AC36: The Match (6-15th March. Reserve days to the 21st)

[Forourselves 1,690]

1 minute ago, jaysper said:

It does seem TR is a touch faster and I suspect I'd both boats were given another 2 months of racing that TR would get faster again relatively speaking.

However right here and now the difference is certainly small enough that if Pete doesn't start getting off the line first they could still lose this thing.

I think the difference was small, but its not so much any more. I think the lighter it gets, the more advantageous it is for the Kiwi's.

After today, we now know TR has the ability to overtake. Something LR hasn't shown. TR has won 3 on the trot now in the light. I think LR will win 1, maybe 2 more races, but they need 4. I think they run out of runway.

[jaysper 1,264]

14 minutes ago, Piet56 said:

Presser is going to be interesting.....

Meh, you reckon?

Jimmy will be his normal Jimmy self and Pete will recite a novel without saying a goddamn thing.

[d2ba 25]

11 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

I think their boat just isn't up to it. Up until now, their race toughness has seen them win races, The pre-starts are very practiced on LR, the VMG angles, tacking and jibing angles are all very practiced. Right now LR are very much a one trick pony. Over the course of the regatta, ETNZ has watched, learned, tweaked and countered those tricks, and now the faster boat is showing its dominance.

Its much more than that- LR is stuck in a time loop as ive been saying. Big mistake to hire gun's -thinking that previous success's will be duplicated if they can buy it. LR would have been better off keeping the entire team from Italy or even a neighbouring EU country --victory would be much sweeter if they could do it all themselves. The team is talented enough you don't have to hire guns from down under.

[jaysper 1,264]

4 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

I think the difference was small, but its not so much any more. I think the lighter it gets, the more advantageous it is for the Kiwi's.

After today, we now know TR has the ability to overtake. Something LR hasn't shown. TR has won 3 on the trot now in the light. I think LR will win 1, maybe 2 more races, but they need 4. I think they run out of runway.

Well I hope you are right.

But also hope this board doesn't turn feral against the Italians here like it did against oracle in 2013 and 2017.

[strider470 2,142]

1 minute ago, d2ba said:

Its much more than that- LR is stuck in a time loop as ive been saying. Big mistake to hire a gun -the best Helmsman in the world thinking that previous success's will be duplicated. LR would have been better offer keeping the entire team from Italy or at best a neighbouring country --victory would be sweeter if they could do it all themselves.

Please

[mako23 632]

The last race was nothing but a roll of the dice. However until NZ wins two more races it means nothing. Let’s hope for more wind...if your a kiwi 

[jaysper 1,264]

5 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Please

Put her on ignore like I have strider. Talks so much shit that she needs a roll of toilet paper bolted to her forehead.

[Fiji Bitter 1,973]

To foil or not to foil, that's the question!

Isn't that what we have all been waiting for?

Everybody is still learning, but enough is enough and a steady 10kn wind or more is now wanted, to calm our nerves...

 

[JJD 209]

1 hour ago, Tugboat said:

So many plot twists but it really is a flaw of the design that races can swing that wildly. 

What fucken dumb thing to say. 
Were the 12’s flawed?

Were the IACCs flawed?

We’re the 72’s flawed?

Were the DOG boats flawed?  

Were the 50’s flawed. 

[d2ba 25]

8 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Please

And I edited that to say Italy is good enough to do it all yourselves--you don't need anyone else ,You nailed it in music and there is no reason why your sailing can not be as good. If you win this AC cycle it wont really be yours with a hired gun playing a key role. If you lose this AC cycle do it all yourselves next time

I mean that in a positive way  --a great nation of people.

[Forourselves 1,690]

2 minutes ago, d2ba said:

And I edited that to say Italy is good enough to do it all yourselves--you don't need anyone else 

I think LR wouldn't be in the match right now if not for Jimmy. ETNZ wouldn't be defending right now if not for Glenn Ashby, and he's an Aussie!

[jaysper 1,264]

6 minutes ago, mako23 said:

The last race was nothing but a roll of the dice. However until NZ wins two more races it means nothing. Let’s hope for more wind...if your a kiwi 

Yup and let's be honest, the difference between these teams is so small that LR could win 2 tomorrow and we are back where we fucking started and no (kiwi) wants that.

