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2 minutes ago, Jandals said:

They were about to be mowed down on the 1st run despite a fuck up at the start and a poor ill timed gybe. Hand of God? GTFO. 

Sitting the boat on its arse in dropping pressure Jandals...... however it is all moot now....

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1 minute ago, d2ba said:

LR cannot be defeated on any start --its impossible 

Two more to come tomorrow to disprove your theory.

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8 minutes ago, Hemi said:

Why did ETNZ gybe just as we were about to roll Prada? Weren’t actually going to roll them? Would’ve been luffed?

I'd have to go back and look to confirm, but it did look to me like they were going to go rumbling past.

Dumbest fucking tactical move of the match. I think their instincts to gybe away kicked in before they could think about the consequences.

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1 minute ago, jaysper said:

Fuck I reckon they were like porn stars. They knew exactly how important it was to stay up.

But it's like when oracle closed like fuck on ETNZ in race 2 (I think) and then sailed into a super soft spot and just parked it.

Fuck all you can do.

I was super surprised and pleased ETNZ could foot it with them on the smaller foils and jib.

But fuck they were lucky.

I think their boat just isn't up to it. Up until now, their race toughness has seen them win races, The pre-starts are very practiced on LR, the VMG angles, tacking and jibing angles are all very practiced. Right now LR are very much a one trick pony. Over the course of the regatta, ETNZ has watched, learned, tweaked and countered those tricks, and now the faster boat is showing its dominance.

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Just now, jaysper said:

I'd have to go back and look to confirm, but it did look to me like they were going to go rumbling past.

Dumbest fucking tactical move of the match. I think their instincts to gybe away kicked in before they could think about the consequences.

Would have been luffed hard bad spot for them to be 

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The speed differential on that first downhill run was enormous. If TNZ could have pulled off that pass it would have been very demoralising for LR

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1 minute ago, jaysper said:

I'd have to go back and look to confirm, but it did look to me like they were going to go rumbling past.

Dumbest fucking tactical move of the match. I think their instincts to gybe away kicked in before they could think about the consequences.

The boat was so quick even the sharp minds on board couldn't keep up with TR speed and led to a panic gybe 

 

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1 minute ago, jaysper said:

I'd have to go back and look to confirm, but it did look to me like they were going to go rumbling past.

Dumbest fucking tactical move of the match. I think their instincts to gybe away kicked in before they could think about the consequences.

They were in LR's gas. They either sat there and got smoked, or gybe and see what happened.

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6 minutes ago, Piet56 said:

Sitting the boat on its arse in dropping pressure Jandals...... however it is all moot now....

They both fell off foils in dropping pressure. 

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4 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

I think their boat just isn't up to it. Up until now, their race toughness has seen them win races, The pre-starts are very practiced on LR, the VMG angles, tacking and jibing angles are all very practiced. Right now LR are very much a one trick pony. Over the course of the regatta, ETNZ has watched, learned, tweaked and countered those tricks, and now the faster boat is showing its dominance.

It does seem TR is a touch faster and I suspect I'd both boats were given another 2 months of racing that TR would get faster again relatively speaking.

However right here and now the difference is certainly small enough that if Pete doesn't start getting off the line first they could still lose this thing.

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6 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said:

Would have been luffed hard bad spot for them to be 

But IIRC they had 2 or 3 knots better speed so could have reacted and had a better shot at staying on the foils than LR.

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7 minutes ago, 36thLatitude said:

The boat was so quick even the sharp minds on board couldn't keep up with TR speed and led to a panic gybe 

 

LOL! Brilliant

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2 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

They were in LR's gas. They either sat there and got smoked, or gybe and see what happened.

Disagree, they could have headed slightly to give some separation or soaked to leeward and headed up? 

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8 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

The speed differential on that first downhill run was enormous. If TNZ could have pulled off that pass it would have been very demoralising for LR

I suspect they are feeling it emotionally right now anyway.

But they are super tough professionals and will be back out on the water tomorrow fighting just as fiercely.

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1 minute ago, jaysper said:

It does seem TR is a touch faster and I suspect I'd both boats were given another 2 months of racing that TR would get faster again relatively speaking.

However right here and now the difference is certainly small enough that if Pete doesn't start getting off the line first they could still lose this thing.

I think the difference was small, but its not so much any more. I think the lighter it gets, the more advantageous it is for the Kiwi's.

