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7 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Not entirely sure that is correct. The alert level rules are clear, but I guess if ACE/ ETNZ can prove, or want to prove that they can race and comply with those rules, then it should be fine. The Government doesn't make the call. ACE/ ETNZ does.

Sporting events with a 100 spectators or more are banned under level 3 so it will be up to the Govt to decide to say otherwise

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1 hour ago, minimumfuss said:

Maybe a Sunday start. They must be worried to announce it 9 o clock Saturday night with immediate effect. Usually we get half a days grace. 

That's to keep the selfish jaffas from running away to their boltholes

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3 minutes ago, JJD said:

No you mentioned the rules for racing under level 2 and 3, not the dates for the Prada cup. 

All good mate. Wasn’t having a dig. 

they won’t race under level 3 at all. 

Why not?|Rules are in place and aside from a few wealthy Jaffas the rest of the world waits?

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11 minutes ago, southseasbill said:

Yep. We are living under a fascist dictatorship.

Diminishing fascism? Insulting the people who live and suffer under a dictatorship?
You wouldn't be able to post here if you were  living under a fascist dictatorship.

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Just now, mako23 said:

Sporting events with a100 spectators or more are banned....so it will be up to the Govt to decide to say otherwise

Yes, yes they are, which is the same under level 2, yet the Prada Cup went ahead, because the CoR said it would go ahead, because they were responsible for organising it, not ACE, and they exercised that right. They don't have that right now.

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1 minute ago, winchfodder said:

That picture is priceless. The Cup that keeps on giving and giving. 

Who dresses that cunt, her grandmother?

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2 minutes ago, veritas said:

When will these idiots understand that there is a contingency in place for level 3. This is way bigger than fucking wankers in AKL

Chill out dude..your starting to sound shrill 

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2 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Yes, yes they are, which is the same under level 2, yet the Prada Cup went ahead, because the CoR said it would go ahead, because they were responsible for organising it, not ACE, and they exercised that right. They don't have that right now.

Unless they get exemption.......

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1 minute ago, veritas said:

Unless they get exemption.......

You think after the Prada Cup debacle, Tina is gonna turn around and ask for an exemption? Nope. The match will be postponed at least one day, probably 2, maybe a week.

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48 minutes ago, mako23 said:

Has anyone’s phones started screaming at them ?

My mrs phone started screeching as if thermonuclear war was about to break out

All that screeching and it said don’t go to work 

We had two phones side by side.  Nearly blew us off the couch.

Yeah, Monday start at the earliest.

And subsequent days don't look good either.

This one has the potential to explode and spread.

And even if no further cases, can they negotiate to compete at Level 2?

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1 hour ago, strider470 said:

.......If you follow tennis,the young Italian star rising is Jannik Sinner. And he is 100% Italian.

His roots are clearly not Italian, he was born from a non-Italian family in an German speaking region (Südtirol) which was merged to Italy in 1920.......

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Funny how now all the kiwi fans wanted to delay the Prada cup final with lockdown level 2 but now that strong winds are forecast they absolutely want to get on with the racing...

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124384189/covid19-big-schedule-of-major-events-cancelled

Covid-19: Big schedule of major events cancelled

The opening weekend of the America’s Cup heads a list of major events in Auckland that are cancelled or in doubt as the city shifts back into Covid-19 alert level 3.

Auckland will enter level 3 at 6am on Sunday, while the rest of the country will move to level 2, following the discovery of two new cases in the community.

The America’s Cup was due to start on Saturday, March 6, but cannot proceed under level 3 without the Government approving a specific exemption for the biggest crowd draw in nearly three months of racing

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1 minute ago, AeroSail1 said:

Funny how now all the kiwi fans wanted to delay the Prada cup final with lockdown level 2 but now that strong winds are forecast they absolutely want to get on with the racing...

Show us the predicated forecast cloggy, looks a lot different here in NZ. Any rain coming, need to feed my cows

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On 2/20/2021 at 10:53 AM, AeroSail1 said:

The whole legal shenanigans with the Prada cup final made me wonder: What would happen if, hypothetically (and I certainly hope not), Auckland goes into Level 3 lockdown before the AC matches begin on March 6th, and this protracts beyond March 21st?

