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Russia's Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine gives around 92% protection against Covid-19, late stage trial results published in The Lancet reveal.

It has also been deemed to be safe - and offer complete protection against hospitalisation and death.

The vaccine was initially met with some controversy after being rolled out before the final trial data had been released.

But scientists said its benefit has now been demonstrated.

It joins the ranks of proven vaccines alongside Pfizer, Oxford/AstraZeneca, Moderna and Janssen.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55900622

 

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4 hours ago, LB 15 said:

You do know that Russia is not a communist country anymore? It was in all the papers. 

in 1986.

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That's good news, particularly for those who have already received it, so it seems that the first two vaccines to roll out were not part of warp speed.

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It is excellent news as there are lots of countries where Pfizer/Moderna is not really feasible, and we need to get this pandemic under control worldwide.

The surprise is that the various Chinese-made vaccines don't seem as effective, so what is wrong with them? Surely they also express the spike protein, so do their vectors just not do as good a job?

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5 hours ago, TheDragon said:

The surprise is that the various Chinese-made vaccines don't seem as effective, so what is wrong with them? Surely they also express the spike protein, so do their vectors just not do as good a job?

The biggest evidence that the PRC didn't do this intentionally and the CCP is just bad = how ineffective their biomedical research is when it comes to covid-19. Part of the nationalism nonsense was pushing traditional chinese medicine crap. A paradox of effective controls + political shit for brains in basic scientific research.

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5 hours ago, TheDragon said:

The surprise is that the various Chinese-made vaccines don't seem as effective, so what is wrong with them? Surely they also express the spike protein, so do their vectors just not do as good a job?

Definitely a surprise.  I mean Chinese industry is globally renowned for independently developing their own products and QA

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I cannot imagine injecting anything from Russia (or the former Soviet Union for that matter) into my body, especially if it's called Sputnik. Call me old fashioned.

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39 minutes ago, Bull City said:

I cannot imagine injecting anything from Russia (or the former Soviet Union for that matter) into my body, especially if it's called Sputnik. Call me old fashioned.

But the data is compelling. Putin said so. 

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Let's see. For the past decade the USA has been unable to put people into space, instead depending on Russia to do it. Russia has had excellent virologists for many decades. I would be very happy to take their vaccine. The bias against other countries from people in the USA is amazing. Even Fauci does it occasionally, for example questioning the speed with which the UK approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca and other vaccines, then having to back off. And like the USA fucked up Covid testing this time last year because with unbelievable hubris they decided to develop their own PCR tests instead of using the WHO test that everyone else used. Right, great move. And USA still has not approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine,  WTF! Now taking 22 days just to schedule the FDA review of the JnJ vaccine. Wonderful sense of urgency about the need to get people vaccinated to head off the new variants rapidly spreading in the USA, NOT! USA got itself into this mess for many reasons, including the profound stupidity of banning travel from China, and then Europe, but not for USA citizens, who happily wandered back into the country by the thousands and went home to all 50 states having had only a temperature check, WTF! And then the freedom-loving idiots who refuse to wear masks and socially distance, led by their fearless idiot president, managed to make us the greatest in the world, soon to pass half a million deaths and a crushed economy. USA FIRST, even if profoundly stupid. Okay, rant over, but please, spare me the hubris against other countries, have just a little humility. Believe it or not, but the USA is not the best at everything, commonly screws up royally, and other countries are actually quite good at lots of things, sometimes better than the USA.

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On 2/8/2021 at 9:53 AM, TheDragon said:

It is excellent news as there are lots of countries where Pfizer/Moderna is not really feasible, and we need to get this pandemic under control worldwide.

The surprise is that the various Chinese-made vaccines don't seem as effective, so what is wrong with them? Surely they also express the spike protein, so do their vectors just not do as good a job?

What Chinese knock off is as good as the orginal?  

