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13 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Imagine that.  The Former Guy was snubbed by the very people with whom he wants to be included.

They saw the train wreck and decided Biden was preferable to a lying, narcissistic, business and Presidential failure.

Who's full of shit?

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16 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Imagine that.  The Former Guy was snubbed by the very people with whom he wants to be included.

They saw the train wreck and decided Biden was preferable to a lying, narcissistic, business and Presidential failure.

Who's full of shit?

Point out the falsehood.

The Former Guy has always wanted to be included in high society and rub elbows with the ultra rich.  They openly snub him.

His tenure as President is well documented with regard to his lies, as well as his "Executive Time" spent rage-Tweeting.

He'll go down as the worst President, ever.

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18 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Point out the falsehood.

The Former Guy has always wanted to be included in high society and rub elbows with the ultra rich.  They openly snub him.

His tenure as President is well documented with regard to his lies, as well as his "Executive Time" spent rage-Tweeting.

He'll go down as the worst President, ever, so far.

Just wait for the next Repugnican president. "Hold my beer and watch this..."

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

The Former Guy has always wanted to be included in high society and rub elbows with the ultra rich.  They openly snub him.

The Brit upper classes have a term for people like him - "Barrow Boy". It's a reference to push cart (barrow) vendors.

It's a notch or two below Nouveau Riche. The closest American equivalent would be White Trash With Money.

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On 3/7/2021 at 12:04 PM, phillysailor said:

Anytime you ask a Republican about living in a democracy they deflect and talk about our being a “Republic”.

So being accurate is now a "deflection". Imagine.

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2 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

So being accurate is now a "deflection". Imagine.

Civilized republics do not suppress the vote. 

Got that ?? 

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56 minutes ago, bpm57 said:
On 3/7/2021 at 12:04 PM, phillysailor said:

Anytime you ask a Republican about living in a democracy they deflect and talk about our being a “Republic”.

So being accurate is now a "deflection". Imagine.

It is accurate to say we live in a Republic. It is also accurate to say America is a democracy.
 

The two are not mutually exclusive, and you are lying if you suggest they are.

Why must you lie?

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On 3/10/2021 at 10:02 AM, Olsonist said:

Anyways, I got the llello, 15 pounds of carbon goodness.

that's pretty light, what do you weigh?

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19 minutes ago, 3to1 said:

that's pretty light, what do you weigh?

220.

15 lbs wasn't the object at all. 15 lbs (6.8 kg) is the ICU minimum weight which is 5 lbs lighter than the lightest bike I've ever had. I've never had a carbon frame before. I'm basically just a paceliner.

I was looking for a 585 but I couldn't find a really good one. I searched pretty much country wide on Craigslist (Search Tempest), EBay, Facebook Market, various forums, kijiji up in Canada. Finally found this 595 Ultra. I told the owner that there were only 3 people interested in his bike and that I was happy I got there before either of the other 2 did. However I paid the asking price, $1600. He'd paid $7000 which strikes me as just nutty.

While the bike is seriously gorgeous as is, it is getting gutted. The carbon FSA K-Wings go in favor of aluminum Deda Superzero bars. I would prefer an aluminum steerer tube but it is what it is. The 10s Dura Ace gets parted out and replaced by 11s Ultegra. It was going to be 105 but I found a takeoff Ultegra groupset for the same price. It's actually harder to find 105 than Ultegra or DA. People just ride 105 (which in fact is more groupset than I'd ever need). But I ended up finding a DA crankset for $125 and 50/34 rings for $75. I'll probably sell the 'old' rings for more than $75. DA with the exception of chainsets and pedals is strictly and only for racers.

The Ksyrium wheelset either gets sold or closeted in favor of EA90 SL tubeless.

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To answer the OP, no. The current Republicans would create an authoritarian oligarchy, given half a chance. Just be thankful that Trump is stupid AF. A smarter guy leading the current Republican party, with a majority in the House and Senate, plus the Oval, would probably have succeeded. Depending on how elections go over the next decade, it could still easily happen.