After today, we now know TR has the ability to overtake. Something LR hasn't shown. TR has won 3 on the trot now in the light. I think LR will win 1, maybe 2 more races, but they need 4. I think they run out of runway.

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14 minutes ago, Piet56 said:

Presser is going to be interesting.....

Meh, you reckon?

Jimmy will be his normal Jimmy self and Pete will recite a novel without saying a goddamn thing.

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11 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

I think their boat just isn't up to it. Up until now, their race toughness has seen them win races, The pre-starts are very practiced on LR, the VMG angles, tacking and jibing angles are all very practiced. Right now LR are very much a one trick pony. Over the course of the regatta, ETNZ has watched, learned, tweaked and countered those tricks, and now the faster boat is showing its dominance.

Its much more than that- LR is stuck in a time loop as ive been saying. Big mistake to hire gun's -thinking that previous success's will be duplicated if they can buy it. LR would have been better off keeping the entire team from Italy or even a neighbouring EU country --victory would be much sweeter if they could do it all themselves. The team is talented enough you don't have to hire guns from down under.

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4 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

I think the difference was small, but its not so much any more. I think the lighter it gets, the more advantageous it is for the Kiwi's.

After today, we now know TR has the ability to overtake. Something LR hasn't shown. TR has won 3 on the trot now in the light. I think LR will win 1, maybe 2 more races, but they need 4. I think they run out of runway.

Well I hope you are right.

But also hope this board doesn't turn feral against the Italians here like it did against oracle in 2013 and 2017.

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1 minute ago, d2ba said:

Its much more than that- LR is stuck in a time loop as ive been saying. Big mistake to hire a gun -the best Helmsman in the world thinking that previous success's will be duplicated. LR would have been better offer keeping the entire team from Italy or at best a neighbouring country --victory would be sweeter if they could do it all themselves.

Please

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The last race was nothing but a roll of the dice. However until NZ wins two more races it means nothing. Let’s hope for more wind...if your a kiwi 

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5 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Please

Put her on ignore like I have strider. Talks so much shit that she needs a roll of toilet paper bolted to her forehead.

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To foil or not to foil, that's the question!

Isn't that what we have all been waiting for?

Everybody is still learning, but enough is enough and a steady 10kn wind or more is now wanted, to calm our nerves...

 

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1 hour ago, Tugboat said:

So many plot twists but it really is a flaw of the design that races can swing that wildly. 

What fucken dumb thing to say. 
Were the 12’s flawed?

Were the IACCs flawed?

We’re the 72’s flawed?

Were the DOG boats flawed?  

Were the 50’s flawed. 

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8 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Please

And I edited that to say Italy is good enough to do it all yourselves--you don't need anyone else ,You nailed it in music and there is no reason why your sailing can not be as good. If you win this AC cycle it wont really be yours with a hired gun playing a key role. If you lose this AC cycle do it all yourselves next time

I mean that in a positive way  --a great nation of people.

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2 minutes ago, d2ba said:

And I edited that to say Italy is good enough to do it all yourselves--you don't need anyone else 

I think LR wouldn't be in the match right now if not for Jimmy. ETNZ wouldn't be defending right now if not for Glenn Ashby, and he's an Aussie!

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6 minutes ago, mako23 said:

The last race was nothing but a roll of the dice. However until NZ wins two more races it means nothing. Let’s hope for more wind...if your a kiwi 

Yup and let's be honest, the difference between these teams is so small that LR could win 2 tomorrow and we are back where we fucking started and no (kiwi) wants that.

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5 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

I think LR wouldn't be in the match right now if not for Jimmy. ETNZ wouldn't be defending right now if not for Glenn Ashby, and he's an Aussie!

Dunno about Jimmy, but Gashby for sure.

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1 minute ago, jaysper said:

Yup and let's be honest, the difference between these teams is so small that LR could win 2 tomorrow and we are back where we fucking started and no (kiwi) wants that.

Jays, tell me your PayPal account for the 50 USD we agreed for your support. :D :D

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Just now, jaysper said:

Yup and let's be honest, the difference between these teams is so small that LR could win 2 tomorrow and we are back where we fucking started and no (kiwi) wants that.