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2 hours ago, TheDragon said:

Let's see. For the past decade the USA has been unable to put people into space, instead depending on Russia to do it. Russia has had excellent virologists for many decades. I would be very happy to take their vaccine. The bias against other countries from people in the USA is amazing. Even Fauci does it occasionally, for example questioning the speed with which the UK approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca and other vaccines, then having to back off. And like the USA fucked up Covid testing this time last year because with unbelievable hubris they decided to develop their own PCR tests instead of using the WHO test that everyone else used. Right, great move. And USA still has not approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine,  WTF! Now taking 22 days just to schedule the FDA review of the JnJ vaccine. Wonderful sense of urgency about the need to get people vaccinated to head off the new variants rapidly spreading in the USA, NOT! USA got itself into this mess for many reasons, including the profound stupidity of banning travel from China, and then Europe, but not for USA citizens, who happily wandered back into the country by the thousands and went home to all 50 states having had only a temperature check, WTF! And then the freedom-loving idiots who refuse to wear masks and socially distance, led by their fearless idiot president, managed to make us the greatest in the world, soon to pass half a million deaths and a crushed economy. USA FIRST, even if profoundly stupid. Okay, rant over, but please, spare me the hubris against other countries, have just a little humility. Believe it or not, but the USA is not the best at everything, commonly screws up royally, and other countries are actually quite good at lots of things, sometimes better than the USA.

it is amazing, The WHO has been right about everything! 

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2 minutes ago, Cristoforo said:

What Chinese knock off is as good as the orginal?  

Just ask the hundreds of prison inmates in the U.S. who were sickened by toothpaste from China.

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13 minutes ago, Bull City said:

Just ask the hundreds of prison inmates in the U.S. who were sickened by toothpaste from China.

What?! Doesn't everyone put ethylene glycol in toothpaste?
What about the millions of toys they continually exported to USA and Europe with lead paint?  

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On 2/8/2021 at 1:54 AM, LB 15 said:

You do know that Russia is not a communist country anymore? It was in all the papers. 

You do understand the difference between "not communist anymore" and "transparent and open society?"

Russia ranks a dismal 30 on the 2020 CPI scale, 125th worst in the world:

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2020/index/rus

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5 hours ago, TheDragon said:

Let's see. For the past decade the USA has been unable to put people into space, instead depending on Russia to do it. Russia has had excellent virologists for many decades. I would be very happy to take their vaccine. The bias against other countries from people in the USA is amazing. Even Fauci does it occasionally, for example questioning the speed with which the UK approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca and other vaccines, then having to back off. And like the USA fucked up Covid testing this time last year because with unbelievable hubris they decided to develop their own PCR tests instead of using the WHO test that everyone else used. Right, great move. And USA still has not approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine,  WTF! Now taking 22 days just to schedule the FDA review of the JnJ vaccine. Wonderful sense of urgency about the need to get people vaccinated to head off the new variants rapidly spreading in the USA, NOT! USA got itself into this mess for many reasons, including the profound stupidity of banning travel from China, and then Europe, but not for USA citizens, who happily wandered back into the country by the thousands and went home to all 50 states having had only a temperature check, WTF! And then the freedom-loving idiots who refuse to wear masks and socially distance, led by their fearless idiot president, managed to make us the greatest in the world, soon to pass half a million deaths and a crushed economy. USA FIRST, even if profoundly stupid. Okay, rant over, but please, spare me the hubris against other countries, have just a little humility. Believe it or not, but the USA is not the best at everything, commonly screws up royally, and other countries are actually quite good at lots of things, sometimes better than the USA.

Chill dude. Hope you feel better with that off your chest.  No purple font on an iPhone.  

22 days is only a couple of days beyond what it took for Pfizer and Moderna.  I support the FDA doing an independent review of the data in the same way other countries don't accept the FDA approval without independently verifying the data.   AZ screwed their phase 2 trial and almost had to restart. 

One word for that independent review.  Thalidomide.  Approved and widely used in Europe.  Not approved in the US due to questionable data.  

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3 hours ago, Ajax said:

You do understand the difference between "not communist anymore" and "transparent and open society?"

Russia ranks a dismal 30 on the 2020 CPI scale, 125th worst in the world:

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2020/index/rus

I was just having a crack at meli’s Ideology as a champagne socialist.  Putting shit on each other is an Australian thing.

I know Putin is a despicable cunt.

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4 hours ago, Bull City said:

Just ask the hundreds of prison inmates in the U.S. who were sickened by toothpaste from China.

And the many pets that were sickened/killed by their dog food.

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12 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

I was just having a crack at meli’s Ideology as a champagne socialist.  Putting shit on each other is an Australian thing.