Talking about foreshadowing...

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1 minute ago, Forourselves said:

Covid-19: Big schedule of major events cancelled

The opening weekend of the America’s Cup heads a list of major events in Auckland that are cancelled or in doubt as the city shifts back into Covid-19 alert level 3.

Auckland will enter level 3 at 6am on Sunday, while the rest of the country will move to level 2, following the discovery of two new cases in the community.

The America’s Cup was due to start on Saturday, March 6, but cannot proceed under level 3 without the Government approving a specific exemption for the biggest crowd draw in nearly three months of racing

Like I said earlier.....

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3 minutes ago, AeroSail1 said:

Funny how now all the kiwi fans wanted to delay the Prada cup final with lockdown level 2 but now that strong winds are forecast they absolutely want to get on with the racing...

I don't. There is a slew of sporting events being cancelled. The AC should follow suit.

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2 minutes ago, Dolphin65 said:

His roots are clearly not Italian, he was born from a non-Italian family in an German speaking region (Südtirol) which was merged to Italy in 1920.......

If people from Nice, Cote d'Azur, Corse are French... And from Istria are Croatian...

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4 minutes ago, AeroSail1 said:

Funny how now all the kiwi fans wanted to delay the Prada cup final with lockdown level 2 but now that strong winds are forecast they absolutely want to get on with the racing...

Let's see if Tina can pull off the world's biggest flip flop and dishoner the people of NZ and the sacrifice they have made so the cup can be held. And will she take a giant dump on the viaduct and race village when they cannot be open or even at capacity. I feel a massive contradiction coming on to suit her own agenda now. Your ball ACE. Let's see who has honor now....

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Just now, barfy said:

You're a fresh idiot 

Gee I think I would know better than you being the one who changed his ISP from a ban. That clearly makes you an old, failed idiot (moron, imbecile/)

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8 minutes ago, AeroSail1 said:

Funny how now all the kiwi fans wanted to delay the Prada cup final with lockdown level 2 but now that strong winds are forecast they absolutely want to get on with the racing...

I’m for one are a little concerned about this outbreak, it seems to be going on for a while now. So for SAFETY and no other reason best to delay. 

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1 minute ago, mako23 said:

I’m for one are a little concerned about this outbreak, it seems to be going on for a while now. So for SAFETY and no other reason best to delay. 

Living in Sth AKL and going to KFC alot? Prepared to vaccinate or a non-believer?

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1 minute ago, mako23 said:

So for SAFETY and no other reason best to delay. 

Jokes aside, indeed safety of the people is the most important thing. So far you kiwis have done a tremendous job, so keep it up and hopefully we shall get back racing asap

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8 minutes ago, AeroSail1 said:

Funny how now all the kiwi fans wanted to delay the Prada cup final with lockdown level 2 but now that strong winds are forecast they absolutely want to get on with the racing...

And where, pray tell, did you read that Newbie?  De Telegraaf or Algemeen Dagblad?

If this thing gets nasty and forces a one-month delay, or longer, that will take us further into autumn and the stronger breezes that will favour the defender.

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1 minute ago, AeroSail1 said:

Jokes aside, indeed safety of the people is the most important thing. So far you kiwis have done a tremendous job, so keep it up and hopefully we shall get back racing asap

Where is the strong wind forecast brother?

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3 minutes ago, AeroSail1 said:

Jokes aside, indeed safety of the people is the most important thing. So far you kiwis have done a tremendous job, so keep it up and hopefully we shall get back racing asap

Stick to making porn and transferring drugs around the world

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2 minutes ago, veritas said:

Where is the strong wind forecast brother

ECMWF on windy.com for 4PM NZT predicts 20kts on course B. Have a look yourself bro

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10 minutes ago, veritas said:

Gee I think I would know better than you being the one who changed his ISP from a ban. That clearly makes you an old, failed idiot (moron, imbecile/)

Wrong. I hold my ban for guessing butterballs handle close to my heart. 