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3 hours ago, Olsonist said:

220.

15 lbs wasn't the object at all. 15 lbs (6.8 kg) is the ICU minimum weight which is 5 lbs lighter than the lightest bike I've ever had. I've never had a carbon frame before. I'm basically just a paceliner.

I was looking for a 585 but I couldn't find a really good one. I searched pretty much country wide on Craigslist (Search Tempest), EBay, Facebook Market, various forums, kijiji up in Canada. Finally found this 595 Ultra. I told the owner that there were only 3 people interested in his bike and that I was happy I got there before either of the other 2 did. However I paid the asking price, $1600. He'd paid $7000 which strikes me as just nutty.

While the bike is seriously gorgeous as is, it is getting gutted. The carbon FSA K-Wings go in favor of aluminum Deda Superzero bars. I would prefer an aluminum steerer tube but it is what it is. The 10s Dura Ace gets parted out and replaced by 11s Ultegra. It was going to be 105 but I found a takeoff Ultegra groupset for the same price. It's actually harder to find 105 than Ultegra or DA. People just ride 105 (which in fact is more groupset than I'd ever need). But I ended up finding a DA crankset for $125 and 50/34 rings for $75. I'll probably sell the 'old' rings for more than $75. DA with the exception of chainsets and pedals is strictly and only for racers.

The Ksyrium wheelset either gets sold or closeted in favor of EA90 SL tubeless.

gotta' love bikes.

be safe, and have fun (and use a torque wrench on carbon parts).

 

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2 hours ago, Nice! said:

To answer the OP, no. The current Republicans would create an authoritarian oligarchy, given half a chance. Just be thankful that Trump is stupid AF. A smarter guy leading the current Republican party, with a majority in the House and Senate, plus the Oval, would probably have succeeded. Depending on how elections go over the next decade, it could still easily happen.

^ truth ^

Unfortunately.

the wanna-be autocrats, the would-be dictators, are always present. But it has been rarely in US history that they have taken control of a major political party. Don't forget that a lot of Republicans are also staying in the party and fighting it.

- DSK

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14 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

the wanna-be autocrats, the would-be dictators, are always present. But it has been rarely in US history that they have taken control of a major political party. Don't forget that a lot of Republicans are also staying in the party and fighting it.

- DSK

Have you seen any signs of success?

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6 hours ago, SloopJonB said:
21 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Don't forget that a lot of Republicans are also staying in the party and fighting it.

 

Have you seen any signs of success?

Too early to tell.

- DSK

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And now they are taking credit for a relief bill they voted against. I can only assume that the people who vote for them are incredibly stupid.

 

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The fact that almost no GOPPERS have an unkind word to say about gerrymandering . . 

tells you all you need to know about their respect for democratic norms and values. 

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1 hour ago, Ishmael said:

And now they are taking credit for a relief bill they voted against. I can only assume that the people who vote for them are incredibly stupid.

Reminds me of Gingrich voting against and campaigning against Clinton's 1993 budget and then taking credit for the result.

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10 minutes ago, Dog said:

Looks to me like an example of Republicans engaging in a democratic process.

Of course it does.  Limiting voting is a perfect way to engage in a democratic process.

I am sure you feel that way when they close polling places in areas populated by minorities.

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

Looks to me like an example of Republicans engaging in a democratic process.

 

1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

Of course it does.  Limiting voting is a perfect way to engage in a democratic process.

I am sure you feel that way when they close polling places in areas populated by minorities.

Or they get rid of all the drop off boxes except one....

I like how they are trying to limit early voting, regardless of whether the vote is valid or not.

Dog shows his true colors yet again.  And they certainly aren't 'democratic'.

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4 minutes ago, Grrr... said:

 

Or they get rid of all the drop off boxes except one....

I like how they are trying to limit early voting, regardless of whether the vote is valid or not.