The telling point is, when this regatta started, right back at race 1 and 2, even 3 and 4, there was NO difference. LR was quicker upwind and TR downwind. So effectively they couldn't be separated. Now there IS an obvious difference, however small it may be. TR is faster across the board, hence the ability to reel LR in in both races. LR obviously doesn't have an advantage in light winds now. They only have their race toughness to fall back on. That may see them through once or twice, but I think TR's boat speed will see them through before LR.

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7 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Yup and let's be honest, the difference between these teams is so small that LR could win 2 tomorrow and we are back where we fucking started and no (kiwi) wants that.

This Kiwi doesn’t want the Cup to be decided by a flop fest in light and lottery conditions which looking at the forecast for tomorrow looks likely.

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17 minutes ago, d2ba said:

Its much more than that- LR is stuck in a time loop as ive been saying. Big mistake to hire gun's -thinking that previous success's will be duplicated if they can buy it. LR would have been better off keeping the entire team from Italy or even a neighbouring EU country --victory would be much sweeter if they could do it all themselves. The team is talented enough you don't have to hire guns from down under.

Wouldnt have got this far without JS he tempers the Italian emotion which they need 

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One for the rule gurus on here ,

The fairing that etnz had on  the clew area Of there mainsails today , it looked like it was much bigger then anything we have seen previous to today ?

I would have thought that the measurement certificate that the teams are currently looked into for these races would prohibit this type of mod or is there room in the rules for it ?

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12 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Jays, tell me your PayPal account for the 50 USD we agreed for your support. :D :D

Mate, needs to be a lot more than that to cover my heart surgery after today's races.

Fuck me dead, I feel like I was one of the grinders on the boats.

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If Jimmy now recognises a small speed deficit in light to medium breezes does he have any choice but to unleash the mongrel in the start box and hunt penalties or force us off the foils to win?

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4 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said:

Wouldnt have got this far without JS he tempers the Italian emotion which they need 

And LR has taught him to be part of a team - more akin to a rugby first five than an NFL quarterback.

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One thing that really pissed me off about the second race, was the fucking penalties. Effectively LR was able to, did, and were pretty much praised by the commentary team for blatantly getting penalised, and not losing much in doing so. They were penalised 4 times, had to do nothing to clear  them, and Kenny even said "these guys are gonna be saying, I don't care about your penalties, I'm going to keep taking them until I get up on the foils" what the fuck!? If you're penalised during a race, you should have to do something clear to clear them, not just sit in the same position you're in or keep going as far over the boundary as you like until you get up on the foils! They've done it before, INEOS have done it before, but ETNZ have NEVER done it. They manage the course until they get up. I think its a piss poor display of course management as well as sportsmanship to effectively keep getting away with professional fouls to get a benefit.

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6 minutes ago, Kiwicupfan said:

If Jimmy now recognises a small speed deficit in light to medium breezes does he have any choice but to unleash the mongrel in the start box and hunt penalties or force us off the foils to win?

Going for the penalty seems like high risk low reward based on what we've seen so far.

Knocking off foils might be a goer.

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33 minutes ago, jaysper said:

I'd have to go back and look to confirm, but it did look to me like they were going to go rumbling past.

Dumbest fucking tactical move of the match. I think their instincts to gybe away kicked in before they could think about the consequences.

Reminded me of when Ray Davies told DB to gybe away from Oracle who we’re almost parked on the last downwind leg of whatever race. 
We  foil gybed away, fell off the foils then lost the race. If we won that race, we would have won the America’s Cip in San Fran. 
Someone will know which race it was. 
 

Anyway, today was not a lottery. Anyone who says that has lost all rights to watch any further racing. There was still far to much racing left for it to be a lottery. 

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1 minute ago, Forourselves said:

One thing that really pissed me off about the second race, was the fucking penalties. Effectively LR was able to, did, and were pretty much praised by the commentary team for blatantly getting penalised, and not losing much in doing so. They were penalised 4 times, had to do nothing to clear  them, and Kenny even said "these guys are gonna be saying, I don't care about your penalties, I'm going to keep taking them until I get up on the foils" what the fuck!? 1) if you're penalised you should have to do something clear to clear them, not just sit in the same position you're in or keep going as far over the boundary as you like until you get up on the foils! They've done it before, INEOS have done it before, but ETNZ have NEVER done it. They manage the course until they get up. I think its a piss poor display of course management as well as sportsmanship to effectively keep getting away with professional fouls to get a benefit.

