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I'm curious if there is boats10m(32 feet 9.701 inches) hull length that have a headroom for a manlet like me{184cm(6 feet 0.441 inch))

Can you suggest any?

Also i find it quite inconvenient that most manufacturers don't mention standing headroom in their boats.

I'm interested in old and new boats.

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1 hour ago, pironiero said:

I'm curious if there is boats10m(32 feet 9.701 inches) hull length that have a headroom for a manlet like me{184cm(6 feet 0.441 inch))

Can you suggest any?

Also i find it quite inconvenient that most manufacturers don't mention standing headroom in their boats.

I'm interested in old and new boats.

Shortly I will be listing a 36 foot custom built boat by Goetz that has higher headroom than 184cm(6 feet 0.441 inch); just keep checking SA Classifieds.

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"There are only three things one does down below, and none of them require standing headroom" -Herreshoff?

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Where are you? I'm 6-4 and had standing headroom in most of the cabin of our Yamaha 33 but I think they only sold those in the US West Coast, Japan, Singapore and Hong Kong.

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26 minutes ago, kinardly said:

Where are you? I'm 6-4 and had standing headroom in most of the cabin of our Yamaha 33 but I think they only sold those in the US West Coast, Japan, Singapore and Hong Kong.

Tell me more about Yamaha.....do only race it?  Cruise?  Both?  It's somewhere on my list and wouldn't mind if it moved up a few spots.  There's a couple for sale nearby. 

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I've sung the Y 33 praises elsewhere on SA. Prolly best PM me. Happy to oblige.

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The Elan 310 is 186cm, the Hanse 320 should also have enough.

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6 hours ago, kinardly said:

Where are you? I'm 6-4 and had standing headroom in most of the cabin of our Yamaha 33 but I think they only sold those in the US West Coast, Japan, Singapore and Hong Kong.

Russia

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7 hours ago, stinky said:

"There are only three things one does down below, and none of them require standing headroom" -Herreshoff?

Sleep shit eat?

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12 hours ago, pironiero said:

Sleep shit eat?

OK, four things then.

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2 hours ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

OK, four things then.

Masturbating?

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8 hours ago, JL92S said:

Sunfast 3300

My vote as well. You aren’t going to get standing headroom in the other new fast 30ish footers

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SF 3200, SunFast 32, First 31.7, Elan 310....

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But the whole point of this topic if trying to find one, either new or old

2 hours ago, Alberta said:

My vote as well. You aren’t going to get standing headroom in the other new fast 30ish footers

 

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There are lots of 30ers with 6’ standing headroom. A 30er  with 6’ headroom is going to look chunky.  Do you want to look back at your boat as you walk away from her after a sail and see a chunky boat?  

 

 

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On 1/30/2021 at 1:07 PM, danstanford said:

J/99

I am 182 cms and do not have standing headroom in the J/99 or sitting headroom at the chart table, which was slightly disturbing.

The best IRC short-handed 30ish footer is hands down the JPK 1010, it's fast, well-thought, has plenty of headroom and comfort features.

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21 hours ago, Sebyseb said:

I am 182 cms and do not have standing headroom in the J/99 or sitting headroom at the chart table, which was slightly disturbing.

The best IRC short-handed 30ish footer is hands down the JPK 1010, it's fast, well-thought, has plenty of headroom and comfort features.

Holy fucking shit, that's so expensive, found 2 for around 168k$

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On 1/30/2021 at 9:47 PM, Amati said:

There are lots of 30ers with 6’ standing headroom. A 30er  with 6’ headroom is going to look chunky.  Do you want to look back at your boat as you walk away from her after a sail and see a chunky boat?  

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, pironiero said:

Holy fucking shit, that's so expensive, found 2 for around 168k$

I think we can comfortably check new boats off the list of contenders. The JPKs hold their value well, but are still pretty in line with the overall market for performance boats of that age. 

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7 hours ago, pironiero said:

 

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On 1/30/2021 at 11:30 AM, pironiero said:

Masturbating?

Ok its 5 things

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Its a good question about headroom, more modern boats have “solved” the headroom problem by increasing freeboard, older boats had high cabinsides but generally yachts look better if they are low as that gives the impression of length. Much easier to make a longer boat look good than a short one especially with trying to give headroom, still it can be done nicely. The sun fast series are pretty good compromises, and getting cheap now.

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14 hours ago, toad said:

sun fast series are pretty good compromises, and getting cheap now

ive red somewhere that they have 180cm headroom at most

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ill put it another way, Im 195cm, my boat has about 180- its doable. Your ambition exceeds your budget unless of course you want a 32 ft hanse/bavaria/jenneau shitter designed for fat fucks to sit on the marina in.