Dog shows his true colors yet again.  And they certainly aren't 'democratic'.

@Dogjust wants to bring apartheid to America

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

Looks to me like an example of Republicans engaging in a democratic process.

 

1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

Of course it does.  Limiting voting is a perfect way to engage in a democratic process.

I am sure you feel that way when they close polling places in areas populated by minorities.

Or they get rid of all the drop off boxes except one....

I like how they are trying to limit early voting, regardless of whether the vote is valid or not.

Dog shows his true colors yet again.  And they certainly aren't 'democratic'.

Democracy must be abolished!

Here Are The Ways Republicans Are Trying To Restrict Voting Access

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Of course it does.  Limiting voting is a perfect way to engage in a democratic process.

I am sure you feel that way when they close polling places in areas populated by minorities.

There have always been and should always be limits on voting. Just because Republicans draw the line in a different place does not demonstrate a lack of commitment to democracy. They are using the democratic process to advance their position. If you consider that undemocratic then I question your commitment to democracy.

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36 minutes ago, Dog said:

There have always been and should always be limits on voting. Just because Republicans draw the line in a different place does not demonstrate a lack of commitment to democracy. They are using the democratic process to advance their position. If you consider that undemocratic then I question your commitment to democracy.

I am sure, in light of your "commitment to democracy", you support H.R.1.

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15 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I am sure, in light of your "commitment to democracy", you support H.R.1.

The Reich is fighting HR 1 tooth and nail. 

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19 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

The Reich is fighting HR 1 tooth and nail. 

The last thing Democracy needs is more voters!

 

(Need purple?)

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10 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

The last thing Democracy needs is more voters!

 

(Need purple?)

Well, more voters are just fine as long as their type has a propensity to vote American, but we need to make democracy less attractive to those who might vote democRAT. 

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Actually, gerrymandering does much more to suppress the vote and frustrate the will of the people . . 

than any of the draconian voter ID laws.   

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On 3/10/2021 at 12:02 PM, Olsonist said:

I just drove out I80 to Fort Collins and back to pick up a bike (2008 Look 595, barely ridden with full DA). Colorado was nice, SLC was surprisingly nice. Reno was Reno. On the way back, I was lucky to scoot through Donner just as chain control was shutting everything down. Very lucky, I spun out once, a controlled spin at about 20 ending in a snow bank. No chains, rear wheel drive and definitely not winter tires. I had done my research in Reno and couldn't find anything that said conditions were getting bad. I would have laid over in Reno if I had known. I was lucky.

But oh Nellie. Small town NV, UT and WY were little fear camps. Let's just say that when I rolled up in long hair and a Tesla, they just kinda knew I wasn't from around them parts. However, I did learn at the diner that the Johnson+Johnson vaccine was 5% effective and if they'd just let things alone the flu would have worked itself out last summer. I also heard the phrase city slicker used un-ironically for the first time in my life (and refrained from pointing out that their boy Shitstain was the ultimate city slicker). In these small towns, anyone with any brains, looks or talent had long ago left leaving a town full of ugly, shiftless idiots whining about city slickers while listening to actual city slickers on AM radio.

Still, it was a beautiful drive, especially so with the light traffic. Well, I did get pulled over in NV. I was more than a little annoyed with myself for not having seen him. Actually I did see him when I crossed him (I was doing 80, the speed limit and traffic average, on cruise control). But I hadn't noticed him creeping up on me and he certainly knew his territory. There was a 50mph construction zone but I slowed for that. But then it choked down to a single lane and an idiot wouldn't merge in front of me so I scooted past him. Oops. But I didn't complain at all and I ultimately got let off.

I80 in NV without the traffic is like US 50 in NV only more so. About every few hundred miles or so there's a sign saying, Prison Zone, No Hitchhiking. Really. It's like their local industry but don't call it socialism.

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Also, you see triple trailers in NV, UT, WY and CO. It's a regional thing.

