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49 minutes ago, jzk said:

The system for which I advocate, capitalism, would provide the most for the public at large.  How fitting that you describe the enemy as "overlords" and then advocate a system of "overlords" to watch over you.  

You are one confused wanna-be propagandist. Are you saying that Democracy(a political system) is incompatible with capitalism(an economic system)? You sure seem to be. 
 

 

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Just now, Raz'r said:

You are one confused wanna-be propagandist.

Why are you complimenting him?

He's just a fool and an ignorant zealot.

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1 minute ago, Raz'r said:

You are one confused wanna-be propagandist. Are you saying that Democracy(a political system) is incompatible with capitalism(an economic system)? You sure seem to be. 
 

 

Certainly pure democracy is.  Is that what you advocate?

Some things simply can't be left to a vote.   Otherwise, minorities would have no rights.

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5 minutes ago, jzk said:

Certainly pure democracy is.  Is that what you advocate?

Some things simply can't be left to a vote.   Otherwise, minorities would have no rights.

And what would these things be, for which you have superior knowledge? This could be interesting. 

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Just now, Raz'r said:

And what would these things be, for which you have superior knowledge? This could be interesting. 

Human rights.  

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8 minutes ago, jzk said:

Exactly right.  Businesses pay for your skill, not because they are promoting equality, but because it is worth it.

How very Republican of you: A person without marketable skills, with no value to the capitalists, and finding themselves without inheritance, wealth or property can just go fuck themselves. Like the sick children in hospital. The elderly. The mothers with children. I know, like you wrote, I'm exactly right. Thanks for playing.

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2 minutes ago, El Borracho said:

How very Republican of you: A person without marketable skills, with no value to the capitalists, and finding themselves without inheritance, wealth or property can just go fuck themselves. Like the sick children in hospital. The elderly. The mothers with children. I know, like you wrote, I'm exactly right. Thanks for playing.

What that person can go do is get a job and learn a skill. 

In a free society, would you allow a child to starve? 

Why do you think the only solution to taking care of starving children or retards such as yourself is one of government force?

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11 minutes ago, jzk said:

Human rights.  

Like the right to a living wage? Shelter and healthcare? Those rights?

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Like the right to a living wage? Shelter and healthcare? Those rights?

No.  Those are not rights.  Those things require work and effort by other people.  Forcing other people to do stuff for you is slavery.  

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3 minutes ago, jzk said:

What that person can go do is get a job and learn a skill. 

How very Republican of you: "...get a job and learn a skill."  When your capitalist overlords abolish the public education system people will need to do just that. The uneducated and hungry masses will beg the capitalist overlords to learn 'em how to pack cartons or work in the rare earth mines. If they work themselves up to an actual pay packet they will be able to shop at the company store. Isn't there a 100 year old novel about that glorious (and very profitable) historic period you MAGA types yearn for?

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1 minute ago, El Borracho said:

How very Republican of you: "...get a job and learn a skill."  When your capitalist overlords abolish the public education system people will need to do just that. The uneducated and hungry masses will beg the capitalist overlords to learn 'em how to pack cartons or work in the rare earth mines. If they work themselves up to an actual pay packet they will be able to shop at the company store. Isn't there a 100 year old novel about that glorious (and very profitable) historic period you MAGA types yearn for?

All sorts of ways for ordinary people to learn skills.  I do realize that retards such as yourself are at a gross disadvantage, but I trust that society will not let you starve regardless.

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4 minutes ago, jzk said:

All sorts of ways for ordinary people to learn skills.  I do realize that retards such as yourself are at a gross disadvantage, but I trust that society will not let you starve regardless.

How very Republican of you: Misinformed. I'm on the SSA dole. Not starving by any means.

How very Republican of you: Carelessly displaying bigotry against people you perceive as weaker or of lesser intelligence. Please call me a drunk or a fool or a socialist rather than a retard.

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2 hours ago, El Borracho said:

How very Republican of you: Misinformed. I'm on the SSA dole. Not starving by any means.

How very Republican of you: Carelessly displaying bigotry against people you perceive as weaker or of lesser intelligence. Please call me a drunk or a fool or a socialist rather than a retard.

How about clown?

JerKZ is (or at least was) big on clown.

He sure isn't big on understanding irony though.

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6 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

How about clown?

JerKZ is (or at least was) big on clown.

He sure isn't big on understanding irony though.

