Flying Dutchman 9 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Hi Guys, following SA for a while now and now’s the moment to join. I’m fixing up a one off Hakan Södergren 31 ft racer, been in storage in Germany for way to long. Almost a barn find. The boat is very similar to the one Solo Sailer is racing, the beautiful Azzura 310 Outsider. ( ballast will be different) I used to sail Soling and was looking for something faster and extremer. The boat specs are: 9.50 m 31ft, 3.15 m wide and draft 2.20 m total weight 1550 kg/ ballast 650 kg I’ll mostly like to race long distance doublehanded and think this boat allows me to go serious fast and offers great fun. Ok let me know what you think about the boat. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 And some more pics 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glass 135 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Congratulations. Hakan Södergren's designed some interesting boats such as Carrera 280 and 290, Azzura 310, and Tarac 33. Does anyone has some knowledge and/or information about Tarac 33? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 5,683 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Definitely like... a lot Worthwhile project, but why the pointy top on the mainsail? Great looking boat FB- Doug 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Timur 452 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Cool ride. Tippy canoe hull shape Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: Definitely like... a lot Worthwhile project, but why the pointy top on the mainsail? Great looking boat FB- Doug Thanks Doug, the design is made in the 90's so I guess before the fatheads kicked in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amati 1,528 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said: Definitely like... a lot Worthwhile project, but why the pointy top on the mainsail? Great looking boat FB- Doug Looks to me like camber induced twist, instead of square top washout, which given the Jim Bowie observation ^^^ is a good trade off? What kind of sweep on the spreaders? What kind of AR upwind, 4;1? Light wind flyer- cool- but I would say that.....bendy mast? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, JimBowie said: Cool ride. Tippy canoe hull shape Yeah I'm looking forward for the first outing, the sail area compared to my Soling scares me a lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solosailor 400 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Greetings..... looks like a close cousin of the Carrera 290 for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stealth 3 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Congratulations. That is indeed a great "Barn find". Looking forward to see it race and win. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 11 hours ago, solosailor said: Greetings..... looks like a close cousin of the Carrera 290 for sure. Hi there, yep your 100% right. De former German owners tested de Carrera 290 and asked Hakan to design a more radical boat based on the Carrera. The designbrief for this one off shows they wanted a superfast boat for racing the Bol d'or and simmilar races on the big lakes of Italy and Switzerland. I was able to get in touch with Hakan himself yesterday to talk about the boat. I'm looking forward to discuss with Hakan my main goal: get the boat ready for doublehanded racing. And I'm happy that you send your greetings, I'm very interested in your experience with Outsider. Since they're both Hakan's designs I noticed a lot of similarities. Ballast weight will be different and mine doesn't have a swinging di.... I mean pole :-) The Germans started to modify the boat after the finished the building of it, for example they added 1.00 m to the mast. So now it's a firm 14.50 m mast with an also enlarged mainsail. I saw some pictures of you with Outsider racing solo, did you had to ad waterballast to stay in control? I do think waterballast will be the only way for my boat to go doublehanded racing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solosailor 400 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 No water ballast. The boat has a 2000lbs bulb at 7.2'. So a 2150 total ballast package. You pay a heavy price for water ballast in a rating penalty so it's usually not worth it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neuronz 34 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 The hull shape probably lends itself well to waterballast. However, it adds complexity. If I was you I would sail the boat for a season and see how it handles. There are also other options like shortening the rig to its original dimensions and going with a moderate fat head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, solosailor said: No water ballast. The boat has a 2000lbs bulb at 7.2'. So a 2150 total ballast package. You pay a heavy price for water ballast in a rating penalty so it's usually not worth it. Ok my bulb is 1433lbs at 7.2" I guess Outsider was designed to race offshore? My boat definitely inshore, altough the conditions on the big European lakes can be crazy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 11 minutes ago, neuronz said: The hull shape probably lends itself well to waterballast. However, it adds complexity. If I was you I would sail the boat for a season and see how it handles. There are also other options like shortening the rig to its original dimensions and going with a moderate fat head. Yep very good advice, will do that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neuronz 34 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 21 minutes ago, Flying Dutchman said: Yep very good advice, will do that. We also found last year in our 8m boat that when sailing doublehanded aggressive stacking makes a huge difference. In our case it was only two bags, a headsail and two spinnakers, but it was worth about 0.2 - 0.3 knots. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 5,683 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 16 hours ago, neuronz said: We also found last year in our 8m boat that when sailing doublehanded aggressive stacking makes a huge difference. In our case it was only two bags, a headsail and two spinnakers, but it was worth about 0.2 - 0.3 knots. If you're going to carry around any weight, you are definitely better off applying that weight to righting moment! FB- Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 273 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Looks like a big i550. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Timur 452 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 You should name it Radikle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 14 minutes ago, neuronz said: Any news? Lot’s of news but no descent time to drop it, thanks for the wake up call. A lot of work has been done, the boat’s about to be reunited with the keel. And it got it’s true colours now, white hull and black rig. Since the lower steering bearing was lost I bought a new Jefa, will be mounted next week. In two weeks the boat will be put back in the water, can’t wait. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 The keel needed some work too, the bulb will get new laminate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 The new cockpit lay out will be like the Farr280 or C&C 30 OD. So the traveller for the main will be put aft of the helm. Also the boom will be converted to an end-boom system. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 And for the cockpit floor and deck I will get Kiwi-Grip, light grey. Oh and since it’s an 90’s boat I re-shaped the boom the Italian way. Saves some weight and I like the look of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 And for all the impatient Sportboaters, I’m currently building a big brand new house in Amsterdam. Really a great project, only downside the company I hired to mark the exact height mark screwed up by almost 20cm... So after 11 months of negotiation with their insurance my daily job became a bit more busy.. The height problem is solved, only the money issue hasn’t Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 On 2/14/2021 at 6:06 AM, Timur said: You should name it Radikle Super fly it is Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teener 161 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 17 minutes ago, Flying Dutchman said: Really a great project, only downside the company I hired to mark the exact height mark screwed up by almost 20cm... Building company in Amsterdam? I've seen their work. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 13 minutes ago, Teener said: Building company in Amsterdam? I've seen their work. Haha, yeah these are famous. Been on a Tourist boat? Than you saw these ‘dancing houses’ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pep 0 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Cool project (the house but especially the boat). Thanks for sharing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Dutchman 9 Posted May 31 Author Share Posted May 31 7 hours ago, pep said: Cool project (the house but especially the boat). Thanks for sharing Thanks, today a great day: the boat is back in the water again. Since I never saw it in the water it was a nice surprise to see her reunited with the wet stuff. Tomorrow we’ll put the mast back on the boat and I’ll bring the boat to Amsterdam saturday. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solosailor 400 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Congratulations. After 7 weeks I moved into the painting barn and am in the home stretch myself. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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