9.50 m 31ft, 3.15 m wide and draft 2.20 m total weight 1550 kg/ ballast 650 kg I’ll mostly like to race long distance doublehanded and think this boat allows me to go serious fast and offers great fun. Ok let me know what you think about the boat. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 5 Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 And some more pics 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glass 49 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Congratulations. Hakan Södergren's designed some interesting boats such as Carrera 280 and 290, Azzura 310, and Tarac 33. Does anyone has some knowledge and/or information about Tarac 33? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 5,405 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Definitely like... a lot Worthwhile project, but why the pointy top on the mainsail? Great looking boat FB- Doug 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Timur 416 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Cool ride. Tippy canoe hull shape Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 5 Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: Definitely like... a lot Worthwhile project, but why the pointy top on the mainsail? Great looking boat FB- Doug Thanks Doug, the design is made in the 90's so I guess before the fatheads kicked in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,511 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: Definitely like... a lot Worthwhile project, but why the pointy top on the mainsail? Great looking boat FB- Doug Looks to me like camber induced twist, instead of square top washout, which given the Jim Bowie observation ^^^ is a good trade off? What kind of sweep on the spreaders? What kind of AR upwind, 4;1? Light wind flyer- cool- but I would say that.....bendy mast? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 5 Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, JimBowie said: Cool ride. Tippy canoe hull shape Yeah I'm looking forward for the first outing, the sail area compared to my Soling scares me a lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solosailor 388 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Greetings..... looks like a close cousin of the Carrera 290 for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stealth 3 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Congratulations. That is indeed a great "Barn find". Looking forward to see it race and win. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 5 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 11 hours ago, solosailor said: Greetings..... looks like a close cousin of the Carrera 290 for sure. Hi there, yep your 100% right. De former German owners tested de Carrera 290 and asked Hakan to design a more radical boat based on the Carrera. The designbrief for this one off shows they wanted a superfast boat for racing the Bol d'or and simmilar races on the big lakes of Italy and Switzerland. I was able to get in touch with Hakan himself yesterday to talk about the boat. I'm looking forward to discuss with Hakan my main goal: get the boat ready for doublehanded racing. And I'm happy that you send your greetings, I'm very interested in your experience with Outsider. Since they're both Hakan's designs I noticed a lot of similarities. Ballast weight will be different and mine doesn't have a swinging di.... I mean pole :-) The Germans started to modify the boat after the finished the building of it, for example they added 1.00 m to the mast. So now it's a firm 14.50 m mast with an also enlarged mainsail. I saw some pictures of you with Outsider racing solo, did you had to ad waterballast to stay in control? I do think waterballast will be the only way for my boat to go doublehanded racing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solosailor 388 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 No water ballast. The boat has a 2000lbs bulb at 7.2'. So a 2150 total ballast package. You pay a heavy price for water ballast in a rating penalty so it's usually not worth it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neuronz 27 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 The hull shape probably lends itself well to waterballast. However, it adds complexity. If I was you I would sail the boat for a season and see how it handles. There are also other options like shortening the rig to its original dimensions and going with a moderate fat head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 5 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, solosailor said: No water ballast. The boat has a 2000lbs bulb at 7.2'. So a 2150 total ballast package. You pay a heavy price for water ballast in a rating penalty so it's usually not worth it. Ok my bulb is 1433lbs at 7.2" I guess Outsider was designed to race offshore? My boat definitely inshore, altough the conditions on the big European lakes can be crazy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 5 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 11 minutes ago, neuronz said: The hull shape probably lends itself well to waterballast. However, it adds complexity. If I was you I would sail the boat for a season and see how it handles. There are also other options like shortening the rig to its original dimensions and going with a moderate fat head. Yep very good advice, will do that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neuronz 27 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 21 minutes ago, Flying Dutchman said: Yep very good advice, will do that. We also found last year in our 8m boat that when sailing doublehanded aggressive stacking makes a huge difference. In our case it was only two bags, a headsail and two spinnakers, but it was worth about 0.2 - 0.3 knots. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 5,405 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 16 hours ago, neuronz said: We also found last year in our 8m boat that when sailing doublehanded aggressive stacking makes a huge difference. In our case it was only two bags, a headsail and two spinnakers, but it was worth about 0.2 - 0.3 knots. If you're going to carry around any weight, you are definitely better off applying that weight to righting moment! FB- Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 270 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Looks like a big i550. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Timur 416 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 You should name it Radikle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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