Yeah, clown works for me. JerkZ's ideas, outlook and rants are so extraordinarily pitch perfect for a contemporary Republican MAGA acolyte. Jiz-K so hates everything about the modern progressive world that one might think them the archetype Trumpaloo.

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5 hours ago, jzk said:

The market punishes the bigot.  

 

How very Republican of you: Marketing equality to the highest bidder.

 

:lol: I guess that's why bigotry faded away all those years ago.

JerKZ gives new meaning to mindless zealotry.

FIFY

In order to believe what JZK pretends to believe, one must be utterly devoid of any facts and any ability to observe reality, and any ability to use reason to evaluate the first two

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19 hours ago, jzk said:

No.  Those are not rights.  Those things require work and effort by other people.  Forcing other people to do stuff for you is slavery.  

Which is your opinion, or democracy in action. Which you say you don’t believe in.

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14 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

FIFY

In order to believe what JZK pretends to believe, one must be utterly devoid of any facts and any ability to observe reality, and any ability to use reason to evaluate the first two

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In other words a moronic zealot.

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

In other words a moronic zealot.

He seems to ascribe to the philosophy of “natural rights” like Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness, ignoring the fact that it is democracy that acquired those rights and now defend them. He’s quite ignorant.

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What to do with Joe Manchin, Republican Democrat?

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Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, a key moderate Democrat, on Wednesday reaffirmed his vow to protect the filibuster in the evenly divided Senate and suggested reluctance to his party repeatedly using a fast-track budget process to advance legislation without Republican votes.

Manchin has long been one of the most stalwart defenders of the 60-vote threshold needed to end debate in the upper chamber, even as it threatens to derail key elements of President Joe Biden’s agenda. Despite previously toying with possible reforms to the procedural hurdle, he has repeatedly swatted away queries about what could drive him to vote to outright abolish the filibuster, even as Democrats have gamed out various scenarios in which he might relent.

In an opinion piece published in The Washington Post, Manchin vowed that there was “no circumstance in which I will vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster,” and he urged party leaders to compromise on legislation instead of trying to work around Republican opposition. Ten Republicans are currently needed to join all Democrats in a 50-50 Senate to pass major pieces of legislation through the regular process.

The comments took on added significance after a key Senate official on Monday issued guidance that could allow Democrats to pursue the fast-track budget reconciliation process at least one more time before the end of the fiscal year Sept. 30, after they used it to pass Biden’s nearly $1.9 trillion pandemic relief law without any Republican votes.

“We will not solve our nation’s problems in one Congress if we seek only partisan solutions,” Manchin wrote. “Instead of fixating on eliminating the filibuster or shortcutting the legislative process through budget reconciliation, it is time we do our jobs.”

Pressure has mounted for Democrats to further push the boundaries of what a majority party can do unilaterally when in control of both chambers of Congress and the White House, in order to deliver on a series of campaign promises. While Democrats do not yet have the votes to abolish the filibuster, they have explored other avenues to ensure Biden’s agenda becomes law.

In recent days, that has included expanding the frequency of reconciliation, which allows certain budgetary legislation to clear both chambers on a simple majority vote. While Elizabeth MacDonough, the Senate parliamentarian, appears to have agreed with the Democratic argument that they can use the process multiple times in one fiscal year, it remains unclear how and when they might employ those possible opportunities, and for what.

While Manchin did not outright refuse to support another use of the fast-track reconciliation process, he challenged both parties to work together and compromise on critical pieces of legislation, including infrastructure and tax changes. Any use of reconciliation would require Manchin — and virtually every congressional Democrat — to remain united behind the legislation.

“Senate Democrats must avoid the temptation to abandon our Republican colleagues on important national issues,” Manchin wrote. “Republicans, however, have a responsibility to stop saying no, and participate in finding real compromise with Democrats.”

While many questions remain about how Democrats could potentially use another chance at reconciliation, both Biden and congressional leaders insist they want to work with Republicans to reach compromises, particularly on the sweeping $2 trillion infrastructure proposal the White House just unveiled.

“There are things we’re working on together — some of which we’ve passed and some we will pass,” Biden said Wednesday. He suggested a group of 10 Republican senators who sought to compromise on his pandemic relief plan did not do enough to jump start negotiations with their initial $618 billion plan. “If they come forward with a plan that did the bulk of it and it was a billion — three or four, two or three — that allowed me to have pieces of all that was in there, I would have been prepared to compromise, but they didn’t,” he added.

