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6 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

No matter how much one

No matter how much it is explain, many can't see to grasp complex data, causation, correlations, demographics and the vast differences thereof. 

It's as if they think tumbleweeds not spreading COVID is a miracle - of Right Wing Politics!

If one wanted to try and compare even the basics of "What happens when you don't believe or act" - they would take places of very similar climate, travel, population density...at least a semblances of Reality

Such a case might be SD and ND compared to VT - Vermont has 1/4 or less (maybe 1/6 or 1/8) the deaths. Yet similar rural situation(s). It's no accident - SD had to TRY to do that badly. It's what happens when you go to Church or the local little diner and sit and BS every morning and you refuse to change for the pandemic. 

Discussion or comparison of places with millions of people is hardly relevant - it's the old story we know is true. It's not what you do, it's what you do with the hand dealt. In the world today the "hand dealt" is so much bigger than any of us have control over. No doubt the single biggest killer of all is/was the Cult of DJT. That is the "original sin". Everything that followed is just what happens when you have fuck-ups in leadership who actually make germ theory and life and dealth into a political opportunity. 

I've lived long enough to notice trends and see problems in the making (and some solutions)...not to say I know it all, but I do know this much. Places like FL and TX are stuck in-between the "old thinking" and the modern world. There is only one way they can go to solve this - you would think (into the modern world). But, it might take a long time. Florida, for example is trying (and will probably succeed) to turn into a full fledged banana republic. It's been somewhat that way forever - but with 22+ million people now this can start to cause some backlash....if and when people realize they are being screwed. 

Even today - if we were to gather votes in Florida based on year-round residents AND those who owned property, it would probably be a couple percent into the progressive column. But FL has relied on the voting bloc being slightly different than the population - just enough to swing most elections by <1%

The reason these states are jumping back to Jim Crow voting laws....is because the GOP knows that. As many have noted - "in a democracy you are supposed to get votes by appealing to the voters, not by changing the laws so that people don't vote". But, never the less, the later is the way it is currently done. 

It's an interesting "alternative ending" to guess what the world would be like if Jeb didn't purge the voting rolls for his brothers elections - and if that "1 in 3 billion" chance of Palm Beach Residents voting for a holocaust denier didn't come "true". What has occurred since that time is mind-boggling. This isn't even debatable - unless you think you have high odds of winning the Mega-Millions lotto w/one ticket...you know that GWB didn't win Florida. 

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Masks and lockdown are like religion.

No amount of science will impact what the 'beliivers' think.


Mask mandates go away in Texas. Fauci says cases and deaths will spike!!

The exact opposite happens.  

Again. Just like in Florida. These guys are completely wrong.

But no one says a word.  No one challenges these guys and asks 'hey, why have you been wrong about 50% of the time here?'

 

The religious folks just ignore reality and science.
They keep preaching  'we  are right - we believe in a higher power than science! Fauci is always right, we believe everything he preaches'

 

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Right-wing dumbasses have hate-hate HATED Dr Fauci since he refused to follow President Reagan's instruction to call AIDS a divine punishment for gays

This is just recycled bile

- DSK

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23 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Right-wing dumbasses have hate-hate HATED Dr Fauci since he refused to follow President Reagan's instruction to call AIDS a divine punishment for gays

This is just recycled bile

- DSK

I posted a bunch of articles from 2-3 weeks ago, that show Fauci being 100% wrong.
He was completely wrong.

 

Don't shoot the messenger boss.

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Looks like in your science, all the equations only have one variable. Impose the mask, cases go down. Lift mask, cases go up. Way more complex than that.

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11 minutes ago, PeterSailor said:

Looks like in your science, all the equations only have one variable. Impose the mask, cases go down. Lift mask, cases go up. Way more complex than that.

Don't overburden him. 

Plus: it's somewhat entertaining from afar.

But you're right on the issue.

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15 hours ago, PeterSailor said:

Looks like in your science, all the equations only have one variable. Impose the mask, cases go down. Lift mask, cases go up. Way more complex than that.

You're trying to infer a counter factual.  That's not how science works.

 

Let's be clear.  If Texas cases had gone UP two weeks after restrictions ended - the media would be absolutely screaming from the rooftops.
 

But cases dropped around 50% since all the government mandates and mask rules went away.
And, of course, there is silence.

