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JK is after John Kostecki.

Anyone really knows what is the “Chicago” 

1 minute ago, martin 'hoff said:

Anyone keeping a glossary of key terms? Clear definition of a JK and a Chicago?

The jargon is getting thick... 

 

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this is kinda' nuts but a pleasant surprise, I was basically expecting TNZ to kick the shit out of them.

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10 minutes ago, **ONTOIT** said:

LR look really fast out of their tacks!!

Yup.  Race 2 a real turnaround where TR seemed to be faster?

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5 minutes ago, zillafreak said:

This should be VERY interesting in light airs

^THIS!!

We've seen how critical the start is when the breeze is up, could be a very different story in the light stuff.

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A great result for the regatta. Now it should get tense and exciting. Well done ETNZ for fronting up after so long away from racing. Good on LRPP to sail well and win a race to level the day. All to play for which is exactly what we want for great racing. 

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1 minute ago, mako23 said:

I wonder who learnt more in this race, the Italians learnt about our boat but we have had no racing experience for two months. I guess we learnt win the start 

I never expected it to be win the start and win the race.! NZ would not want that IMO. But boats so close today, Friday could be different?

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19 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

If, could, 

didnt. 

Yep, coulda, shoulda, woulda but as sure as I fantasize about a 3 way with Yanet Garcia and Jessica Alba - they didn't.

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6 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Faster turning boat has bigger foils no surprise. NZ came back in the end but more so due to an error by LR. NZ slightly faster straight line but slower in the turns. The starts are going to get hotter I expect some penalties. It's gunna get hotter in the start box for sure..!

You could also argue the start and lead was given to LR for ETNZ fucking it up. 

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Just now, terrafirma said:

I never expected it to be win the start and win the race.! NZ would not want that IMO. But boats so close today, Friday could be different?

I think with the inability to change foils, wind conditions are going to play a part, if they vary wildly from what we saw today. Sail choices will be key.

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1 hour ago, Indio said:

Basil Photograph - Spaghetti on the fork by Tosporn Preede

Those spaghetti ala Indio look shit, aren't they? Too much sauce and apparently overcooked. Luckily enough you could taste the real Italian spaghetti in race 2.

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1 hour ago, SPORTSCAR said:

What happened to Giacomo Spithillinis supposed mastery of the starting box?

You already know the answer, don't you :D

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23 minutes ago, Keith said:

Nice work Aussie Jimmy.

This series wont be over quick.

And Australia wins the match either way. Come on Gina, Twiggy, Oatleys, etc. time to fund an Australian campaign and see how our a-hole billionaires stack up!

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1 hour ago, Salty Seacock said:

I'll post a picture of my wife's tits of Prada win race two. 

 

Ehm... a private message would do. I promise I will not share :D

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1 hour ago, Salty Seacock said:

Those handbag faggots have had their ego punished. They'll be bummed out and will try some even dumber shit shortly. Just watch. 

:D

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1 hour ago, jaysper said:

Oooh! looks like LR might even this up at 1 vs 1. @strider470, hows that grin on yer face? :D

I was screaming all the time. Hope the neighbours could sleep... :D

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The post race onboard interviews were interesting.
PB: Fuck! We're supposed to be a truckload faster than them.
JS: Shit! We're competitive. I've gotta win the thing now or all of Italy will be fitting me up for concrete overshoes.

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As J.C. Lord (USMC MGSGT Retired) was fond of saying.... "Shit just got real people"

 

Boats are pretty much well matched, no glaring advantages to either side, STARTS are king, no passing lanes, no magic bullet's of a wind gust.....

Well done Prada, I am picking this is going to go down to the wire, unless someone screw's the pooch!

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1 minute ago, Regular Swimmer said:

I've gotta win the thing now or all of Italy will be fitting me up for concrete overshoes.

Nah mate - from that area in Italy they express displeasure with a "Lupra" (sawn off double barrelled Shot gun)!.....

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53 minutes ago, mako23 said:

Bravo Italy well sailed  

Thanks mate. We had to sail perfectly to stay ahead in these conditions. If ETNZ is ahead at the start there is no race. If we are, it's difficult to maintain the leadership but now we know it's doable.  Now we hope to have lighter winds.

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56 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

Well done to the Italians.

Strider and Dolphin must be happy with that. Well worth their early start.

Thanks mate, I couldn't even go back to sleep!

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I don't think the Italians liked their jib choice in the first race. Win the most starts - win the cup. I'm thinking if it goes light for a bunch of races- the cup is going to Italy. 

Kiwi Fanboi bloviation about imaginary boat speed is just the usual BS we've seen the past 3 cycles.  Que up the bleating by the usual suspects Forkourselves, RH1000, etc. 

