Fakenews 1,187 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 But is to chickenshit to admit it. https://www.mediaite.com/news/matt-schlapp-denies-accusations-that-cpac-stage-was-designed-to-evoke-nazi-symbolism/ Troubling.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,427 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 It would be interesting to know who actually designed that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mrleft8 2,425 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Gosh............. Imagine the denial from the republicans if the stage had looked like a swastika! "No! No! That's an ancient American Indian symbol! We were just showing how much we love the people that we try to kill every day of every year because they live on the land that we want to rape and pillage!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ExOmo 115 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Build the wall 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Borracho 1,871 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Would they lose voters if they appeared in full Nazi costumes? Advocated some racial purity and cleansing regimen? Doubt it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3to1 499 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 ringling bros. doesn't have shit on those evil klowns and their candy-coated orgy of bullshit, corruption and idiocy. it's a shame a gas pipe beneath their shit show didn't blow it all to kingdom cum only to fall back down to hell where it belongs. real shame, in fact. but seriously, 'why can't we all get along'? i luv my cuntry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Navig8tor 1,254 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 35 minutes ago, 3to1 said: but seriously, 'why can't we all get along'? i luv my cuntry. The white folk conservatives can’t have that, if everyone got along, the colourful folk wouldn’t vote for them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 1,341 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Totally clear that the stage is a tribute to Nazi - not merely fascist - symbolism . https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/2/26/2018354/-Why-the-Odal-Othala-Rune-Used-By-CPAC-is-100-Explicitly-a-Nazi-Symbol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 OFGS.....Spot the people harming the country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bus Driver 4,422 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 16 minutes ago, Dog said: OFGS.....Spot the people harming the country. Care to address the topic of the thread - the design of the CPAC stage? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 17 minutes ago, Bus Driver said: Care to address the topic of the thread - the design of the CPAC stage? I did address the topic. It is the people who make the patently absurd claim that the design of the stage indicates Nazi sympathies who are the ones harming the country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bus Driver 4,422 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Dog said: I did address the topic. It is the people who make the patently absurd claim that the design of the stage indicates Nazi sympathies who are the ones harming the country. Are you suggesting the fact that the stage at CPAC is the exact design of a Nazi symbol, that was also on flags at Charleston, is an innocent mistake? Probably as much of a "mistake" as holding a rally in Tulsa on June 19th. Totally innocent. No hidden message, there. Or, are you just too fucking dense to "get" the symbolism and the point? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillysailor 2,519 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 4 minutes ago, Dog said: I did address the topic. It is the people who make the patently absurd claim that the design of the stage indicates Nazi sympathies who are the ones harming the country. How do you _know_ the symbology was unintentional? Do you have access to insider knowledge? Or are you just distracting from the fact that there has been little effort by CPAC to alter or de-emphasize the similarities since it’s been identified? If they were embarrassed by having re-created a NAZI symbol hosting all their speakers including the immediate past president of the US, they certainly aren’t showing it. Likewise, Trump isn’t raising objections, so he doesn’t seem to mind standing on a stage now labeled as fascist. Isnt that somewhat interesting? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Bus Driver said: Are you suggesting the fact that the stage at CPAC is the exact design of a Nazi symbol, that was also on flags at Charleston, is an innocent mistake? Probably as much of a "mistake" as holding a rally in Tulsa on June 19th. Totally innocent. No hidden message, there. Or, are you just too fucking dense to "get" the symbolism and the point? I'm suggesting that if you believe the design of the stage indicates Nazi sympathies you're the problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, phillysailor said: How do you _know_ the symbology was unintentional? Do you have access to insider knowledge? Or are you just distracting from the fact that there has been little effort by CPAC to alter or de-emphasize the similarities since it’s been identified? If they were embarrassed by having re-created a NAZI symbol hosting all their speakers including the immediate past president of the US, they certainly aren’t showing it. Likewise, Trump isn’t raising objections, so he doesn’t seem to mind standing on a stage now labeled as fascist. Isnt that somewhat interesting? Dude...who exactly is it drawing conclusions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bus Driver 4,422 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Dog said: I'm suggesting that if you believe the design of the stage indicates Nazi sympathies you're the problem. Right. The GOP has decided it is cool with having openly racist folks in their ranks, and I am the problem. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shortforbob 2,244 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 It's hard to believe that the same people that would design a stage set using an ancient rune design would also approve this abomination. But Nazi's would. (Is he really wearing ruby flip flops?) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillysailor 2,519 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, Dog said: 7 minutes ago, phillysailor said: How do you _know_ the symbology was unintentional? Do you have access to insider knowledge? Or are you just distracting from the fact that there has been little effort by CPAC to alter or de-emphasize the similarities since it’s been identified? If they were embarrassed by having re-created a NAZI symbol hosting all their speakers including the immediate past president of the US, they certainly aren’t showing it. Likewise, Trump isn’t raising objections, so he doesn’t seem to mind standing on a stage now labeled as fascist. Isnt that somewhat interesting? Dude...who exactly is it drawing conclusions? I didn’t draw conclusions. I 1. asked you if you had insider knowledge regarding the symbol, since you’ve concluded there is no significance to the stage design. 2. I’ve noted that organizers have defended the stage and not seen fit to alter it despite it having been identified as a fascist symbol. 3. I must’ve missed Trumps announcement to refuse to speak from the stage, because you’ve concluded I’m wrong about his feelings on the matter. So, I guess you are jumping to conclusions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mrleft8 2,425 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I wonder how those evangelicals feel about worshiping a golden idol of Trump, holding a magic wand and wearing American flag underpants. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 12 minutes ago, phillysailor said: I didn’t draw conclusions. I 1. asked you if you had insider knowledge regarding the symbol, since you’ve concluded there is no significance to the stage design. 2. I’ve noted that organizers have defended the stage and not seen fit to alter it despite it having been identified as a fascist symbol. 3. I must’ve missed Trumps announcement to refuse to speak from the stage, because you’ve concluded I’m wrong about his feelings on the matter. So, I guess you are jumping to conclusions. I'm an architect. I can see a functional logic behind the design. Alleging that there is some sinister message is QAnon territory. Edit...Might appeal to the kind of people who downvote others to 666. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shortforbob 2,244 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said: I wonder how those evangelicals feel about worshiping a golden idol of Trump, holding a magic wand and wearing American flag underpants. and ruby flip flops Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shortforbob 2,244 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, Dog said: I'm an architect. I can see a functional logic behind the design. Alleging that there is some sinister message is QAnon territory. Edit...Might appeal to the kind of people who downvote others to 666. You could be right. However with the number of times the Right have "inadvertently" used suspiciously nazi looking symbols at their functions, on their posters, on their flags, you, as an architect would have to agree they must be really fucking stupid. Would you design a building that looked like a cats arsehole? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pond sailor 16 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Edit...Might appeal to the kind of people who downvote others to 666. Or people who believe birth certificates pose interesting questions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 2,260 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 34 minutes ago, Dog said: I'm suggesting that if you believe the design of the stage indicates Nazi sympathies you're the problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillysailor 2,519 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 30 minutes ago, Dog said: I'm an architect. I can see a functional logic behind the design. Alleging that there is some sinister message is QAnon territory. Edit...Might appeal to the kind of people who downvote others to 666. As an architect, how would you feel if your latest building was publicly outed as being in the form of a fascist symbol? Would you immediately steps to 1. Consider the reactions of the many & varied people who might be reluctant to use your creation? 2. Take steps to make them feel welcome? 3. Immediately begin to worry about your reputation and express an intent to avoid such symbology in the future? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mrleft8 2,425 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, phillysailor said: As an architect, how would you feel if your latest building was publicly outre as being in the form of a fascist symbol? Would you immediately steps to 1. Consider the reactions of the many & varied people who might be reluctant to use your creation? 