 

I'm not saying masks don't do *anything* (though, at the moment, there is not one piece of evidence they do.
BUT, if mask mandates, and lockdowns and government policies WERE correlated with declines in cases or deaths - you think some data, somewhere, could show it.
But, it can't.

 

Because, there is no correlation.


 

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Sigh, Blatant Bullshit continues - cases have not dropped in the past few weeks in Texas but have stopped going down and are at levels of last Sept, you know just before the 2nd wave.  Most people, especially those vulnerable are getting vaccinated and /or wearing masks. What happens now is a race between the prudent and the buttholes.

Meanwhile incidence of flu has dropped dramatically this year but according to Dr. Bullshit there is no correlation.

It never ends.

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8 hours ago, d&#x27;ranger said:

Sigh, Blatant Bullshit continues - cases have not dropped in the past few weeks in Texas but have stopped going down and are at levels of last Sept, you know just before the 2nd wave.  Most people, especially those vulnerable are getting vaccinated and /or wearing masks. What happens now is a race between the prudent and the buttholes.

Meanwhile incidence of flu has dropped dramatically this year but according to Dr. Bullshit there is no correlation.

It never ends.

Cases will plateau at what will be perceived to be a high level because the PCR test has so many false positives and does not distinguish between the presence of Covid-19 vs actual disease.

The reason why influenza has dropped dramatically is because it isn't being tested for.  There is no equivalent PCR test regime for influenza.  Influenza cases, serious illness and death numbers have always been estimates based on increases in pneumonia.

 

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Dear Kateshitfurbrains aka Mikey da Unaposter - please stop posting bullshit.  The past few years the US has averaged 140 child deaths from the flu. This season? 1  as in uno, as in 1 less than 2.  If you had a brain you would be severely depressed at the stupidity of your posts. 

I have come to believe you and Bullshit Echoes are the same person since the odds of having 2 this stupid seem astronomically impossible.

 

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They don't test for the flu, because there is none to test.

I know my limited sample observation cannot be extended to the total population, but my grand-daughters (2 of them for statistical purpose) did not even had one runny nose in a year. They usually bring back home all sorts of shit at least once every two weeks. None in a year, and kinder garden started back in June 2020.

As for Texas Experiment, I'm actually glad for them. It is not a proof that lockdown and mask don't work, it just proof that there is less asshole in Texas than we thought.

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You guys sound like flat earthers.  Just ignoring the data that says your view is wrong.
Ad hominem attacks. Denying the basic science. Just head in the sand.... it's the definition of insanity.

 

Texas:
Mask mandates ended almost a month ago.
Cases have declined ~50%

Your retort is 'uh, they should have declined MORE!!!!'
 

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Meanwhile, in the same time period:
Michigan (with a mask mandate and restrictions!) cases have risen 600%

 

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Seriously, when the fuck are you people going to look at the data and realize: 'huh, yeah, there is no correlation with masks, restrictions or government edicts?'
It's unbelievable that smart, rational people with brains, can't see the emperor has no clothes.

You guys are so paralyzed by fear from the media - you can't see the most obvious, basic facts.

 

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Michigan vs Texas.

Michigan, spring just started. Peoples still inside in badly ventilated space, breathing the same recycle air.

Texas, summer condition "almost" all year long. Outside, heat, open air space, wind to disperse the beast.

Talking of science, at least compare apple with apple. How many more variables do you want in the equation?

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6 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

So you agree Michigan Government restrictions have made it worse?

 

In Georgia we try to lead the world in the least vaccinations.  

 

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Just now, Kate short for Bob said:

But obviously lead the world in the consumption of hallucinating drugs.

Yes, it is true.  The country folk are killing themselves at a high rate.  The educated choose not to do that.  Why?

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1 minute ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Evidence? Or are you proof they have the internet in the afterworld?

After what?  Being a stupid ass proves little except the size of your dick.

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22 hours ago, PeterSailor said:

Michigan vs Texas.

Michigan, spring just started. Peoples still inside in badly ventilated space, breathing the same recycle air.

Texas, summer condition "almost" all year long. Outside, heat, open air space, wind to disperse the beast.

Talking of science, at least compare apple with apple. How many more variables do you want in the equation?

This is CORRECT!

Masks / Restrictions / Lockdowns scientifically have almost *zero correlation* with cases/deaths.
 

Weather & seasonality?  Strong correlation.

