Remodel 512 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Maybe there's hope yet for centrists: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-party-exclusive/exclusive-dozens-of-former-republican-officials-in-talks-to-form-anti-trump-third-party-idUSKBN2AB07P Quote Link to post Share on other sites
learningJ24 342 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 15 minutes ago, Remodel said: Maybe there's hope yet for centrists: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-party-exclusive/exclusive-dozens-of-former-republican-officials-in-talks-to-form-anti-trump-third-party-idUSKBN2AB07P To become a tiny minority party, smaller than the Greens? We may get to see the dream of those chanting "we need more political parties" come true with potentially the same results as last time (extended one party rule). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bristol-Cruiser 1,098 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I think those involved in these talks have access to lots of money so that is a start. Of course, so did Ross Perot and we saw what led to. I suspect the Dems would be very supportive of this or anything else that messes up the right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 3,459 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Bristol-Cruiser said: I think those involved in these talks have access to lots of money so that is a start. Of course, so did Ross Perot and we saw what led to. I suspect the Dems would be very supportive of this or anything else that messes up the right. Actually, this is exactly the type of effort that, if it gets traction, will get the notice of one of the major parties and possibly get absorbed into their platform/approach. I applaud it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bletso 8 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 For the US to have three or more viable parties it would have to change its election system, i.e. Get rid of electoral college Set a systems whereby one candidate has to have at least 51% of popular vote. This would necessitate the possibility of a run off election for the two leaders. NEVER HAPPEN Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kent_island_sailor 3,708 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I would like to see a center-right vs center left duopoly with fringe left and fringe right on the margins, it would beat the center-right vs escaped mental patients we have now all to hell 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerseyguy 1,269 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, bletso said: For the US to have three or more viable parties it would have to change its election system, i.e. Get rid of electoral college Set a systems whereby one candidate has to have at least 51% of popular vote. This would necessitate the possibility of a run off election for the two leaders. NEVER HAPPEN Forget POTUS. Get rid of first past the post, single member districts for Congress and state legislatures. A little proportional voting wouldn’t hurt. Throw in some ranked choice voting as well. But so many voters are lazy, uninformed and downright dumb that anything requiring a modicum of thinking is doomed to failure. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 3,459 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 17 minutes ago, bletso said: For the US to have three or more viable parties it would have to change its election system, i.e. Get rid of electoral college Set a systems whereby one candidate has to have at least 51% of popular vote. This would necessitate the possibility of a run off election for the two leaders. NEVER HAPPEN I don't think that's the point. If ever anyone of these 3rd party movements get traction, the major party will take on a bit of what makes it popular. That's one way the parties change over time. It's a good thing. Better would be proportional representation, but that's not going to happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Not for nothing 251 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 lets do , the 2 party system sucks, puts every one in a box the Electoral college RIP, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clove Hitch 863 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, Not for nothing said: lets do , the 2 party system sucks, puts every one in a box the Electoral college RIP, I'm not sure there are really any "radical left" Democrats. Even AOC would just be a regular liberal in Europe. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Not for nothing 251 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said: I'm not sure there are really any "radical left" Democrats. Even AOC would just be a regular liberal in Europe. I guess everything is relative, on where you are and what your looking at, down here GWB was a liberal, 2024 AOC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaggy 826 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 10 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said: I'm not sure there are really any "radical left" Democrats. Even AOC would just be a regular liberal in Europe. Is there a Leftie that mirrors the crazy of bobert or the other nutzo chick?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerseyguy 1,269 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, Not for nothing said: I guess everything is relative, on where you are and what your looking at, down here GWB was a liberal, 2024 AOC Old line in organizations:”where you stand depends on where you sit.” stand=position on an issue or policy sit=your place in the company/organization Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Not for nothing 251 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Also in this part of Florida if you sail = liberal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
learningJ24 342 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Not for nothing said: lets do , the 2 party system sucks, puts every one in a box the Electoral college RIP, Do you have any evidence that there IS a "moderate middle" anymore? What I'm seeing is that the parties have moved far enough apart that the graph more closely resembles an inverted U. Last numbers I saw from V.O.T.E.R. data was that there's only about 7% true swing voters, the rest of the self identified "middle" normally vote straight party. It would be nice to think there is a "silent majority" in the middle but it doesn't seem to be visible. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJonB 8,617 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 If it helps to finish off the current Republican party, it's all good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 502 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 hours ago, shaggy said: Is there a Leftie that mirrors the crazy of bobert or the other nutzo chick?? no. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 502 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 another 'business as usual' party (that would probably lean increasingly right)? Fuck that, it can't, and shouldn't be 'indulged' . global society needs to make a truly RADICAL, and at first uncomfortarable, shift to address issues that are on a larger scale than sociopolitical ones, and the US needs to integrate into that society. 'triage' could be an appropriate word to put shit into some perspective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mathystuff 371 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 You guys should get a proportionally representative parliament like uhm... all other western countries. Also strip away the presidents power. He should be for smiling and waving. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nice! 746 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 hours ago, shaggy said: Is there a Leftie that mirrors the crazy of bobert or the other nutzo chick?? David Avocado Wolf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 2,000 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 27 minutes ago, mathystuff said: You guys should get a proportionally representative parliament like uhm... all other western countries. Also strip away the presidents power. He should be for smiling and waving. Yes on the proportionally representative parliament [*]. It would be radically different from what we have where a couple of dumbfucks in Wyoming have 2 Senators and a Critter. Consequently, short of a constitutional convention, it won't happen. So it is what it is and we gets what we get. Actually, a president is weak compared to a prime minister unless, as was the case with the execrable Shitstain, he has a docile Congress usually of his own party. Otherwise, a president has to ask Congress for things. In Shitstain's case, he could do whatever he wanted (like storm Congress or sell the country out to Putin) and nothing would happen. For example, a president has to get their ambassador to Tonga approved by the Senate. Clinton worked very hard to get what he wanted done. He was a good salesman. (What he didn't want, and what is largely in his purview, was to get trapped in a foreign entanglement the way his fellow Southerner LBJ got trapped trapped himself in Vietnam. I digress.) But he couldn't order Congress to cut the defense budget and increase taxes. He convinced them. Obama got the bare minimum from a Republican Congress that wanted him to be a one term interregnum between Republicans. They wanted him to fail if though that meant the country, mired in the Great Recession, would fail as well. On the other hand, W + Shitstain are given completely free hands by their majorities. Proportional representation wouldn't allow the nutjobs to hold an uncritical base of Deplorables in Dumbfuckistan. My vote out here in CA is pretty meaningless. Johnny One Tooth in Wyoming matters much much more. Johnny doesn't do dick, but that doesn't really matter. But it would be a big change and getting there, short of a constitutional convention? Yeah, nah. [*] I have mentioned this before but even writing about proportional representation in a law review article--gasp!!!--cost Lani Gunier an Assistant Attorney General job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ease the sheet. 1,429 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Any small party will form a coalition with a big party to gain power. The natural ally of the non Trump Republicans will be the Trump Republicans. It just means they can publicly disagree without the accusations of disunity while privately doing what they have always done. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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