[jaysper 1,264]

5 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

I think LR wouldn't be in the match right now if not for Jimmy. ETNZ wouldn't be defending right now if not for Glenn Ashby, and he's an Aussie!

Dunno about Jimmy, but Gashby for sure.

[strider470 2,142]

1 minute ago, jaysper said:

Yup and let's be honest, the difference between these teams is so small that LR could win 2 tomorrow and we are back where we fucking started and no (kiwi) wants that.

Jays, tell me your PayPal account for the 50 USD we agreed for your support.

[Justaquickone 67]

Not the day to give up Valium.

Gonna have to double the doses next heats .

[Forourselves 1,690]

Just now, jaysper said:

Yup and let's be honest, the difference between these teams is so small that LR could win 2 tomorrow and we are back where we fucking started and no (kiwi) wants that.

The telling point is, when this regatta started, right back at race 1 and 2, even 3 and 4, there was NO difference. LR was quicker upwind and TR downwind. So effectively they couldn't be separated. Now there IS an obvious difference, however small it may be. TR is faster across the board, hence the ability to reel LR in in both races. LR obviously doesn't have an advantage in light winds now. They only have their race toughness to fall back on. That may see them through once or twice, but I think TR's boat speed will see them through before LR.

[Barnyb 637]

The key stat is TR's speed in the tacks now.

They have negated LR's strength.

[Priscilla 2,803]

7 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Yup and let's be honest, the difference between these teams is so small that LR could win 2 tomorrow and we are back where we fucking started and no (kiwi) wants that.

This Kiwi doesn’t want the Cup to be decided by a flop fest in light and lottery conditions which looking at the forecast for tomorrow looks likely.

[strider470 2,142]

As promised.

 

[Liquid Assett NZ 108]

17 minutes ago, d2ba said:

Its much more than that- LR is stuck in a time loop as ive been saying. Big mistake to hire gun's -thinking that previous success's will be duplicated if they can buy it. LR would have been better off keeping the entire team from Italy or even a neighbouring EU country --victory would be much sweeter if they could do it all themselves. The team is talented enough you don't have to hire guns from down under.

Wouldnt have got this far without JS he tempers the Italian emotion which they need 

[tbm 29]

One for the rule gurus on here ,

The fairing that etnz had on  the clew area Of there mainsails today , it looked like it was much bigger then anything we have seen previous to today ?

I would have thought that the measurement certificate that the teams are currently looked into for these races would prohibit this type of mod or is there room in the rules for it ?

[jaysper 1,264]

12 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Jays, tell me your PayPal account for the 50 USD we agreed for your support.

Mate, needs to be a lot more than that to cover my heart surgery after today's races.

Fuck me dead, I feel like I was one of the grinders on the boats.

[Kiwicupfan 3]

If Jimmy now recognises a small speed deficit in light to medium breezes does he have any choice but to unleash the mongrel in the start box and hunt penalties or force us off the foils to win?

[Rhumline 67]

4 minutes ago, Liquid Assett NZ said:

Wouldnt have got this far without JS he tempers the Italian emotion which they need 

And LR has taught him to be part of a team - more akin to a rugby first five than an NFL quarterback.

[jaysper 1,264]

10 minutes ago, strider470 said:

As promised.

 

Cholesterol.... clogging...my...aaaaaaahteries!

[Forourselves 1,690]

One thing that really pissed me off about the second race, was the fucking penalties. Effectively LR was able to, did, and were pretty much praised by the commentary team for blatantly getting penalised, and not losing much in doing so. They were penalised 4 times, had to do nothing to clear  them, and Kenny even said "these guys are gonna be saying, I don't care about your penalties, I'm going to keep taking them until I get up on the foils" what the fuck!? If you're penalised during a race, you should have to do something clear to clear them, not just sit in the same position you're in or keep going as far over the boundary as you like until you get up on the foils! They've done it before, INEOS have done it before, but ETNZ have NEVER done it. They manage the course until they get up. I think its a piss poor display of course management as well as sportsmanship to effectively keep getting away with professional fouls to get a benefit.