2. Take steps to make them feel welcome? Dog's an architect like I'm a neuropsychopharmacologist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillysailor 2,519 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Nah, he may well be an architect, but in this case he’s more of an apologist Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bus Driver 4,422 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, phillysailor said: Nah, he may well be an architect, but in this case he’s more of an apologist "in this case"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 12 minutes ago, phillysailor said: As an architect, how would you feel if your latest building was publicly outre as being in the form of a fascist symbol? Would you immediately steps to 1. Consider the reactions of the many & varied people who might be reluctant to use your creation? 2. Take steps to make them feel welcome? Depends on whether I thought the critics had ulterior motives and were over reaching. How do you feel about the efforts here to use the similarities to demonize and divide? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, phillysailor said: Nah, he may well be an architect, but in this case he’s more of an apologist Apologist for what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 1,997 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Dog said: I did address the topic. It is the people who make the patently absurd claim that the design of the stage indicates Nazi sympathies who are the ones harming the country. BTW, I'd prefer not to be called an apologist for antifa. I'm a supporter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2slow 150 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 4 minutes ago, Dog said: Depends on whether I thought the critics had ulterior motives and were over reaching. How do you feel about the efforts here to use the similarities to demonize and divide? Yeah, people who demonize and divide are bad and those awful Democrats are SO guilty. Are you laughing when you write utter bullshit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,187 Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, Dog said: Depends on whether I thought the critics had ulterior motives and were over reaching. How do you feel about the efforts here to use the similarities to demonize and divide? Pointing out that the GOP embraces Nazi imagery is demonizing and divisive? I’m down with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remodel 512 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Mrleft8 said: I wonder how those evangelicals feel about worshiping a golden idol of Trump, holding a magic wand taking a mace to the Constitution, and wearing American flag underpants. Take a closer look. He's holding a mace, not a wand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Olsonist 1,997 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 8 minutes ago, Remodel said: Take a closer look. He's holding a mace, not a wand. fasces Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillysailor 2,519 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 At first, pointing out that the stage is a NAZI symbol, is simply alerting everyone to the resemblance. People can make mistakes, and others can call them on it and pontificate. It happens. But after that, CPACs refusal to take the fascist symbol seriously and take steps to disavow such associations creates the appearance that they don’t care. And now, by doubling down by declaring that those pointing out the origins of the symbol are somehow dividing Americans, CPAC and their apologists are declaring that they don’t mind being associated with NAZI symbols. They are trying to make fascism more acceptable. Unless they demand alteration, the GOP is ok with being represented by NAZI symbology. The ball is firmly in Trump’s court. They are already associated with overturning our electoral results by force, threat, bribery and legal shenanigans. Now they are apparently accepting white nationalism, anti-semitism and fascism... think of Roger Stone’s Proud Boys, chants of “Blood & Soil.” At this point they are just advertising the historical roots of their doctrines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steam Flyer 5,305 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 18 minutes ago, phillysailor said: At first, pointing out that the stage is a NAZI symbol, is simply alerting everyone to the resemblance. People can make mistakes, and others can call them on it and pontificate. It happens. But after that, CPACs refusal to take the fascist symbol seriously and take steps to disavow such associations creates the appearance that they don’t care. And now, by doubling down by declaring that those pointing out the origins of the symbol are somehow dividing Americans, CPAC and their apologists are declaring that they don’t mind being associated with NAZI symbols. They are trying to make fascism more acceptable. Unless they demand alteration, the GOP is ok with being represented by NAZI symbology. The ball is firmly in Trump’s court. They are already associated with overturning our electoral results by force, threat, bribery and legal shenanigans. Now they are apparently accepting white nationalism, anti-semitism and fascism... think of Roger Stone’s Proud Boys, chants of “Blood & Soil.” At this point they are just advertising the historical roots of their doctrines. Talking head Trumpublican lady on morning shows is saying that the Republican Party NEEDS all the voters that Trump brought in... was immediately shouted down by the rest of the table for courting violent whackoes, white supremacists, Nazis, etc etc, she really didn't have an answer. Looks more and more like the Democratic Party coalition is chunks in undercooked Jello but is at least slightly focused on reality. The same lady said that Trump's speech today will focus on "conservative values like limited government" instead of his personal grievances... we'll see - DSK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillysailor 2,519 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Bus Driver said: 1 hour ago, phillysailor said: Nah, he may well be an architect, but in this case he’s more of an apologist "in this case"? Yes. An architect would understand the power of symbols, their importance and how to create structures which reflect the ethics and vision of the client. If @Dog was acting as an architect in this case, then he is endorsing CPACs decision to be represented by a NAZI symbol. I was giving @Dog the benefit of the doubt by saying he was just trying to explain away their failure to address a symbol of hate and authoritarianism. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kent_island_sailor 3,697 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, phillysailor said: As an architect, how would you feel if your latest building was publicly outed as being in the form of a fascist symbol? Would you immediately steps to 1. Consider the reactions of the many & varied people who might be reluctant to use your creation? 2. Take steps to make them feel welcome? 3. Immediately begin to worry about your reputation and express an intent to avoid such symbology in the future? Dog's latest design. He strongly rejects the notion of any phallic symbolism whatsoever and says those that imagine a penis shape are harming the country. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bus Driver 4,422 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 36 minutes ago, phillysailor said: 2 hours ago, Bus Driver said: 2 hours ago, phillysailor said: Nah, he may well be an architect, but in this case he’s more of an apologist "in this case"? Yes. An architect would understand the power of symbols, their importance and how to create structures which reflect the ethics and vision of the client. If @Dog was acting as an architect in this case, then he is endorsing CPACs decision to be represented by a NAZI symbol. I was giving @Dog the benefit of the doubt by saying he was just trying to explain away their failure to address a symbol of hate and authoritarianism. The Dog of late has made it his mission to be an apologist for the GOP (in general) and The Former Guy (specifically). Well, that is, when he isn't starting threads about the Democrat Outrage O' Day (DOOD). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 3,446 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, phillysailor said: As an architect, how would you feel if your latest building was publicly outed as being in the form of a fascist symbol? Would you immediately steps to 1. Consider the reactions of the many & varied people who might be reluctant to use your creation? 2. Take steps to make them feel welcome? 3. Immediately begin to worry about your reputation and express an intent to avoid such symbology in the future? 4. Attack the accusers cause you’re a fucking nazi ( @Dogis making a pretty solid case that he is, in fact, a Nazi) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 3,446 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 48 minutes ago, phillysailor said: I was giving @Dog the benefit of the doubt by saying he was just trying to explain away their failure to address a symbol of hate and authoritarianism. That’s what Nazis do. They play on the fact that others can’t really imagine they are really just fucking Nazis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remodel 512 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Remodel said: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, phillysailor said: At first, pointing out that the stage is a NAZI symbol, is simply alerting everyone to the resemblance. People can make mistakes, and others can call them on it and pontificate. It happens. But after that, CPACs refusal to take the fascist symbol seriously and take steps to disavow such associations creates the appearance that they don’t care. And now, by doubling down by declaring that those pointing out the origins of the symbol are somehow dividing Americans, CPAC and their apologists are declaring that they don’t mind being associated with NAZI symbols. They are trying to make fascism more acceptable. Unless they demand alteration, the GOP is ok with being represented by NAZI symbology. The ball is firmly in Trump’s court. They are already associated with overturning our electoral results by force, threat, bribery and legal shenanigans. Now they are apparently accepting white nationalism, anti-semitism and fascism... think of Roger Stone’s Proud Boys, chants of “Blood & Soil.” At this point they are just advertising the historical roots of their doctrines. Either the organizers are Nazi sympathizers and the design intended to represent those sympathies (no one with a brain believes that) or they did not and any similarity is purely coincidental. What is clearly intentional however is the attempt use it to dupe the gullible and to demonize and divide. Get back to me if they start using the Sieg Heil salute. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 53 minutes ago, Remodel said: What does it mean if it's upside down? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remodel 512 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 It's not upside down if your facing the audience or standing on the podium. And you're supposed to be an architect. Sheesh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, Remodel said: It's not upside down if your facing the audience or standing on the podium. And you're supposed to be an architect. Sheesh. What good is that? It is upside down to the audience. If this is deliberate that's a big mistake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remodel 512 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, Dog said: What good is that? It is upside down to the audience. If this is deliberate that's a big mistake. Not that's funny. You not giving conservatives credit for having enough brain power to see what is clear to just about all sentient adults. HAHAHAHAHA! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 3,446 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 21 minutes ago, Dog said: What does it mean if it's upside down? It means you’re a Nazi apologist Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dacapo 1,171 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 16 hours ago, Ishmael said: It would be interesting to know who actually designed that. Stephen Miller of course Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ishmael 6,427 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, dacapo said: Stephen Miller of course That was my first guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bugsy 448 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Dog said: Get back to me if they start using the Sieg Heil salute. Oh, but they do! Do a Google image search on "trump supporters giving nazi salute". I will not post those photos here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.J. Porter 2,915 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 6 hours ago, Dog said: I'm an architect. I can see a functional logic behind the design. Alleging that there is some sinister message is QAnon territory. Edit...Might appeal to the kind of people who downvote others to 666. Please explain the functional logic. This isn't a strip club. No one needs to get close to Kimberly Guilfoyle to stuff bills in her garter. It's not a fashion show, where you might want to have seats to view models and outfits from all angles. It's not even a stage show with dancing and singing. Please elaborate, as an architect, how how this particular shape adds function to a speaker driven event. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.J. Porter 2,915 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 hours ago, Remodel said: Take a closer look. He's holding a mace, not a wand. I don't know, to me it looks like he mugged Glinda the Good Witch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,214 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Witch Hunt Cancel culture I invented the vaccine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillysailor 2,519 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 4 hours ago, Dog said: Either the organizers are Nazi sympathizers and the design intended to represent those sympathies (no one with a brain believes that) or they did not and any similarity is purely coincidental. What is clearly intentional however is the attempt use it to dupe the gullible and to demonize and divide. Get back to me if they start using the Sieg Heil salute. We agree that the original design may well have inadvertently replicated a NAZI symbol. I’ve said that, repeatedly. It is CPACs refusal to constructively address the issue and make changes in the design that show they don’t think it is an issue. Similarly, Trumps willingness to speak from such a stage after its symbology had been outed shows he doesn’t care. And you’ve indicated you don’t care either. So none of you care that CPAC, and by extension the GOP, is now represented by fascist symbols. Fine. But Republicans embrace of these symbols doesn’t mean the rest of America, or the world, thinks it’s ok. You are offending Jews, gypsies, LGBTQ, our allies with whom we fought NAZIs and who are dealing with their own right wing extremism... but you don’t care enough to even suggest a stage design be altered. You and your party are currently giving comfort to extremists in our country, groups who recently stormed the Capitol... and have the chutzpah to say WE are dividing the nation? Duck you @Dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, phillysailor said: We agree that the original design may well have inadvertently replicated a NAZI symbol. I’ve said that, repeatedly. It is CPACs refusal to constructively address the issue and make changes in the design that show they don’t think it is an issue. Similarly, Trumps willingness to speak from such a stage after its symbology had been outed shows he doesn’t care. And you’ve indicated you don’t care either. So none of you care that CPAC, and by extension the GOP, is now represented by fascist symbols. Fine. But Republicans embrace of these symbols doesn’t mean the rest of America, or the world, thinks it’s ok. You are offending Jews, gypsies, LGBTQ, our allies with whom we fought NAZIs and who are dealing with their own right wing extremism... but you don’t care enough to even suggest a stage design be altered. You and your party are currently giving comfort to extremists in our country, groups who recently stormed the Capitol... and have the chutzpah to say WE are dividing the nation? Duck you @Dog I'm sure they regard it all as a tempest in a teapot (their right about that) and are treating it with the seriousness it deserves. BTW...I have not given comfort to the assholes who stormed the capitol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fakenews 1,187 Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 20 minutes ago, Sean said: The diagonal from top left to right is a lock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phillysailor 2,519 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, Dog said: I'm sure they regard it all as a tempest in a teapot (their right about that) and are treating it with the seriousness it deserves. From the Christian white perspective, it’s all good. Its only when you consider real American’s opinions that you realize you are supporting apartheid. There’s one set of rules for people like you, and there’s another set for less valuable people & their opinions. In order to be a Republican these days, you have to be willing to tolerate NAZI symbology, worship the golden Trump statue, protest against abortion and for putting kids in cages after stripping them from their parents, suppressing the votes of minorities and maintaining ineffective government. That ain’t American, least not my picture if it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