Yep effectively getting into wind outside the boundary the other teams not privy to.professional foul with little consequence.

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5 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

One thing that really pissed me off about the second race, was the fucking penalties. Effectively LR was able to, did, and were pretty much praised by the commentary team for blatantly getting penalised, and not losing much in doing so. They were penalised 4 times, had to do nothing to clear  them, and Kenny even said "these guys are gonna be saying, I don't care about your penalties, I'm going to keep taking them until I get up on the foils" what the fuck!? 1) if you're penalised you should have to do something clear to clear them, not just sit in the same position you're in or keep going as far over the boundary as you like until you get up on the foils! They've done it before, INEOS have done it before, but ETNZ have NEVER done it. They manage the course until they get up. I think its a piss poor display of course management as well as sportsmanship to effectively keep getting away with professional fouls to get a benefit.

Can't agree with you there.

Yes the rules are stupid, but everyone signed up to them and LR were just using them to their advantage.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Can't agree with you there.

Yes the rules are stupid, but everyone signed up to them and LR were just using them to their advantage.

 

 

What I don't understand is, why don't the teams just ignore the boundaries? Say you're behind by 800 metres, why not just go out side the boundary, until you're within the 50 metres, come back in with a cleared penalty and carry on? 

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4 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

What I don't understand is, why don't the teams just ignore the boundaries? Say you're behind by 800 metres, why not just go out side the boundary, until you're within the 50 metres, come back in with a cleared penalty and carry on? 

Well if there's no other rule that kicks in, they probably can except they could have an ugly meeting with the spectator fleet like INEOS nearly did.

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10 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

What I don't understand is, why don't the teams just ignore the boundaries? Say you're behind by 800 metres, why not just go out side the boundary, until you're within the 50 metres, come back in with a cleared penalty and carry on? 

I think if you don't attempt to clear quick enough you get pinged with a double penalty.  I'm fairly sure that LR got pinged while out of bounds for not doing anything to clear the existing penalty.

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35 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Jays, tell me your PayPal account for the 50 USD we agreed for your support. :D :D

Conditional love ain't worth shit, Strider. Ah...but when it is generously and freely given...

Jays don't want your money. He just wants to spread the love. ;-)

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1 minute ago, Kate short for Bob said:

I think if you don't attempt to clear quick enough you get pinged with a double penalty.  I'm fairly sure that LR got pinged while out of bounds for not doing anything to clear the existing penalty.

Its a pretty stupid rule, and extremely vague as to what happens when you're penalised. They were given a double penalty but within about 5 seconds, after not only doing nothing, but eventually foiling due to picking up breeze outside the boundary, they only had 30 metres to clear, and far more pace than what they did before they received the penalty.

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7 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

I think if you don't attempt to clear quick enough you get pinged with a double penalty.  I'm fairly sure that LR got pinged while out of bounds for not doing anything to clear the existing penalty.

5 penalties in all, wasn't it?

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18 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

I think if you don't attempt to clear quick enough you get pinged with a double penalty.  I'm fairly sure that LR got pinged while out of bounds for not doing anything to clear the existing penalty.

I think you're right but even the double penalties mean fuck all if you're parked and the opposition are flying.

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On 3/11/2021 at 8:10 AM, WakaNZ said:

 

Professional fouls? Wonder where they got that idea?

Luna Rosa must have watched too many All Blacks games... 

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3 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

5 penalties in all, wasn't it?

Or 4.  They had 100m to give up at one stage.  I'm not sure what you would change the rule to.  Basically with the narrowness of the course you are stuffed once you are off the foils anyway.  Just getting enough speed up do a 180 is hard enough.  I do wonder though if ETNZ did it slightly different to get back up by firstly sailing in displacement to get course room and then sailing down the course directly away from the next mark to get up.  LR seemed to be just going from side to side.

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1 minute ago, Sailbydate said:

Conditional love ain't worth shit, Strider. Ah...but when it is generously and freely given...

Jays don't want your money. He just wants to spread the love. ;-)

With so many others spreading shit instead, that's not bad :D

Hey, were you watching on tv or somewhere on the water or the at the village? I think it has been a great feast for you Kiwis. Hope we will give back some ass kicking tomorrow!  ;)

 

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2 minutes ago, An Interested Non-Sailor said:

Why have a time limit but shorten the race to get inside that limit?
 