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Anyways, I got the llello, 15 pounds of carbon goodness.

Just did the oppo from den to Chicago.  13 hrs, Cruise set to 10 over, barely hit the breaks, Mostly trucks, Hardly any construction.  Daylight hours saw monumental Shitstain Won Billboards etc all along the route.  Didn't notice the redneck shit as I peed on the side of the road and generally tried to avoid people.  A couple of the clerks looked anoyed that they had to wear the mask/wore it wrong anyway.  Ran into a maskless fam at the pumps.  Moved to a different pump.   Went out and about last week.  Different mentality than Den, not so much distancing and the people (Even my dad who is immunocomprmised) playing fast and loose with the rules, standing 3' instead of 6 etc...  The "states do your own thing" thing really fucked things up...  

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13 minutes ago, Dog said:

I think it's an abomination.

The HoR is using the democratic process to advance their position.  Why is that now an "abomination"?  A few posts ago, it was laudable.

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4 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

The HoR is using the democratic process to advance their position.  Why is that now an "abomination"?  A few posts ago, it was laudable.

No, the process is not why it's an abomination, the content is.

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13 minutes ago, Dog said:

No, the process is not why it's an abomination, the content is.

What about people who see the actions by the GOP in limiting the options as an "abomination"?  Closing polling places in districts with large numbers of minorities.  Moving to remove drop-boxes.  Shit like that. Does their opinion not count?

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4 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Of course it does.  Limiting voting is a perfect way to engage in a democratic process.

I am sure you feel that way when they close polling places in areas populated by minorities.

There have always been and should always be limits on voting. Just because Republicans draw the line in a different place does not demonstrate a lack of commitment to democracy. They are using the democratic process to advance their position. If you consider that undemocratic then I question your commitment to democracy.

 

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30 minutes ago, Dog said:

No, the process is not why it's an abomination, the content is.

The content of Georgia house bill 531 is the abomination.  H.R. 1 should be unnecessary except that the Roberts Court gutted the voting rights act of 1965 making abominations like 531 possible.

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On 3/8/2021 at 8:23 PM, Dog said:

The science is that for the vast majority of transgenders their biological sex is unambiguous. 

How do you know? Also, please tell me the names of the "Vast number" of trans people you associate with that shared their personal feelings and beliefs with you so you could come to that conclusion..  I'll Wait.  I am here all week...  

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Well, more voters are just fine as long as their type has a propensity to vote American, but we need to make democracy less attractive to those who might vote democRAT. 

It's not about the quantity of the votes, it's about the quality of them.

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4 hours ago, Bus Driver said:
5 hours ago, Dog said:

There have always been and should always be limits on voting.

I am sure, in light of your "commitment to democracy", you support H.R.1.

The Mutt is referring to the traditional limits on brown people voting.

 

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10 hours ago, Dog said:

No, the process is not why it's an abomination, the content is.

What parts of HB 1 do you find most abominable, and why ?? 

I don't think you know Jack Squat about it.  

You're simply playing your extremist partisan hack role . . 

Prove me wrong 

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10 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:
20 hours ago, Dog said:

No, the process is not why it's an abomination, the content is.

What parts of HB 1 do you find most abominable, and why ?? 

I don't think you know Jack Squat about it.  

You're simply playing your extremist partisan hack role . . 

Prove me wrong 

Well, remember: Dog objected vigorously to Obama and insisted that he was a terrible leader and a worse President... based on his policies, of course. Could Dog describe those policies? No, he just knew they were terrible awful very-bad horrible policies.

- DSK

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18 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Well, remember: Dog objected vigorously to Obama and insisted that he was a terrible leader and a worse President... based on his policies, of course. Could Dog describe those policies? No, he just knew they were terrible awful very-bad horrible policies.

- DSK

Why would you argue with a dog?

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Wow.  It's rare I see the mealy mouthed bullshitter talk himself into a corner in the same post. Normally he simply refuses to respond to questions once he realizes he's gone off course.  He certainly managed it on the whole democratic process thing.