billy backstay 1,008 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I am recording Trumps speech on Faux News, since Missus BB refuses to be exposed to it. Hold your friends close, and your enemies closer....SunTzu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 16 minutes ago, phillysailor said: From the Christian white perspective, it’s all good. Its only when you consider real American’s opinions that you realize you are supporting apartheid. There’s one set of rules for people like you, and there’s another set for less valuable people & their opinions. In order to be a Republican these days, you have to be willing to tolerate NAZI symbology, worship the golden Trump statue, protest against abortion and for putting kids in cages after stripping them from their parents, suppressing the votes of minorities and maintaining ineffective government. That ain’t American, least not my picture if it. OFGS...I'm not supporting apartheid, believe in a colorblind society, am pro choice up to 20 weeks, and don't support separating families. (BTW...The un-accompanied minor problem is reaching crisis proportions again now that Biden has signaled the all clear) Record 13,000 unaccompanied migrant kids projected to cross the U.S. border in May (yahoo.com) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Left Shift 2,846 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, B.J. Porter said: Please explain the functional logic. This isn't a strip club. No one needs to get close to Kimberly Guilfoyle to stuff bills in her garter. It's not a fashion show, where you might want to have seats to view models and outfits from all angles. It's not even a stage show with dancing and singing. Please elaborate, as an architect, how how this particular shape adds function to a speaker driven event. Being an "architect" really is not an automatic proof of anyone being able to see "functional logic". There are far too many examples of buildings that demonstrate that. However, being educated as a designer should make the importance of symbolism, whether inadvertent or intended, obvious. And regrettable. Even the mutt might regret having designed these building. Or showing them to his clients (if any). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 2,260 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 8 minutes ago, Dog said: OFGS...I'm not supporting apartheid, believe in a colorblind society, am pro choice up to 20 weeks, and don't support separating families. (BTW...The un-accompanied minor problem is reaching crisis proportions again now that Biden has signaled the all clear) So, just how much more will it take 'till you turn on your Party? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bus Driver 4,422 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Sean said: So, just how much more will it take 'till you turn on your Party? He won't. It would require he admit he was wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 4 minutes ago, Left Shift said: Being an "architect" really is not an automatic proof of anyone being able to see "functional logic". There are far too many examples of buildings that demonstrate that. However, being educated as a designer should make the importance of symbolism, whether inadvertent or intended, obvious. And regrettable. Even the mutt might regret having designed these building. Or showing them to his clients (if any). I can't believe this...You're also an architect so answer this for the class. I this was an intentional would the symbol be upside down to the audience? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 2,260 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 11 minutes ago, Dog said: I can't believe this...You're also an architect so answer this for the class. I this was an intentional would the symbol be upside down to the audience? A vain attempt at plausible deniability. It's not plausible that no one on the design/build team didn't see that image. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 2,260 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 17 minutes ago, Bus Driver said: He won't. It would require he admit he was wrong. Ya think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 25 minutes ago, Sean said: A vain attempt at plausible deniability. It's not plausible that no one on the design/build team didn't see that image. Of course it's plausible. If it were a swastika you would have a case but this is an odal rune, hardly a widely know symbol and upside down at that. This whole thing is nonsense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
billy backstay 1,008 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Can't wait to see the "fact check", on Trumps speech spewing baldfaced lies!!! As Rob Reiner recently said, "Trump is the best thing that could ever happen to the Democratic party!"... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.J. Porter 2,915 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, Dog said: Of course it's plausible. If it were a swastika you would have a case but this is an odal rune, hardly a widely know symbol and upside down at that. This whole thing is nonsense. And all these nice police officers were playing "The Circle Game" trying to get the photographer to look at their junk. Dog whistles exist, and fascists and extremists have existed in society by coding their language and symbols for a reason. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.J. Porter 2,915 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, B.J. Porter said: And all these nice police officers were playing "The Circle Game" trying to get the photographer to look at their junk. Dog whistles exist, and fascists and extremists have existed in society by coding their language and symbols for a reason. Conspiracy theories also exist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raz'r 3,446 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, Dog said: Conspiracy theories also exist. Keep digging. You may not be a Nazi, but you associate with them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark K 1,424 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 hours ago, Dog said: I'm an architect. I can see a functional logic behind the design. Alleging that there is some sinister message is QAnon territory. Edit...Might appeal to the kind of people who downvote others to 666. Please elaborate on the functionality of that design. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark K 1,424 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 20 minutes ago, Dog said: Of course it's plausible. If it were a swastika you would have a case but this is an odal rune, hardly a widely know symbol and upside down at that. This whole thing is nonsense. How would the functionality issue have worked out had it been flipped the other way? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 7 minutes ago, Mark K said: Please elaborate on the functionality of that design. First the shape responds to the right and left entrances the stage, to the displays on both sides and projects the speaker into the audience. It's a poor design IMO but one that could easily evolve driven by a functional considerations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog 666 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, Mark K said: How would the functionality issue have worked out had it been flipped the other way? Not well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badlatitude 2,788 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 32 minutes ago, Mark K said: Please elaborate on the functionality of that design. CPAC Nazis runed CPAC this year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bridhb 542 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Dog said: I can't believe this...You're also an architect so answer this for the class. I this was an intentional would the symbol be upside down to the audience? Rightside up to the speakers walking out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark K 1,424 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 40 minutes ago, Dog said: First the shape responds to the right and left entrances the stage, to the displays on both sides and projects the speaker into the audience. It's a poor design IMO but one that could easily evolve driven by a functional considerations. A swastika as a stage design would be mighty clumsy. Naziing the crowd wrap about the stage, so this didn't project anything into the crowd. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bridhb 542 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 46 minutes ago, Dog said: Conspiracy theories also exist. Yeah, like the one that there was sufficient election fraud to "steal" the election as was promoted by your favorite (yes, I know Trump may not be your "favorite" president, but you sure do defend him and his BS excuse for policies) president, which then led to an open terrorist attack on congress, by Americans, again promoted by your favorite president. I am really sick of people that support the current republican party. There are only two parties, wish there were more, but that is reality. You have to chose one or the other, or be on the, somehow "reasonable" fringe that may or may not get traction someday . Do you support the stuff that is going on at CPAC? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dacapo 1,171 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Being a musician with perfect pitch, I nearly vomited listening to this...my ear drums were going nuts 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark K 1,424 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 15 minutes ago, dacapo said: Being a musician with perfect pitch, I nearly vomited listening to this...my ear drums were going nuts Deplorable! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cal20sailor 2,450 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 4 minutes ago, Mark K said: Deplorable! All of them! I don't sing outside of the shower and could have done better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerseyguy 1,262 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Desecration Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.J. Porter 2,915 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 3 hours ago, Dog said: Conspiracy theories also exist. So do white supremacists and modern day Nazis and fascists. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.J. Porter 2,915 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, dacapo said: Being a musician with perfect pitch, I nearly vomited listening to this...my ear drums were going nuts I can't believe you made me listen to that! That was...horrifying and awful. I'm not a musician by any stretch, but once upon a time sang a lot...I think my pitch was just damaged listening to that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.J. Porter 2,915 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, dacapo said: Being a musician with perfect pitch, I nearly vomited listening to this...my ear drums were going nuts I didn't think you could outdo Frank Drebin. Until now. That's got to be nepotism, or else she's got the real singer tied up in the locker room and she's looking for assassins on the stage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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