The group of 10 Republican senators later issued a joint statement Wednesday evening arguing that the proposal had been “a first offer to the White House designed to open bipartisan negotiations” that instead had been dismissed “as wholly inadequate in order to justify its go-it-alone strategy.”

Manchin could singlehandedly kill off all of Biden's progressive plans with this "non-partisan" bullshit that the R's are taking advantage of. What is to be done?

https://news.yahoo.com/manchin-reaffirms-commitment-not-weaken-114839480.html

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6 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

What to do with Joe Manchin, Republican Democrat?

Manchin could singlehandedly kill off all of Biden's progressive plans with this "non-partisan" bullshit that the R's are taking advantage of. What is to be done?

https://news.yahoo.com/manchin-reaffirms-commitment-not-weaken-114839480.html

Build him a coal plant in a nice place.  I'm thinking there might be room for one in Alaska as the ice melts.

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9 hours ago, Raz'r said:

He seems to ascribe to the philosophy of “natural rights” like Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness, ignoring the fact that it is democracy that acquired those rights and now defend them. He’s quite ignorant.

Where did @jzkgo?

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16 hours ago, Raz'r said:

He seems to ascribe to the philosophy of “natural rights” like Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness, ignoring the fact that it is democracy that acquired those rights and now defend them. He’s quite ignorant.

It is more of a Democratic Constitutional Republic to be specific which has huge provisions to protect people from the tyranny of the majority. 

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2 hours ago, jzk said:

It is more of a Democratic Constitutional Republic to be specific which has huge provisions to protect people from the tyranny of the majority. 

Did democracy eliminate the legal basis for slavery in 1864? Is democracy in Georgia  reinstating some of it now?  Just wondering where these “rights” come from of not the people via democracy. 

what’s your alternative?

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2 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Did democracy eliminate the legal basis for slavery in 1864? Is democracy in Georgia  reinstating some of it now?  Just wondering where these “rights” come from of not the people via democracy. 

what’s your alternative?

Georgia expanded voting access.  High Five.

Democracy didn't eliminate the legal basis for slavery.  The civil war did.

My alternative is a constitutional republic.  Oh wait, that is what we have.  We just can't let the democracy part destroy it.  But it will.  People will continue voting themselves more stuff until there is no more stuff to get.

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On 4/7/2021 at 9:35 PM, Steam Flyer said:

FIFY

In order to believe what JZK pretends to believe, one must be utterly devoid of any facts and any ability to observe reality, and any ability to use reason to evaluate the first two

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Couldn't help but notice that your post is devoid of any facts or reason.  But nothing new there.

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14 minutes ago, jzk said:

Georgia expanded voting access.  High Five.

Democracy didn't eliminate the legal basis for slavery.  The civil war did.

My alternative is a constitutional republic.  Oh wait, that is what we have.  We just can't let the democracy part destroy it.  But it will.  People will continue voting themselves more stuff until there is no more stuff to get.

Such myopia. Civil war supported by democracy in the north and the south.

Georgia fucked up

constitutional republic is great at letting the powerful remain powerful. 1 acre 1 vote and all that. In your mindset, all parliamentary systems fail, yet, they seem to have mostly thriving systems. 
 

Basically, all you’ve got is more immature jingoism from your heros. Sad really.
 

 

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27 minutes ago, jzk said:

People will continue voting themselves more stuff until there is no more stuff to get.

Confused...is that a bad thing? Seems more democratic than the way your oligarch heroes get more stuff.

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3 minutes ago, El Borracho said:

Confused...is that a bad thing? Seems more democratic than the way your oligarch heroes get more stuff.

Yes, it is a very bad thing.  Even better, and more effective is to learn a desired skill and apply it.

Do you have kids?  To prepare them for life, do you educate them and teach them how to prosper?  Or do you tell them that "help is on the way" from the government.

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18 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Such myopia. Civil war supported by democracy in the north and the south.

Georgia fucked up

constitutional republic is great at letting the powerful remain powerful. 1 acre 1 vote and all that. In your mindset, all parliamentary systems fail, yet, they seem to have mostly thriving systems. 
 

Basically, all you’ve got is more immature jingoism from your heros. Sad really.
 

 

How did Georgia fuck up?

If you want to become powerful, go out in the world and thrive and become rich.  

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1 minute ago, jzk said:

How did Georgia fuck up?

If you want to become powerful, go out in the world and thrive and become rich.  

1$, 1vote. Got it.