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4 minutes ago, Piet56 said:

Nah mate - from that area in Italy they express displeasure with a "Lupra" (sawn off double barrelled Shot gun)!.....

The double barrelled shotgun is called 'Lupara'

And a 'Lupara' makes lot of noise, too. I grant you that concrete shoes could be a real thing, so JS really needs to pay attention :D!

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14 minutes ago, strider470 said:

I was screaming all the time. Hope the neighbours could sleep... :D

Who cares, if they weren't up watching a fantastic performance by LR then fuck em! ;)

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57 minutes ago, mauriciogfj said:

Perfect first day, (since I have no skin in the game).
It looks like we gonna have a series.
Lina Rossa has just confirmed its best result ever in any America´s Cup by getting one point.
Congratulations to both teams.

Thanks Mauricio.

But.. would the next iteration be Lina Rosa? :D

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3 minutes ago, Sailor Y said:

I don't think the Italians liked their jib choice in the first race. Win the most starts - win the cup. I'm thinking if it goes light for a bunch of races- the cup is going to Italy. 

Kiwi Fanboi bloviation about imaginary boat speed is just the usual BS we've seen the past 3 cycles.  Que up the bleating by the usual suspects Forkourselves, RH1000, etc. 

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Luna Rossa has their first EVER point in an AC match and it took a mistake by ETNZ. Burling always has one nightmare race before he smashes his opponents. You guys might as well just stay in the shed on Friday.

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5 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Thanks mate, I couldn't even go back to sleep!

My little one woke me up 2:30AM, and now I'm having my morning coffee... Impossible to go to sleep now after two races like these!

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2 minutes ago, jurop88 said:

My little one woke me up 2:30AM, and now I'm having my morning coffee... Impossible to go to sleep now after two races like these!

Careful this stuff comes very addictive, enjoy your win. The Italians sailed a better race in the second match. 

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11 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Thanks mate. We had to sail perfectly to stay ahead in these conditions. If ETNZ is ahead at the start there is no race. If we are, it's difficult to maintain the leadership but now we know it's doable.  Now we hope to have lighter winds.

I think there might be a tiny speed edge to ETNZ, but not enough to counter a well sailed boat, and LR has plenty of talent onboard. It going to be exciting and anyone can win 

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19 minutes ago, strider470 said:

I was screaming all the time. Hope the neighbours could sleep... :D

So that was you I heard?  I thought a cat was being skinned...   :lol:

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the only take is

etnz have a lot more to worry about than pplr do

they need to pray for consistent high winds

 

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1 minute ago, phill_nz said:

the only take is

etnz have a lot more to worry about than pplr do

they need to pray for consistent high winds

TNZ will be fine and I'd still put my money on them. This would have been a wake-up call. And PB just has to change his mindset from Rocketship captain mode to balls-out 49er mode.
 

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2 minutes ago, phill_nz said:

the only take is

etnz have a lot more to worry about than pplr do

they need to pray for consistent high winds

 

And for some strategy to keep themselves out of being in a position to get forced over at the start line.  

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20 minutes ago, Piet56 said:

Nah mate - from that area in Italy they express displeasure with a "Lupra" (sawn off double barrelled Shot gun)!.....

It's Lupara ;)

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1 minute ago, Amati said:

And for some strategy to keep themselves out of being in a position to get forced over at the start line.  They got lucky in the first race.  And then not so lucky.

 

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26 minutes ago, Piet56 said:

Nah mate - from that area in Italy they express displeasure with a "Lupra" (sawn off double barrelled Shot gun)!.....

So many ways to dispose of people! You Italians rock! :lol:

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To all the kiwi dreamers who said 40,50,6070.... Knots blah blah blah...  

Blind loyalty is loyalty to being blind...

prada are quick and as I said before...

 

83% of AC races are won at he start...

Prada nearly won't race ones start... Just a couple of seconds in it.

 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, MaxHugen said:

So that was you I heard?  I thought a cat was being skinned...   :lol:

It was not a cat, it was a mono :D

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1 hour ago, sosoomii said:

Good to see the whinging NZ fanboys getting in early with complaints about course size!

I've been complaining about course sizes since SF so suck a dick.

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23 minutes ago, phill_nz said:

the only take is

etnz have a lot more to worry about than pplr do

they need to pray for consistent high winds

But not too much, as then control is more important to speed.     Is it going to be an Ineos-like "we would have won if conditions had just been between 17.8 and 18.3 kn with 20 degree shifts only if we are behind"?

I think it is over stated that LRPP are really good in the light.  If anything, they looked better in race 2 with a smaller jib up.  They are an all round boat and I think they can win races at any wind strength.     I think a rip roaring 20+ day would be great to have in the final.