Go and have a look at a few boats, invest some time in reality because internet forums are useless in the opinionfest/best boat scenario. you may find your sistine chapel 32 footer but it will look like a block of flats because its too short, unless its really well designed for modern aesthetics which means spending money you aint got.

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On 2/2/2021 at 8:52 PM, pironiero said:

Holy fucking shit, that's so expensive, found 2 for around 168k$

SF3200 can be found fof 80k, Sunfast 32 @ 35K

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2 hours ago, toad said:

ill put it another way, Im 195cm, my boat has about 180- its doable. Your ambition exceeds your budget unless of course you want a 32 ft hanse/bavaria/jenneau shitter designed for fat fucks to sit on the marina in.

Go and have a look at a few boats, invest some time in reality because internet forums are useless in the opinionfest/best boat scenario. you may find your sistine chapel 32 footer but it will look like a block of flats because its too short, unless its really well designed for modern aesthetics which means spending money you aint got.

Correct.

In the 30 - 32 range, you need enough hull in the water for standing headroom, if you don't want skyscrapers as deckhouse. That contradicts fast.

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On 1/30/2021 at 10:47 AM, Amati said:

There are lots of 30ers with 6’ standing headroom. A 30er  with 6’ headroom is going to look chunky.  Do you want to look back at your boat as you walk away from her after a sail and see a chunky boat?  

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i'm 6' and that's a bene 34.7 / 10R.

There's a few in Estionia, so not toohorribly  far from the poster

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Clue is in the name... 34.7, ie 15% bigger than a 30’ er. And it’s a little chunky as well. 
 

if you take a look at my avatar pic you  will see a 30’ er with about 5’9” headroom that still looks chunky due to lack of canoe body. 

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10R = 10 meters or 32'9".....exactly what the OP was asking about, so I threw it in there.

The First 30 is in fact 30', but no knowledge of it's headroom

Neither looks chunky. They may not look like an Eggemoggin 47, Spirit or Eagle 44 but....

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lol, I take it back. Never knew a 34.7 was <33 ft long! Guess that makes it look cheap if you are cross-shopping with actual 34-35 footers.

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On the other hand, a nicely design cabin can be very comfortable even without 6’ headroom- for example, the Alerion 28-

 

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With boats length isnt everything, its only 90% of everything.

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Nice looking boat. Could someone please explain the use of that big swiveling appendage on the foredeck. I mean, I see that it’s a boom for the jib but does it’s usefulness really justify such a contraption?

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17 minutes ago, mundt said:

Nice looking boat. Could someone please explain the use of that big swiveling appendage on the foredeck. I mean, I see that it’s a boom for the jib but does it’s usefulness really justify such a contraption?

Club-footed jibs aren't that uncommon. From Harbor 20s sailing in Newport Beach to Chris White cats. Good for single-handing. No need to run a separate barber hauler or a pole. 

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would a few well-placed battens accomplish the same?  

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The self tacking hoyt jib boom maintains a good sheeting angle of the leach from close hauled upwind to winged out downwind.  Battens cant really do it as well.  

 

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great for wiping crew of the foredeck, thats about it. Like anything people focus on a particular benefit ignoring the downsides but overall its a pass.

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2 hours ago, mundt said:

Nice looking boat. Could someone please explain the use of that big swiveling appendage on the foredeck. I mean, I see that it’s a boom for the jib but does it’s usefulness really justify such a contraption?

Think of it as a boom with a vang.  We have one on the 40er.  Downwind it’s the da bomb,  makes jibing really easy, and is close to a small assym in power, but has a huge wind angle.   Wing and wing, and jibing are fun.  Upwind?  I need to find a Hoyt Jib boom sail maker with experience and expertise, and also see what kind of tackle setup the boats that use them have.  You can get leach control, but it’s more about a clew card or an outhaul track or a clew loop on the jib boom.  (I hear that leach control can be automatic with the right sail cut) My K1 uses a dangly pole, which has more leech control, but gybing is not automatic. There’s a YouTube on another thread somewhere here about an open 60 RC model with foils that has an RC jib setup that’s close to a Hoyt jib that will give you a good idea how it all works.  It’s pretty cool.  Tacking downwind becomes a lot easier- automatic actually- you can tube on the gust lull sequence.  The Beirig jib looks cool, but it (and a vang on the forestay, inner and outer) put weird stresses on things, and makes a furling jib less convenient.

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Mundt here’s a link to the RC model I mentioned ^^^^

 

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Not sure how fast you want to go but Columbia has 5'10" of headroom. A great perk after stepping off other boats with only a crawl space and in the same rating band.

I think the Tiger has roughly the same as well.

 

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Amati, thanks!  Not to be impertinent but I get the feeling I could buy a pretty nice beachcat for the price of that rc rig?

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On 2/10/2021 at 8:38 PM, Irrational 14 said:

Not sure how fast you want to go but Columbia has 5'10" of headroom. A great perk after stepping off other boats with only a crawl space and in the same rating band.