His comment about 'biological' sex is another bullshitter move.  Transgender has never been about biological sex.  It's about how people feel, something that Dog has a distinct lack of experience with since he is absolutely bereft of empathy for anyone who disagrees with him.  Much like his insistence that all transgenders MUST be dysphoric and suffer from a mental disorder - which every expert on science explicitly states is simply not the case.

It's good dog is here.  It keeps reminding us there still is a large facet of our country that doesn't believe in choice.

They want to remove minorities' voting.

They want to remove women's choice.

They want to remove homosexual choice.

They want to remove transgender choice.

We could keep going.  But it won't change their minds.

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12 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Hey @Dog  What parts of HB 1 do you find most abominable, and why ?? 

I don't think you know Jack Squat about it.  

You're simply playing your extremist partisan hack role . . 

Prove me wrong 

So for Dog the GOPPER Reich's attacks on the vote are just your run-of-the-mill "democratic process", 

but when Dems do it, it is an "abomination." 

But the Dogster is incapable of explaining WHY HR 1 is an abomination - 

which shows conclusively what an extremist partisan hack he is. 

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1 hour ago, AJ Oliver said:

So for Dog the GOPPER Reich's attacks on the vote are just your run-of-the-mill "democratic process", 

but when Dems do it, it is an "abomination." 

But the Dogster is incapable of explaining WHY HR 1 is an abomination - 

which shows conclusively what an extremist partisan hack he is. 

He prefers to avoid writing anything definitive, lest he be held to account.

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9 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

He prefers to avoid writing anything definitive, lest he be held to account.

"Abomination" sounds pretty definitive to me . . 

@Dog  dude where are ya, tell us WHY it is an abomination. 

You won't even take five minutes to read a summary of it, will ya you Reichista punk ??  

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On 3/15/2021 at 4:16 PM, Nice! said:

It's not about the quantity of the votes, it's about the quality of them.

holy shit, I thought that was a joke.  Nope, you really can't make this shit up. Reality is more blatantly James Crow-ish than fiction. 

https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/az-state-representative-john-kavanagh-raises-eyebrows-with-quality-voting-comments/75-bae39bd2-e6b8-4930-98a7-aa3e815c6f66

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6 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

holy shit, I thought that was a joke.  Nope, you really can't make this shit up. Reality is more blatantly James Crow-ish than fiction. 

https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/az-state-representative-john-kavanagh-raises-eyebrows-with-quality-voting-comments/75-bae39bd2-e6b8-4930-98a7-aa3e815c6f66

Simple way to guarantee top quality votes.  Limit voting to only land-owning or tax-paying white males.

The "originalists" will likely agree.  That is truly "original".

Problem solved.

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1 minute ago, Bus Driver said:

Simple way to guarantee top quality votes.  Limit voting to only land-owning or tax-paying white males.

Problem solved.

Long live the Dixiecrats.  I wish I was in the land of Tom Cotton. 

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2 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Long live the Dixiecrats.  I wish I was in the land of Tom Cotton. 

No one wants to be in Arkansas

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8 minutes ago, jerseyguy said:

No one wants to be in Arkansas

Actually, I went to Devil's Den State Park.  The had depression era cabins (fully updated), campgrounds and mountain bike trails.  Poor folks from North Dakota dug the lake under an FDR program.  And of course, the rock formations were very cool.

I hope Biden gets an infrastructure plan passed.  It's better to pay for jobs than prisons.

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13 minutes ago, jerseyguy said:

No one wants to be in Arkansas

Has Arkansas ever done anything other than Bill Clinton?

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30 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Has Arkansas ever done anything other than Bill Clinton?

J. William Fulbright

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38 minutes ago, hasher said:

Actually, I went to Devil's Den State Park.  The had depression era cabins (fully updated), campgrounds and mountain bike trails.  Poor folks from North Dakota dug the lake under an FDR program.  And of course, the rock formations were very cool.