Masks/Social Distancing/Double Masks/Lockdown  - cases go crazy, seasonally.
No masks, no lockdown, no double masks - cases go down, seasonally.
 

Weird huh?  You know what that means?
We should just have lived our lives. Instead of panicking like chicken little.
 

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17 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

So you agree Michigan Government restrictions have made it worse?

 

We close our windows in winter to not freeze our buts off. We also don't stay outside in the cold just for fun. We are not polar bears.

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One month after all restrictions eased:
Cases at record lows in Texas.

I don't think they've had a day this low since Feb, 2020.
Where is the media on this?
Where are the people asking the CDC / Fauci, to explain?

 

Or, does 'science' get less interesting to these idiots, when it disproves their random theories?
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22 hours ago, PeterSailor said:

Up to now, only a bit over 400 variant cases in Texas. I will be happy for them if it stay like that.

Who cares?  Are you just parroting what the corporate news tells you is important?
 

Deaths last two days have been: 20 and 22.
5 weeks ago, Texas had around 230/day.  (that was when Fauci was saying Texas was 'asking for trouble')

 

How much more wrong can the media, and the 'health experts' be, before you open your eyes man???

When does this all end for you?  
Or do you plan to be scared for the rest of your life, and tell everyone to do similar?

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So what happened to the claim that cases were dropping sharply in Texas? They have plateaued, most business are still requiring masks and most are complying.  Vaccinations are increasing daily. When your sources are all garbage it explains the shit you spew. Fauci is a world expert epidemiologist, BullshitEchoes is a garden variety moron. 

 

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44 minutes ago, d&#x27;ranger said:

So what happened to the claim that cases were dropping sharply in Texas? They have plateaued

So they are not "surging"?

44 minutes ago, d&#x27;ranger said:

Fauci is a world expert epidemiologist

Say's who?  He has been a bureaucrat for the last 30 years!  There are many renowned epidemiologists that question the veracity of his utterances.  But it is up to you to prove otherwise as you liken him to God ....."In Fauci (God) We TRust"!

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9 hours ago, d'ranger said:

So what happened to the claim that cases were dropping sharply in Texas? They have plateaued, most business are still requiring masks and most are complying.  Vaccinations are increasing daily. When your sources are all garbage it explains the shit you spew. Fauci is a world expert epidemiologist, BullshitEchoes is a garden variety moron. 

 

Listen, I don't know if you have a mental condition or something, so I'll use simple words here:

 

1) Cases have declined around 60% since March 1

2) Fauci was wrong.

 

Those are called facts.

 

No one cares about 'plateaus' and 'surges'.
Since a policy was made (no masks, no restrictions on businesses) cases have DECLINED. 

If it's 1%, or 100%, they have declined.
It's just math man. 

 

I know you want your hero Fauci to win here, but, he was dead wrong.
He predicted cases would go up, a lot.
They went down, a lot.

 

There aren't any more facts here.  You are wrong, and Fauci was completely wrong.
That's why the media is starting to turn on him.

He's been wrong, over and over and over again.
And here is more evidence.

 

Why not read the numbers instead of keep on screaming the earth is flat?
Give up gracefully, you are wrong, again.

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The knuckle heads have hated Dr Fauci since he was Pres. Reagan's appointee yet refused to denounce AIDS as God's judgement on gays

No grudge like an old grudge


- DSK

 

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News flash for Mikey aka Kateshitfurbrains  https://www.click2houston.com/news/texas/2021/04/08/new-texas-covid-19-cases-deaths-top-states-averages/

Cases and deaths are going up again.  That whole masks wearing thing vs virus transmission is just too hard to comprehend.  Meanwhile reports are up to 1/3 of covid recovery patients are showing brain damage so perhaps that would explain the inability to grasp elementary concepts.

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1 hour ago, d'ranger said:

News flash for Mikey aka Kateshitfurbrains  https://www.click2houston.com/news/texas/2021/04/08/new-texas-covid-19-cases-deaths-top-states-averages/

Cases and deaths are going up again.  That whole masks wearing thing vs virus transmission is just too hard to comprehend.  Meanwhile reports are up to 1/3 of covid recovery patients are showing brain damage so perhaps that would explain the inability to grasp elementary concepts.

D'Ranged do you actually read these articles you post?  There are 36 States doing worse!

Researchers said the rolling average of daily new cases over the past two weeks has decreased by 380.7, a decrease of 10.9%. Also, the 170.7 new Texas cases per 100,000 people over the past two weeks ranked 37th in the nation for new cases per capita.