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1 hour ago, mako23 said:

I wonder who learnt more in this race, the Italians learnt about our boat but we have had no racing experience for two months. I guess we learnt win the start 

I think LR got a feeling for the true performance of NZ.  NZ has been able to see all of the data off of the Prada Cup races and must have had an estimate on how they stood up to LR.  Now LR knows that NZ has similar performance.  

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2 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

NZ has been able to see all of the data off of the Prada Cup races and must have had an estimate on how they stood up to LR.

And they were obviously surprised immediately after the race.  Which means either:

1) LR has put on some new toys. Or
2)TR was not being sailed to its potential.

(2) is more likely.  I wouldn't by breaking out the Chianti just yet. ;-)

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52 minutes ago, Regular Swimmer said:

The post race onboard interviews were interesting.
PB: Fuck! We're supposed to be a truckload faster than them.
JS: Shit! We're competitive. I've gotta win the thing now or all of Italy will be fitting me up for concrete overshoes.

I think the Kiwi's got surprised today.  There were many times that the NZ boat had a faster speed, but slower VMG.  I think LR is able to stay closer to the wind.  It was interesting to see the boats sailing with NZ going a couple of knots faster, but still losing ground on distance.  I bet NZ felt they were much faster than LR.

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So this could be a very convenient AC. Tune in at the three min mark watch the start , watch two more min , find something else to do for 45 min and then come back and repeat. Hell even the commentators agree with me , how many times are they going to talk about the non existent passing ? 

 

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47 minutes ago, hoom said:

I've been complaining about course sizes since SF so suck a dick.

I'm a prada fan.... The courses are too short and too narrow.   

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2 hours ago, nav said:

Good racing

Curious to know what the swearing was about just before the start

On a listen to the Stbd entry vid my guess is it was BT. Certainly sounded like someone having a problem trimming something.

Edit: Or, possibly because he had been calling the pin end timing. A bit hard to tell.

PB responding with "No issues"

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10 minutes ago, maxmini said:

So this could be a very convenient AC. Tune in at the three min mark watch the start , watch two more min , find something else to do for 45 min and then come back and repeat. Hell even the commentators agree with me , how many times are they going to talk about the non existent passing ? 

 

F1...  With less competition

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18 minutes ago, maxmini said:

So this could be a very convenient AC. Tune in at the three min mark watch the start , watch two more min , find something else to do for 45 min and then come back and repeat. Hell even the commentators agree with me , how many times are they going to talk about the non existent passing ? 

 

FB said in the presser once we get into a SW breeze off the land the shifts and puffs will change everything up. Steady Northerlies from the outer gulf make for a procession. 

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30 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

I think the Kiwi's got surprised today.  There were many times that the NZ boat had a faster speed, but slower VMG.  I think LR is able to stay closer to the wind.  It was interesting to see the boats sailing with NZ going a couple of knots faster, but still losing ground on distance.  I bet NZ felt they were much faster than LR.

I thought it was very interesting on 2nd beat in 2nd race, when NO was pointing out how LR was for NZ into a high slow mode.   If LR tacking a little early to force this mode was deliberate, then that was some  fine scouting work!

A really good example of how it's easy to look fabulous when you're the only boat on a race track, but when you have one of those pesky competitors, they just get in the way.

 

 

 

 

 

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The AC Final should be renamed Jimmy vs Pete.! Starts are going to get hotter. Jimmy should have one the start in Race 1 but his approach has been predictable for Pistol Pete as long as he doesn't keep falling over!

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57 minutes ago, sfigone said:

I think it is over stated that LRPP are really good in the light.

I agree. If anything they might have sacrificed some light wind performance for going better in a breeze. ENTZ might have done the opposite - ditched some up range performance for better light air going.

I don't think the boat speed question is fully sorted. We've seen them on one course in moderate breeze. Questions still remain.

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Graphics showed the course dead downwind of an island and I was expecting it to be shifty. It wasn’t. Can locals explain please?
 

I ask in part because of all the comments about lack of passes. If conditions had the shifts and gusts we saw in the RR, it would have been another story.

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Is there any explanation why ETNZ in both races started their “afterburner” only on the last downwind leg?

2nd race war really nice to watch them closing the gap from >300m to 60m during the second half of the leg, whereas both on the first and second downwind leg the distance kept steady. 

Maybe part of the media strategy to generate some “excitement”?  

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7 minutes ago, dogwatch said:

Graphics showed the course dead downwind of an island and I was expecting it to be shifty. It wasn’t. Can locals explain please?
 

I ask in part because of all the comments about lack of passes. If conditions had the shifts and gusts we saw in the RR, it would have been another story.

It's a low island,  it wasnt shifty out there at all today.