Idiot newbie...go away

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1 minute ago, AeroSail1 said:

ECMWF on windy.com for 4PM NZT predicts 20kts on course B. Have a look yourself bro

Bro down here 20 is moderate, strong is 50

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Just now, barfy said:

Wrong. I hold my ban for guessing butterballs handle close to my heart. 

Idiot newbie...go away

Meth, coke what are you on? I meant mine retard

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2 minutes ago, veritas said:

Meth, coke what are you on? I meant mine retard

Wtf

Idiot. I'm thinking your name begins with G and you live in your mom's basement in welly

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1 minute ago, barfy said:

Wtf

Idiot. I'm thinking your name begins with G and you live in your mom's basement in welly

Wow wrong on both counts, and a little down vote as well, well done H. Let's face it you bitch you fucked up. Bit like your team tonight. Anywho was a bit of fun bitch night, night

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22 minutes ago, Kanting_Kid said:

Let's see if Tina can pull off the world's biggest flip flop and dishoner the people of NZ and the sacrifice they have made so the cup can be held. And will she take a giant dump on the viaduct and race village when they cannot be open or even at capacity. I feel a massive contradiction coming on to suit her own agenda now. Your ball ACE. Let's see who has honor now....

They’ll postpone

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Just now, Barnyb said:

will you two get a room!

Yeah I think maybe, clearly a girl, but sounds fat and ugly and I don't do fat ugly ones.....................

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1 minute ago, Forourselves said:

They’ll postpone

 

3 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

They’ll postpone

Yep, sadly. Looks like a fuck up from the last one, same family/contacts

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If things don’t improve we will back at level 4 ....which means for our foreign viewers .....everyone stays at home only essential workers allowed out. LR crew will not be able to enter their base let alone sail. 

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1 minute ago, mako23 said:

If things don’t improve we will back at level 4 ....which means for our foreign viewers .....everyone stays at home only essential workers allowed out. LR crew will not be able to enter their base let alone sail. 

Milking cows in the mighty Waikato is essential bro, rock on Jaffa

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25 minutes ago, mako23 said:

I’m for one are a little concerned about this outbreak, it seems to be going on for a while now. So for SAFETY and no other reason best to delay. 

Mate sadly its called moving out of summer towards winter. Its more likely to get bigger than smaller in the near future. Who do you think will be first to have a member get it Prada or NZ? If its to follow the same path as tennis or F1. 

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1 minute ago, Status quo said:

Mate sadly its called moving out of summer towards winter. Its more likely to get bigger than smaller in the near future. Who do you think will be first to have a member get it Prada or NZ? If its to follow the same path as tennis or F1. 

Mako is a Jaffa they think they are way more important than the world TV audience so good luck with that conversation..............

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1 minute ago, mako23 said:

If things don’t improve we will back at level 4 ....which means for our foreign viewers .....everyone stays at home only essential workers allowed out. LR crew will not be able to enter their base let alone sail. 

So, it looks like this (corrections are welcome):
- Level 2: Work in the sheds and training can go on, racing can take place with less than 100 people in one spot at a give time, no regatta village.
- Level 3: Work in the sheds and training can go on, but for racing to take place the authorities (government) must agree to an exception, no regatta village. If the exception is not granted, there will be no racing.
- Level 4: No racing, no training, no work in the sheds

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41 minutes ago, strider470 said:

If people from Nice, Cote d'Azur, Corse are French... And from Istria are Croatian...

From a political and geographical point of view this is technically correct, however, if Mario Rossi, born in Saint Tropez, was considered to be 100% French, I guess I would smile 

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42 minutes ago, AeroSail1 said:

Funny how now all the kiwi fans wanted to delay the Prada cup final with lockdown level 2 but now that strong winds are forecast they absolutely want to get on with the racing...

Who the hell said we want to get on with racing? Nobody in NZ will want things to go ahead in level 3 and will be ambivalent at best in level 2. ETNZ will race in anything in the range. Nothing to do with wind. Auckland can blow up a 30 knot squall in 5 minutes so local forecasts don't mean shit. Sorry Predict wind. 