I hope Biden gets an infrastructure plan passed.  It's better to pay for jobs than prisons.

Former work colleague had an uncle who retired inMt. Home, Ark. we went down there to fish.  Caught little, ate too much fried food, and almost came home with an accent and missing a few teeth.  
 

My late in-laws had a place in Hot Springs.  Lots of northerners.  Went there once.  Played a lot of golf with my father-in-law.  Other than that I saw no reason to be there.

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17 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Has Arkansas ever done anything other than Bill Clinton?

Levon Helm.

Maya Angelou.

Johnny Cash.

Billy Bob Thornton.

Sonny Liston.

Glen Campbell.

Ronnie Hawkins.

... There are more...

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The fact that our local right wing is completely unable to discuss any

element of HB 1 . . . 

shows how much they care about democracy - i.e., not in the slightest. 

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Lying Ted "Cancun" Cruz shows how much the GOPPER Reich cares about democracy . . .  

On Saturday, Business Insider reported that Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) was caught spreading falsehoods about the voting rights legislation advancing in the Senate.
"On an invitation-only call with GOP state lawmakers last week, Republican Sen. Ted Cruz falsely claimed Democrats are working to give 'illegal aliens' and 'child molesters' the right to vote, according to a recording of the call obtained by the Associated Press,"

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18 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Lying Ted "Cancun" Cruz shows how much the GOPPER Reich cares about democracy . . .  

On Saturday, Business Insider reported that Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) was caught spreading falsehoods about the voting rights legislation advancing in the Senate.
"On an invitation-only call with GOP state lawmakers last week, Republican Sen. Ted Cruz falsely claimed Democrats are working to give 'illegal aliens' and 'child molesters' the right to vote, according to a recording of the call obtained by the Associated Press,"

But that's their response to EVERYTHING.... lie and try to enflame their captive audience

- DSK

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2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

But that's their response to EVERYTHING.... lie and try to enflame their captive audience

- DSK

Easily done when your audience only has one source of news, and that source is not shy about lying.

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On 3/12/2021 at 2:52 AM, Dog said:

Who's full of shit?

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss
people." - Eleanor Roosevelt

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2 hours ago, Mid said:
On 3/11/2021 at 8:52 AM, Dog said:

Who's full of shit?

 

FFS, how many times does he need to be told?

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On 3/19/2021 at 7:41 PM, jerseyguy said:

No one wants to be in Arkansas

I'm thinking that the good Senator sees his base a bit more broadly than just his state. He wants to be the leader of the Dixiecrats, not just in Arkansas. 

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On 3/19/2021 at 7:58 PM, SloopJonB said:

Has Arkansas ever done anything other than Bill Clinton?

Naked coeds from university of arkansas

It says Nebraska on the photo, but Google says it's Arkansas.

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13 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Naked coeds from university of arkansas

It says Nebraska on the photo, but Google says it's Arkansas.

Is there a difference?

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On 3/20/2021 at 2:04 PM, AJ Oliver said:

The fact that our local right wing is completely unable to discuss any

element of HB 1 . . . 

Did you really mean H.R. 1?

What is there to discuss? It is a (D) wishlist to insure that no other party will win a federal election again. It isn't surprising that the echo chamber has their lips firmly on the asses of those who pushed it.

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3 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Did you really mean H.R. 1?

What is there to discuss? It is a (D) wishlist to insure that no other party will win a federal election again. It isn't surprising that the echo chamber has their lips firmly on the asses of those who pushed it.

Have I told you to to fuck off recently?  If not...

 

Fuck off

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3 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Did you really mean H.R. 1?

What is there to discuss? It is a (D) wishlist to insure that no other party will win a federal election again. It isn't surprising that the echo chamber has their lips firmly on the asses of those who pushed it.

Cause it ain't 1 dollar, 1 vote you mean?

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7 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Did you really mean H.R. 1?