[jaysper 1,264]

6 minutes ago, Kiwicupfan said:

If Jimmy now recognises a small speed deficit in light to medium breezes does he have any choice but to unleash the mongrel in the start box and hunt penalties or force us off the foils to win?

Going for the penalty seems like high risk low reward based on what we've seen so far.

Knocking off foils might be a goer.

[JJD 209]

33 minutes ago, jaysper said:

I'd have to go back and look to confirm, but it did look to me like they were going to go rumbling past.

Dumbest fucking tactical move of the match. I think their instincts to gybe away kicked in before they could think about the consequences.

Reminded me of when Ray Davies told DB to gybe away from Oracle who we’re almost parked on the last downwind leg of whatever race. 
We  foil gybed away, fell off the foils then lost the race. If we won that race, we would have won the America’s Cip in San Fran. 
Someone will know which race it was. 
 

Anyway, today was not a lottery. Anyone who says that has lost all rights to watch any further racing. There was still far to much racing left for it to be a lottery. 

[Guest]

Luigi Dall'Igna would have sorted LR

[Kiwicupfan 3]

1 minute ago, Forourselves said:

One thing that really pissed me off about the second race, was the fucking penalties. Effectively LR was able to, did, and were pretty much praised by the commentary team for blatantly getting penalised, and not losing much in doing so. They were penalised 4 times, had to do nothing to clear  them, and Kenny even said "these guys are gonna be saying, I don't care about your penalties, I'm going to keep taking them until I get up on the foils" what the fuck!? 1) if you're penalised you should have to do something clear to clear them, not just sit in the same position you're in or keep going as far over the boundary as you like until you get up on the foils! They've done it before, INEOS have done it before, but ETNZ have NEVER done it. They manage the course until they get up. I think its a piss poor display of course management as well as sportsmanship to effectively keep getting away with professional fouls to get a benefit.

Yep effectively getting into wind outside the boundary the other teams not privy to.professional foul with little consequence.

[jaysper 1,264]

5 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

One thing that really pissed me off about the second race, was the fucking penalties. Effectively LR was able to, did, and were pretty much praised by the commentary team for blatantly getting penalised, and not losing much in doing so. They were penalised 4 times, had to do nothing to clear  them, and Kenny even said "these guys are gonna be saying, I don't care about your penalties, I'm going to keep taking them until I get up on the foils" what the fuck!? 1) if you're penalised you should have to do something clear to clear them, not just sit in the same position you're in or keep going as far over the boundary as you like until you get up on the foils! They've done it before, INEOS have done it before, but ETNZ have NEVER done it. They manage the course until they get up. I think its a piss poor display of course management as well as sportsmanship to effectively keep getting away with professional fouls to get a benefit.

Can't agree with you there.

Yes the rules are stupid, but everyone signed up to them and LR were just using them to their advantage.

 

 

[Forourselves 1,690]

2 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Can't agree with you there.

Yes the rules are stupid, but everyone signed up to them and LR were just using them to their advantage.

 

 

What I don't understand is, why don't the teams just ignore the boundaries? Say you're behind by 800 metres, why not just go out side the boundary, until you're within the 50 metres, come back in with a cleared penalty and carry on? 

[jaysper 1,264]

4 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

What I don't understand is, why don't the teams just ignore the boundaries? Say you're behind by 800 metres, why not just go out side the boundary, until you're within the 50 metres, come back in with a cleared penalty and carry on? 

Well if there's no other rule that kicks in, they probably can except they could have an ugly meeting with the spectator fleet like INEOS nearly did.

[Kate short for Bob 438]

10 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

What I don't understand is, why don't the teams just ignore the boundaries? Say you're behind by 800 metres, why not just go out side the boundary, until you're within the 50 metres, come back in with a cleared penalty and carry on? 

I think if you don't attempt to clear quick enough you get pinged with a double penalty.  I'm fairly sure that LR got pinged while out of bounds for not doing anything to clear the existing penalty.

[Sailbydate 3,606]

35 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Jays, tell me your PayPal account for the 50 USD we agreed for your support.