Doesn’t the time limit effectively take away the “lottery aspect” in light winds?

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Just now, jaysper said:

New Zealanders consider it rude to return a present ;)

It will be tomorrow, so consider that a future. :D

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Regards to the Commentators, I thought the addition of Freddie Carr to the International feed is great value, likewise, Dean Barker adding his two cents in the TVNZ coverage is also pretty spot on.

 

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1 minute ago, strider470 said:

With so many others spreading shit instead, that's not bad :D

Hey, were you watching on tv or somewhere on the water or the at the village? I think it has been a great feast for you Kiwis. Hope we will give back some ass kicking tomorrow!  ;)

 

Would have loved to have been on the course, but watched it on TV.

Actually, I stopped watching after ETNZ's spectacular own goal gybe, thinking we were burnt soggy toast. Then Mrs SBD started hoopin and hollerin and I wondered if she'd had another visit from a fantail (insect eating tiny bird, that flits in and out of the house sometimes) until she stammered that the poor Italians had landed as well.

As I said. A win, but a very cruel one I think.

 

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8 minutes ago, jaysper said:

New Zealanders consider it rude to return a present ;)

Yeah. They're happy to flog it off on TradeMe but...

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47 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

One thing that really pissed me off about the second race, was the fucking penalties. Effectively LR was able to, did, and were pretty much praised by the commentary team for blatantly getting penalised, and not losing much in doing so. They were penalised 4 times, had to do nothing to clear  them, and Kenny even said "these guys are gonna be saying, I don't care about your penalties, I'm going to keep taking them until I get up on the foils" what the fuck!? If you're penalised during a race, you should have to do something clear to clear them, not just sit in the same position you're in or keep going as far over the boundary as you like until you get up on the foils! They've done it before, INEOS have done it before, but ETNZ have NEVER done it. They manage the course until they get up. I think its a piss poor display of course management as well as sportsmanship to effectively keep getting away with professional fouls to get a benefit.

This was discussed with the lads I watched the race with. All of us agreed. All of us current or former competitive sailors. All of us fuming with the blatant slight against the code of honesty & sportsmanship. It's Jimmy all over. He's doesn't give any fucks and will work the rules to his advantage regardless of the consequences. Look at the cock, milking the RedBull money by slurping out of the bottles like a hungry little cash slut. 

He's repulsive and common. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said:

This was discussed with the lads I watched the race with. All of us agreed. All of us current or former competitive sailors. All of us fuming with the blatant slight against the code of honesty & sportsmanship. It's Jimmy all over. He's doesn't give any fucks and will work the rules to his advantage regardless of the consequences. Look at the cock, milking the RedBull money by slurping out of the bottles like a hungry little cash slut. 

He's repulsive and common. 

 

You have a point, why not just wing etnz and take the penalty if it means they cant sail for 2 days

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11 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Would have loved to have been on the course, but watched it on TV.

Actually, I stopped watching after ETNZ's spectacular own goal gybe, thinking we were burnt soggy toast. Then Mrs SBD started hoopin and hollerin and I wondered if she'd had another visit from a fantail (insect eating tiny bird, that flits in and out of the house sometimes) until she stammered that the poor Italians had landed as well.

As I said. A win, but a very cruel one I think.

 

I’m impressed that your honest, but disappointed all the same you didn’t have some faith that the same might happen to LR!

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1 hour ago, jaysper said:

Yup and let's be honest, the difference between these teams is so small that LR could win 2 tomorrow and we are back where we fucking started and no (kiwi) wants that.

I would love  to say that your wrong and ETNZ will blitz them. Sadly your 100% correct and until 7 wins are registered I remain apprehensive. Who can forget San Francisco, a scare burnt into the brain of every Kiwi. 

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19 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said:

This was discussed with the lads I watched the race with. All of us agreed. All of us current or former competitive sailors. All of us fuming with the blatant slight against the code of honesty & sportsmanship. It's Jimmy all over. He's doesn't give any fucks and will work the rules to his advantage regardless of the consequences. Look at the cock, milking the RedBull money by slurping out of the bottles like a hungry little cash slut. 

He's repulsive and common. 

 

If you were in the trough and the only way to get up on foils is to keep going past the boundary then we might be forgiven for working the rules. Is it any different to any other exploit in the rules (e.g. cyclors)? 