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7 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

1$, 1vote. Got it.

In a capitalist world, power can only be gained by providing great benefit to society.

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6 minutes ago, jzk said:

Do you have kids?  To prepare them for life, do you educate them and teach them how to prosper?  Or do you tell them that "help is on the way" from the government.

Yes. I delegated their education to the school system. Following my example they learned how to find happiness.

Help from the government is a wonderful thing. I enjoy its benefits every day. Very useful. Of the people, by the people, for the people.

 

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Looks like the new catch-phrase among the Reich is that they only want to count "quality" votes. 

Jim Crow Part Deux here we come. 

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35 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

1$, 1vote. Got it.

Just a quick reminder...

On 4/1/2021 at 7:57 AM, jzk said:

You act as if you are entitled to the money that the wealthy earn.  ...

Fuck you, I got mine.

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2 hours ago, jzk said:

Georgia expanded voting access.  High Five.

Democracy didn't eliminate the legal basis for slavery.  The civil war did.

My alternative is a constitutional republic.  Oh wait, that is what we have.  We just can't let the democracy part destroy it.  But it will.  People will continue voting themselves more stuff until there is no more stuff to get.

The problem is not "people voting themselves more stuff."

In fact, Republicans have a HUGE problem with people voting in their own self-interest, it seems to be the Republican theory that voters should vote Republican, period, no matter how many needless wars Republicans start or how many pandemics they ignore or how many times they let short-sighted con men crash the economy.

Do you have a catchy slogan for how a republic is destroyed by the mega-wealthy using lobbyists to strangle the country?

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3 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

The problem is not "people voting themselves more stuff."

In fact, Republicans have a HUGE problem with people voting in their own self-interest, it seems to be the Republican theory that voters should vote Republican, period, no matter how many needless wars Republicans start or how many pandemics they ignore or how many times they let short-sighted con men crash the economy.

Do you have a catchy slogan for how a republic is destroyed by the mega-wealthy using lobbyists to strangle the country?

- DSK

Republicans and Democrats are just two shades of the same color.  

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7 minutes ago, jzk said:

Republicans and Democrats are just two shades of the same color.  

Not at all.

The last Republican President to win a war was Abraham Lincoln

The last Republican President to START a war was the one before the former guy, should be well within even your limited memory. And he started 2

But wait, there's more!!

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19 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Do you have a catchy slogan for how a republic is destroyed by the mega-wealthy using lobbyists to strangle the country?

 

15 minutes ago, jzk said:

Republicans and Democrats are just two shades of the same color.  

Hahaha. Perfect slogan. Deflection. Right from the weasel playbook. "Everybody does it."

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1 minute ago, El Borracho said:
18 minutes ago, jzk said:

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Hahaha. Perfect slogan. Deflection. Right from the weasel playbook. "Everybody does it."

Be fair, now.

Being a deflecting weasel is one of JZK's best characteristics

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5 hours ago, jzk said:

the tyranny of the majority

Srsly??  WTF???  you know better than the majority and you get to decide what is right and wrong....  got it..  

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Going back to Plato as least, the Right has always maintained that democracy is naught but mob rule. 

But they never provide any evidence of that. Never. 

And on the contrary, ancient Athens was wrecked by the Plato-trained oligarchs, not the democracy. 

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3 minutes ago, Voyageur said:

Is Matt Gaetz expecting a loyal Trump to stick up for him?

@jzk prefers these rulers. Perfectly normal hard-working citizens who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps with no help from any government. 

Imagine one of these guys knocking at your door to say "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help." Nine truly terrifying words. Hide the children.

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El Buttholio, you probably don't have any children. If you had a daughter, would you let either of these fine men anywhere near her? The whole Q thing is making more sense everyday. Project and deflect.

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14 minutes ago, El Borracho said:

@jzk prefers these rulers. Perfectly normal hard-working citizens who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps with no help from any government. 

Imagine one of these guys knocking at your door to say "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help." Nine truly terrifying words. Hide the children.

Now you are just lying.  I don't need any "rulers."

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4 minutes ago, jzk said:

 I don't need any "rulers."

I observe that you have zero evidence that democracy devolves into mob rule. 

And that makes you a tool of the oligarchs. 

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3 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

I observe that you have zero evidence that democracy devolves into mob rule. 

And that makes you a tool of the oligarchs. 

You tried to make a case for something.  No one engaged you.  And you think that makes you correct about something?