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I love when the Neo-Science people are wrong.  Again.  And Again.

 

The excuses they make show them to be even dumbbbber:

 'uhhhh, people don't wear masks properly'
'duhh, Trump didn't shut down Texas!'
'urrrr, Texas needs to do more lockdowns, those work so well'
'hhuuu, young people will die soon'
'uhuhuh, let's do 4 masks at a time, that helps!'

 

Just, dumb ideas after dumb ideas. No facts.  No science.  Just pushing their own stupidity HARDER.
 

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8 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

D'Ranged do you actually read these articles you post?  There are 36 States doing worse!

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So which is it....

"TEXAS CASES GOING DOWN, THIS PROVES MASKS DON'T WORK" or is it, yeah actually Texas cases are going up -but- other states are worse?

Kind of like "SWEDEN DID NOT HAVE LOCKDOWNS, THIS THIS PROVES MASKS LOCKDOWNS DON'T WORK" umm well when you look at the facts, Sweden -did- have lockdowns and they brought Covid under much better control

And somehow, I expect that you'll keep right on spouting your Covid-denial bullshit... probably jumping on the vaccine-adverse-reaction bandwagon next

- DSK

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6 hours ago, d&#x27;ranger said:

This thread is about Texas and the maroons can't even follow that.  The only reason I bother is that someone somewhere might believe their bullshit.  BE and Kateshithizbrain are our equivalent of the crazy guy on the street corner. 

This graph is for Texas.  What part of that don't you understand?  You posted an article that you obviously hadn't read to support your contention that Texas was going to hell in a hand basket.  When in fact it said the opposite.  Texas is doing better than 36 other States!  

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8 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

So which is it....

"TEXAS CASES GOING DOWN, THIS PROVES MASKS DON'T WORK" or is it, yeah actually Texas cases are going up -but- other states are worse?

You tell us WHICH it is.  BTW I didn't make that statement which you have pseudo attributed to me but that is part of your modus operandi isn't it?

Wasn't the narrative from YOUR team that "Texas is relaxing restrictions and opening up and it is all going to end in disaster.   Look look the case numbers are going up!  Told ya so!"

But that hasn't actually happened according to Texas State official figures.  Hell your team are quick to yell "Bullshit, liar, denier!" but you don't seem to apply the same analytical rigour to your own data.

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Since Kateshitfurbrains can't follow logic or a thread, since I never said Texas was going anywhere except responding to the other maroon who kept insisting new cases were dropping (they aren't) here is an article on where we are at the present with some predictions - it's by Dr. Peter Hotze, our resident equivalent of Dr. Fauci. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/health/article/Dr-Peter-Hotez-return-to-normal-covid-summer-gray-16087488.php

If anyone is interested and get's paywalled just respond to this and I will post the article, it's a long read and a pita to copy/paste but am willing for those who ask (Mikey not included).

I have zero respect for anyone using a sock to post their shit here, and especially for those who claim masks don't work. Newsflash - it's transmitted through the air, humans breath air, masks filter air.  Masks are the only reason that flu was dramatically down this year.

 

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1 hour ago, d&#x27;ranger said:

Masks are the only reason that flu was dramatically down this year.

That's a baseless claim.  There are many reasons why influenza cases are down not the least of which is the fact that there hasn't been substantial testing.  However rather than bore you with logic and science can you explain how States that went largely maskless have similar drops in influenza?  Wouldn't you think that they would have had more cases?

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11 hours ago, d&#x27;ranger said:

Since Kateshitfurbrains can't follow logic or a thread, since I never said Texas was going anywhere except responding to the other maroon who kept insisting new cases were dropping (they aren't)

ahahahahaha.  What.An.Idiot!

Since restrictions were removed, cases have done this:


March 1: 7135/day
April 9: 3128/day 

That's  ~58% decline in cases since restrictions ended.


And, the argument being presented to everyone now by @d'ranger is:
- Fauci was wrong, but here is *another* doctor who says they will go up
- They are no longer declining at the same rate as a month ago, so, therefore _______________

 

This is the stupidest form of arguing.
He just makes up facts to fit his ideals about life - ignoring what matters to other humans.

It's the ultimate in selfish, fake science.


Cases have declined massively when FAUCI predicted they would skyrocket.

Fauci was wrong.
You are wrong.