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3 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

So, it looks like this

That's the way I see it too..super bad timing.

If COR gets served their lunch, it will go ahead. I'm hoping for Bit Of Luck and end of week all looks good. Maybe one day off delay. After all everyone has been through I appreciate the caution. I don't really like wearing a mask at work looking through fogged glasses either.

I took the first week off for annual vacation so I could travel down and see the big show. Bummer, but I hope and pray this one doesn't shut us down for months...the Cup is secondary atm.

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19 minutes ago, Dolphin65 said:

 

From a political and geographical point of view this is technically correct, however, if Mario Rossi, born in Saint Tropez, was considered to be 100% French, I guess I would smile 

In Corse, for instance,  all people have French names and second (clearly Italian) names pronounced  a la French with the final stressed syllable.

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On 2/26/2021 at 6:03 PM, Dolphin65 said:

So many people is talking about TR speed, now breaking the 60 Knots barrier. :blink:

Luna Rossa will never reach those speeds, so if the rumors are true we might face a speed difference between the boats above 3/8 knots, which is going to make this final one of the most boring in AC history.

I have it on VERY good authority that 60 Knots or above is pure scuttlebutt.

The foils would be cavitating at those sorts of speeds.

So many rumours, it's worse than an American election

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33 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

Who the hell said we want to get on with racing? Nobody in NZ will want things to go ahead in level 3 and will be ambivalent at best in level 2. ETNZ will race in anything in the range. Nothing to do with wind. Auckland can blow up a 30 knot squall in 5 minutes so local forecasts don't mean shit. Sorry Predict wind. 

I’m not keen on racing level 2 or 3, I want this virus contained. The AC means nothing in comparison to the safety of New Zealanders.

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If we stay in Level 3 without government exemptions, then is possible there will be no racing before the deadline is up, at that point ETNZ retains the cup.

LR wanted to race the Prada Cup in level 2, but they really had no power to bring those races into reality, other than to say if those races didn't take place before the original deadline, then they would declare themselves the winner as per the original schedule.

This time round, they are on the receiving end of this deadline situation should ETNZ decide to play the same way... but hey live by the sword...

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5 minutes ago, rh3000 said:

If we stay in Level 3 without government exemptions, then is possible there will be no racing before the deadline is up, at that point ETNZ retains the cup.

LR wanted to race the Prada Cup in level 2, but they really had no power to bring those races into reality, other than to say if those races didn't take place before the original deadline, then they would declare themselves the winner as per the original schedule.

This time round, they are on the receiving end of this deadline situation should ETNZ decide to play the same way... but hey live by the sword...

This is exactly what I’ve been saying if you want to ruthlessly use the rules to your advantage, then the same can be done to you.  After the last scheduled race has expired just accept another challenger

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8 minutes ago, mako23 said:

This is exactly what I’ve been saying if you want to ruthlessly use the rules to your advantage, then the same can be done to you.  After the last scheduled race has expired just accept another challenger

Sounds like an ideal scenario if you are NY lawyer. 

Edit: meant to be ironic...

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40 minutes ago, mako23 said:

I’m not keen on racing level 2 or 3, I want this virus contained. The AC means nothing in comparison to the safety of New Zealanders.

AC Match Instructions Race Days

Monday 15 March to Sunday 21 March (incl).  If the Match is not completed prior to 15 March then racing will continue every day until completion.

Reading the official Match conditions the last scheduled day of racing is 21st March.

The Protocol governing the Match just says that the winner is the first to seven points. 

I can't see any provision if sufficient races to decide the winner have not been completed by the 21st March.

For instance would the winner be the team that is ahead on points by the 21st, even if not up to seven points? 

Apparently not. So would that mean that the Cup stays with ETNZ by default in no team reaches seven points by the 21st.

Just thinking it through because there is a real possibility, with very limited vaccinations going ahead in Auckland,  that the lockdowns could continue for two or three weeks.

Apologies Rh as you have covered this by saying ETNZ retain the Cup!

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5 minutes ago, winchfodder said:

AC Match Instructions Race Days

Monday 15 March to Sunday 21 March (incl).  If the Match is not completed prior to 15 March then racing will continue every day until completion.