I havent rewatched the races but on the water I thought maybe ETNZ were picking more breeze to come in for R2 and picked the wrong jib.

Anyway, game on, and I'm loving seeing @strider470 counting coup on all the premature kiwi fans. 

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2 minutes ago, Dayracer said:

Is there any explanation why ETNZ in both races started their “afterburner” only on the last downwind leg?

I think at least in the 2nd race LR sailed into a lul, TNZ stayed in a gust/avoided the hole.

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3 minutes ago, hoom said:

I think at least in the 2nd race LR sailed into a lul,

On the final beat LR did a bunch of extra tacks losing ground. In the 2nd beat TR kept tacking into shitty air and lost plenty. Neither team sailed perfect races.

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6 minutes ago, kenergy said:

It's a low island,  it wasnt shifty out there at all today.

I havent rewatched the races but on the water I thought maybe ETNZ were picking more breeze to come in for R2 and picked the wrong jib.

Anyway, game on, and I'm loving seeing @strider470 counting coup on all the premature kiwi fans. 

My odds are still on ETNZ but at least our boys know that the damn thing is winnable indeed. A 2 0 today would have been a disaster for the morale. And now we have a whole day to dissect and analyze Te Rehutai performance data, and optimize Luna Rossa.

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1 minute ago, strider470 said:

My odds are still on ETNZ but at least our boys know that the damn thing is winnable indeed. A 2 0 today would have been a disaster for the morale. And now we have a whole day to dissect and analyze Te Rehutai performance data, and optimize Luna Rossa.

At this stage its anyone's game, looking forward to fridays light winds. 

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3 hours ago, animeproblem said:

You are all missing the point, SBD called it, except backwards!

Thanks Mate. I got it 100% backwards, but the same result on the scoreboard.

Seems like we're going to have a boat race after all. It's a little nerve-wracking. 

Congratulations ETNZ and LRPP. One a piece.

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26 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

Just watched approximately 7 seconds of AC coverage in 9 news......so lucky here in OZ.......

Sign up for TVOne on demand or watch it on YouTube if you haven’t found another way. 

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I think its wishful thinking from LR fans that one race means theyre competitive. It was a mistake that led to Team NZ losing the 2nd race. Now you might say it was a mistake by Jimmy in the first race that led to LR losing the first race, but they Team NZ also extended on LR by the end of the first race and clawed the 2nd one back to within 10 seconds. Remember, Ainslie beat ETNZ in Bermuda, twice, but they were never competitive. Ainslie also beat LR in the final in one race this time, but they werent competitive then either. Oracle beat Team NZ once in Bermuda, but ultimately got destroyed. One race win doesnt make them competitive. It makes them lucky.

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2 minutes ago, Navig8tor said:

Sign up for TVOne on demand or watch it on YouTube if you haven’t found another way. 

Yeah I have YT coverage sorted.....it was more a dig at the networks here and their complete lack of interest, despite there not being a lot of sport around. 

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14 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Thanks Mate. I got it 100% backwards, but the same result on the scoreboard.

Seems like we're going to have a boat race after all. It's a little nerve-wracking. 

Congratulations ETNZ and LRPP. One a piece.

I am glad to not support any particular team (hoping they mean it when they say to keep the concept for next edition). Great sailing and there isn't much in it.

Traditional match sailing enthusiast might say that it's not close racing with 250m lead and such but given the speed it's no different than non foiling boats some 50m from each other. 

Currently feels like ETNZ is slightly faster but not by much, and LRRP has still slight edge on starts and aggression. I don't agree with commentary team about the luff on first race. Yes it was desperate but it was LRRP best shot at it, they know better than anyone that lead is key and once behind, getting the penalty was their best shot at getting in front again.

Let's bring more of it.

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4 hours ago, Salty Seacock said:

I'll post a picture of my wife's tits of Prada win race two. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Indio said:

That's the safest bet since trumpscum to lose the prez election

 

4 hours ago, mako23 said:

Handbag faggots.....hmmm not taking the high road old Salty Seacocks 

God I love this place sometimes...

2 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Luna Rossa has their first EVER point in an AC match and it took a mistake by ETNZ. Burling always has one nightmare race before he smashes his opponents. You guys might as well just stay in the shed on Friday.

Come on mate, don't be a sore loser. 

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1 minute ago, chuso007 said:

 

 

God I love this place sometimes...

Come on mate, don't be a sore loser. 

What have we lost? You act like we lost something?

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3 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

I think its wishful thinking from LR fans that one race means theyre competitive

They're even on the scoreboard, and they kept it pretty tight in race one, got out to a pretty big lead in two. Haven't really seen a boat extend like that on TR. TR came back in two more on poor tactics from LR, plus a bit of speed...maybe?? Too early to make definitive judgments on speed.  

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