 

You can bend the stats to your liking as much as pleases you - but I'm going to call bullshit every time.
 

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Is anyone doing an analysis of the presence of antibodies in pursuit of some answers? Certainly the variants which are more infectious can skew results when they are present but are we starting to have something approaching herd immunity in some situations? Immunity being comprised of resolved cases, immunizations, and asymptomatic cases now resolved?

Early last year I read that New York had done some antibody testing and estimated that somewhere around 20% of people tested had antibodies. 

Wondering where we stand these days as the climb in case counts does not make intuitive sense here while seeing the decline in Texas concurrently. 

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1 hour ago, danstanford said:

Is anyone doing an analysis of the presence of antibodies in pursuit of some answers? Certainly the variants which are more infectious can skew results when they are present but are we starting to have something approaching herd immunity in some situations? Immunity being comprised of resolved cases, immunizations, and asymptomatic cases now resolved?

Early last year I read that New York had done some antibody testing and estimated that somewhere around 20% of people tested had antibodies. 

Wondering where we stand these days as the climb in case counts does not make intuitive sense here while seeing the decline in Texas concurrently. 

 

48 minutes ago, PeterSailor said:

Ballpark values, let say 2.8M caught it, plus 50% asymptomatic, another 2.8M, plus 14M vaccinated, over a population of 29.4M, that's 66%. That should help.

Some of those vaccinated were those who had infection and don’t want to go through it again.    Reinfection is the biggest wildcard.    Will those infected last spring and summer still be protected?    Will they have partial protection and mild cases (overall health status being similar to last year)?   Has anybody seen data from New York, Belgium  or Spain?     We’ve provided it with a lot of chances at replication, so add some virus drift to the mix and the immune system becomes a forgetful general refighting the last war.

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So there used to be a poster in PA who constantly posted cherry picked bullshit complete with full color graphs, it never ended until he finally got flicked. BE sure looks like his virus sock.  Typically he lies, for instance his claims about Dr. Fauci are pure bullshit, neither nor Fauci said cases would skyrocket and just warned what could happen. In the past week cases have gone up and if that continues then it just repeats the events of the past year.  The summer and January surges were predicted, and then everyone decides geez, better start being careful and then rinse repeat. Fatigue sets in, younger people especially see it as no threat, people want to get back to normal and so many states are now seeing cases going way up.  This is science, it ain't rocket science but virology and virus transmission is well understood. The big unknown that Dr. Fauci admitted to is that the covid-19 virus was actively being transmitted before symptoms were present and by those who stayed asymptomatic. The ax grinder maroons like BullshitAsshole either are incapable of understanding what has happened or just choose to gurgle the RW pablum spurted daily. 

Can't fix stupid, can't stop the Bullshit but time to put it back on ignore.  The graph below is from today's John Hopkins site https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states/texas  since I believe in science, truth and transparency.

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55 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Can't fix stupid, can't stop the Bullshit but time to put it back on ignore.  The graph below is from today's John Hopkins site https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states/texas  since I believe in science, truth and transparency.

You follow the science.  Have you cross checked this data against the actual Texas State data?  If you do you will notice a difference.  John Hopkins have had issues with their data before.

This is from the John Hopkins site today showing the weekly case trend.  Note it shows NO significant change in rate.  Notice also that testing was up and percentage positive cases were down.  That isn't the signs of a surge.

Follow ALL the science and cross check it is my suggestion.

 

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6 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

In other words, tune in to the looney channel and keep hunting for any data that might support your pre-decided opinion

- DSK

No that is your modus operandi not mine.  I'm still waiting for the conclusive scientific evidence from you that masks and lockdowns have actually done anything to alter the impact of the pandemic.  There is copious quantities of scientific peer reviewed evidence based research to support that they haven't made a difference.  Not only in this pandemic but from decades of research prior to Covid-19 as evidenced in the utterances from WHO and the CDC prior to them being politicised.

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7 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

In other words, tune in to the looney channel and keep hunting for any data that might support your pre-decided opinion

- DSK

Those last graphs I posted were from the same source as D'Ranged sourced his data.  He says cases are increasing and I say they are not.  My interpretation of the data as per the graphs supports that.

I would have thought you would have applauded that good news as the decision by Texas to get their economy rolling again doesn't seem to be having an adverse affect on the pandemic.  But you can't applaud that because you are stuck in your doom and gloom narrative.

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