Conditional love ain't worth shit, Strider. Ah...but when it is generously and freely given...

Jays don't want your money. He just wants to spread the love. ;-)

[Forourselves 1,690]

1 minute ago, Kate short for Bob said:

I think if you don't attempt to clear quick enough you get pinged with a double penalty.  I'm fairly sure that LR got pinged while out of bounds for not doing anything to clear the existing penalty.

Its a pretty stupid rule, and extremely vague as to what happens when you're penalised. They were given a double penalty but within about 5 seconds, after not only doing nothing, but eventually foiling due to picking up breeze outside the boundary, they only had 30 metres to clear, and far more pace than what they did before they received the penalty.

[Sailbydate 3,606]

7 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

I think if you don't attempt to clear quick enough you get pinged with a double penalty.  I'm fairly sure that LR got pinged while out of bounds for not doing anything to clear the existing penalty.

5 penalties in all, wasn't it?

[Barnyb 637]

[jaysper 1,264]

18 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

I think if you don't attempt to clear quick enough you get pinged with a double penalty.  I'm fairly sure that LR got pinged while out of bounds for not doing anything to clear the existing penalty.

I think you're right but even the double penalties mean fuck all if you're parked and the opposition are flying.

[richiec 47]

On 3/11/2021 at 8:10 AM, WakaNZ said:

 

Professional fouls? Wonder where they got that idea?

Luna Rosa must have watched too many All Blacks games... 

[Kate short for Bob 438]

3 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

5 penalties in all, wasn't it?

Or 4.  They had 100m to give up at one stage.  I'm not sure what you would change the rule to.  Basically with the narrowness of the course you are stuffed once you are off the foils anyway.  Just getting enough speed up do a 180 is hard enough.  I do wonder though if ETNZ did it slightly different to get back up by firstly sailing in displacement to get course room and then sailing down the course directly away from the next mark to get up.  LR seemed to be just going from side to side.

[An Interested Non-Sailor 46]

Why have a time limit but shorten the race to get inside that limit?
 

Doesn’t the time limit effectively take away the “lottery aspect” in light winds?

[strider470 2,142]

1 minute ago, Sailbydate said:

Conditional love ain't worth shit, Strider. Ah...but when it is generously and freely given...

Jays don't want your money. He just wants to spread the love. ;-)

With so many others spreading shit instead, that's not bad

Hey, were you watching on tv or somewhere on the water or the at the village? I think it has been a great feast for you Kiwis. Hope we will give back some ass kicking tomorrow! 

 

[Barnyb 637]

2 minutes ago, An Interested Non-Sailor said:

Why have a time limit but shorten the race to get inside that limit?
 

Doesn’t the time limit effectively take away the “lottery aspect” in light winds?

$$

[jaysper 1,264]

6 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Hope we will give back some ass kicking tomorrow! 

New Zealanders consider it rude to return a present 

[strider470 2,142]

Just now, jaysper said:

New Zealanders consider it rude to return a present 

It will be tomorrow, so consider that a future.

[fish7yu 560]

 

Regards to the Commentators, I thought the addition of Freddie Carr to the International feed is great value, likewise, Dean Barker adding his two cents in the TVNZ coverage is also pretty spot on.

 

[Sailbydate 3,606]

1 minute ago, strider470 said:

With so many others spreading shit instead, that's not bad

Hey, were you watching on tv or somewhere on the water or the at the village? I think it has been a great feast for you Kiwis. Hope we will give back some ass kicking tomorrow! 

 

Would have loved to have been on the course, but watched it on TV.

Actually, I stopped watching after ETNZ's spectacular own goal gybe, thinking we were burnt soggy toast. Then Mrs SBD started hoopin and hollerin and I wondered if she'd had another visit from a fantail (insect eating tiny bird, that flits in and out of the house sometimes) until she stammered that the poor Italians had landed as well.

As I said. A win, but a very cruel one I think.

 

[Sailbydate 3,606]

8 minutes ago, jaysper said:

New Zealanders consider it rude to return a present 

Yeah. They're happy to flog it off on TradeMe but...