I know Putin is a despicable cunt.

LOL...ah. Sorry for being obtuse.

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Just now, Ajax said:

LOL...ah. Sorry for being obtuse.

No need to apologise mate- I agree completely with your views on Russia. 

I have encountered quite a few Russian tourists overseas. They make ‘ugly americans’ (like our hero in this thread) look like a polite elderly Japanese tour party.

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8 hours ago, TheDragon said:

Let's see. For the past decade the USA has been unable to put people into space, instead depending on Russia to do it. Russia has had excellent virologists for many decades. I would be very happy to take their vaccine. The bias against other countries from people in the USA is amazing. Even Fauci does it occasionally, for example questioning the speed with which the UK approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca and other vaccines, then having to back off. And like the USA fucked up Covid testing this time last year because with unbelievable hubris they decided to develop their own PCR tests instead of using the WHO test that everyone else used. Right, great move. And USA still has not approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine,  WTF! Now taking 22 days just to schedule the FDA review of the JnJ vaccine. Wonderful sense of urgency about the need to get people vaccinated to head off the new variants rapidly spreading in the USA, NOT! USA got itself into this mess for many reasons, including the profound stupidity of banning travel from China, and then Europe, but not for USA citizens, who happily wandered back into the country by the thousands and went home to all 50 states having had only a temperature check, WTF! And then the freedom-loving idiots who refuse to wear masks and socially distance, led by their fearless idiot president, managed to make us the greatest in the world, soon to pass half a million deaths and a crushed economy. USA FIRST, even if profoundly stupid. Okay, rant over, but please, spare me the hubris against other countries, have just a little humility. Believe it or not, but the USA is not the best at everything, commonly screws up royally, and other countries are actually quite good at lots of things, sometimes better than the USA.

Not having confidence in Russian and Chinese products, or being skeptical, given their record, does not equal: " USA FIRST, even if profoundly stupid."

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On 2/8/2021 at 1:54 AM, LB 15 said:

You do know that Russia is not a communist country anymore? It was in all the papers. 

It's still a totalitarian state though, led - owned and operated by might be a more accurate term - by a murderous former KGB-gangster dickbag. 

 



 

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32 minutes ago, Lex Teredo said:

It's still a totalitarian state though, led - owned and operated by might be a more accurate term - by a murderous former KGB-gangster dickbag. 

Lex, I think LB was being sarcastic ("It was in all the papers.") and he was making the point that "not communist" can still be authoritarian/totalitarian. LB is a pretty strange guy though. You never know. ;)

Although according to the OP, Sputnik offers "complete protection against hospitalisation and death." Maybe we should all get it. Sail Forever! The Social Security Trust Fund would be screwed.

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9 hours ago, TheDragon said:

And USA still has not approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine,  WTF! Now taking 22 days just to schedule the FDA review of the JnJ vaccine.

Oxford/AZ has not submitted their vaccine for approval. Impossible to approve something that has not been submitted.

It is fairly well known that AZ  does not have all the necessary data to complete their submission due to protocol errors in part of their trial and will submit some time around April when they have completed a phase 3 trial.

We could encourage them to submit partial data but the preliminary numbers were so opaque, the US is content to wait until the company is confident enough to submit an application.

My father in law has rec'd the AZ first dose.  I would prefer he had recd the Pf vaccine

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On 2/8/2021 at 4:54 PM, LB 15 said:

You do know that Russia is not a communist country anymore? It was in all the papers. 

For the sake of clarity...

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On 2/7/2021 at 4:42 AM, Shortforbob said:

Joining the other big 4.

Russia's Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine gives around 92% protection against Covid-19, late stage trial results published in The Lancet reveal.

It has also been deemed to be safe - and offer complete protection against hospitalisation and death.

The vaccine was initially met with some controversy after being rolled out before the final trial data had been released.

But scientists said its benefit has now been demonstrated.

It joins the ranks of proven vaccines alongside Pfizer, Oxford/AstraZeneca, Moderna and Janssen.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55900622

 

Part of the vaccine puzzle is the manufacture of millions of hits 

it would be great if this Sputnik jab became available 

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4 hours ago, LB 15 said:

No need to apologise mate- I agree completely with your views on Russia. 