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1 minute ago, jzk said:

You tried to make a case for something.  No one engaged you. 

You, not me, made a statement about how democracy works - or does not work. 

I merely corrected your totally unsupported assertion. 

And I'll do it again too, snowflake. 

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28 minutes ago, El Borracho said:

@jzk prefers these rulers. Perfectly normal hard-working citizens who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps with no help from any government. 

Imagine one of these guys knocking at your door to say "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help." Nine truly terrifying words. Hide the children.

Yep, they earned their money the old fashioned way. They inherited it.

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2 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

You, not me, made a statement about how democracy works - or does not work. 

I merely corrected your totally unsupported assertion. 

And I'll do it again too, snowflake. 

I suspect it is not that uncommon that you try to make a case for something, but it is so bad that no one engages that case.  

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7 hours ago, jzk said:

I suspect it is not that uncommon that you try to make a case for something, but it is so bad that no one engages that case.  

Are you totally unable to defend the claim that you yourself wrote  . . 

that democracy produces a mob rule that oppresses the rich ?? 

It is, after all, the cornerstone of your ideology - such as it is. 

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16 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Are you totally unable to defend the claim that you yourself wrote  . . 

that democracy produces a mob rule that oppresses the rich ?? 

It is, after all, the cornerstone of your ideology - such as it is. 

Crazy ain’t it? 250 years of American democracy and concentration of income and wealth greater than any time since the robber barons. And poor little jerkie boy thinks the rich are being robbed.

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10 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Going back to Plato as least, the Right has always maintained that democracy is naught but mob rule. 

But they never provide any evidence of that. Never. 

And on the contrary, ancient Athens was wrecked by the Plato-trained oligarchs, not the democracy. 

I never thought about it but yeah, Plato is pretty weak on evidence. (Well, footnotes weren't thing back then.) Brilliant but unfair. Compare his Gorgias to the writer of the Encomium of Helen. Sometimes you wonder who the sophist was.

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2 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

I never thought about it but yeah, Plato is pretty weak on evidence. (Well, footnotes weren't thing back then.) Brilliant but unfair. Compare his Gorgias to the writer of the Encomium of Helen. Sometimes you wonder who the sophist was.

Apparently, Aristotle collected the constitutions and info on over 150 ancient Greek city states, that are now gone. 

They had a huge variety of political arrangements. 

A great loss. 

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On 4/9/2021 at 11:20 AM, jzk said:

In a capitalist world, power can only be gained by providing great benefit to society.

Such total bullshit. 

Are you saying that lobbyists only work for good companies, and politicians cannot be corrupted?

Are you arguing that monopolies deserve the power they use to crush competitors and scam artists aren’t to be found in commerce?

What a naive fool you are. So trusting, urging we remove all defenses against the predators in law, in healthcare, policing, business, and in politics.

Grow up.

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Such total bullshit. 

Are you saying that lobbyists only work for good companies, and politicians cannot be corrupted?

Are you arguing that monopolies deserve the power they use to crush competitors and scam artists aren’t to be found in commerce?

What a naive fool you are. So trusting, urging we remove all defenses against the predators in law, in business, and in politics.

In a capitalist society, politicians don't have the power to interfere with business, so there is no point in bribing them.

There are no monopolies in a capitalist society.

What do you mean by a "predator" in business?  Are you saying that there are businesses whos employees hide in the bushes, and then when you walk by, they jump out and force you to do business with them?

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35 minutes ago, jzk said:

In a capitalist society, politicians don't have the power to interfere with business, so there is no point in bribing them.

...    ...

You mean, the gov't cannot "interfere" by doing stuff like enforcing contracts?

Or perhaps "interfere" by preventing businesses from poisoning the air or water, or perhaps even making sure that no business neglects to provide safety equipment for it's employees with dangerous jobs?

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2 hours ago, jzk said:

In a capitalist society, politicians don't have the power to interfere with business, so there is no point in bribing them.

There are no monopolies in a capitalist society.

What do you mean by a "predator" in business?  Are you saying that there are businesses whos employees hide in the bushes, and then when you walk by, they jump out and force you to do business with them?

whatever. i got it wrong. you're not naive; you believe you are idealistic, but are in fact just an addled idiot. 

go find your utopia and smoke it, son. good news is, it's legal in more states every year.

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2 hours ago, jzk said:

 

There are no monopolies in a capitalist society.

 

That is about the stupidest thing you've ever posted.