Reading the official Match conditions the last scheduled day of racing is 21st March.

The Protocol governing the Match just says that the winner is the first to seven points. 

I can't see any provision if sufficient races to decide the winner have not been completed by the 21st March.

For instance would the winner be the team that is ahead on points by the 21st, even if not up to seven points? 

Apparently not. So would that mean that rhe Cup stays with ETNZ by default in no team reaches seven points by the 21st.

Just thinking it through because there is a real possibility, with very limited vaccinations going ahead in Auckland,  that the lockdowns could continue for two or three weeks.

The first sentence says it all.  If the match isn’t competed by March 15th han racing continues everyday until there is a winner.  So this America’s Cup will happen..  Eventually.

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42 minutes ago, mako23 said:

I’m not keen on racing level 2 or 3, I want this virus contained. The AC means nothing in comparison to the safety of New Zealanders.

Agreed mate, it makes no sense to put lives at risk for a sailboat race 

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9 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said:

The first sentence says it all.  If the match isn’t competed by March 21st than racing continues everyday until there is a winner.  So this America’s Cup will happen..  Eventually.

It would be great if all parties agreed to continue to completion. However that is not typical of yacht racing, or any sporting event where weather intervenes.

The reading is that if not completed by the 15th, racing continues every day till the 21st only.

It might be that the 21st is the final race day as Rh suggests. Game over kiwi win?

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I don't think the protocol or DoG were written to accommodate a pandemic. As someone mentioned somewhere on here, there is force majeure to consider as well, outside the normal aspects of sailing. 

I don't think that if sufficient racing has been held prior the 21st because of lockdowns, that the regatta will be decided.

I am pretty sure that if it came to it, NYSC would tell the parties to the DoG contract to work it out and complete the contract.

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2 hours ago, veritas said:

ONE PI family in the shit hole of AKL and Cindy closes down AKL for another week, staggering

Depends how seriously you take the threat of 1 family exploding into a dramatic spreading of COVID-19.

In China 3 x +ve test resulted in a city of 7.5m being tested - no more +ve's found.

In America there are 500,000 families who have lost a loved one and the UK has topped 120,000 (shit, i had no idea it was this high)

Which scenario would you prefer?

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6 minutes ago, winchfodder said:

It would be great if all parties agreed to continue to completion. However that is not typical of yacht racing, or any sporting event where weather intervenes.

The reading is that if not completed by the 15th, racing continues every day till the 21st only.

It might be that the 21st is the final race day as Rh suggests. Game over kiwi win?

 

1 minute ago, The Advocate said:

I don't think the protocol or DoG were written to accommodate a pandemic. As someone mentioned somewhere on here, there is force majeure to consider as well, outside the normal aspects of sailing. 

I don't think that if sufficient racing has been held prior the 21st because of lockdowns, that the regatta will be decided.

I am pretty sure that if it came to it, NYSC would tell the parties to the DoG contract to work it out and complete the contract.

Yes. I would have thought that all parties would agree to a change to the Protocol so that the Match continues until the last man standing. 

Is there any precedent of the Cup being decided before the agreed number of races have been completed?

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There is an argument for holding racing during a Level 3 Lockdown in Auckalnd but it must be a pretty thin one.

Below is a precis of the regulations.

Auckland COVID Level 3 Regulations

Level 3 states that when not at work or school you must stay within your household bubble and can travel locally when gong to work, school, shopping or getting exercise but travel between regions is “heavily restricted”.

Gatherings at events are limited to 10 people and further limited to weddings and funerals.

Public venues legally must close. I am not sure if this includes North Head but certainly the likes of the race village.

Business that require close physical contact are not allowed to operate and have to display a QR Code. If they cannot stay 1m apart other measures such as PPE are recommended. I guess it could be argued that the crew on an AC75, or a committee boat might fall into that category and they are paid employees of a ‘business’.

The main problem is that as there is, in theory, no outright ban on people being on their boats but they could hardly be considered being in their “household bubble”.

I suppose the main problem is the volunteers. Are they actually at work?