I have encountered quite a few Russian tourists overseas. They make ‘ugly americans’ (like our hero in this thread) look like a polite elderly Japanese tour party.

For once we are in complete agreement. CP Peasants? cashed up Bogans? there are worse that "Ugly Americans"

(I once has a prospective Russian buyer for a house I was renting, ash his cigarette on my carpet (me only being a lowly tenant). I'm afraid it has prejudiced me forever.))

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8 hours ago, Cristoforo said:

What?! Doesn't everyone put ethylene glycol in toothpaste?
What about the millions of toys they continually exported to USA and Europe with lead paint?  

Maybe you should just stop being cheap and buy American,  and heaven help you, buy less?

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AstraZenica not good against the scariest variant from South Africa. Again, I define "good" as I don't get sick and can go places internationally.  "Not dying" sitting home, I already got that. 

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9 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Maybe you should just stop being cheap and buy American,  and heaven help you, buy less?

:o

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

For once we are in complete agreement. CP Peasants? cashed up Bogans? there are worse that "Ugly Americans"

(I once has a prospective Russian buyer for a house I was renting, ash his cigarette on my carpet (me only being a lowly tenant). I'm afraid it has prejudiced me forever.))

We had a Russian guy charter one of our boats for a week. Him (he was in his late 50's), his slut 25 year old girlfriend and his two 'Bodyguards'. The bodyguards were fat ex-military types (apparently, but if they were they were in the army they must have been in the catering corps) who did nothing but play games on their phones about 20 hours a day. I have met scarier Labradors.

The guy and his slut GF only wanted to sail for two hours each day from about 3 pm until 5 pm then go to a restaurant for dinner. They would come back to the boat about midnight and then watch Russian TV shows on their Ipads until dawn, sleep, wake up at 2 in the afternoon and repeat. The Bodyguards sat in the cockpit playing with their phones all night until the boss went to sleep and then they would crash out as well. It seems people can only be kidnapped when they are awake in Russia. 

The guy talked it up like he was some kind of oligarch, but he must have been at the lower end as he bitched about how expensive Ubers were in Australia. His slut GF was a complete fuckwit, she had a head like a dropped pie and a body like a sack of shit tied in the middle but kept talking about her days as a model in Paris. The only thing she could model would be full face motorcycle helmets. 

When she wanted something she would snap her fingers at me. They were 4 of the most manner-less people I have ever met, and I grew up on the Gold Coast!

Russians tourists remind me of a bogan from Ipswich who has won the lottery. 

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In depth article on the Russian vaccine in Feb. 8 issue of New Yorker.  Interesting fact, head of the Russia coronavirus task force states that the actual death rate is multiples of the official rate.  At the end of a long visit to Russian labs and interviewing the Russian players, the author took the vaccine in Russia.  Russians themselves are even more skeptical than westerners, including their medical doctors.

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29 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

We had a Russian guy charter one of our boats for a week. Him (he was in his late 50's), his slut 25 year old girlfriend and his two 'Bodyguards'. The bodyguards were fat ex-military types (apparently, but if they were they were in the army they must have been in the catering corps) who did nothing but play games on their phones about 20 hours a day. I have met scarier Labradors.

The guy and his slut GF only wanted to sail for two hours each day from about 3 pm until 5 pm then go to a restaurant for dinner. They would come back to the boat about midnight and then watch Russian TV shows on their Ipads until dawn, sleep, wake up at 2 in the afternoon and repeat. The Bodyguards sat in the cockpit playing with their phones all night until the boss went to sleep and then they would crash out as well. It seems people can only be kidnapped when they are awake in Russia. 

The guy talked it up like he was some kind of oligarch, but he must have been at the lower end as he bitched about how expensive Ubers were in Australia. His slut GF was a complete fuckwit, she had a head like a dropped pie and a body like a sack of shit tied in the middle but kept talking about her days as a model in Paris. The only thing she could model would be full face motorcycle helmets. 

When she wanted something she would snap her fingers at me. They were 4 of the most manner-less people I have ever met, and I grew up on the Gold Coast!

Russians tourists remind me of a bogan from Ipswich who has won the lottery. 

I think that cashed up peasants think that snapping fingers at waiters, ashing peoples carpets etc is the way "aristocracy/rich people" are supposed to behave.