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2 hours ago, Raz'r said:

That is about the stupidest thing you've ever posted.

Prove it.

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8 hours ago, Raz'r said:
11 hours ago, jzk said:

There are no monopolies in a capitalist society.

 

That is about the stupidest thing you've ever posted.

It's quite a long list, I haven't been keeping track

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24 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

The Party of grifters and kooks. New York’s finest worked his magic. It’s definitely Trump’s party. 


https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/547615-juan-williams-the-gop-is-now-the-party-of-grifters-and-kooks

 

Nailed it, IMHO

(from the link above) "The right-wing media that Boehner describes as controlling the GOP give Republicans no incentive to work with Biden and applauds them every time they obstruct him.

So, why bother wasting time and energy and political capital trying to reason with them when Biden already knows the outcome?"

I guess it reduces the sting of being charged with racism, if they obstruct Biden 110% as much as they obstructed Obama. I haven't heard McConnell declare his willingness to hurt the USA to keep Biden to one term, yet.

- DSK

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44 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

The Party of grifters and kooks. New York’s finest worked his magic. It’s definitely Trump’s party. 


https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/547615-juan-williams-the-gop-is-now-the-party-of-grifters-and-kooks

 

Wait, does Juan want to stop taking cash from Fox? Didn’t think so.

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45 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Nailed it, IMHO

(from the link above) "The right-wing media that Boehner describes as controlling the GOP give Republicans no incentive to work with Biden and applauds them every time they obstruct him.

So, why bother wasting time and energy and political capital trying to reason with them when Biden already knows the outcome?"

I guess it reduces the sting of being charged with racism, if they obstruct Biden 110% as much as they obstructed Obama. I haven't heard McConnell declare his willingness to hurt the USA to keep Biden to one term, yet.

- DSK

And unfortunately, they are being showed to be extremely successful at fund raising by doing nothing but obstruction and talking to the nut jobs.  Fake news had a tally of Gaetz, Jordan and Greene's fund raising success this morning.  Very impressive, especially considering the majority of it probably comes from small time donors and not the corporate machine.

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11 hours ago, phillysailor said:

whatever. i got it wrong. you're not naive; you believe you are idealistic, but are in fact just an addled idiot. 

go find your utopia and smoke it, son. good news is, it's legal in more states every year.

Can you cite an example of a monopoly in a capitalist system?

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4 hours ago, jzk said:

Can you cite an example of a monopoly in a capitalist system?

Go play college sophomore with someone else. I'm not interested in your pedagogy. We have an actual country with real people who need policy solutions. You're not smart enough or worldly enough to provide either.

Biden and the Democrats are at least trying. I'm sure you'd prefer to delay, distract or otherwise deny America valuable leadership, but you guys lost the vote and have proven unable to govern and, frankly, trying your best to be ungovernable. 

Whatever. There seems to be actual penalties for formerly acceptable Republican behavior these days, be it racist voting laws in Georgia or crony politics and prostituting teens in Florida. It also has become clear that America's biggest impediment to herd immunity is white male conservatives refusing to get the vaccine. 

Why don't you sort out your own lack of vision and come back when you've got some ideas which are at least half baked. Until you accept that rich conservatives bear substantial responsibility for fucking up our country and its economy you're relegated to the kids table with your silly idealistic economic theories.

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2 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Go play college sophomore with someone else. I'm not interested in your pedagogy. We have an actual country with real people who need policy solutions. You're not smart enough or worldly enough to provide either.

Biden and the Democrats are at least trying. I'm sure you'd prefer to delay, distract or otherwise deny America valuable leadership, but you guys lost the vote and have proven unable to govern and, frankly, trying your best to be ungovernable. 

Whatever. There seems to be actual penalties for formerly acceptable Republican behavior these days, be it racist voting laws in Georgia or crony politics and prostituting teens in Florida. It also has become clear that America's biggest impediment to herd immunity is white male conservatives refusing to get the vaccine. 

Why don't you sort out your own lack of vision and come back when you've got some ideas which are at least half baked. Until you accept that rich conservatives bear substantial responsibility for fucking up our country and its economy you're relegated to the kids table with your silly idealistic economic theories.

I noticed that you couldn't cite even one monopoly.

Next up, can you explain how Georgia voting laws are racist? 

Perhaps contrast them to the less racist Colorado voting laws?

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1 hour ago, jzk said:

I noticed that you couldn't cite even one monopoly.