What is there to discuss? It is a (D) wishlist to insure that no other party will win a federal election again. It isn't surprising that the echo chamber has their lips firmly on the asses of those who pushed it.

Have I told you to to fuck off recently?  If not...

 

Fuck off

Here's a little added emphasis Cap.

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10 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

Did you really mean H.R. 1?

What is there to discuss? It is a (D) wishlist to insure that no other party will win a federal election again. It isn't surprising that the echo chamber has their lips firmly on the asses of those who pushed it.

This reeks of those days when folks opposed President Obama, claiming they opposed his policies.  When asked "Which policies?", they fell silent.

Take a moment and explain, specifically, to which points you object, and why.  I am seriously interested in what HR1 provides to which you are opposed?

Voting Rights?

Election Security?

Campaign Finance Reform?

Ethics?

DC Statehood?

Gerrymandering?

Number of Federal Election Commissioners?

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He only objects to the "D"

And that's enough.

He's right though - without all their cheating the R's would never win another election.

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3 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

This reeks of those days when folks opposed President Obama, claiming they opposed his policies.  When asked "Which policies?", they fell silent.

Take a moment and explain, specifically, to which points you object, and why.  I am seriously interested in what HR1 provides to which you are opposed?

Voting Rights?

Election Security?

Campaign Finance Reform?

Ethics?

DC Statehood?

Gerrymandering?

Number of Federal Election Commissioners?

Rub roh. A question on the merits. We all know where this is going.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, bpm57 said:

What is there to discuss? It is a (D) wishlist to insure that no other party will win a federal election again. It isn't surprising that the echo chamber has their lips firmly on the asses of those who pushed it.

Yes, it is entirely possible that the R party will never win a federal election again. That is how democracy is supposed to work: The minority of voters have the minority role of governance. However rest assured that team D cannot ever exist as one party. D will tear itself apart because it is just what progressives do. You regressive voters will inherit the Biden-Manchin wing of the party and be quite happy (except for adjusting to the fact-based paradigm, perhaps).

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4 minutes ago, El Borracho said:

Yes, it is entirely possible that the R party will never win a federal election again. That is how democracy is supposed to work: The minority of voters have the minority role of governance. However rest assured that team D cannot ever exist as one party. D will tear itself apart because it is just what progressives do. You regressive voters will inherit the Biden-Manchin wing of the party and be quite happy (except for adjusting to the fact-based paradigm, perhaps).

Facts? Facts are for Democrats.

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Well, the Reich is strangely silent on the details of HB 1 (sic) 

Are they in favor of dark money?  gerrymandering ? auditable paper trails for ballots ?  

Which of those awful things skeers them the most ?? 

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13 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Well, the Reich is strangely silent on the details of HB 1 (sic) 

Are they in favor of dark money?  gerrymandering ? auditable paper trails for ballots ?  

Which of those awful things skeers them the most ?? 

Democracy.

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8 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Well, the Reich is strangely silent on the details of HB 1 (sic) 

Are they in favor of dark money?  gerrymandering ? auditable paper trails for ballots ?  

Which of those awful things skeers them the most ?? 

Actual people actually voting.... that'd be a disaster!

- DSK

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Bumping this, so @bpm57 doesn't miss it.  Maybe one of the other Elk wanna take a crack at it?

15 hours ago, Bus Driver said:
15 hours ago, bpm57 said:

Did you really mean H.R. 1?

What is there to discuss? It is a (D) wishlist to insure that no other party will win a federal election again. It isn't surprising that the echo chamber has their lips firmly on the asses of those who pushed it.

This reeks of those days when folks opposed President Obama, claiming they opposed his policies.  When asked "Which policies?", they fell silent.

Take a moment and explain, specifically, to which points you object, and why.  I am seriously interested in what HR1 provides to which you are opposed?

Voting Rights?

Election Security?

Campaign Finance Reform?

Ethics?

DC Statehood?

Gerrymandering?

Number of Federal Election Commissioners?

 

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