How to look like you're born to rule 101. Show a total and very obvious distain for everyone poorer than you. :D Fucking peasants.

 My Peruvian  SIL is the same.

Watching too many American movies perhaps?

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8 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

I think that cashed up peasants think that snapping fingers at waiters, ashing peoples carpets etc is the way "aristocracy/rich people" are supposed to behave.

How to look like you're born to rule 101. Show a total and very obvious distain for everyone poorer than you. :D Fucking peasants.

 My Peruvian  SIL is the same.

Watching too many American movies perhaps?

Agree totally and I find most Chinese tourists to be the same. Entitled, racist (and slanty eyed) cunts. :) 

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Just now, LB 15 said:

Agree totally and I find most Chinese tourists to be the same. Entitled, racist (and slanty eyed) cunts. :) 

Depends if it's a " party reward tour" You aint endured nothing like a planeload of Chinese lower party officials going home after a two week reward tour.

I met some delightful Chinese tourists on Christmas day 2019, watching Aussies "have Christmas at Beach"

  But I will never ever catch a Cathay flight Sydney to Hong Kong ever again.  

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

Depends if it's a " party reward tour" You aint endured nothing like a planeload of Chinese lower party officials going home after a two week reward tour.

I met some delightful Chinese tourists on Christmas day 2019, watching Aussies "have Christmas at Beach"

  But I will never ever catch a Cathay flight Sydney to Hong Kong ever again.  

Yes well after what I have posted on Face book over the past 12 months I can never visit Hong Kong again. A great pity because I love the place but I don't want to be taken from the airport in a black van and have my nuts wired to a car battery until I am re-educated. 

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On 2/8/2021 at 5:13 PM, Bull City said:

I cannot imagine injecting anything from Russia (or the former Soviet Union for that matter) into my body, especially if it's called Sputnik. Call me old fashioned.

Well if you don't like that one they have a special one called Novichok.

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13 hours ago, Cristoforo said:

What?! Doesn't everyone put ethylene glycol in toothpaste?
What about the millions of toys they continually exported to USA and Europe with lead paint?  

Lead? That was the least of it. After that they switched to Cadmium and Mercury.

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2 hours ago, Cristoforo said:

Maybe if you were a 3 hole girl you might find a man 

And then what do you do with it?

Ooo I know, send it back with a "Unfit for purpose" sticker. 

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13 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Maybe you should just stop being cheap and buy American,  and heaven help you, buy less?

When I grocery shop, I like to buy peeled garlic. The other day I bought some, and when I opened it a day or so later, I saw that it was from China! That garlic traveled half way around the world! It's insane.

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12 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

  But I will never ever catch a Cathay flight Sydney to Hong Kong ever again.  

Do they cook on the plane?

What is this thread about anyway?

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5 hours ago, Bull City said:

When I grocery shop, I like to buy peeled garlic. The other day I bought some, and when I opened it a day or so later, I saw that it was from China! That garlic traveled half way around the world! It's insane.

The insanity won't end until container ships are required to be emissions-free, the crews well-paid and trained, and the ships properly constructed, insured and flagged before they are permitted entry.   When shipping costs go up as a consequence, jobs will come back to NA.  

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1 hour ago, Rain Man said:

The insanity won't end until container ships are required to be emissions-free, the crews well-paid and trained, and the ships properly constructed, insured and flagged before they are permitted entry.   When shipping costs go up as a consequence, jobs will come back to NA.  

Why do we even want to be peeling garlics.

They can buy our planes and cars and we will buy their peeled garlics.

 

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2 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

Why do we even want to be peeling garlics.

They can buy our planes and cars and we will buy their peeled garlics.

 

We want our robots to be peeling garlics, not theirs.  We want the garlics to be grown here too.

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12 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

We want our robots to be peeling garlics, not theirs.  We want the garlics to be grown here too.

 

They are, see Christopher Ranch Garlic from Gilroy, sponsor of the Garlic Festival the last 35 or so years

 

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2 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

To be more preciser .

Ah no, I was quite precise.

The Vacuosity is virulent, venal and occasionally violent depending on the vapid vagrants venting. 

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2 hours ago, LionessRacing said:

They are, see Christopher Ranch Garlic from Gilroy, sponsor of the Garlic Festival the last 35 or so years

Those are my first choice, but they are becoming more and more rare at my grocery store.