[Salty Seacock 467]

47 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

One thing that really pissed me off about the second race, was the fucking penalties. Effectively LR was able to, did, and were pretty much praised by the commentary team for blatantly getting penalised, and not losing much in doing so. They were penalised 4 times, had to do nothing to clear  them, and Kenny even said "these guys are gonna be saying, I don't care about your penalties, I'm going to keep taking them until I get up on the foils" what the fuck!? If you're penalised during a race, you should have to do something clear to clear them, not just sit in the same position you're in or keep going as far over the boundary as you like until you get up on the foils! They've done it before, INEOS have done it before, but ETNZ have NEVER done it. They manage the course until they get up. I think its a piss poor display of course management as well as sportsmanship to effectively keep getting away with professional fouls to get a benefit.

This was discussed with the lads I watched the race with. All of us agreed. All of us current or former competitive sailors. All of us fuming with the blatant slight against the code of honesty & sportsmanship. It's Jimmy all over. He's doesn't give any fucks and will work the rules to his advantage regardless of the consequences. Look at the cock, milking the RedBull money by slurping out of the bottles like a hungry little cash slut. 

He's repulsive and common. 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said:

This was discussed with the lads I watched the race with. All of us agreed. All of us current or former competitive sailors. All of us fuming with the blatant slight against the code of honesty & sportsmanship. It's Jimmy all over. He's doesn't give any fucks and will work the rules to his advantage regardless of the consequences. Look at the cock, milking the RedBull money by slurping out of the bottles like a hungry little cash slut. 

He's repulsive and common. 

 

You have a point, why not just wing etnz and take the penalty if it means they cant sail for 2 days

[**ONTOIT** 109]

11 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Would have loved to have been on the course, but watched it on TV.

Actually, I stopped watching after ETNZ's spectacular own goal gybe, thinking we were burnt soggy toast. Then Mrs SBD started hoopin and hollerin and I wondered if she'd had another visit from a fantail (insect eating tiny bird, that flits in and out of the house sometimes) until she stammered that the poor Italians had landed as well.

As I said. A win, but a very cruel one I think.

 

I’m impressed that your honest, but disappointed all the same you didn’t have some faith that the same might happen to LR!

[Kate short for Bob 438]

I just watched the second race again.  What was noticeable to me was Bruni was well off his game and was always just behind on what was going to happen next.

[mako23 632]

1 hour ago, jaysper said:

Yup and let's be honest, the difference between these teams is so small that LR could win 2 tomorrow and we are back where we fucking started and no (kiwi) wants that.

I would love  to say that your wrong and ETNZ will blitz them. Sadly your 100% correct and until 7 wins are registered I remain apprehensive. Who can forget San Francisco, a scare burnt into the brain of every Kiwi. 

[Kate short for Bob 438]

With regard to the penalties don't forget you can't clear them unless you are on the course proper.

[Ulairi 19]

19 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said:

This was discussed with the lads I watched the race with. All of us agreed. All of us current or former competitive sailors. All of us fuming with the blatant slight against the code of honesty & sportsmanship. It's Jimmy all over. He's doesn't give any fucks and will work the rules to his advantage regardless of the consequences. Look at the cock, milking the RedBull money by slurping out of the bottles like a hungry little cash slut. 

He's repulsive and common. 

 

If you were in the trough and the only way to get up on foils is to keep going past the boundary then we might be forgiven for working the rules. Is it any different to any other exploit in the rules (e.g. cyclors)? 

As for Jimmy, I'm actually warming to him day by day in this regatta.  And that is after burning his effigy in 2013 and baying for his blood in 2017. His comments immediately after each race and during the pressers are balanced and quite insightful by comparison with ETNZ's - who invariably just dodge the topic. He's gracious in victory and defeat. The Redbull sponsorship is just part of the gig at this level. 

I never thought that I's be saying this (I'm a ETNZ fanboy) but I think that he's actually got a great personality to match his obvious sailing talent guy and renowned fierce competitive streak.  He's just doing a job - and doing it very well.

[Regular Swimmer 31]

2 hours ago, strider470 said:

ETNZ  were far behind after the start. so yes. Jimmy owned the start. Go back with the replay if you don't trust me.