Also I know (for a fact) that a number of them live outside Auckland and would be unable to travel to where they would be volunteering and make no mistake the America’s Cup is no different than any other major sporting event in its dependence on willing and able volunteers.

Then there is the other problem facing ACE & ETNZ – funding.

The COVID virus has seriously undermined the return on investment (ROI) of both National Government and City Government. No Youth America’s Cup, a reduce Superyacht Cup, virtually no VVIP visitors, hotels nowhere near the expected occupancy and tourist industry certainly not getting the fillup it hoped for.

Whether  future funding is forthcoming is dependent to a degree on the goodwill of the people and their perception of whether the event was ‘worth it’ or not (never mind the government bean counters). Running the America’s Cup Match itself, effectively behind closed doors, is hardly going to enhance that impression.

I know it is frustrating to not be able to sit in front of our television around 1600 NZL Time in just under a week but I just wonder where people feel the importance of a sporting event should supersede the importance of public safety.

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If Prada had a rule that said racing should continue under L2-3  for the Prada cup and the same safety protocols are in place but racing can’t happen now it makes a mockery of the decision to race when they did for the Prada final.

 

If it was safe then, it’s safe now, if it isn’t safe now then why did Racing carry on before? 

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5 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

Depends how seriously you take the threat of 1 family exploding into a dramatic spreading of COVID-19.

In China 3 x +ve test resulted in a city of 7.5m being tested - no more +ve's found.

In America there are 500,000 families who have lost a loved one and the UK has topped 120,000 (shit, i had no idea it was this high)

Which scenario would you prefer?

Latest variants of the virus are far more contagious. We had one infected flight attendant in Oz some weeks ago, that escalated to ~140 cases within just a few days. Fortunately fast lockdowns and good tracking & testing prevented it from getting completely out of hand.

Lockdowns are a real pain and buggering up economies world wide, but let it run away on you, and before you know it, hospitals get overwhelmed, and an awful lot of people die.

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1 minute ago, MaxHugen said:

Latest variants of the virus are far more contagious. We had one infected flight attendant in Oz some weeks ago, that escalated to ~140 cases within just a few days. Fortunately fast lockdowns and good tracking & testing prevented it from getting completely out of hand.

Lockdowns are a real pain and buggering up economies world wide, but let it run away on you, and before you know it, hospitals get overwhelmed, and an awful lot of people die.

Some common sense at last.

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20 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said:

Can anyone point to what the rules say about completing or not completing the races???

Struggling to find it in the latest protocol release mate

https://docs.google.com/a/acofficials.org/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=YWNvZmZpY2lhbHMub3JnfGFjMzYtb2ZmaWNpYWwtbm90aWNlYm9hcmR8Z3g6NjUxODY1YWIwNmQ4ODk1Ng

 

ACE update anyway:

https://www.americascup.com/en/news/1139_COVID-19-UPDATE

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19 minutes ago, MaxHugen said:

Latest variants of the virus are far more contagious. We had one infected flight attendant in Oz some weeks ago, that escalated to ~140 cases within just a few days. Fortunately fast lockdowns and good tracking & testing prevented it from getting completely out of hand.

Lockdowns are a real pain and buggering up economies world wide, but let it run away on you, and before you know it, hospitals get overwhelmed, and an awful lot of people die.

We had one case of the UK variant the other week of a quarantine security guard , locked down. Zero transmissions despite the fact the guy was also an uber driver who went about two days from feeling unwell before being tested and didn't quarantine.

When you say "far more contagious" you are drinking the Kool Aid.

YMMV

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28 minutes ago, JALhazmat said:

If Prada had a rule that said racing should continue under L2-3  for the Prada cup and the same safety protocols are in place but racing can’t happen now it makes a mockery of the decision to race when they did for the Prada final.

 

If it was safe then, it’s safe now, if it isn’t safe now then why did Racing carry on before? 

Bold: That's not fully correct.

If level 3 continues, it's up to ACE to ask the government for an exception to race. If this exception is not granted, bad luck, no race.
If the level is downgraded to 2, they could race as during the Prada Cup.

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