I will complain to my store.

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On 2/11/2021 at 10:33 AM, LB 15 said:

 

Have you been locked in the galley with nothing but your laptop and a bulb of garlic again?

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On 2/11/2021 at 7:57 AM, EYESAILOR said:

Why do we even want to be peeling garlics.

They can buy our planes and cars and we will buy their peeled garlics.

 

Garlics?

I don't think garlics is a plural form of garlic.

You have one clove of garlic or five cloves of garlic. This being part of a bulb (or head) of garlic.

One does not ask for a kilo (or a pound) of Garlics.

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On 2/10/2021 at 11:21 AM, Rain Man said:

The insanity won't end until container ships are required to be emissions-free, the crews well-paid and trained, and the ships properly constructed, insured and flagged before they are permitted entry.   When shipping costs go up as a consequence, jobs will come back to NA.  

Hence the Silk Road project, at least for China and Eurasia.  And then the Siberia - Alaska tunnel (China will own most of Siberia soon, anyway...) ?  Less shipping containers floating around....  

edit- and then the Kuril Islands tunnel to Japan, and thence to China.

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3 minutes ago, Amati said:

Hence the Silk Road project, at least for China and Eurasia.  And then the Siberia - Alaska tunnel?  Less shipping containers floating around....  

Perhaps a new era of sail-powered cargo ships?

https://gcaptain.com/michelin-commits-to-shipping-tires-on-sail-powered-cargo-ships/

This seems pie in the sky:

https://gcaptain.com/tesla-of-the-seas-british-company-unveils-zero-emission-ship-concept/

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4 hours ago, Rain Man said:

Although it might be faster to have the Italians do the shipping?  (And I like Pirellis)

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On 2/9/2021 at 5:34 PM, Bull City said:

Lex, I think LB was being sarcastic ("It was in all the papers.") and he was making the point that "not communist" can still be authoritarian/totalitarian. LB is a pretty strange guy though. You never know. ;)

Although according to the OP, Sputnik offers "complete protection against hospitalisation and death." Maybe we should all get it. Sail Forever! The Social Security Trust Fund would be screwed.

Yeah, well, you know me.  Cold War vet and I always thought the problem was communists but now I'm thinking part of it was Russian imperialists too, who just seem to try on different ideologies and hobbies ("Oligarch?  Da...") like the rest of us grab a Mount Gay hat.  There is still no news in Pravda, and no truth in Tass, and vice versa.  Never mind the RT. 

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On 2/9/2021 at 9:13 AM, Bull City said:

I cannot imagine injecting anything from Russia (or the former Soviet Union for that matter) into my body, especially if it's called Sputnik. Call me old fashioned.

I dunno man, Grigory Rodchenkov was doing great things.

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7 hours ago, dorydude said:

A reminder that in 2009,  Pfizer was fined $ 2.3 billion, the largest fine ever imposed by the courts of the United States on a pharmaceutical group. It was found guilty of fraudulent commercial practices.

In 2010, AstraZeneca was fined 520 million euros for recommending unauthorized use of a drug. In 2011, Merck payed a fine of $ 628.36 million to resolve allegations of off-label marketing and false statements about the cardiovascular safety of a drug.

In 2013, a fine of 1.62 billion euros was imposed on Johnson & Johnson to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from allegations relating to the prescription of three drugs including promotion for uses not approved as safe and effective by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and payment of kickbacks to physicians and to the nation’s largest long-term care pharmacy provider.                                  

I guess I was mistaken: You never hear any allegation of wrong doing by a Russian pharma company.

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On 2/8/2021 at 5:13 PM, Bull City said:

I cannot imagine injecting anything from Russia (or the former Soviet Union for that matter) into my body, especially if it's called Sputnik. Call me old fashioned.

16 hours ago, darth reapius said:

I dunno man, Grigory Rodchenkov was doing great things.

I actually heard Dr. Fauci say something intelligent the other day about Efficacy.

You cannot rate the vaccines against each other based on the Efficacy rating because they were tested separately not head to head. It will take a few years after vaccinations to see where the virus rears it's ugly head again to see which vaccine worked better. Then there is life style to factor in also.

 

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