Geez, I wish you guys would stop banging on about what a start box genius JS is.  These are the facts:

The boat with the big foils is easier to manouver and has won 5 of 8 starts.  The boat with the small foils is faster and has won 5 of 8 races.

 

 

 

[Thewas 162]

31 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

 

As I said. A win, but a very cruel one I think.

 

I cannot agree more. A loss, but a very cruel one. 
Bad luck is something no team needs.

And the mistake PB did is one that you should pay dear in an AC match.
But the wind decided otherwise (LR splashed down and starts floating in under 6 kn...).
We've all been there at some point in our sailing. Cruel.
 

[Indio 960]

2 hours ago, d2ba said:

LR cannot be defeated on any start --its impossible 

Doesn't matter much if their opponents have a faster boat in the right wind conditions.

[Horn Rock 1,712]

Was treated to 15 seconds of cup coverage on 9 news tonight. Such a big deal over here.

[in_TO 9]

I think R8 spells the end of foiling boats in the Cup. Convince me I am wrong.

[rh3000 1,883]

7 hours ago, Barnyb said:

Bean Rock 14 knts

I miss Bean Rock beer, it was a craft beer before that turned to wank... biggest squandaring of brand equity ever... was waaay to early, and give up half a decade too soon...

someday when I have more money than sense I plan on reviving it... 

[strider470 2,142]

14 minutes ago, Regular Swimmer said:

Geez, I wish you guys would stop banging on about what a start box genius JS is.  These are the facts:

The boat with the big foils is easier to manouver and has won 5 of 8 starts.  The boat with the small foils is faster and has won 5 of 8 races.

 

 

 

This is a simplistic analysis

[Forourselves 1,690]

12 minutes ago, Ulairi said:

If you were in the trough and the only way to get up on foils is to keep going past the boundary then we might be forgiven for working the rules. Is it any different to any other exploit in the rules (e.g. cyclors)? 

As for Jimmy, I'm actually warming to him day by day in this regatta.  And that is after burning his effigy in 2013 and baying for his blood in 2017. His comments immediately after each race and during the pressers are balanced and quite insightful by comparison with ETNZ's - who invariably just dodge the topic. He's gracious in victory and defeat. The Redbull sponsorship is just part of the gig at this level. 

I never thought that I's be saying this (I'm a ETNZ fanboy) but I think that he's actually got a great personality to match his obvious sailing talent guy and renowned fierce competitive streak.  He's just doing a job - and doing it very well.

I get the rules are the rules, and athletes work them to their advantage, but jesus, these were in essence professional fouls. And it wasn't once, it wasn't event twice, it was 4 times.

It differs to the cyclors, because it was during the state of play. Teams spend years designing boats, and that design competition plays out on the race course, but during a game/ race to go and get intentionally penalised because you know you'll gain from it, and the commentators praise you for it is next level. In most sports if you get penalised you do it discretely, so as to try to avoid getting caught, but in this, to go and blatantly ignore the rules, knowing they'd be caught on TV doing it, and the commentary team praised them for it and even went as far as to say who cares about penalties!? WTF? Really?  

[terrafirma 1,339]

Jimmy can stand proud.! He ain't the whole Italian campaign. But he has been the best thing that's happened to that team. If the Italians lose I'm sure it won't be Jimmy's doing. Today was an example of Jimmy win the starts but lose the races. Burling was the reason their boat came off the foils and after that the Kiwi boat despite having smaller foils and jib was able to go on to win the 2nd race. Let's see what happens tomorrow but we know now the Kiwi boat is considerably faster, I wouldn't be saying anymore the performance between the boats is similar. But as for Jimmy he did well today IMO...........

[1eyedkiwi 65]

Wow. That was brutal for LR fans in the second race today. As exciting as it was for kiwis - we do feel sorry for you Italians and more importantly... we have been there - we know your pain.  There are a few examples I can think of but probably the worst was being way ahead in a race in San Fran in which a win would have won the Cup (in a situation where Oracle were clearly faster now) - for the race to then be abandoned due to taking too long.  That was a tough one. 