I think the Tiger has roughly the same as well.

 

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You mean 6`10 maybe? 

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If you need 6'10" of headroom you may be SOL. Wear a hat, get height reduction surgery, or buy a 40 footer.

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Why do multiple people ITT say the SF3200 or 3300 have 184cm headroom?

They have like that much headroom in pretty much the only place you don't want it, the aft cabins. The headroom in the saloon is like 170cm max.

Apparently all modern boat designers and builders are fucking migits, because not that long ago 6'2" headroom was standard in a 27 footer, now, almost no 33 foot boats have even 6' headroom.

On 2/5/2021 at 6:08 PM, pironiero said:

ive red somewhere that they have 180cm headroom at most

 

On 2/7/2021 at 12:08 PM, Parma said:

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i'm 6' and that's a bene 34.7 / 10R.

There's a few in Estionia, so not toohorribly  far from the poster

Isn't that like 5'10" headroom? I'm 6'1 and wasn't close to standing straight upright in one.

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1 hour ago, darth reapius said:

Why do multiple people ITT say the SF3200 or 3300 have 184cm headroom?

They have like that much headroom in pretty much the only place you don't want it, the aft cabins. The headroom in the saloon is like 170cm max.

 

I'm 185cm and have a SF3200. Whilst it certainly does not have 184cm, it's certainly not as low 170cm.

After having a SO40 with something like 190cm  it takes a bit to get used to but it's fine.

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So here's a tangent question.  How long do you need to go before you get head room and good looks?

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5 hours ago, canstead said:

So here's a tangent question.  How long do you need to go before you get head room and good looks?

Probably about 35' with a good designer. My C&C 110 has 6'3" or more headroom throughout, and does not look overly top heavy at all.

Image for reference, not mine, but not a bad looking boat considering it is a cruiser.

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7 hours ago, canstead said:

So here's a tangent question.  How long do you need to go before you get head room and good looks?

You can do it in just about any length, as long as you are willing to add displacement/shorten the waterline and get the cabin sole deeper in the water.  Otherwise I think the C&C above looks pretty good to my eye (in fact all the C&C 35s seem to have good proportions).

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I have headroom on my pogo 30 from in the head to the galley, I am 182 cm. I think the pogo looks good on the water

 

 

 

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On 2/16/2021 at 11:17 AM, Goatish said:

Probably about 35' with a good designer. My C&C 110 has 6'3" or more headroom throughout, and does not look overly top heavy at all.

Image for reference, not mine, but not a bad looking boat considering it is a cruiser.

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almost every trick in the book, aesthetically- and they work on profile view

high freeboard hull with black toerail, and black paint, no cove stripe

slender streamlined windows low to the deck , no opening hatches on the cabin side

thick bright waterline stripe that draws eye down (x boats have really refined this approach)

lowish boom

sheer is incredibly well done, stays low at the stern

the only thing missing are long windows in the hull, which do work wonders 

canoe body draft is, 8-10”? So standing a bit lower than WL?

this boat with a white hull?

 

 

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On 2/16/2021 at 1:40 AM, darth reapius said:

Why do multiple people ITT say the SF3200 or 3300 have 184cm headroom?

They have like that much headroom in pretty much the only place you don't want it, the aft cabins. The headroom in the saloon is like 170cm max.

Apparently all modern boat designers and builders are fucking migits, because not that long ago 6'2" headroom was standard in a 27 footer, now, almost no 33 foot boats have even 6' headroom.

 

Isn't that like 5'10" headroom? I'm 6'1 and wasn't close to standing straight upright in one.

There's one place I can stand straight up, so that counts.

Otherwise, yeah it's 5'9", but that's not bad for a 33'er

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1 hour ago, Parma said:

There's one place I can stand straight up, so that counts.

The only place I needed to stand was in the galley. The big hatch there (SC50) gives 4 inches of extra headroom closed, to the boom when open. Everywhere else was designed with 6’ 2” midgets in mind. But since I’ve installed the little wife unit the sitting headroom in my office and long bunks are all I need. I’m 6’ 5”. I have never thought headroom was a boat selection issue. Some much else is far more important to me. 

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On 2/16/2021 at 4:55 PM, shaggyq said:

I have headroom on my pogo 30 from in the head to the galley, I am 182 cm. I think the pogo looks good on the water

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Lovely boat. I’m impressed that they preserved that much headroom. A far cry from my pain box that maxes out at 175cm in a one sq ft area at the base of the companion way stairs. 

