Your Mom 1,044 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 hours ago, Jean-Baptiste said: Is much more civilized having espresso and croissants and steering around islands than doing same at 0200/middle of the night. Didn't realize could navigate between those islands north of the bottom mark. Mom was east of me which seemed an error until it wasn't and then I was taking the long way around. Grrr..... C'est la vie! I made the same mistake the first time I did this race. Most people do. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 583 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 hours ago, Jean-Baptiste said: Didn't realize could navigate between those islands north of the bottom mark. Mom was east of me which seemed an error until it wasn't and then I was taking the long way around Depends what time of day you get there. Let's say I wouldn't leave it up to the inflatable autopilot at 03:30 in the morning. Buffalo girls around the outside is safe ....... zzzzzzzzzzzz (and costs less than hitting the bricks) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 34 minutes ago, Your Mom said: I made the same mistake the first time I did this race. Most people do. Live and learn, filed away for next time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 583 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Speaking of bricks @Tunnel Rat I think you just found La Desirade. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shorthanded 733 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, Laser1 said: Speaking of bricks @Tunnel Rat I think you just found La Desirade. My fault. I didn’t give him inside room. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bump-n-Grind 1,116 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 damn.. I'm gonna need a whomper to catch some of you fuckers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 53 minutes ago, Your Mom said: I made the same mistake the first time I did this race. Most people do. Live and learn, filed away for next time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 I used to fly the CDG Guadeloupe or Martinique route in winter, was nice change from dreary Bretagne. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hike, Bitches! 310 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, Jean-Baptiste said: Live and learn, filed away for next time. Is this around marker #8 ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 583 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, Hike, Bitches! said: Is this around marker #8 ?? Yup Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hike, Bitches! 310 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 awesome..I am not there yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 47 minutes ago, Hike, Bitches! said: Is this around marker #8 ?? Oui, can slice corner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 583 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Mom still stuck @ 11th (0.86 Nm) with a few very determined Frenchmen/Swiss in front of him. I remember from the Vendee VR blurb that Buddha is a couple, each with their own boats, that stand/swap watches during the night. Whats the plan mate ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,044 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 52 minutes ago, Laser1 said: Mom still stuck @ 11th (0.86 Nm) with a few very determined Frenchmen/Swiss in front of him. I remember from the Vendee VR blurb that Buddha is a couple, each with their own boats, that stand/swap watches during the night. Whats the plan mate ? Tipapacheri is the other half of that couple. They've been 1-2 in the world rankings a good chunk of the last year or so. They're very good and usually sail almost identical courses. Most of the top 10 are very familiar to me... boats who have done very well for years. Tough to bear. For marks 10 and 11, I'm just trying to stay clean. There aren't any passing opportunities, aside from hoping someone else makes a mistake. I'm tentatively trying to sail the leg from 10 to 11 without changing sails from C0, which would be a small gain on anyone who changes to LG and back. But sailing exactly TWA 130 with LG for a while would give better boatspeed. Not sure if it's enough to overcome the two sailchanges or not. Anyway... I'll probably get to mark 11 between 8th and 15th... Most likely still 11th... And then will see what I can do on the final upwind leg. I'll have the advantage of it being the middle of the night in Europe and simply evening here. But... I also need to cook dinner, help my older son get to a couple events, and help manage a toddler, so... it's not like I'll be sitting in front of it micro-tuning my VMG angles. Update: I was approaching Mark 10 and didn't want to jinx myself by posting this before rounding it... I cut the mark very close, and was worried I might miss it. You can't win races like this without pushing the limits, so it's always somewhat of a war of attrition as boats run aground or accidentally cut marks. Anyway... Mark 10 has turned green for me, and I'm successfully still flying C0, so I'm happy. Looks like I picked up Rafal, and got about 0.02 on the leader. I doubt I can win this thing... But I'll try like hell to pick up a couple. Shockwave and BigBalls are doing a nice job of making me work hard just to win the SA group! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 583 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 9 minutes ago, Your Mom said: I cut the mark very close... How do you do that? You seem to put it on the beach, or around the buoy, on every corner without hitting. Have you got an extra zoom level beyond 1Nm ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kapt'n Kirk 33 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 TR coming by you rn. Need a tow off the beach? well I spoke too soon 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hike, Bitches! 310 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 @Laser1, I would assume you have to do that with a couple waypoints (also not turning more than necessary for a sailchange/maneuver slow down if you can avoid it) so you aren't stuck in that dumb 10 minute window waiting for the mark to turn green after you pass it then maneuver. Get the WP set as close as you can and let the servers turn you when you hit the waypoint. That is just my dumb guess back here in 37,xxx I have set up some waypoints to slice around #8. Looks like I'll come into it about 43° on port, tack, and come out at 41° on stbd if the forecast is correct. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,044 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 44 minutes ago, Laser1 said: How do you do that? You seem to put it on the beach, or around the buoy, on every corner without hitting. Have you got an extra zoom level beyond 1Nm ? The simple answer is to use waypoints. All coastal stuff, and tight buoy roundings, need waypoints. Which of course is almost impossible if you're running on credits because with credits you can only have two waypoints planned at any given time. But.. to really cut it close, you need to be playing on a Google Chrome browser and running the VR Dashboard extension. (There's a link to it in Zezo). The Dashboard shows you your specific coordinates, and the specific coordinates of your waypoints, as well as detailed data from each 10-minute update about things like windspeed, direction, boatspeed, etc. The piece of the Dashboard that matters for this question is its Map tab. In the Map, it shows the buoys, and if you hover over a buoy, it shows you the precise coordinates of the buoy. If you're running on waypoints, it will also show your waypoints on the map. So, for buoys like number 10, it's possible to try to cut it very very close, as I did this time. But... It's risky. Sometimes you'll think you nailed it and VR will fail to validate your rounding. So don't push it exceptionally close unless you're willing to risk the possibility that you might have to go back and re-round. (Also, be patient... wait until the next 10-minute cycle after your roudning, and then close VR and re-open, before deciding to turn back... sometimes it takes 10 minutes for it to confirm your rounding). But!!! DON'T expect that to work with land. The game's cartography isn't precisely identical to the real world, and the Dashboard map is the real world's Google map. So you have to use your eyes in the game to decide how close to land to go, not count on the land in the Dashboard to tell you if it's safe. And then it's a risk/reward decision. If you're trying to win, you have to take some risks and hope to not get lucky. If you're content with 50th or 100th, then take more margin because 0.06 nm on a rounding won't be the key to your result. If you're running on credits without full options, just have fun and don't worry about trying to cut it insanely close. It's actually pretty realistic... If you were racing a real Class 40 in a one-design fleet of 50,000 boats, how close to the beach would you risk sailing? And if you push it, would you be surprised if your keel found a rock? 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 583 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 10 minutes ago, Your Mom said: to really cut it close, you need to be playing on a Google Chrome browser and running the VR Dashboard extension.............. If you're content with 50th or 100th, then take more margin because 0.06 nm on a rounding won't be the key to your result. If you're running on credits without full options, just have fun and don't worry about trying to cut it insanely close. Haha, you nailed it in one. MkI eye ball here with slow internet, a proper day job for approx 10 hrs/day incl. travel and a laptop way past it's sell by date. Good fun and chuffed with my 992 for the moment. I guess top 10 will be for my retirement days 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Your Mom said: Tipapacheri is the other half of that couple. They've been 1-2 in the world rankings a good chunk of the last year or so. They're very good and usually sail almost identical courses. Most of the top 10 are very familiar to me... boats who have done very well for years. MCES and some others in France are I believe professional esport teams. I not aware of how this works or intricacies but I think Fortnite and F1 and perhaps other game/sports. I am 70 years and retired, esport somewhat mysterious to a person my age. I do routing without assistance (hangover from mini classe years) but am learning Zezo now and hope at least some implementation in future. Very informative post Mom. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,044 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 My decision to try to avoid changing from C0 to LG was a poor decision, and I kept going a long time after I should have given up on it. By the time I gave up, I had to sail TWA 138 to get around mark 11... About a knot slower than the fleet for half an hour. that was painful. The boats who went straight to LG and TWA 130 after mark 10 made the best gains. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,187 Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 Good morning. First up, my apologies to @mred, I missed your initial post. You have been added. Second, BUGGER! Third, what did I say about those f@%#ing programmations. I have never known them to be so far off. Ho hum. Way points on near pointy bits from now on. Fourth, even though I was asleep, I am sure that Shorty stuck his elbows out and gave me a nudge. Fifth (and least important ) - it is damn close at the front - three boats within 0.06, ranked 11th to 17th OA. Well sailed gents! Rankings - most people should be finished by tomorrow, so I will give a wrap up then. 25-Feb 00:30UTC Place SA Name Boat Name Dist to Leader 1 Blue Mountain YC shockwave11 27.66 2 Your Mom Your Mom SA 0.02 3 Gufmiester BigBalls 0.06 4 viper43 viper640 4.68 5 Jean-Baptiste HelloKitty-Iceland 10.1 6 Laser1 Hotfoot 13.3 7 Flaming Flaming 13.7 8 mred mistered 21.7 9 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 43.7 10 Headntac Ryoochi 52 11 Shorthanded Shorty 54.5 12 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 83.2 13 mad Sticky 83.4 14 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 100.5 15 SteveJH Stephen_1987 106.7 16 Bump-n-Grind SA_Bump 113.6 17 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 123.1 18 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 125.3 19 Iced Tea rule69 141.5 20 PB2207 Chi-2207 148.8 21 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 180.2 22 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 462.7 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hike, Bitches! 310 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Wow. I had never noticed the Zezo map before. Do I have to follow myself to see myself on the map? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,044 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 39 minutes ago, Hike, Bitches! said: Wow. I had never noticed the Zezo map before. Do I have to follow myself to see myself on the map? Nope. There are controls in the Dashboard Fleet page that control whose position will be shown, but yours should always be there. You can turn others' off to simplify your view. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viper43 20 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Lost 100 spots on the turn at Redonda for my kids 4th birthday party. Poor planning. #priorities 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 43 minutes ago, viper43 said: Lost 100 spots on the turn at Redonda for my kids 4th birthday party. Poor planning. #priorities Did you have cake? Good cake mjght be worth 100 spots. I almost hit Redonda, set a timer to check as needed to go a bit west, apparently wind came up and I got there early and had to gybe around, 50 places poof! 0334 here in Corse, banished to one of the spare bedrooms after it was suggested violence possible if any late night yachting disturbed ma femme. :-) 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bump-n-Grind 1,116 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 yeah, a 4 yr old's bday cake trumps this shit LOL 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,044 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 My final move to try to regain some spots was to tack as early as possible and then pinch like a pervert to try to make the finish line. I think I can fetch, but of course the boats who tacked later will footing down over me... Not sure if I can regain the top 10 or not. I got to 10th at mark 10, and then was something like 18th at mark 11, having lost half a mile or so. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,187 Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 24 minutes ago, Jean-Baptiste said: Did you have cake? Good cake mjght be worth 100 spots. I almost hit Redonda, set a timer to check as needed to go a bit west, apparently wind came up and I got there early and had to gybe around, 50 places poof! 0334 here in Corse, banished to one of the spare bedrooms after it was suggested violence possible if any late night yachting disturbed ma femme. :-) I think our wives would get on well, although yours seems on the gentle side! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 4 minutes ago, Your Mom said: My final move to try to regain some spots was to tack as early as possible and then pinch like a pervert to try to make the finish line. I think I can fetch, but of course the boats who tacked later will footing down over me... Not sure if I can regain the top 10 or not. I got to 10th at mark 10, and then was something like 18th at mark 11, having lost half a mile or so. Allez Mom! I tacked early going way north as appeared more wind, gained 150 places so it may just be working. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,187 Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 Hey @chuso007 it looks like you did your gybe set a bit prematurely. Trusting the programmations? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 6 minutes ago, Tunnel Rat said: I think our wives would get on well, although yours seems on the gentle side! Icelandic, her Viking berserker tendencies mostly under control! Are you in Hong Kong? Used to fly that trip, I miss the checkerboard target approach into Kai Tak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viper43 20 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 28 minutes ago, Bump-n-Grind said: yeah, a 4 yr old's bday cake trumps this shit LOL Yeah man it was a Thomas the Train cake with some good ass ice cream. I was working two FaceTime calls with family members out of town while singing and opening presents. I’ve also been sleeping in the extra bedroom cause Wifey thinks this fake sailing shit is ridiculous. Gotta pick your battles and live to sail another day! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hike, Bitches! 310 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Your Mom said: My final move to try to regain some spots was to tack as early as possible and then pinch like a pervert to try to make the finish line. I think I can fetch, but of course the boats who tacked later will footing down over me... Not sure if I can regain the top 10 or not. I got to 10th at mark 10, and then was something like 18th at mark 11, having lost half a mile or so. I have no idea what the polars are on these boats but VR is showing you sailing at 38°. That definitely seems pinched based on the 'green zone'...Good Luck, @Your Mom, you picked up a few spots with that move anyway. i'll see you and everyone else at the virtual bar in a day or two! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,044 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 minute ago, Hike, Bitches! said: I have no idea what the polars are on these boats but VR is showing you sailing at 38°. http://toxcct.free.fr/polars/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,044 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 BigBalls pipped Your Mom by 10 seconds, making the pass in the final 10-minute cycle. Nice work! Good race, folks. Time to catch up on sleep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,187 Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 ..... and Big Balls sneaks it from Your Mom by 10 secs after 2.5 days of racing. Good battle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,187 Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 Just now, Your Mom said: BB pipped me by 10 seconds, making the pass in the final 10-minute cycle. Nice work! Good race, folks. Time to catch up on sleep. SNAP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuso007 659 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 3 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said: Hey @chuso007 it looks like you did your gybe set a bit prematurely. Trusting the programmations? Damn... just woke up. I have to go upwind for 6 hrs. to get back to that mark. That sucks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bump-n-Grind 1,116 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck... missed a fucking mark... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 583 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Glad that's done !! Looks like a train crash at Redonda. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuso007 659 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 21 minutes ago, Bump-n-Grind said: fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck... missed a fucking mark... Wlecome to the club Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, chuso007 said: Damn... just woke up. I have to go upwind for 6 hrs. to get back to that mark. That sucks. Parked on the last turning mark for me, which is probably the best option available. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuso007 659 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I even gave it a few minutes of slack on the programming, but it wasn't enough. Well, can't do anything about it now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bump-n-Grind 1,116 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 sure glad I didn't pay anything to suffer this abuse LOL 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chuso007 659 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Same here 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flaming 44 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Just inside the top 1k, didn't quite pip laser. Happy with that after my grounding early in the race. Overall though, I'm not sure that this race is well suited to the VR format. Steady breeze and short legs made the tactical options very limited, and the biggest gains were to be had by shaving the corners as close as you dared. Think I'll stick to the Ocean courses in the future. Looking at the 3D images of my boat creaming along at 13 knots with the temperature saying 25 degrees though... Made me want to actually do the race... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SteveJH 8 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I stuffed up the start badly, started with three programations in, forgot to add new way points before going to work about 6 hours after the start. Remembered at lunchtime and logged in to find myself well north of Anguila in a theoretical 86,000th position. Jumped back to the rescue ship in position 46k, up to 17k now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Fun race, quite a change from Vendée or Verne but enjoyed and also enjoy comments/interaction here. Thanks to Tunnel Rat for doing the classification. Overcoming one grounding, one program failure, personal misjudgment (2x), sleep deprivation, mocking by my spouse, three daughters and my 6 year old grand daughter I finish in place 809. Merci à tous, bon travail et bonne chance. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hike, Bitches! 310 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I guess I didn't pay enough attention to the VR Dashboard in teh Vendee. I can't figure out how to get it to display data every 10 minutes like Your Mom mentioned. When I first fire it up it gets a status, and then if I make any kind of course correction I get that in the log (bascially whack the big green checkmark in the game), but otherwise, I don't get any additional data in my dashboard..I did figure out how to see Friends on the map, and I saw myself on there too. Baby steps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 minute ago, Hike, Bitches! said: I guess I didn't pay enough attention to the VR Dashboard in teh Vendee> I can't figure out how to get it to display data every 10 minutes like Your Mom mentioned. When I first fire it up it gets a status, and then if I make any kind of course correction (bascially whack the big green checkmark in the game), but otherwise, I don't get any additional data in my dashboard..I did figure out how to see Friends on the map, and I saw myself on there too. Baby steps. I do on iPad seem not work even with Chrome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hike, Bitches! 310 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Just now, Jean-Baptiste said: I do on iPad seem not work even with Chrome. I have always thought the VR Dashboard was a little quirky, but you cannot complain about free. Sometimes I have to click on the extension and reload the game more than once to get it to update the Dashboard. Have not tried it on anything except a PC. For middle of the night course corrections, app on my phone. I don't trek across the house to the computer anymore at night. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 21 minutes ago, Hike, Bitches! said: I have always thought the VR Dashboard was a little quirky, but you cannot complain about free. Sometimes I have to click on the extension and reload the game more than once to get it to update the Dashboard. Have not tried it on anything except a PC. For middle of the night course corrections, app on my phone. I don't trek across the house to the computer anymore at night. I have solved the trek across house issue, ma femme says sail as wish in own bedroom. :-) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bump-n-Grind 1,116 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I have quite a list of lessons learned! probably could have done better if I'd remembered what time the start was I sat there at the line for about 6 hours with flogging sails play with the interface at least once before the start of the race!! don't trust resolution at mark roundings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! give a mark at least a mile don't get married edit: an observation; they went to all the trouble of building the VR 3D view, you'd think they could have added the terrain of the islands, and marks into that to make it more intersting... toss in a cruise ship every now then!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bump-n-Grind 1,116 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 ok.. it says I've finished.. I dont believe it for a minute.. this fucker is gonna drop me back on Barbuda, I just know it!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hike, Bitches! 310 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 39 minutes ago, Bump-n-Grind said: ok.. it says I've finished.. I dont believe it for a minute.. this fucker is gonna drop me back on Barbuda, I just know it!!! Yeah...+1 on testing the interface, and there are some differences between this one and the Vendee I just completed. Agree on mark/island roundings, you need to zoom all the way into 1NM scale to avoid hard bits and turning marks. The little projected line for your course does change based on zoom level. You may be clear at 2nm zoom, but at 1nm zoom you might be smacking into something. I also missed the start, but I pre-set myself on port tack and ended up down at marker #9 & on the hard near Guadaloupe, so that is really where I started..then I was headed toward Africa for a while too. Ah well..something to pass the time while I think about de-winterizing the 4KSB. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,044 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Regarding Dashboard... In-game, in the top right corner, you get a refresh button once every 10 minutes. When you click that and it refreshes the data (or if you exit the game and re-enter), it'll post the latest data to your Dashboard Log. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hike, Bitches! 310 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 @Your Mom - I noticed that refresh button...is that new? I don't remember that from races before this one.? ? ? And thanks..20 minutes from the finish I whack refresh and it does in fact refresh the dashboard...lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 13 hours ago, Bump-n-Grind said: sure glad I didn't pay anything to suffer this abuse LOL I’m sure I remember doing some races in the Med a couple of years ago that would have been almost impossible if the platform was like this. I managed to do them on the cheap using the program and free way points. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 hours ago, Bump-n-Grind said: ok.. it says I've finished.. I dont believe it for a minute.. this fucker is gonna drop me back on Barbuda, I just know it!!! You’re enjoying this, I can tell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Hike, Bitches! said: Yeah...+1 on testing the interface, and there are some differences between this one and the Vendee I just completed. Agree on mark/island roundings, you need to zoom all the way into 1NM scale to avoid hard bits and turning marks. The little projected line for your course does change based on zoom level. You may be clear at 2nm zoom, but at 1nm zoom you might be smacking into something. I also missed the start, but I pre-set myself on port tack and ended up down at marker #9 & on the hard near Guadaloupe, so that is really where I started..then I was headed toward Africa for a while too. Ah well..something to pass the time while I think about de-winterizing the 4KSB. That’s always been a feature, I’ve had loads of “where’s Wouter” moments by not zooming in playing this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,044 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 31 minutes ago, Hike, Bitches! said: @Your Mom - I noticed that refresh button...is that new? I don't remember that from races before this one.? ? ? And thanks..20 minutes from the finish I whack refresh and it does in fact refresh the dashboard...lol It was introduced sometime around the start of Vendee. Maybe a month or two prior. Presumably to reduce the load on their servers when they were anticipating hundreds of thousands of entries for that event. Before that, it auto-refreshed every 5 minutes. Now it doesn't refresh unless you click the button. Your boat moves, but its position may have slight inaccuracies (and the rest of the fleet doesn't move). When you click the button, it syncs your position with the server-level computation (which is what matters for things like mark roundings and groundings). When they first introduced it, its frequency was the same as the auto-refresh... 5 minutes. But then the server got overloaded anyway, so they moved it to 10. I don't know if they'll ever move it back or not. But yeah... I can't imagine doing this race without knowing about that... The only other way to accurately know your position would be to close and re-open the race to force a refresh. Must have been extremely frustrating at times. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bump-n-Grind 1,116 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 28 minutes ago, Your Mom said: It was introduced sometime around the start of Vendee. Maybe a month or two prior. Presumably to reduce the load on their servers when they were anticipating hundreds of thousands of entries for that event. Before that, it auto-refreshed every 5 minutes. Now it doesn't refresh unless you click the button. Your boat moves, but its position may have slight inaccuracies (and the rest of the fleet doesn't move). When you click the button, it syncs your position with the server-level computation (which is what matters for things like mark roundings and groundings). When they first introduced it, its frequency was the same as the auto-refresh... 5 minutes. But then the server got overloaded anyway, so they moved it to 10. I don't know if they'll ever move it back or not. But yeah... I can't imagine doing this race without knowing about that... The only other way to accurately know your position would be to close and re-open the race to force a refresh. Must have been extremely frustrating at times. understatement of the week! and I thought the Vendee tracking map was lame!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viper43 20 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Your Mom said: noticed that refresh button...is that new? I don't remember that from races before this one.? ? ? I have seen that refresh button too but it wasn’t part of my interface in the 600. As long as my WiFi connection was active and the screen didn’t go to screensaver for inactivity the boat progressed on screen one min at a time. There was also the trailing server boat location that updated automatically every 10 min on the 2’s and a few seconds. If I remember correctly that was the same interface as the Vendee. I don’t know how, why, or when the manual update button went away but glad it wasn’t part of my experience this time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 3 minutes ago, viper43 said: I have seen that refresh button too but it wasn’t part of my interface in the 600. As long as my WiFi connection was active and the screen didn’t go to screensaver for inactivity the boat progressed on screen one min at a time. There was also the trailing server boat location that updated automatically every 10 min on the 2’s and a few seconds. If I remember correctly that was the same interface as the Vendee. I don’t know how, why, or when the manual update button went away but glad it wasn’t part of my experience this time Had more issues with the vendee and the 600 than ever before. Hopefully they’ll sort it out before the next inshore race, don’t fancy short tacking along the English coast. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viper43 20 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 6 minutes ago, mad said: Had more issues with the vendee and the 600 than ever before. So do you think the game is better with the manual updates or auto? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 minutes ago, mad said: Had more issues with the vendee and the 600 than ever before. Hopefully they’ll sort it out before the next inshore race, don’t fancy short tacking along the English coast. I print out screenshots of the Regatta map and figure out with pencil and protractor. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,187 Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 Good morning, All but two have finished and Screaming Eagle does not seem to intend on finishing. As pointed out yesterday it was very close at the pointy end - @Gufmiester took the win by 10 secs over @Your Mom with @Shockwave only 59 secs further back. All of them finished in the top 20. Bloody well played. For myself, I managed to achieve one of my goals which was to finish ahead of @daan62 (who did not play) but I failed on my other goal to only hit one island, I hit two, and the quite spectacular overstand on Mark 2 was equally frustrating. I have done quite a lot of these races and the inaccuracy of the programmations was something new and annoying. I went from what I guess would have been a reasonable position approaching Mark 2 to 53,xxx, then back up to 6,xxx before hitting Island No 9 and back to 25,xxx and finally finishing at 17,283rd. This experience has made me very unwilling to pay for a full pack in the future. Especially for a coastal race. Anyway, thanks for putting some fun into proceedings. 26-Feb 02:00UTC Place SA Name Boat Name DTF Days Hours Minutes Seconds Overall Finish 1 Gufmiester BigBalls 2 12 56 27 11 2 Your Mom Your Mom SA 10 12 3 Blue Mountain YC shockwave11 1 9 16 4 viper43 viper640 1 5 56 490 5 Jean-Baptiste HelloKitty-Iceland 1 38 1 808 6 Laser1 Hotfoot 1 47 45 910 7 Flaming Flaming 1 52 48 969 8 mred mistered 2 23 46 1,328 9 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 4 9 26 3,073 10 Headntac Ryoochi 5 1 20 4,561 11 Shorthanded Shorty 5 6 27 4,732 12 mad Sticky 8 22 21 13,421 13 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 8 35 1 14,117 14 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 9 37 5 17,283 15 SteveJH Stephen_1987 9 38 18 17,354 16 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 10 21 20 19,113 17 Iced Tea rule69 11 29 27 21,468 18 Bump-n-Grind SA_Bump 15 8 26 26,720 19 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 17 3 10 28,757 20 PB2207 Chi-2207 20 52 19 32,026 21 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 20.57 22 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 469.8 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 583 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 8 hours ago, mad said: Had more issues with the vendee and the 600 than ever before. Hopefully they’ll sort it out before the next inshore race, don’t fancy short tacking along the English coast. I don't know about before but I have worn out the screen pixels where the refresh button sits. If that didn' give the desired result I rebooted to restart the game to get an accurate idea where I was closing in on the bricks. My poor hard drive nearly melted For Fastnet I'll probably take 3 days off and lock myself in the spare bedroom with a few bags of crisps and a box of Merlot and hand steer around the track. If swmbo comes in and throws a bucket of water over me from time to time it'll be just like the real thing. Edit: Thanks Rat. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flaming 44 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Was I the only one solely playing on the mobile app? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,187 Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 6 minutes ago, Flaming said: Was I the only one solely playing on the mobile app? I use my desktop when I'm at work, when I'm not at work I'm on the mobile. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 3 hours ago, Flaming said: Was I the only one solely playing on the mobile app? All on iPad app. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viper43 20 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Flaming-like you I sailed my first year on only a phone. Then I saw the Vendee thread TR started before the race and found a whole new level of addiction to this game. Using a desktop/laptop and routing with zezo has definitely helped me improve. Plus with the comments from this group of pirates, and actual useful tips and tricks Mom gives us I feel confident being able to compete. I do use the phone only to adjust and check when away from the MacBook Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Your Mom 1,044 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 The app on the phone is great as a supplement so that you aren't tied to your desktop machine. For long offshore races, it works fine most of the time as your primary device if you prefer. But for tight coastal races like C600, you simply can't get the screen resolution on a phone to compete as well as you can with a desktop. And if you want to use Dashboard, that doesn't run on phones (that I know of). Of course, that only matters if you're racing near the front. If you're further back, have fun on whatever device you prefer. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 583 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Your Mom said: Of course, that only matters if you're racing near the front. If you're further back, have fun on whatever device you prefer. ...... For us mere mortals in the cheap seats you mean ... hahahahahaha !! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 20 hours ago, viper43 said: So do you think the game is better with the manual updates or auto? Its way worse, the updates aren't as accurate as before. I'm trying to find one of the races in the med through a narrow passage that would have stopped almost all. They had a platform that worked well, and have downgraded it in upgrades. Sound familiar? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 20 hours ago, Jean-Baptiste said: I print out screenshots of the Regatta map and figure out with pencil and protractor. That's an impressive commitment of time and paper, I do this for fun and relaxation, this was just a pain in ass. Its one of the few times when you really can blame your tools. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 583 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, mad said: I'm trying to find one of the races in the med through a narrow passage that would have stopped almost all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, mad said: That's an impressive commitment of time and paper, I do this for fun and relaxation, this was just a pain in ass. Its one of the few times when you really can blame your tools. Oh is all good, lack of attention, general sloth and poor decisions my outcome. Is not tools, just a poor workman. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 227 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 hours ago, Laser1 said: ...... For us mere mortals in the cheap seats you mean ... hahahahahaha !! Oui! I speak to my 96 year old mother on her birthday today, she quite sailor in years past, I explain I virtual sailing and lose to sailor named Your Mom. Her response: "As it should be, listen to your mother" Then she says can do on iPad, I will get app! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 20 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said: Good morning, All but two have finished and Screaming Eagle does not seem to intend on finishing. As pointed out yesterday it was very close at the pointy end - @Gufmiester took the win by 10 secs over @Your Mom with @Shockwave only 59 secs further back. All of them finished in the top 20. Bloody well played. For myself, I managed to achieve one of my goals which was to finish ahead of @daan62 (who did not play) but I failed on my other goal to only hit one island, I hit two, and the quite spectacular overstand on Mark 2 was equally frustrating. I have done quite a lot of these races and the inaccuracy of the programmations was something new and annoying. I went from what I guess would have been a reasonable position approaching Mark 2 to 53,xxx, then back up to 6,xxx before hitting Island No 9 and back to 25,xxx and finally finishing at 17,283rd. This experience has made me very unwilling to pay for a full pack in the future. Especially for a coastal race. Anyway, thanks for putting some fun into proceedings. 26-Feb 02:00UTC Place SA Name Boat Name DTF Days Hours Minutes Seconds Overall Finish 1 Gufmiester BigBalls 2 12 56 27 11 2 Your Mom Your Mom SA 10 12 3 Blue Mountain YC shockwave11 1 9 16 4 viper43 viper640 1 5 56 490 5 Jean-Baptiste HelloKitty-Iceland 1 38 1 808 6 Laser1 Hotfoot 1 47 45 910 7 Flaming Flaming 1 52 48 969 8 mred mistered 2 23 46 1,328 9 Marty6 Cambodunum_VSC 4 9 26 3,073 10 Headntac Ryoochi 5 1 20 4,561 11 Shorthanded Shorty 5 6 27 4,732 12 mad Sticky 8 22 21 13,421 13 Kapt'n Kirk prowler_1-SA 8 35 1 14,117 14 Tunnel Rat Mongrel 9 37 5 17,283 15 SteveJH Stephen_1987 9 38 18 17,354 16 Wet Hog WetHog-SA 10 21 20 19,113 17 Iced Tea rule69 11 29 27 21,468 18 Bump-n-Grind SA_Bump 15 8 26 26,720 19 Hike, Bitches HikeBitches 17 3 10 28,757 20 PB2207 Chi-2207 20 52 19 32,026 21 chuso007 Lateral Festivis 20.57 22 RIGO Screaming_Eagle 469.8 Thanks TR for scoresheet of shame, just happy I beat you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 13 hours ago, Tunnel Rat said: 13 hours ago, Flaming said: Was I the only one solely playing on the mobile app? I use my desktop when I'm at work, when I'm not at work I'm on the mobile. I used every option available going between work and home and didn't notice any difference. I can go in the wrong direction and hit land on any platform. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 3 hours ago, Laser1 said: A bit further south, but the result would have been the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,967 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Jean-Baptiste said: Oh is all good, lack of attention, general sloth and poor decisions my outcome. Is not tools, just a poor workman. You may not have used the tools earlier it seems, you now have a selection of adze, hammer and axe, just with no handle. Did you use this platform 2 or 3 years ago? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tunnel Rat 1,187 Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 3 hours ago, mad said: Thanks TR for scoresheet of shame, just happy I beat you. to you too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bump-n-Grind 1,116 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 18 hours ago, Flaming said: Was I the only one solely playing on the mobile app? only on desktop here
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