Next up, can you explain how Georgia voting laws are racist? 

Perhaps contrast them to the less racist Colorado voting laws?

Perhaps you can name a country with pure capitalism. Then we could perhaps identify a monopoly therein.

Your assumption that America is capitalist is cute. Since we grew beyond an agrarian economy supported by slave labor we’ve always been a mixed capitalist/socialist economy, and always will be. 

Go back to Ayn Rand bedtime stories. The real world is too complicated for you. 

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2 hours ago, phillysailor said:

Perhaps you can name a country with pure capitalism. Then we could perhaps identify a monopoly therein.

Your assumption that America is capitalist is cute. Since we grew beyond an agrarian economy supported by slave labor we’ve always been a mixed capitalist/socialist economy, and always will be. 

Go back to Ayn Rand bedtime stories. The real world is too complicated for you. 

Why do you think I made any such assumption?  I said in a capitalist system, a monopoly is impossible.  A monopoly can only exist if it is supported by the state.  Can you cite an example of a monopoly that wasn't supported by the state? 

 

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53 minutes ago, jzk said:

Why do you think I made any such assumption?  I said in a capitalist system, a monopoly is impossible.  A monopoly can only exist if it is supported by the state.  Can you cite an example of a monopoly that wasn't supported by the state? 

All territories are governed by "states", and all territories have monopolies/oligopolies 

Except maybe Somalia 

where there are also monopolies 

Libertarian/Randians are wrong on the basic assumptions they make. 

And yet they have wielded powerful influence on modern capitalism 

to the demonstrable detriment of us all 

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On 4/8/2021 at 2:01 PM, Raz'r said:

He seems to ascribe to the philosophy of “natural rights” like Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness, ignoring the fact that it is democracy that acquired those rights and now defend them. He’s quite ignorant.

Representative republic, a concept beyond the appreciation of a common idiot.

 

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1 hour ago, warbird said:

Representative republic, a concept beyond the appreciation of a common idiot.

 

Yeah, those common idiots think it's the same thing as democracy.

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6 hours ago, warbird said:

Representative republic, a concept beyond the appreciation of a common idiot.

 

Glad you agree

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10 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

All territories are governed by "states", and all territories have monopolies/oligopolies 

Except maybe Somalia 

where there are also monopolies 

Libertarian/Randians are wrong on the basic assumptions they make. 

And yet they have wielded powerful influence on modern capitalism 

to the demonstrable detriment of us all 

Were you able to cite a single monopoly other than that which is either the state itself or supported by the state?

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50 minutes ago, jzk said:

Were you able to cite a single monopoly other than that which is either the state itself or supported by the state?

Why would anyone play your or Tom’s “purity of thought” games?

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46 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Why would anyone play your or Tom’s “purity of thought” games?

They're desperate for someone to pay attention to them.

Maybe they weren't hugged enough as children.

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41 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Why would anyone play your or Tom’s “purity of thought” games?

Why would anyone not have them on ignore?

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2 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Why would anyone not have them on ignore?

To be honest, the "Ignore" feature is overused, IMHO.  I prefer to reserve that for the folks who make it nasty in a personal way.  I have the ability to scroll by the bullshit.  But, I do want to be able to see the bullshit being posted.  To pretend folks don't hold bullshit positions leads one to believe bullshit positions are being put forth.

Better to know what the whackadoodles are saying.

Sometimes, I succumb to the temptation to engage with them.  That usually made clear to be a waste of time.

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Just now, Bus Driver said:

To be honest, the "Ignore" feature is overused, IMHO.  I prefer to reserve that for the folks who make it nasty in a personal way.  I have the ability to scroll by the bullshit.  But, I do want to be able to see the bullshit being posted.  To pretend folks don't hold bullshit positions leads one to believe bullshit positions are being put forth.

Better to know what the whackadoodles are saying.

Sometimes, I succumb to the temptation to engage with them.  That usually made clear to be a waste of time.

I'm too weak for that - when I read moronic drivel I have an irresistible need to call it such.

That's why I get irritated by people quoting the mega-fools like JerKZ, The Mutt etc.

I simply can't leave it alone.

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16 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Why would anyone not have them on ignore?

Because Tom occasionally posts interesting stuff. An article recently on how civil forfeiture is eroding faith in police and Govt was well worth reading IMO.

And he's generally polite. Irritating and a monomaniac, but polite.

JZK is just a fuckwit.

FKT

 

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