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Since the OP said he had some Yamaha 33s in his area, suggest again taking a serious look if you like headroom with decent looks. Sunfast 32i rates 141 in NorCal and the Y33 is 144. Both are undoubtedly good choices but the Yamaha has to be a lot less expensive due to its age and boasts 193 CM in the rear of the main saloon, probably189 forward. Best construction and interior of any boat in that size that I ever experienced. 50/50 ballast to displacement for the Yamaha vs 27/73 for the Sunfast and they are within 150 KG of each other (roughly 4464 vs 4200KG) dry. You are thinking about single handing, right? That would sure be the deciding factor to me.

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On 2/19/2021 at 2:54 AM, Alberta said:

Lovely boat. I’m impressed that they preserved that much headroom. A far cry from my pain box that maxes out at 175cm in a one sq ft area at the base of the companion way stairs. 

 Structures are very smart, no floorboards means less freeboard, its just beautifully finished hull skin and structure, good for foot bracing too.  Everyone else will get there in 10 years or so.

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5 hours ago, maxstaylock said:

 Structures are very smart, no floorboards means less freeboard, its just beautifully finished hull skin and structure, good for foot bracing too.  Everyone else will get there in 10 years or so.

My Figaro is similar, but with a maze of tall stringers, ribs, and foil cases that make it a hands and knees affair down below. Headroom was sacrificed for flat decks, which is worth it for me, but still impressed by the 30 as a cruiser.

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My Olson 40 has 6’ headroom. Faster than most mentioned here, and change hands for $50-$75k.

Much lighter than nearly anything with similar waterline, means it remains inexpensive. My full sail inventory in state-of-the-art materials is far under $20k. Carbon main and lapper, screecher and a3. Last two on order, been sailing it like a Cal-20, fast and fun.

Lapper means visibility under, never touches mast or shrouds, windward sheet is barberhauler. Amazing. Faster than wind speed in all directions under 6 knots with the lapper, including downwind. Lapper is fully battened so well behaved, and does wing-and-wing DDW without a pole.

Strong, plenty of storage, no hull or deck liners. Enclosed head, nice for cruising with friends and family.

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Oh: carbon sails means no sail changes needed, same sails for glass calm to 20 knots plus. I’m in SoCal not SF Bay, but in Hurricane Gulch where high teens are common.

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On 2/26/2021 at 2:50 AM, carcrash said:

My Olson 40 has 6’ headroom. Faster than most mentioned here, and change hands for $50-$75k.

and 8ft longer than the op asked for ;)

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16 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

and 8ft longer than the op asked for ;)

This why you don't ask these questions IMO.

You ask a question on this forum like - "I need a race boat, 9m long max (to fit in my pen), no accommodation, designed to suit 1-2 crew for inshore windward leeward racing".

Gets answers like:

"Get a Hunter 32"

"Nah Melges 32 is way faster get one of those AND it sails to it's rating"

"I love my Beneteau First 30 (JK)"

"Nah First 36.7 will be way better to stay on at a regatta"

"Sunfast 3200 hands down"

When in reality, clearly the right answer to that question is JS9000.

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On 2/28/2021 at 4:54 AM, darth reapius said:

This why you don't ask these questions IMO.

You ask a question on this forum like - "I need a race boat, 9m long max (to fit in my pen), no accommodation, designed to suit 1-2 crew for inshore windward leeward racing".

Gets answers like:

"Get a Hunter 32"

"Nah Melges 32 is way faster get one of those AND it sails to it's rating"

"I love my Beneteau First 30 (JK)"

"Nah First 36.7 will be way better to stay on at a regatta"

"Sunfast 3200 hands down"

When in reality, clearly the right answer to that question is JS9000.

Well, the OP didn't ask for that type of boat, did he? He asked which somewhat fast boats had good headroom. The JS9000 is a really nice day sailor but you aren't going to go below for anything more than a squirt in the porta potty while hunched over your navel.

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6 hours ago, kinardly said:

Well, the OP didn't ask for that type of boat, did he? He asked which somewhat fast boats had good headroom. The JS9000 is a really nice day sailor but you aren't going to go below for anything more than a squirt in the porta potty while hunched over your navel.

Mine was just a random example, unrelated to OP's. Someone posted a JS9000 in the thread earlier, and I was poking fun at their post and people not answering the original thread correctly.

He asked for a 10m boat with standing headroom, and responses were for boats not matching his criteria.

I'd offer to help, but TBH, OP is in Russia... I think, and all my suggestions will be like, pending budgetary, Northshore 33 for cheap, Sydney 32 for expensive.

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On 3/2/2021 at 8:20 AM, darth reapius said:

Northshore 33

https://youtu.be/LXI4qutPLn8 that's a nice boat.

 

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On 3/2/2021 at 8:20 AM, darth reapius said:

I'd offer to help, but TBH, OP is in Russia... I think, and all my suggestions will be like, pending budgetary

kind of, we have 50% import fees...

The point of thi topic is to find a boat that will outweight this huge minus

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