As for Jimmy, I'm actually warming to him day by day in this regatta.  And that is after burning his effigy in 2013 and baying for his blood in 2017. His comments immediately after each race and during the pressers are balanced and quite insightful by comparison with ETNZ's - who invariably just dodge the topic. He's gracious in victory and defeat. The Redbull sponsorship is just part of the gig at this level. 

I never thought that I's be saying this (I'm a ETNZ fanboy) but I think that he's actually got a great personality to match his obvious sailing talent guy and renowned fierce competitive streak.  He's just doing a job - and doing it very well.

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2 hours ago, strider470 said:

ETNZ  were far behind after the start. so yes. Jimmy owned the start. Go back with the replay if you don't trust me.

Geez, I wish you guys would stop banging on about what a start box genius JS is.  These are the facts:

The boat with the big foils is easier to manouver and has won 5 of 8 starts.  The boat with the small foils is faster and has won 5 of 8 races.

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

 

As I said. A win, but a very cruel one I think.

 

I cannot agree more. A loss, but a very cruel one. 
Bad luck is something no team needs.

And the mistake PB did is one that you should pay dear in an AC match.
But the wind decided otherwise (LR splashed down and starts floating in under 6 kn...).
We've all been there at some point in our sailing. Cruel.
 

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2 hours ago, d2ba said:

LR cannot be defeated on any start --its impossible 

Doesn't matter much if their opponents have a faster boat in the right wind conditions.

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7 hours ago, Barnyb said:

Bean Rock 14 knts

I miss Bean Rock beer, it was a craft beer before that turned to wank... biggest squandaring of brand equity ever... was waaay to early, and give up half a decade too soon...

someday when I have more money than sense I plan on reviving it... 

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14 minutes ago, Regular Swimmer said:

Geez, I wish you guys would stop banging on about what a start box genius JS is.  These are the facts:

The boat with the big foils is easier to manouver and has won 5 of 8 starts.  The boat with the small foils is faster and has won 5 of 8 races.

 

 

 

This is a simplistic analysis

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12 minutes ago, Ulairi said:

If you were in the trough and the only way to get up on foils is to keep going past the boundary then we might be forgiven for working the rules. Is it any different to any other exploit in the rules (e.g. cyclors)? 

As for Jimmy, I'm actually warming to him day by day in this regatta.  And that is after burning his effigy in 2013 and baying for his blood in 2017. His comments immediately after each race and during the pressers are balanced and quite insightful by comparison with ETNZ's - who invariably just dodge the topic. He's gracious in victory and defeat. The Redbull sponsorship is just part of the gig at this level. 

I never thought that I's be saying this (I'm a ETNZ fanboy) but I think that he's actually got a great personality to match his obvious sailing talent guy and renowned fierce competitive streak.  He's just doing a job - and doing it very well.

I get the rules are the rules, and athletes work them to their advantage, but jesus, these were in essence professional fouls. And it wasn't once, it wasn't event twice, it was 4 times.

It differs to the cyclors, because it was during the state of play. Teams spend years designing boats, and that design competition plays out on the race course, but during a game/ race to go and get intentionally penalised because you know you'll gain from it, and the commentators praise you for it is next level. In most sports if you get penalised you do it discretely, so as to try to avoid getting caught, but in this, to go and blatantly ignore the rules, knowing they'd be caught on TV doing it, and the commentary team praised them for it and even went as far as to say who cares about penalties!? WTF? Really?  

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Jimmy can stand proud.! He ain't the whole Italian campaign. But he has been the best thing that's happened to that team. If the Italians lose I'm sure it won't be Jimmy's doing. Today was an example of Jimmy win the starts but lose the races. Burling was the reason their boat came off the foils and after that the Kiwi boat despite having smaller foils and jib was able to go on to win the 2nd race. Let's see what happens tomorrow but we know now the Kiwi boat is considerably faster, I wouldn't be saying anymore the performance between the boats is similar. But as for Jimmy he did well today IMO...........

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Wow. That was brutal for LR fans in the second race today. As exciting as it was for kiwis - we do feel sorry for you Italians and more importantly... we have been there - we know your pain.  There are a few examples I can think of but probably the worst was being way ahead in a race in San Fran in which a win would have won the Cup (in a situation where Oracle were clearly faster now) - for the race to then be abandoned due to taking too long.  That was a tough one. 

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