[kenergy 622]

2 minutes ago, strider470 said:

This is a simplistic analysis

Sometimes simple is enough to get to the heart of a matter. If NZ are concerned about falling off the foils they will sail conservatively, hard to win starts when you are conservative. 

[Sailbydate 3,606]

5 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

Was treated to 15 seconds of cup coverage on 9 news tonight. Such a big deal over here.

Ya gotta be in it ta win it, HR.

I'm sure you Aussies would turn out for the partying droves, if you BYO.

[kenergy 622]

And there is nothing more enjoyable than reading these threads after racing has finished,  it's a repeat of the rollercoaster that the races are

[richiec 47]

5 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

I get the rules are the rules, and athletes work them to their advantage, but jesus, these were in essence professional fouls. And it wasn't once, it wasn't event twice, it was 4 times.

It differs to the cyclors, because it was during the state of play. Teams spend years designing boats, and that design competition plays out on the race course, but during a game/ race to go and get intentionally penalised because you know you'll gain from it, and the commentators praise you for it is next level. In most sports if you get penalised you do it discretely, so as to try to avoid getting caught, but in this, to go and blatantly ignore the rules, knowing they'd be caught on TV doing it, and the commentary team praised them for it and even went as far as to say who cares about penalties!? WTF? Really?  

What the rest of the world think when watching rugby against the AB's. 

[strider470 2,142]

8 minutes ago, kenergy said:

Sometimes simple is enough to get to the heart of a matter. If NZ are concerned about falling off the foils they will sail conservatively, hard to win starts when you are conservative. 

They were not engaged in tight manouvering and the wind was not into marginal foiling range at the start. It was up to better or worse positioning, in my opinion of course.

[kenergy 622]

1 minute ago, strider470 said:

They were not engaged in tight manouvering and the wind was not into marginal foiling range at the start. It was up to better or worse positioning, in my opinion of course.

The whole start sequence in these boats doesnt seem to leave many opportunities for tight manoeuvring,  and as we saw on Saturday the price for even a quick splashdown is high. 

If the boats are kept for next cycle I hope there are changes made to the starting sequence. 

[strider470 2,142]

Just now, kenergy said:

The whole start sequence in these boats doesnt seem to leave many opportunities for tight manoeuvring,  and as we saw on Saturday the price for even a quick splashdown is high. 

If the boats are kept for next cycle I hope there are changes made to the starting sequence. 

Someone suggested going back to cat's reaching starts, others a larger starting box. For sure they have to do something and extend the prestart time. 2 min is just not enough time to see some battle.

[rh3000 1,883]

I've found myself heavily distracted by work, family and foiling over the last few weeks, and it's been all I can do to keep up with the posts on here, but I figured it worth giving a bit of an update for those that can't be here due to the pandemic.

Old Story - PRADA CUP LAST DAY

Firstly, I made it out onto the track for the last day of Ineos and Prada in my 4.5m 1978 Fleetline Sapphire with a mate from England. Launched from an angst-ridden Okahu bay around 2, and headed out to the sandbar by the light house for some quiet drinks before the racing started. Then skirted across to the side of the start box that looks so good on TV. Got a spot right on the boundary boy alongside a nice English gent and his family in a RIB worth about 20x my boat. 

The crowd was great, a massive floatilla of ladies hitting the bubbles, and boys old and young trying to impress by diving into the water. Wing-foiler playing the rodeo clown by whipping in and out of the boats, getting cheers and just about catching beers.

Gin palaces arrive late, park in front, dump anchor and drag back onto us smaller boats. Cunts. Close to starting area, but hard to follow races once the horizon matters, so keep track on YT in the cabin, whilst the wind turns against tide and we fucking ROLL for a few hours. Sea sickness kicks in, but frequently distracted by relocating fenders every 15 mins as we try to avoid all the late cunts who've come and anchored far too close.

Enjoy bottom mark roundings to at least see deltas and boats getting close.

At the finish of the last race, we finally have the gin palace in front drag enough to crash into our boat, over our anchor line, so we decide to idle, carefully pull the anchor and wander out in front of the floatilla and sneak home. Police come over, bark at us to slow down, and tell me off for leaving my fenders out. Both AC boats towed through us, LR with their victory banner hanging from the mast - felt like a gladiator's victory march! Special moment!

Made it back to land happy to have been out on the water to experience first hand, but adamant its not a great viewing experience for those that want to closely follow the action, certainly when you are in charge of the boat, and it's not a nice tall, stable one, and it doesn't have a 65" OLED in the saloon.

[Barnyb 637]

 

[kenergy 622]

5 minutes ago, rh3000 said:

I've found myself heavily distracted by work, family and foiling over the last few weeks, and it's been all I can do to keep up with the posts on here, but I figured it worth giving a bit of an update for those that can't be here due to the pandemic.

Old Story - PRADA CUP LAST DAY

Firstly, I made it out onto the track for the last day of Ineos and Prada in my 4.5m 1978 Fleetline Sapphire with a mate from England. Launched from an angst-ridden Okahu bay around 2, and headed out to the sandbar by the light house for some quiet drinks before the racing started. Then skirted across to the side of the start box that looks so good on TV. Got a spot right on the boundary boy alongside a nice English gent and his family in a RIB worth about 20x my boat. 

The crowd was great, a massive floatilla of ladies hitting the bubbles, and boys old and young trying to impress by diving into the water. Wing-foiler playing the rodeo clown by whipping in and out of the boats, getting cheers and just about catching beers.

Gin palaces arrive late, park in front, dump anchor and drag back onto us smaller boats. Cunts. Close to starting area, but hard to follow races once the horizon matters, so keep track on YT in the cabin, whilst the wind turns against tide and we fucking ROLL for a few hours. Sea sickness kicks in, but frequently distracted by relocating fenders every 15 mins as we try to avoid all the late cunts who've come and anchored far too close.

Enjoy bottom mark roundings to at least see deltas and boats getting close.

At the finish of the last race, we finally have the gin palace in front drag enough to crash into our boat, over our anchor line, so we decide to idle, carefully pull the anchor and wander out in front of the floatilla and sneak home. Police come over, bark at us to slow down, and tell me off for leaving my fenders out. Both AC boats towed through us, LR with their victory banner hanging from the mast - felt like a gladiator's victory march! Special moment!

Made it back to land happy to have been out on the water to experience first hand, but adamant its not a great viewing experience for those that want to closely follow the action, certainly when you are in charge of the boat, and it's not a nice tall, stable one, and it doesn't have a 65" OLED in the saloon.

I've been out a few times now, and the fuckwits who turn up late and squeeze into spots they cant fit into should be sunk. 

[sfigone 391]

2 hours ago, dorydude said:

5 million Kiwis willing the Italians to fall off the foils wouldn't have helped either..

Also no help from 50 Kiwis waiving flags in the light breeze just beyond the top mark.   Plus I'm pretty sure there are a couple butterflies in the Amazon that can also be held responsible!

[Joakim 86]

So unlucky for LR. I felt they kind of forced TR to drop off the foils. There was no way to pass at that point, Pete got greedy and jibed. It would not have been easy on the winward side in bad air and LR free to luff them off the foils.

LR didn't really deserve the wind they got for the rest of the race. First light enough to drop them off the foils and then windy enough that TR had no troubles staying up.

What wind speed is needed to get up and what is needed to tack? I guess there is a 1-2 kn hysteresis.

[Barnyb 637]

 

[36thLatitude 90]

5 minutes ago, kenergy said:

I've been out a few times now, and the fuckwits who turn up late and squeeze into spots they cant fit into should be sunk. 

Its bloody entertaining watching landlubbers trying to anchor their boats...I watched one guy try about 20 times...I doubt any of his chain was even touching the seabed

[shanghaisailor 1,757]

2 hours ago, jaysper said:

Going for the penalty seems like high risk low reward based on what we've seen so far.

Knocking off foils might be a goer.

I agree - penalty attempts haven't been too successful for JS so far.

[kenergy 622]

1 minute ago, 36thLatitude said:

Its bloody entertaining watching landlubbers trying to anchor their boats...I watched one guy try about 20 times...I doubt any of his chain was even touching the seabed

Money doesn't make you a boater that's for sure.